Why Germany and Poland Have Fallen Out (again)
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Despite similar political leanings and a long history between Tusk and Scholz, tensions are rising between Germany and Poland over Nordstream and Ukraine. So in this video, we'll explore these deteriorating relations and what this means for Europe.
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Sorry had to laugh really hard at "Two centrist dad figures" đ Scholz is the kind of dad that would just sit quietly in his corner and read a book, never engaging with his family.
That sounds like me! đ
He wouldn't even remember that he has a family to begin with đ
Honestly these comparisons are just weird. You shouldn't think of politicians that way.
@@aabbccdd4710 But thats just how he is. A complete moron who is too incompetent to lead our Country.
And Tusk is kind of dad that would go to other familly and give money, protection and affection to the other family not his own
Here in Poland, a lot of Law and Justice voters believe that Tusk is a German puppet, so it would be kinda funny to see their reaction to a video like this.
They would probably say that he's doing this whole thing as a distraction or something...
he is and he is not even hiding it
Well, I can't blame them. The way he acts with Odra and other polish projects. Adding it to infamous "why airport in Poland when we have one at Berlin" of prominent party figures doesn't make a good look
â@@queenxx1690 there's no hope for you
@@bambina5604 it's a bot
As a Pole, calling this a divide is overreacting. Our leaders tend to play the anti-german card to get some populist points domestically, business as usual.
Lol. Poland and Germany are two different countries with different interests and priorities. Do you really think that every divide between Poland and Germany is some cynical vote-gathering plot?
@@Staszk01 no, but it's nothing new
Better than pro-Russian bootlicking like Orban and Fico. Which is disgusting.
@@Staszk01 oczywiĆcie. Niemcy systenatycznie osÂŁabiajÄ PolskÄ
Most stupid comment ever.
If there are any polish people here I would like to state that most Germans really like your country and your people and that there is no bad feeling whatsoever. Everyone is super impressed by your gorgeous cities and we can only urge you to not make our stupid mistakes.
As a Pole - I appreciate your comment. What I don't understand however are decisions by successive German governments to insist on supply of gas from Russia as a source of energy. It looks like sabotaging your own country - why, oh why did you shut down your nuclear power plants and willingly walked into servitude by being dependent on Russian gas, which is already the most expensive source of energy - by your own statistical bureau...
And i find German men the most physically attractive in the world.
Cheers from Warsaw.
Polish women for German men
@@SveGuacamole weĆș p0lko siÄ zlituj i schowaj swojÄ chcicÄ, to jest powaĆŒny temat!
came here to say something similar. as a german i feel a relatively strong connection to poland as my childhood friends were mostly polish.
In Poland people do not talk about the Nazi occupation but about the German occupation. My mother's house was bombed by German planes with the same black cross that Luftwaffe planes have today and my uncle was murdered by the Germans.
Bombed!! So was our house in London and we lost a family soldier to the war; who's grave is in France. But we have problem when giving the German peoples the blame - because it was us, that declared war on the Nazis. Prior to WW2, Poland was no lesser a dictatorship than Germany.
â@@michaelmayo3127
The German people during the Weimar Republic's democratic elections gave their popular support to that infamous unemployed Austrian artist and allowed Germany's judiciary to be subverted.
The German people are responsible for what that Austrian artist did in collusion with that Georgian-born bank robber. They schemed to invade Poland simultaneously and split the spoil of war among themselves.
The British Empire rightfully declared war upon Nazi Germany's aggression against Poland. There was a defense treaty between Great Britain and Poland so Great Britain's declaring war upon any and all invaders of Poland was justified.
@@michaelmayo3127 Yes, the bombing of 8 September 1939 - the first bombing of JanĂłw Lubelski. Although Germany did not declare war on Poland, it destroyed between 1939 and 1945 and robbed it of all its wealth, including thousands of works of art and libraries, not to mention the loss of millions of lives. As for Great Britain, there is much to be said for it, but it certainly did not fulfil the mutual aid treaty of 1939, leaving Poland to be preyed upon by the Germans and the Soviets, and talk of a lack of democracy in Poland in 1939, which I do not deny, is just a convenient excuse. I also have my doubts that fascist Germany 39 can be seen in the same optics as Poland. After all, it was not Poland that was the source of sick racist imperial ideas that assumed the existence of superior and inferior nations and the necessity of gaining living space for the superior ones.
@@michaelmayo3127bull crap
â@@michaelmayo3127hogwash, learn history, you ignorant
Lack of strategic wisdom by Scholz, not only in relation to Poland but also in relation to the other major neighbour, France.
Not to mention his failure to re-open all those power plants that Merkel shut down.
German greed led to the migration crisis and war in Ukraine. Germans cannot be trusted
The problem isn't really Scholz, Germany has an immensely stupid, relatively recent amendment to the constitution that severely limits how much debt the federal government is allowed to incur. Scholz, the socdem party and the Green party actually hate that constitutional debt limit because they want to invest federally into climate change related future technology and infrastructure. It's the cLaSSiCaL LiBeRaL party, including the finance minister, and the Christian conservative parties who keep holding on to that constitutional debt limit to the detriment of the country. More Ukraine funding (and let's be clear about something, Germany has already given *a lot* to Ukraine) is in conflict with that.
As it's usually the case, the situation is more complex that a couple minutes in a youtube video can tell you.
Might be, but next year there will be elections and it will be a conservative outcome. The migrant party is over and Germany will not only close its borders. Merz already stated, that he will call out an state of emergency if the EU acts on it, since then they are powerless. And lets be honest, countries are mad germany doesnt want their migrants.. okay
Scholz international politics are an embarrassment. Which is even more surprising if you consider that only a small part of his own party have a different view on international politics. You don't have any other political field with so much common ground between his party and his coalition partners. But he still gets nothing done.
the greens and the FDP? common ground?are you joking?
True. I used to be a member of the greens myself, but after the party conference in MĂŒnster, I left.
I have to say our foreign policy is an embarrassment. We lost our last good foreign politicians when Ströbele did not campaign again & Beck was voted out in Oberhausen(where I also was).
Sometimes I am asking myself how different my life would be if I had stayed and whether I, the youngest delegate not from the green youth, should have stayed, gotten myself elected into the federal diet & influenced foreign policy of germany right now. As it stands, I think I made the right call.
@@historyfactsshorts22 They're both heavily pro-Ukraine and pro-military-aid-to-Ukraine. (At least in terms of the Greens, our minister for foreign affairs, Baerbock, is very much in favour of sending weaponry to Ukraine)
â@@scifino1 and that's about all they have incommon. FDP have been arguing with the Greens so much that's its basically a joke in Germany
@@historyfactsshorts22 that's exactly his point: Those two parties have little to no common ground - Ukraine is one such exception.
Scholz is disliked by nearly all his neighbours.
scholz is disliked by every german aswell
.......
he is just not hated by anybody
Thats no wonder as he isnt shelling out as much money to them as eg Kohl was doing. Unfortunately we only seem to be liked when we're paying.
@@yves2932 It is more because he shelling Russia, when being extremely naive about geopolitics.
His also disliked in germany
Most important thing was ommited here: Poland feels threatened by Russia, and Germany seems to seek way to re-establish business relations with Russia.
Exactly! That is the underlying point!
@@izabelaizabela5922 remember....when it comes to poland,germany and russia ale
ways agree
Germany is led by idiots. And I am not only talking about out current government. I am talking about all the parties from far left to far right. Most of them are opportunists just seeking benefits for themselves by entering politics, not having the people's best interest at heart. It starts at simple economic stuff like debt policies, where we still have people believing that having debt is a bad thing. It's quite insane when you think about it.
Yes, yes indeed, but what can you expect when being a politician is a career that makes you a millionaire for pretending to do something.
Unfortunately this is true. And the fact they are deep inside the EU means they can stay oblivious to the threats and still do fine is absolutely infuriating.
@@leonkautz8151 Be an actor insteadđ
In Poland, ironically, everyone cheered the "new deal" for Bundeswehr thinking that once Germany and Poland get their armies together, the Weimar Triangle will make the EU new military superpower. The disappointment is immesurable, I keep reading German comments here and there and it seems that Germany is led by a flock of headless chickens.
they are would like to be Americans
Helping living victims of ww2 is a joke 80 years later. The country was demolished and all families were affected descendants probably as well âa good gestureâ honestly made me laugh
I thought that too though was wondering if I was wrong.
Because Germany is under the rule of NEO-Bolsheviks, left-liberals. Which are destroying Europe with migrants from the inside.
that money would go straight to politicians pockets (the usual in Poland) and fraction to the victims, they do anything for a penny
they already got reparations and Germany is a completely new state with very few nazi perpetrators still alive
Is it voting year again in Poland ?!
Tusk must play tough on Germany because in the past he was accused for being too soft. At the same time there's an impression in Poland that Germany had prioritized its interests in Eastern Europe at the expense of security which resulted with Russian invasion of Ukraine. As for Nord Stream I blow up, its impossible that Polish government had something to do with this. But at the same time I am not surprised that Polish police is not much in a hurry with chasing the suspects. In general Poland wish to see responsible and serious German commitment to support the region, instead of securing its own interests and ambiguity towards Russia.
Germany has a lot problems at the moment and canât just put everything in some project just because the poles are crying in the corner. Germany is a important nation on the international stage and is responsible for a lot of things in the EU and in the world (mainly Economy and funding etc). We have a recession,have a political divide between west and east,have problems with immigrants and so much more. Tbh we as germany need to be more tough towards poland because all they are doing is complaining and slandering Germany. This is an attention seeking behavior of a nation which doesnât understand the perspective of a neighbouring nation while it could do a lot more than it is doing at the moment ( Ukraine for example). The german government should have a tougher stand towards a nation with a big mouth but without anything behind it. Because as it seems the only thing we are worth for calling us as an ally is our money.
â@@Tyler-qr7rd Wer'e not crying in the corner my funny dude. Wer'e just trying to stop you before you will stay with naked butt again. After China agression on Taiwan for example. Even more naked then after 2022.02.24 :)))) The investments did not pay off ? Blame Biden or Ukrainians because they are still alive
But don't worry about it. You are economic superpower (but somehow unable to survive a few more difficult years.... seariously ? :))). You have PROJECTS.... WOW. And if something goes wrong, US will give the equipment, eastern Europe their blood to defend country with army shooting with brooms.
You are not my ally. You would give all all your blessed MONEY for Russian and China tanks. That's what you did last 30 years.
Somehow i'm sure that majority of Germans are not braindead. All regards to them and
wishes effective medical help for you ....
honestly
Cry me a river hitlerowcuâ@@Tyler-qr7rd
@@Tyler-qr7rd â @Tyler-qr7rd Wer'e not crying in the corner my funny dude. Wer'e just trying to stop you before you will stay with naked butt again. After China agression on Taiwan for example. Even more naked then after 2022.02.24 :)))) The investments did not pay off ? Blame Biden or Ukrainians because they are still alive
But don't worry about it. You are economic superpower (but somehow unable to survive a few more difficult years.... seariously ? :))). You have PROJECTS.... WOW. And if something goes wrong, US will give the equipment, eastern Europe their blood to defend country with army shooting with brooms.
You are not my ally. You would give all all your blessed MONEY for Russian and China tanks. That's what you did last 30 years.
Somehow i'm sure that majority of Germans are not braindead. All regards to them and
wishes effective medical help for you ....
honestly
@@Tyler-qr7rd â @Tyler-qr7rd Wer'e not crying in the corner my funny dude. Wer'e just trying to stop you before you will stay with naked butt again. After China agression on Taiwan for example. Even more naked then after 2022.02.24 :)))) The investments did not pay off ? Blame Biden or Ukrainians because they are still alive
But don't worry about it. You are economic superpower (but somehow unable to survive a few more difficult years.... seariously ? :))). You have PROJECTS.... WOW. And if something goes wrong, US will give the equipment, eastern Europe their blood to defend country with army shooting with brooms.
You are not my ally. You would give all all your blessed MONEY for Russian and China tanks. That's what you did last 30 years.
Somehow i'm sure that majority of Germans are not braindead. All regards to them and
wishes effective medical help for you ....
honestly
Poland: is Germany's second largest trade partner after China, secures its borders at enormous cost to stop countless migrants who want to flood Germany, build its army at even greater cost thanks to which Germany can stay demilitarized because its flank is secured, builds alternative gas lines and ports to make sure Russia cannot blackmail UE.
Germany: let's fund Putin again, lol.
Chill honey, Germany is investing but you need to understand where we started. And tbh. no offense, but the German mentality and believe is more that Americans will protect us đ
Poland isn't Germany's second largest trade partner after China.
And who pays all the Polish expenses?
Wtf are you talking about
"secures its borders at enormous cost to stop countless migrants who want to flood Germany" ... does Polish people really believe this.... in Reality Poland is ruining the Germany
As the old saying proves true time and time again:
In politics, there is no such thing as friendships. Only interests and allyships.
Sworn Enemy
Opponent
Competitor
Rival
Adversary
Foe
Nemesis
Antagonist
Dissenter
Detractor
Challenger
Contender
Critic
Opposition
Opponent with Common Ground
Frenemy
Neutral Party
Unaligned
Observer
Acquaintance
Occasional Ally
Strategic Partner
Associate
Collaborator
Partner
Ally
Trusted Ally
Strategic Ally
Close Partner
Key Ally
Coalition Partner
Friend
Strong Ally
Long-standing Ally
Trusted Friend
Brother-in-Arms
Confidant
Protector
Benefactor
Patron
Alliance Leader
The problem is in German interest is to sell poles to russians for cheap gas, controll, power, you name it. Germans are imperialist, and whatever they do is always a gamble. 1 w.w, 2 w.w and now energiewende and electric cars. Of course German plans are utopia and they always fell. And when they do - Germany is sinking, trying to take all their neighbours to the bottom, so Germany never losses because every country is in a bad shape as they are. That's why nobody likes Germans. Apart from lovely "in crime partners"- russians.
Sojusze sÄ dla sĆabych mocarstwa tylko zabierajÄ tych co im po drodze.
Sounds a bit pessimistic, surely there's much truth to it, but I think a good example to the contrary would be Polish-Hungarian relations, which, at least from my perspective as a Pole, included many non-profit-driven acts, like the military aid sent during our war with the Bolsheviks.
The Baltics are definitely friendly nations whether or not it's financially advantageous to be so.
As a polish person, I have positive feeling towards german peaple. I just dislike they politicians, the money that Scholz offered in this year to WWII victims was a joke! For all cruelty they endured it was disrespectful.
Scholtz is basically a criminal to his own people.
Edit: name of the treaty, because people do not seem to know
It is stupid to offer something to begin with. Germany signed a final peace treaty ("Treaty on the Final Settlement with Respect to Germany") and gave significant parts of its territory in favor of the Polish people. Millions of Germans left regions that are now part of Poland. This was the reparation.
@@addygreen8919 This is not historically accurate. Germany did not give anything to Poland. The new post-war reorganization of Germany and Europe has been discussed by US, Russia and UK at Yalta Conference in 1945. There Stalin demanded that the Soviets would keep the territory of eastern Poland that Russia had annexed in 1939, with Poland to be compensated for that by extending its western borders at the expense of Germany. So, please check the facts.
â@@addygreen8919poland lost land an 33.3 percent of its population this is reperation?
Well the problem is where you start. First, virtually everybody who lift in this era is dead. You normally do not sue children for their parents crimes. And second: How do you value "reparations". Germany first payed reparations to the Soviets that where supposedly shared with the Poles. Then it ceeded 20% of its land to Poland. Germany and Poland signed multiple treaties concluding that the war is over and everything is settled. And now the Poles demand reparations again. No sum of money can make up for WWII events, so if Germany pays more nothing will change. Polish PMs would still talk down Germany the same way as this is supposingly a popular strategy.
As a German, I support Poland, our government has lost its mind...
What? As a german, you have lost your mind!
@@Pioneer_DE What is your problem?
@@Pioneer_DE Wir können auch deutsch sprechen wenn du das ĂŒberhaupt kannst.
@@ben9755 Wo bitte haben die Polen recht ? Also wir sollen Reparationen bezahlen, obwohl Polen gute teile unserer gebiete nach WW2 bekommen hat und auch noch gute summen Gelder in Polen investiert wurde ? Diese Leute HASSEN uns egal was wir machen. Selbst wenn wir Reparation mal wieder zahlen wird sich das auch nicht Àndern. Beim Thema Nordstream bin ich auch eher auf Polnischer Seite, weil diese Pipeline Deutschland und der EU mehr geschadet als genutzt hat. Aber das macht den Blinden Polnischen hass auf Deutsche nicht besser.
C U C K
I will not take the rift seriously as long as Scholtz does not mention that Germany needs a corridor to KĂłnigsberg.
The second AFD gets into power you will be able to check that box don't worry
Kaiserreich will return
@@nemeczek67 Territorial claims have been settled after unification of Germany. The former German parts were never part of it.
@@Piden-l4b Territorial claims can change, given an irrational leader
@@quandangle9397as a German, I can guarantee u this will not happen. Nobody thinks like this here.
Not looking good for Belgium
Iâm Belgian & I hope they leave us tf alone if they decide to square up. Tired of getting steamrolled.
@@robinmangala3536 Do you think that someone in Poland wants to be run over by Russia and Germany again?
â@@robinmangala3536to nie od ciebie zaleĆŒy tylko od rosji chcÄ mieÄ paĆstwo rosjanie od lizbony po alaske. My i wy belgowie jesteĆmy pomiÄdzy tymi ziemiami.
Niemcy? Pamietam programy telewizyjne w zachodnich Niemcach jak udowadniali ze polski baĆagan nie odbuduje i rozbuduje ziemiÄ ktĂłre stracili w wyniku wojny Ćwiatowej. Teraz czesto sĆyszÄ ĆŒe to dziÄki uni czyli noemiec polska siÄ rozwija. Nie sĆyszymy tylko o sezonowoĆci iistnienia polski.
kek
As a german I actually really like Poland, donât know what our governments do
Well, this is kinda tricky. From one side Germans citizens like Poland. From the other site German politicians do everything to make Poland poor. But for worse, to sell Poland to russians. This will end with another war, occupation and killing polish elytes, which will make Poland poor again. Thanks to God Americans controll Germans military forces, but for how long?
Thanks. On a social level, we are very similar to each other. We have been mixing for centuries, we have very similar genes, as research shows. We like similar dishes. We listen to similar music. We have similar social sensitivity. We also like the sun, barbecue and forest. What makes us different the most are our past mistakes.
TeĆŒ nie rozumiem ,uwolnili siÄ od zaleĆŒnoĆci od rosji a chcÄ znowu siÄ uzaleĆŒniÄ.
Yes, I think that on society level it's good and will only improve. I really like to visit Germany always felt welcomed and generally very good there :)
As polish I like Germany too. I hope things will be okay.
Honestly, this sowering of relations is so overblown. The Nordstream spat will blow over and isn't that important to begin with and aid to Ukraine is still comeing from Germany. While other EU governments might want more on that front, considering the current problems with the German "Schuldenbremse" Scholz's government faces, much more financial aid is borderline impossible.
Yeah, if it's just this level of discord, it does seem like an exaggeration on things. Some level of disagreement between European nations is pretty normal, and Ukraine certainly has caused some level of split as well due to the wide ranging effects it can have for many nations.
â@@Quickshot0
The incident of German Police Officers
"dumping" illegal immigrants on Polish soil ?
@@FunnyBunny-pd5xx I have no idea what you're talking about, that certainly isn't something I recall in this video.
Beyond that how would that even work in the EU? With open borders one could walk right over again. Seems like an utterly pointless act.
It always amazes me to see how much people focus on Germany, ignoring that they are already Ukraines biggest supporter in europe, while europes 2nd biggest economy, France, pays nearly nothing. It seems like a long tradition to demand money from Germany and being agressive if they can't afford it
They are acting like whores. If the money is good, they like us. We should stop that circle and wean them off our money.
Who would have thought that openly hosting politician figures calling for "Dealing/paceing out with Russia even at the detriment of Poland" and following their word on it and other eastern allies wouldn't sit well with them.
who are u refering to? and which enacted policy are u refering to?
@@difficiliscarere9838 Germany making full gas and other projects with Russia despite it being economically bad
Germany sacrificed itâs economy for poland and the security of eastern europe. And now im listing everything eastern europe did for germany.
1.Gang violence
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â@@Koczu0 The intent behind that was to integrate Russia economically so as to prevent them from going to war.
A mistake in hindsight for sure but it could have worked if Putin valued the life and comfort of his people above his grip on power.
@@Koczu0 Cheap russian gas wasnt economically bad as such, in fact many of those deals made the economic recovery after the German Reunification possible.
However it IS bad on a political and security policy point of view. It was a calculated risk where it seemed that the benefits would outweigh the risks.
Afterall pros:
1. Cheap Energy -> benefits for Population and Industry as Energy Prices were relatively low and consistent for a FAIRLY long time (only disrupted whenever there were issues betwen Russia and Ukraine - > hence why the whole Nordstream Project was originally proposed as an inofficial commitment of Russia and Germany not to clash over eastern european affairs and to keep their economic partnership a-political)
2. Stronger Economic ties to Russia -> Market expansion for mutual economic and cultural exchange and products, hence strengthening both economies in face of Global Market Dominance of China, US and India
3. Binding Russia to Europe and the International Community at large -> you got to let the 'bad kid' play with the other children if you want them to play along and 'be nice' eventually. By ostracizing someone or something you usually only alienate them further and diminish any good will that might have existed and make them less likely to respect international laws, treaties etc.
Cons:
1. Alienating Eastern European Nations that feel threatened by Russia -> Mostly Poland, but Poland themselves have already chosen to take a more antagonistic position towards Germany, because it's an easy position to take for it's Politicians, since anti EU and Anti German policies and views are an easy sell to the public due to historical reasons. So from a german point of view there was little reason to miss out on an excellent economic opportunity in exchange for 'not worsening' already strained relations with Poland.
2. Being partially economically reliant on Russia -> Like with most partnerships and trade agreements it's obviously bad if things break down eventually, but it's an inherent risk to ANY economic agreement betwen two Parties... the only difference here is that russia has been stirring the shit-pot far more frequently in the last 10 years than it did in the 20 years prior to that.
3. Being perceived of being Pro-Russia -> Partially true and partially a detriment in foreign affairs, seeing how one can be easily perceived as Pro-Russian simply for not condeming an otherwise reliable and favourable buisness partner. But fact of the matter is: If there's an issue betwen a long-term Buisness Partner and someone you have litterally no ties to, chances are you wont be completely against your 'old buddy' even if they are in the wrong.
I'd say the Pros outweigh the Cons for the most part. However, like any gamble - sometimes you lose and a calculated risk is a risk afterall.
Here we go again
I was about to comment on this. Damned! Here we go again!
â@@swedemartyrsonswadeCan't wait for Kaliningrad to become 6 times bigger and for NATO to forget to invoke article 5 as Germany takes back its pre-ww2 territory.
Go away bot
@@willfungusman8666no ur the bot
This time the Americans are already in Germany.
It'll be real quick.
Iâm Polish and I see many Germans criticize their government in this comment section. That is your right, but I must stress that our government isnât perfect either and it seems that the fervently pro-EU rhetoric of some/many PO politicians (and from other parties) is starting to disturb the politicians themselves. For a long time, PO was a very europhile party and it still is. It often looked amazed by the concept of a more integrated EU (with a slight centrist approach). Some PO politicians were famously acting as if Poland had become just (or nearly) as wealthy as Western Europe when they got to power, even though that wasnât the case. Of course, there is a fair share of âfunnyâ politicians in every party.
All in all, i have respect for the modern German people and wish them all the best. I hope they can sort their economic woes out, just as we can start fixing our roads (lol). And I have a message for any and all still reading this comment - you can criticize the German government, but the current Polish one isnât holy either. Itâs not like weâve witnessed historical changes between Morawieckiâs and Tuskâs premierships.
Really? It is not so symmetric :)You forget that the Germans economically and strategically bred Putin, which ultimately led to the war. Fortunately, the Germans have realized this, but many German journalists and politicians (especially from East Germany, who were once connected to the STASI and collaborated with the Russian GRU) are still being bought by Russia and trying to revive such stupid ventures and ideas as Nord Stream. In this respect, the Poles have always been wise and far-sighted, and the attitude of Tusk and his government is sensible and has nothing of the idiotic and populist stubbornness of the previous team ruling Poland. Incidentally, the economic and social relations between Poland and Germany are excellent, as usual. Besides, the ties between politicians do not even slightly resemble what they were during the times of the Law and Justice team.
PO is pro-European. But it is not pro-dumb German politics.
Better do fact check. GERMANY said they will give 4billion is not the same as GERMANY gave 4 billion. They play this game since the begining of the warâŠ
As a resident of Germany I can only confirm: From the day one of this war Scholz makes promises, over and over again. promises which are mostly presented by media as facts. And believed by many Germans. At the same time his main occupation iis permanent obstruction to real measures. And half heartedly performed action if there is no way to avoid providing the promised help.
everyone does. btw, haven't heard of any new significant Polish contributions for Ukraine lately - apart from training Ukrainian soldiers.
@@embreis2257
Politico, July 8, 2024:
"Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy signed a bilateral security agreement with Poland in Warsaw on Monday - aimed at strengthening ties with one of the countryâs closest wartime allies.
Poland has already provided 44 military aid packages to Ukraine worth âŹ4 billion and has pledged to provide several more this year and into the next decade."
As you can clearly see: ignorance could be really dangerous if someone is convinced to be competent in matters he knows very little about and, what is much worse, not even made an effort to check facts up.
@@embreis2257 yeah i dont think so. Imo there is clear inkling in Germany to go BAU with Russia. A lot of PR words, we will give this and that, but behind the scenes nothing really happens. Even with Germany's own focus on arming itself. 100Billion was supposed to be put into Bundeswehr... how much of it is happening? Poland simply has vital and life threatening interest in taking care of this situation. Germany wont do anything (worth mentioning and proportional to the size of GDP) until Russian friends knock to the German border... why would they?!
@@renemagritte8237 the âŹ4bn are for the past two-and-a-half years since the war started. the number is highly doubtful and depends on the value applied to old equipment donated to Ukraine. this 'bilateral security agreement' is mostly copy&paste from all the numerous other security agreements Ukraine signed with many nations recently.
not very much of hard facts and numbers for the rest of this year or next year. put down your pink glasses and face the sober truth.
Diving instructor on small sailboat blew up Nord Stream.. I didn't know Germany have a sense of humor.
Hey, I have seen this one before!
What do you mean? This is new!
â@@KingAgniKaiReferencing the German invasion of Poland in 1939.
reddit ass comment
â@@RandomAsianGuy95 he's referencing "back to the future"
â@@RandomAsianGuy95this is nothing like back then
Its fascinating how everyone uses this WW2 "Germany invaded Poland" joke premise... you all are literally using one same joke.
YT comment sections are usually just hivemind coming up with the same Reddit-tier jokes over and over again. They're the type of people who blasted USSR anthem during breaks in middle school and thought it was funny.
@@Czuberion it was
â@@asekuracja6981it wasn't funny
@@Czuberion Feuled by an evil army of bots/trolls
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Germany should for once listen to Poland, especially when it comes to russia. The whole "wandel durch Handel" which Germamy so deeply believed in, turned out to be their biggest foreign policy blunders- extreme dependency on one country. Listen to the Eastern/ Central countries in the EU to really know how to deal with kremlin, as they have enough experience on this issue!
It is a lot easier to bark at everyone if you are just a Chihuahua. I would advise to our leaders to just ignore what Poland says. They will bark whatever we do, we should focus on ending this war as soon as possible.
@@timokohler6631 You often ignores Poland's voice and this is the problem. You still seem not to be ready to treat Poland as equal partner.
@@timokohler6631 i though the video mentioned Poland ignoring German request regarding the nordstream suspect. Yet you talk about suggesting your leaders ignoring them. Oh the irony!
If as a a German you are still not ready to accept Germany's foreign policy blunder regarding russian gas, then you are blind. Diversification of supply base, especially in critical sector is basics of management, where Germany failed.
@@Blanka1100 No I am not. Poland is not our partner. I respect the polish people who are hard workers and I have met many of them who worked in Germany as residents or as seasonal workers. But Polands voice, i.e. their Governments with their ridiculous demands and accusations is simply not worth listening to. I am still waiting for Poland to leave the EU the and become the next european superpower, but it's all just empty words from our eastern neighbours, and then you want us to take you serious as equal partner? It was Germany that campaigned for Poland to join the EU, it was German investment that reindustrialized Poland after decades of communist mismanagement, Poland is the greatest benefactor of European funds (which are mostl paid by Germany), the Polish Government so far has given us stupid anachronistic reparation demands, claimed to be economically colonized by Germany and called the EU the fourth Reich (while refusing to leave it of course). Where exactly is the equal partnership here? How is this equal, one acting responsible and for mutual benefit, and the other just whining and complaining like a toddler?
@@timokohler6631 PiS is not Poland and was voted out if you have not noticed yet. You always tell us to be grateful for EU money and shut up. Is that recpect to you? It is anything but. Also being blind for Putin's crimes was anything but responsible.
Hi, I'm a Pole studying in Frankfurt am Main, Germany. There may be "tensions" at a political scale, but I feel very welcome here and I have never experienced any hate towards me. We are good friends so I personally don't think the current disagreements can change this.
Germany is dead-set on going back to trade with Russia at the cost of everyone in between Berlin and Moscow. Despite the fact, that the V4 countries are Germany's largest trade partners - even before the sanctions, german trade with Russia was a fraction of that with Poland.
German ruling class simply does not perceive anyone east of Oder river as equals to them, mentally it's stuck in the XIX century, for them only Moscow counts. That's the mindset of people born and raised during the Cold War.
Or, and hear me out on this, it just makes economic sense to buy energy from Russia.
Russia is east of the OderâŠ
â@@univeropa3363only if you decide to turn off nuclear and coal powerplants at the same time.
â@@univeropa3363No, it's not that is just greed and utter stupidity from Germany, they would not be in this situation if they hadn't closed down all their nuclear powerplants.
So there is only 2 options now.
Trade with the west or become a weak-willed cowardly traitor to the whole of Europe that deals with Ruzzia, just like Orcban!
And no-balls Scholz is making good progress on option 2.
â@Dzoseff yeah, we can all agree that that was a very stupid decision to do it so swiftly without any plan on how to transition to another type of energy...
From the Warsaw perspective really very simple.
1. Someone in Berlin should finally notice that they're ally with us not the Russians.
2. On some topic's there is no PiS or PO government, there is the reason of state.
3. Yeah I know shocking.
It's a bit wild to emphasize the partnership here when for years Poland has only been agitating against Germany. The enemy image was definitely on the Polish side. It was difficult to work properly with such "partners". I'm not saying that Germany hasn't made mistakes or isn't making them, but in my opinion the destructive role of the PiS cannot be overestimated. There are reasons why Poland was a nuisance in the EU under the PiS.
â@@USEismydream In my opinions colaboration with Russian is more important than any random political drama from the Polish side. But I know that in German politics, it's more important to act serious and normal than to actually do useful stuff.
@@USEismydream they kept trying to shower us with migrants. We're not the enemy for not wanting that
@@USEismydream You are suprised that after choosing Russians over Poland, refusing to pay reparations after destroying our country, pretending all is good and we should just shut up Germany was called up on that? Nuisance in the Eu, give me a break.
@@alm9322 we know it here in Poland that since Molotov-Ribbentrop. Still being friends with a dictator despite genocides, occupation and death roll. Gratulacje
Let us organize a Medieval duel: bratwurst against Kielbasa to settle things once for ever ! Winner winner chicken dinner !
Germany and France weak politicians can't keep order in their own country, but are first to posture virtue and order everyone else what they should do.
Absolutely, they have created a nightmare situation in their own countries, where the streets of their major cities are unsafe, full of dangerous "refugees", yet they're the first to virtue signal and behave with authority.
Well, Poland was one of the lagest bigmouths to blame germany for not doing enough. Now that we have ramped up efforts they quitely shut down their own deliveries. Good luck telling ppl you dont want to be called out for that stunt.
Ah shit, here we go again
Not even close.
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â@@brulsmurfwill be close if Germany got poor again. And their stupid energiewende and EU biurocratsy is going to make them poor Another mustache guy is waiting - AFD.
Oh, so you're a time traveler? How was it? Over 80 years isn't the longest stretch, but still... đ€·đ»ââïž
Aaaaand here come the memes
The fact of the matter is Germany would rather have Russian gas than defend Eastern Europe from invasion and Eastern Europe has noticed. It took the Americans and the British to shame them into defending their own ally and their contribution to the war in Ukraine is still underwhelming. So much for the EU. Germany only wants the benefits and doesn't want any of the responsibilities.
I would agree, if Ukraine were in the EU or even NATO. I don't think the Germans are required to help a country that isn't in any sort of alliance or defensive pact. Of course they're keeping their best interests in mind. Just because the US wants to play global police doesn't mean everyone HAS to follow their lead. Doesn't mean im Pro-Russia, just saying...
Russia hasnt any interest to invade you. you are just brainwashed by western elites
@@user-oj8mn7po2z Russia invades everytime it can and just because it wants to.
@@ben6574 It's not about Ukraine being in the EU or NATO. It's about Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia looking at what Russia is doing and thinking "Hang on, we're next" When those countries look at France and Germany shrug their shoulders at Ukraine, they start to question how much France and Germany is committed to them.
Ultimately it's a bad move if you are against the US being the world police and for the EU having an independent foreign policy. Because if Poland feels they have more support from the US, then they will be dancing to America's tune and not Germany's.
ââ@@ben6574So you think that Germans allying (economically) and "culturally" with a country which since the moment of its creation has started multiple wars and has an agressive and opposing politics to pretty much every German allies is not a problem and just a legit choice?
Sorry my ukrainian head just cant comprehend it. I always thought that you should be consistent in your choices, but it seems germans are kinda immune to that?
European energy dependency on Russia was something proposed, supported and implemented mostly by Germany. Every day people are dying to the money Russia got from their energy deals. I support Tusk's sentiment in this case, the patrons of that project were patrons of a militaristic dictatorship that broke peace in Europe. Lynching the people responsible for breaking their precious pro-Russian pipeline is absurd at a time like this.
The reason Poland wants to have EU level funding for defense of the East, is because the East is where any EU country seems so much as threatened in the foreseeable future. Because of Russia and Belarus. Though I honestly doubt it will come to that in the next few decades. No country on that border can actually threaten NATO conventionally, as the war against Ukraine has shown.
Also, the reason Poland thinks Germany should be doing more for Ukraine, is because when you look at GDP comparisons, Poland spend nearly twice as much on Aid as a % of its GDP as Germany (Source: statista). So yes, Germany can and quite possibly should do more. Especially given they are partly responsible for this mess with their absurd 'pro-russian' policies the years prior.
and still poland makes afaik more profit of the situation in ukraine than pretty much any other country. i know, the reputation of ukrainian people isnt good here by now. but they still provided a massive amount of workers poland needed. germany is funding a lot. not just as germany, but the funds from the EU are also contribued mostly by germany and poland makes there a deficit.
"Russia was something proposed, supported and implemented mostly by Germany"
it was implemented by actually a few EU countries and nobody complained until it became more convenient to complain and still have a profit out of it. the only countries who legitimate did something about it and became independent few years earlier than anyone else around were the baltic states.
@@maddinek Massive influx of refugees from Ukraine was mixed blessing, many of them are children in need of further education, more people made acquiring housing much harder for average Polish, not to mention financial aid until they find a job in Poland - which they actually do
Germany is literally unable to finance Ukraine any more due to their constitutional austerity. And if they were to it would just lead to even more support to the russophiles of the AFD and BSW. It is a really bad situation all around.
@@Fatalitix3 check the finanial times and the data. poland has profit out of the whole situation. those few zĆoty they got is a joke.
to quote Putin himself: "have you completely lost your minds? are you as dumb as this table?"
[2003] "They wasted an opportunity to keep quiet" - Jacques Chirac about Poland. [2024] "You should apologize and keep quiet" - Donald Tusk about Germany.
Chirac showed Western arrogance towards Poland. Germany often acted in similar way puttin Russia's sensitive feelings above Poland's
We are speaking European language now ;) I know. This is so f... stupid.
Chirac wasn't exactly wrong considering the Polish government was licking Bush's boots as he launched an illegal invasion
As a Pole.. all I have to say is that electricity travels through me.
Why? What do you mean?
@@janahabermann1418there was a joke long time ago about a Russian computer translation of a phrase âthe spirit is strong but the flesh it weakâ that was translated to mean âthe vodka is good but the meat is rottenâ
The post that confused you is a dictionary word for word translation of Polish idiomatic phrase that lost all its meaning in the translation.
The pipeline issue is rather irrelevant as the pipeline won't be used in the future ever again. Honestly, I'm rather thankful that it was destroyed.
huge mistake as well as shutting down nuclearplants
@@trythis2006 blame German people for that
@@whiteeye3453 well its the governments fault, a lot were against it but they are stupid. i hate when people say "this race is stupid because xxx" its the government that does such stupid decisions, once voted and in power, these parties can do the most stupid stuff if they get the majority of votes in the parliament and if you dont know how the parties and politics in germany works, than educate yourself before and stop blaming it on the people, we, once a party is voted and in power, cant do shit if they vote for something they redeem is necessary and useful and elections doesnt happen every year so a lot of damage can be done in a couple years as we seen
Itâs always easy to demand money from others.
in % of gdp germany's aid to ukraine ranks only 16th or so with 0.4%, while other nations are well above 1%
in total amount of 155 grenades germany ranked before. and thats mattersfor ukraine. not a virtual gdp %.
because germany is the biggest economy? of course the percentage is low if their gdp was like poland it would be way over 1%
@@Samsonig You think they would send the same amount if they were the size of polish economy :)?
German GDP is at least 2 times higher than Polish.
@@Sanvone probably not
[Speaking from a Polish perspective] let's be honest, most of Germany's actions towards Ukraine have been rather superficial for most of the time, and a significant number of German politicians act as if they were agents of Russian influence. The fact that the German authorities allowed the construction of Nord Stream 2 is highly suspicious. I understand the gesture but paying reparations to the living victims of the German occupation is, for many Poles, a joke, because 99.8% if not 99.9% of them are no longer alive. They might as well wait another 5-10 years with such a gesture, and the people eligible for reparations could be counted on the fingers of one hand. Many people in Poland are worried that Germany's behavior suggests a desire to return to the status quo in relations with Russia, whereas in Poland, no one is thinking about this, because Russia is simply a barbaric country with which normal diplomatic relations cannot be maintained.
What Germany did for Ukraine is immense though. We have taken millions of refugees and gave them a lot of weapons as well as humanitarian aid. Calling them superficial is ridiculous
Nab sorry this is also bs, Germany is the second biggest supporter of Ukraine, while Poland does almost nothing now other then building up their own military, which would not be necessary if Ukraine beat Russia. Much of Germany's support is significant in Ukraine while big military powers like France lack behind. Many European countries do much less than Germany even in percentage numbers but you hate on Germany.
Germany has done for Ukraine more than any other country both financial and military aid
(Fact).
Germany is a sovereign state with the right of serving its interests under international law like any other country (Fact).
â@suchendnachwahrheit9143 Poland has also taken in millions of refugees (even despite our typically super xenophobic behavior) and provided immense military aid, especially at the beginning of the war.
The difference is you have a GDP 8 times bigger than ours.
@@JakubKas Well, it is is also much more expensive for us because of that.
We spend several billions a month for the Ukrainians alone. We gave them apartments, even though our own population suffers from an enormous housing shortage and has done so for decades. They are given citizens status, thus given actual jobless benefits instead of refugee payments(called Asyl here), given healthcare, pensions, etc. Without ever having contributed to the stability of our social systems.
The war itself costs us over a trillion in aid, lost economic growth, Inflation, stagnation,etc.
And it is still the right thing to help Ukraine. But you also should not just blindly compare numbers. Helping people is about... guess what, helping people. Not throwing percentages around. And we both do that. Both can do more and we should do more. But at the moment, it is just not that easy. The Poles seem to think that the Germans sit on a mountain of cash, that we could throw around like crazy. We don't. We have enormous issues currently. And they are set to grow.
I think nowadays the Germans can learn a lot of Poland....i say this as a german!
I am afraid Germans do not want to learn from Poles because most still do not treat Poland as equal partner.
@@Blanka1100 Just go back to Ukraine - seems like many nazi appologist in todays Poland.
â@@Blanka1100I think, thats a prejudice...Poland has no reason to feel like an Underdog, on the contrary!
@@guntherirlbeck8631 Not anymore but I am not sure if average German sees how much Poland improved over past 30 years. Most have never been here and their knowledge about Poland apart form WWII is close to zero. It would be nice if they wanted to get to know us better. That would improve our relations.
@@Blanka1100 I think its the same with the average polish people..the most only know that Nazi-Germany once attacked Poland and that we build nice cars.. đ
We had very long pro-Russian policies, even when they became less and less feasible, such as the NordStream pipelines. This seems to be a general Polish gripe and fundamental conflict of interests. Before the full-scale Russian attack on Ukraine, all debate in Germany was like: Poland, Ukraine want transit fees, USA want to sell dirty, expensive fracking gas. NordStream was attacked fiercely also by other than PiS /nationalists. In my opinion, Germany is in a rather convenient situation to end this debacle now: it had no real damage from the sabotage; gas prices were highest the summer before and constantly lowered at the time of the destruction. To continue gas imports from Russia after the 2022 invasion would have been the ultimate disaster. Blowing up the pipelines even saved Germany from pro-Russians, AfD, Wagenknecht, covidiots, screaming through the winter of 2022/23 to continue imports on Russian terms. Perhaps there should be a German politician coming out, saying that MordStream was a mistake, and we can be happy that it's gone.
Only a fool can be happy when your gas bills is 3 times what it was before .And not that Russia will be unable to sell the gas to someone else
@@goenzoy The gas prices exploded the spring and summer before the sabotage and dropped afterwards. Bad, but due to obvious mistakes, to become dependent on a rogue state. Russia curbed supplies already in summer 2021 and tried to force sanctions breaches and opening of MordStream 2.
It should be added that the "good gesture" described by the Polish PM received quite a lot of backlash in Poland. The reason for that is simple: there are really not many survivors of WW2 left, so we viewed is an action solely for the reason to show that Germany is willing to take responsibilit for WW2, when in reality, the cost is not that high. But, what really pissed Poles was not the proposition itself (we know of course, that German PM should care for his own country),but the reaction of our PM, who was seemingly OK with German proposition. We viewed it as Polish PM defending German reason of state.
It's rubbing salt into a wound basically. Generally speaking it would be better if Germans wouldn do anything if they are not willing to pay up.
Germany has taken responsibility. Repatriations were settled at the end of WWII upon Germany's *unconditional* surrender. Even the borders were re drawn. Poland has no case to make new demands, especially upon entering the EU.
@@TheBooban It is not about land. And Germans still do not understand it. And never treated Poland as equal partner. German society is still very ignorant when it comes to everything east of Oder river. That is a shame.
@@Blanka1100 The reparation topic has been settled in 1990, and Poland agreed. That does not make the crimes less harmful or signify a justification for not compensating victims. But there is no way that Germany will reopen talks about reparations. Again, the one thing - respect and the recognition of all the harm Nazi-Germany did to Poland - is not linked to financial compensation. The first is unquestionable, the latter is impossible.
@@TheBooban Yeah, but the Poles got more than a little screwed at the end of WW2. Now we have the same country that did that to them, at it again, and Germany is still more concerned about their cheap gas than their ally and what could be viewed as their buffer between that same said country going all land grab happy. As was pointed out, it was less about the dollar amount and more about the, we have your back, lets make sure that air defense gets built to protect us all, sort of thing.
German establishment is stuck in 2003. They canât accept that Poland is not a poor or weak country anymore and it will be harder and harder to influence Poland, much less push it around. Once Germans learn to treat Poland like they treat France, things will improve.
You need to be aware that the grandfather of Tusk was a soldier in the Nazi Wermacht army.
And the cat of Kaczynski was SS cat in the special domestic animal unit in Berlin directly reporting to the dog of Hitler.
â@@stasx6272 jawohl
well as every man between the age 16 and 60 was by law required to serve the army
ther is bearly anybody who doesnÂŽt have atleast a couple ancestors in the Wehrmacht
â@@baronbrummbar8691 the point is , that his grandfather was killing Poles and now this guy is the prime minister of Poland. My grandfather was not in Wermacht, he was killed in Auschwitz by Germans.
good for him. what about Poles in the British armee?
What do we want? We want Germany to finally understand that its economy is based on economic exchange with Poland, not Russia. Trying to restore Nord Stream will definitely not help with this. For some reason, German policy always gravitates towards Russia.
Maybe it's not visible from the outside, but under the skin most Poles still feel the colonial treatment of us by the Germans. A great example is the mentioned Polish house in Berlin and the payment of benefits to survivors. These people are so old that before the administrative proceedings end, there will be half as many of them. Thank you, Mr. German, a wonderful gesture...
Maybe it just makes economic sense to buy Russian energy?
â@@univeropa3363how much sense it made from the security standpoint? All middle Europe and US were warning about this. Perfect reflection of how Germany is treating Poland.
@@univeropa3363 And let Putin blackmain you...Master strategist.
@@dntbther It made perfect sense. It just didn't fit into American plans for the region.
@@Blanka1100 Except he didn't?
Can someone please tell me why there is no debate about Energiewende in Germany, how much it costs, and why Germany decided to buy gas from Russia and shut down all nuclear plants? There are even some reports saying that for this idea Germany lost 500bln euros, although gas will not be a source of energy in the future - the EU is planning to limit the use of gas. It was not logical at all, what Germany did in this matter. It was making no economic sense. And there is no debate about this? Or there is but I am not aware of it?
It's a pity that the creator of the video didn't point out that the current situation in Ukraine or the alleged âproblemsâ with Poland are due to the fact that Germany was blindly so pro-Russian, if Nord Stream hadn't been built Putin couldn't have just attacked the country next door. Nord Stream was a project that eerily sabotaged eastern Europe and, as we can now see, was done at the expense of Ukraine. There is a reason why Germany is losing so much and will continue to lose ground in other European countries, because they have tried to create themselves as a leader, but it has backfired on many issues in many countries and most absurdly also on Germans themselves where they are afraid to go out on the streets after 8 pm.
Not necessarily 'Blindly' Pro... but more likely conscientiously aware of Putin's Nuclear arsenal.
Nuclear arsenal? Where is it? Isnt russian Doctrine to fire Nukes when someone thretens russian integrity? Now we have hostile army on russian land...
Go and tell this to Merkel.
not pro Russia, Merkel tough that the dependency of Russia on german tech would draw them in. She did not stop to think that Putin maybe did nothing because she would have united Europe against him. She should have prepared Europe for a weak leader, but underestimated her own influence and strengths.
Kind of unique a leader who has a smaller ego than she should have had.
Afraid to go in the streets after 8 pm? Were do you live in Germany?
Also how is Nordstream anti eastern europe? Is Germany not allowed to not pay big transition fees to eastern european countries for doing absolutely nothing other than being located between Germany and Russia?
The invasion would have happened with or without Nordstream. Putin expected to defeat Ukraine in a week, thereby securing the pipeline relatively fast. And till today, this pipeline has not yet been destroyed by Ukraine because they still get transition fees from it.
I want Ukraine to win and want my country to send more weapons. But blaming the invasion on Germany and Nordstream is just ridiculous. Getting dependent on russian gas was a big mistake, but not the cause of the invasion.
Countries don't have friends, they have interests â€đ đ
Mostly true but not wholly. There is quite a lot of sentiment. How else do you explain US support for Israel? And as a Brit l can guarantee we will support Ukraine even if no one else does. We hate dictators
â@@jontalbot1Britain said the same thing about Poland and eventually left them to the dogs
@@sithersproductions If your friend has just gone through a fight and is left barely standing, you shouldn't expect them to be eager to get into another one either.
@@sithersproductions The invasion of Poland is what triggered Britain to declare war on Germany so l have no idea what point you are trying to make. It also illustrates my point. We had nothing to directly gain by supporting Poland. There were lots if expat Poles who came to Britain and many fought with us against Germany. This included my neighbour when l was growing up.
@@jontalbot1 Declaring war and actually participating in it and helping your allies are both seperate and very different things. You can't blame UK for what they did as it was in the past and people couldn't predict the future but still you need to know the difference and understand how it looked from polish perspective
This is the most ridiculous piece of propaganda to show the pro German government as if it is anti German. This government is killing every projects which opposes the most vital German interests. Only gives up to do so in case of big social pressure.
oh no not again
Interesting video. I'm a UK citizen and I don't live in Germany or Poland, so please excuse my comment if you disagree. Yet, it's not surprising when demand of reparations creates tension. Not fair perhaps, for who is responsible for others' actions in our time, let alone actions from others in another(namely WW2)? Thankfully, I live in a country that remembers WW2 with dignity and respect , no winners in wars and futility . Thankfully for me, they don't teach hate in British schools, there is no gas lighting, shame or blame, nor any reparations mentioned ever. In fact, I live in a city with the iconic British mini cooper redesigned by a German automotive company all over London ,and one of the favourite cars on the streets here !
Jamie, your country became a loser, you don't see this?
Poland and Germany quit fighting over Nordstream! You should blame it on the U.S. If we did not do it directly we probably had something to do with it.
Itâs always fun to watch these about your country. Tusk didnât win the October, not December, elections but was able to form a coalition which started rulling in December. Polish-German history textbook are already used since few years back in Poland (they are written by PL-DE commitee)
Polish 1:05 polish parliamentary elections took place in October, not December... I enjoy your videos, but every time you're talking about my county's politics the mistakes in research hit me again and again.
Makes you wonder the mistakes theyâre doing about subjects you donât know about..
To be fair, it's easy to get confused because PiS did a bunch of ridiculous stalling bullshit for two months after the election, which is why PiS propaganda labels the government as "the December 13 coalition" which, as you know (but others might not), was the day martial law was introduced in Poland in 1981.
They didn't say that the elections where in December. They said that this is when "they came to power" which is true because the president was stalling the transition of power.
They are correct.
Yes, but they did not take power until December
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Germany and Poland are at odds?
This literally never happened before in history!
I will never understand why Polish-German relations are the way they are. Our interests are not really divergent. Both Germany and Poland benefit from the development of their neighbour, so we don't need to create problems for each other.
I'm tired of this nonsense about reparations. We regained vast tracts of land, including an important port in Szczecin. I'm also fed up with Germany's efforts to hinder the development of Polish infrastructure. Almost all major projects are being attacked by NGOs funded from Germany. Let's not treat each other as competitors
It is not about land and not about money anymore. It is about lack of trust and disrespect as Germans never treated Poland as equal partner. It is high time they understood there is a country between them and Russia and it is not cheap labour only anymore. Polish people always here "Be grateful for EU money and shut up" while at the same time their knowledge about modern Poland is close to zero and their WWII knowledge was always overshadowed by USSR, and soviet victims often seen by Germans as "Russians only" which is false as many of them were also Ukrainians). I want relations to improve but everytime you hear german leader saying "he will think about it" when it comes to those few 90 years old alive victims left you can not be optimistic. Why doesn't he wait for another 10 years? Problem would be "solved"...
@@Blanka1100 Exactly, it is always only Germany that does something wrong in the relationship between the two countries when it comes to Poland. No stupid insults or accusations from the previous government. Or the Polish idiosyncrasy of collecting EU funds on a large scale and then not wanting to know anything about EU directives. Everything comes from one side only.
@@user-ds7et1ht4y Previous government is the key word here, don't you think? I personally voted PiS out. You can thank me later.
Actually, germany does y benefit from growing Poland. They are destined to be rivals
@@Yungkhalifa14 if they let them
I'm optimistic about our relationship and it's future. IIn my opinion it will only improve (and it's good already), problems described in that movie are issues but of not so big to say that we have fallen out... it's uncomparable to previous 8 years (and still even then our countries cooperated effectively). Greetings for all Germans from Poland! :)
P.S. I'm really curious about Nord Stream bombings - we'll need to wait for many years to know more details, but this is really interesting who really stood behind that (and if it was agreed)?
I also think relationship will only improve, but there it comes another case about energiewende policy, which is kinda not understandable from Polish perspective. Shuting off nuclear power plants, especially those two greens' deputy ministers, who lied in audits, temporary coming back to coal power plants or letting to be dependent on russia's gas import. That's confusing.
for once I agree with german politicians, empowering brussels to make decisions for eu member countries is insanity, de facto disabling monetary freedom of states
Germany is deeper in Russia's pocket than ever.
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How ?
Germany sucks Russian pipelines really hard.
@@WszystkoZajeteOMG409 Not nearly as much as Poland does/still does, being the biggest importer of Russian LPG gas in 2022 and 2023 (accounting for a third of all EU imports). While Germany cut Russian gas imports to a staggering ZERO despite being much more dependent on that gas compared to Poland who simply continued imports just so Poles donât have to pay a little more đđ
Zelensky and Putin are both Juice.
Tusk is not a socialist - he is a conservative liberal with deep ties to the German CDU (currently and opposition party, ex-ruling party for years). What is considered left-wing in Poland is at most centre-right by European standards. Poles don't really like left-wing politics after over 50 years of communist occupation. The second part of the government is Third Way Party, which is conservative. Only Lewica (smallest coallition partner, marginalized in the government) is truly left wing.
I hope deeply that the CDU returns to power in Germany next year. It will fix relations with Poland and also reverse Germany's downward course under Scholz.
Downward course under sholz will be replaced by even more downward course by CDU yayyy!
The CDU is the reason we have a problem to finance the support for Ukraine (not the only one though)
@@david. From what I've read in the media I was under the impression that mainly the SPD is hindering weapons deliveries. What I read was about Taurus missles, perhaps in other cases it was the other way around.
I'm not a German citizen, but I have German roots and have been living there for a couple of summer months across different years (including during the last election). Therefore my perspective might be skewed by foreign media coverage.
I just hope Germany fares well, European wellbeing in general is dependent on that.
CDU is coalitioning with everyone just to hate on afd. They lie and steal money
@@klauscuiavian2853 I guess it can be seen in this or that way depending on the topics. I think you might be right in terms of relations and maybe weapon delivery (CDU doesn't express their opinion on that too loud imo)
In other topics as investment politics I think CDU made very poor choices in the last decades, that's why I have a very negative image of them.
Tusk and Scholtz both have the same lower jaw. It is kind of ironic.
With whom does Scholz get along ?
France
Himself
russia
His Mother maybe?
@@Freedom9X she should be ashamed of such a loser
Not Nazis but GERMAN occupation. Pls stop making people fool.
Yes and also never say germans left there prussia. Say they got brutally murdered and evicted by poles.
@@Freedom9X There is a huge différence between killing german occupants and beeing killed by german invaders. listen to Rammstein Deutschland song. They revealed what the german history is all about.
Poland Genocided the Germans in Poland. Millions of them
the Poles also mass murdered slave groups that supported the germans ........
also the poles mass murdered and deportet germans from lands germans lived way longer then the poles themself
1:27 F**** the hypocrite racists PIS. Out of the 6 million, 3 millions were Jews. Jews who were also persecuted by the Poles during and even after the war. All while the party slowly erasing the memory of the Jewish holocaust in museums and etc... and turning it into the "Polish holocaust". Literally erasing Jewish names from museums.
I hope the Germans donât take this too personally; the only reason Poland hasnât demanded this of Russia is because they canât.
03:20 all 1000 of them?! How generous
We shouldn't pay anything lol.
ââ@@justaplayer94never would I imagine that in the current world there are still STOLEN polish pieces of art in German museums. Maybe you can't pay the full amount now but at least give us back what you had stolen.
@@MarcinPvP Return our Land first and then we can give you your so called "Reperations" and "Stolen arts". Otherwise definitly no.
@@justaplayer94 you mean those lands that you colonized after destroing first commonwealth? Those lands that was exchanged with USSR not you? Those lands we were forced to take?
@@justaplayer94 This amount of nationalism in a European country is always wild to me.
I assume you don't mind giving, let's say, Denmark the land you stole back to them? After all a vote was promised to the Danes to see where the border would go, but then when Germany won a war against Austria the Prussians took it, the vote was then held after WW1 where Germany had used the time to germanize the land. If Poland has "stolen" land from Germany, then surely this land is stolen as well?
It's almost as if German foreign policy towards eastern Europe focuses strictly on ties with Russia rather than felllow democracies or (heaven forbid) it's NATO and EU partners. Wouldn't surprise me if they preffered the things go back to before 1997 same as Putin.
This actually comes from the Russian narrative that they are the Soviet Union and the fact that many Germans don't understand where the Nazis were primarily wreaking havoc. That wasn't Russia. Plus, you can't forget the greed factor. Politics, industry and society were largely blinded by money. And ultimately, for years there was this narrative in German foreign policy of change through trade. People thought that if you tied Russia to you and vice versa, the Russians would change to a certain extent too. That was also the idea with China for years. But German foreign policy is a bit of a joke anyway. Geopolitical factors aside from pure economic policy were almost never decisive because people were incredibly naive.
Sure. We invested billions in gas independence from russia and literally pay ukraine to resist russia, that's surely what a partner of russia would do.
We are an intrecate part of the EU leadership, your accusations are fanatical.
Germany looks at central/eastern Europe like on place where they can go and take whatever they want... like in 1939
@@zwerg8474 When did Germany invest in gas independence from russia, when did Germany start paying Ukraine? Its always important to note when something happens. Like Poland sent tanks to Ukraine the second day of the invasion, which were a huge relief on the front and Germany had issues sending helmets after several weeks. Then same with the gas infrastructure. Poland started working on it long before the war between Russia and Ukraine, Germany did it after the war started. Why? Because they didn't have any other choice.
â@@zwerg8474 you did that because you had no other option but in peace tine you worked with Russians just to be against them few years later....again
According to Polish journalists, the new "Join History book" is an excellent example of how Poland's history "will change". In the new book, we will not find information about the Baptism of Poland, the medieval wars with the Germans, "the cursed soldiers", the victory at Grunwald, the role of John Paul II in the overthrow of communism and examples of Polish heroism during World War II, the Volhynian massacre. Instead of "examples of the heroism of Poles saving Jews" - about "negative attitudes of Poles towards Jews", the removal of the Ulma family, Kolbe, Pilecki. We won't find information about the defence of the post office in GdaĆsk, the battles for Westerplatte, the defence of the parachute tower in Katowice, the battles of Mokra and Wizna, the battle of the Bzura, the defence of Warsaw, the defence of Grodno, the battle of Kock, battle of the Bzura.
In the sub-item concerning examples of German and Soviet crimes, we will not find information about Palmiry, Katyn, the execution of Lviv professors, and the ZamoĆÄ region. It seems to have removed the threads of "armed resistance" from materials concerning the beginnings of communism in Poland.
Whereas Nordstream and Ukraine are concerned I am 100 % with the Polish government and against our stupid politics of the past and present.
Germany received a terrorist attack that was probably supported by 2 nations. Itâs basically a declaration of war and they canât defend themselves lol
With rule of law, you can't decide to not prosecute someone because you don't like the outcome. If there is sufficient evidence that the law was broken, then there also needs to be a trail.
If they had indubitable proof why not issue an EU wide arrest warrant? By directing the issue at Poland this seemed more like a scapegoat than the real culprit.
With enough time and torture( even only solitary confinement) a man can admit to a lot of stuff, maybe they'll give him a dental rearrangement of his denture and claim they found Hitler and sentence him to hang.
â@@akmon3490 Torture is highly unlikely. If there is one thing that absolutely guarantees you the best treatment possible, it's having all eyes upon you.
Ill-Treatment happens only in cases where nobody is looking our nobody wants to look.
> and sentence him to hang.
There is no capital punishment in Germany.
Most funny post ever:))) Poland is US puppet state which role is to divide and sabotage Europes economy as per US instructions and interests. Problem is that Poland is biggest victim ot this policy. Russia is much stable and much cheaper economy for Germany and even for Poland. Who needs endles stream of polish strawberry pickers ?trt
I like Polish people. At least those I've met here in Germany. They are usually super friendly and funny persons.
And Vice Versa!
Poland forgot a big contributor for the commencement of the 2nd WW⊠Reparations for the firstâŠ
Tensions?
Does Germany want Danzig?
Danzig is just Gdansk in German, it's still Danzig. People don't understand that.
@@tnickknight He never said otherwise lmao
How about everything east of the river Oder that was taken after 45?
Nah this is a Meme.
Under its last Government. Poland kept claiming that the Agreement which Settled Post War Reparations from Germany to Poland was Forced upon Poland by the Soviets and thus should be Anulled as Independent Poland never Agreed to it.
Germans like to Remind Poland that this very same Agreement also Agreed the Annexation of Eastern German Territories by Poland.
So if this Agreement is Nullified. Poland would be Illegally Occupying Large Parts of German Territory.
Hence. If Poland wants Germany to Pay these Reparations. Poland should Return the Territories it Annexed from Germany.
@@thepax2621 what was taken from Germany,was taken by Russians and given to Poland as recompensation for lost teritories in the east. Ask your friend Putin to pay reparations for those teritories and pay us reparations for murdering our citizens and destroying our cities
We'll figure it out and find solutions for our differences that are satisfactory to both side. Poland and Germany are partners today and need each other. Don't believe what the propagandists say.
Germany and Poland are friends đ...You must've voted for Tusk
â@@Truthspreader70we are in a military alliance. We are in an economic union. We'll have the same currency in the future. The trade between us is counted in bilions. Do you agree with your friends on every single topic? I'm all for normalising the relations between us. What sense does it make to be needlessly antagonistic.
@@Truthspreader70 Both in the EU, both in NATO, both countries with economies that are closely intertwined with each other. Also neighbors of course. Also both have the same goals regarding Russia, to eliminate Russia's potential to start wars in Europe.
@@Fireballun ..You must've voted for traitor Tusk. Germany is stealing or buying everything from Poland as cheaply possible. The only reason the EU was created was so germany could control everything without losing another war..Eastern Europe doesn't need Germany. If Poland takes the Euro currency Anything will double in prices and there will be a lot of homeless. Go ask Croatia citizens How's things going now with the Euro
@@Kynos1 ...And Germany is stealing everything it can from Poland..Open your eyes, germany is trouble. At least Pis knew that, and Tusk is a EU puppet
"Revival of Weimar Triangle" made me laugh. Real "revival" with Scholz requesting Tusk to stay in waiting room while he has to discuss something with Macron alone. For an hour. Then Tusk could join them at the table to hear what they agreed. I woudn't call this figure a Triangle.đ€Ł
Dear TLDR - "follow the money". According to Destatis (German Statistical Office-2024) Poland is Germany's fifts trading partner in export (after: US, France, the Netherlands and China) and fourth's in import (after: China, Netherlands and US). We may not love each other, but our economical cooperation benefits both countries. Poles have been aware of this fact. The rest is just ... well quatsch...
Germany & Poland tensions rising & the far right AfD rising in Germany?
đïžđïž *war flashbacks*
Isn't the ADFs leader a lesbian married to a Sri Lankan woman?
@@Irish_republican ironic isnt it
just as she wants to make career kekw
@@Irish_republican she also lives in switzerland not germany
@@Irish_republican Because the whole of the AfD are grifters. They dont actually believe any of the BS they spout, they just want that sweet russian money.
German are disarmed, germans dont want to serve in army. This time war would end in German defeat unless they will start arming themselves for next 10-15 years
the silence of cia on nord stream is loud
You can add Denmark to the list of countries, who are disgusted with Germany's weak Ukraine support.
Then look up how much support Ukraine gets through the EU, and who funds that. Germany primarily supports Ukraine through EU channels for domestic politics reasons, not the unilateral aid you see on the news
Scholz is very weak playing like the puppet of Putin.
@@jensboettiger5286 Okay, we can play that game. According to the Kiel Institute for the World Economy, between Jan. 24, 2022 and June 30, 2024, Germany has given as bilateral aid 0,4% of GDP and another 0,22% of GDP as shared EU aid.
That means you're not even in the top 10. In total amount, you haven't even given double that of tiny Denmark. I can't speak for the dead, but the living will forgive you if you STEP UP NOW!!! if you don't, it will be another generational shame, that hangs over Germany.
@@jensboettiger5286 Ohh and by the way, i love Germany
â@@Einherjar-DK
Feel free to include the cost for one million refuegees which would triple your numbers
By far the unfunniest comment section I've seen in a long time, literally the same, barely related joke over and over
Oh oh.....
Germans schould look at their statistic data and really think who is their closest and biggest trade partner.
And no, it is nor russia, not china, and not usa
Polska gurom!
It is China, check your data again.
Then you are wrong. I just fact-checked who the biggest trade partners are.
#1 China, #2 USA, #3 Netherlands
True this!
@@swanky_yuropean7514 Leave it to a angry commenter, to just come up with their own reality.
Work together please, Poland and Germany are both central for European prosperity,
Northern Stream was a dangerous project for Europe as a whole
We do work together even if we do not agree on everything.
Issue Three: Germany constantly advocating invasions of Poland. German invasion, Russian invasion, and now imported migrant invasion.
Poland has had to fight existential wars for centuries. It is not for Berlin or Brussels to tell Poland that it is too Polish.
đđđđ
I would absolutely love to see an example of an elected official in the Federal Republic of Germany advocating a German or Russian invasion of Poland. Should be easy for you to find one, if it happens "constantly". Polish nationalism is just the saddest combination of national chauvinism and constant whining about how you're the victim.
And of course the "migrant invasion" thing is just silly wordplay, people moving to live somewhere else isn't an "invasion".
Big mistake on graph od 1:13. KO take power at the end od the year 2023.
You know nothing about Polish politics if you call this a divide. lmao
There is nothing like that. Poland and Germany are good. We disagree with some things but in general we are allies. About Ukrainian diver who was the subject of the warrant: He left Poland and free crossing of the Polish-Ukrainian border by the above-mentioned person was possible because German authorities did not include him in the database of wanted persons, which meant that the Polish Border Guard had no knowledge and no grounds to detain Volodymyr Z. It was not a refusal on Polish part. He was not on the territory of Poland
Not sure what this article is supposed to achieve Poland and Germany have very good relationships. Economically,Defence, culturally. Many Polish people live and work in Germany. Many German companies have invested in Poland. The is more of a personal relationship issue with Scholz. But who can have a good relationship with this chancellor is a question in itself.
The relationship is so beautiful Nord Stream purpose was specifically to go around Poland. Germany has ok relationship with Poland and always a better one with Russia.
Average German still knows nothing or very little about modern Poland and could not care less (exept for cheap shoping maybe).
More problems that Olaf has learned that he can't solve with warm hugs regardless of how much he loves them.
You really should replace Morawiecki in the intro already...
Again???
Dude Tusk is agerman agent Oskar. Morawiecki is german agent Student. You cant make this upđđđđ
3:05 - German-Polish house established by German parliament was nothing more than a distraction from reparation
3:16 - Sholz said he'd be willing to pay compansations SOMEDAY. Not now. SOMEDAY. Meaning - they would wait until all victims are dead, and THEN they would start paying...
Polish-German relations were never good because Germany refuses to accept its responsibility for what it has done to Poland during WW2.
Germany paid reparations.
Exactly! Tensions rise because Germany thinks it's entitled to decide for Poland and all central Europe while forgetting it's responsibility for the past.
Or maybe it's because reperations were paid and treaties were signed that Germany owed no more reperations
@@univeropa3363 and Germany relinquished territory to Poland.
Furthermore in 1970 Poland officially waived any further reparation claims. PIS reopening this closed chapter is an obvious populist maneuver and total bullshit.
Germany is pretty open about the past. That's the exact reason why the German government is extremely careful about relations with Israel.
Everybody would fall out with Olaf Scholz, he's like sleeping pills incarnate.
5:15 itâs not about Germany- itâs about all potlcial, especially German
6:14 you'd think that this taboo had been broken during Covid, but apparently Germany are still as annoying on it as they were before, even in crisis situations...
Germany has been Fiscally responsible for years now. Fiscally responsible means keeping a strict budget, this would negate all that hard work put in. But how dare Germany not punish itself?
Compensating "living victims" is not "a good move", but a dark bad joke.