United Boeing 727-200 Departure from Baltimore BWI (1997)
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- Taxi and takeoff from Baltimore/Washington Int'l Airport (BWI) aboard a United Airlines Boeing 727-200 to Denver. Filmed in April 1997.
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The noise from the Boeing 727 is far more tolerable than any lousy popstars we hear on the radio today :D
Arguably the most beautiful jetliner America has ever produced. Also, fairly quiet ride at the front of the bus too.
My first ever flight: UA 727-200 BWI-ORD, back in June, 1984. I miss the 727 and the JT8D!
So do I my friend. So do I. Many great memories of flying during the heyday for my life. The 727-200 and the MD-80 mad dog. Man I wish I could go back and enjoy the location of being seated next to the engines on a 727 takeoff. I didn't know what a thrill that would be so quickly taken from my life.
I agree, The 727 ROCKED!! In fact I have a whole technical specifications booklet on the 727 that I downloaded off of Boeing's website and printed out, It's REALLY fascinating!! Unfortunately it doesn't look like Boeing is going to retrofit any 727s to 2010 standards, i.e 2 man crew and newer engines, Because they obviously don't think that would be feasible, It's really a shame too, I really liked the looks as well as the ride of the 727, It was so NICE!!!
oh i miss listening to radio chatter on flights. I used to to that all the time when I was a kid.
Me too, hated that the got rid of that😞
I remember the last time I saw a United 727 in person. It was in St. Louis, October of 2001,about a month before it was retired. In the midst of all the TWA action (it had just been bought out by TWA), this UA 727 takes off over me. It had just taken off.We were about a mile or two SE of the airport, doing a community service thing for school. Boy was the 727 loud as fuck, even when it was hushkitted (this particular one was). Never saw another UA 727 after that.
Actually, those 727 wing-slats, now standard-issue on all transport aircraft, were the invention of some Boeing engineer who studied eagles in STOL flight. I am not making this up. Get your hands on "Billion Dollar Gamble" which is a book about Boeing's development of the 727. Still the sweetest wing in the fleets.
I flew the most I ever have in my life in 1997, and was on a lot of 727s.
On family vacations when I was little this was always my favourite bird to fly in.
Have never seen the front of rear engine aircraft view, thank you for your upload.
I always loved taking this 727 to Denver on United, seemed like it went down that runway forever before rotating, but I would love it if they brough them back, good solid airplane!
Wow, i remember these old birds, I was still working for UA at that time. great airplanes, miss them!
No, You can still listen to radio chatter on flights, I was doing that on American on my way home yesterday.
I grew up flying on the Boeing 727. it was the one T-tail airliner I always flew on with United
The last 727-200 I flew in was in 2000 on a United one. SWEET plane!!!
Oh, and I'm a student pilot and plan to have a career in aviation. I've recently been rethinking my plans on going to the airlines, and instead becoming a freight dog. It's the only place you can really fly the classics these days.
It would be great to see a 727 with newer engines and a 2-crew cabin with EFIS. I wish Boeing would do this; the 727 was an absolutely AWESOME airplane!!
dave4shmups i guess they might upgrade the cockpit if you want.
dave4shmups: 727 is my classic favorite too, but part of what makes it a spectacular are those loud JT8-D engines.
I remember these takeoffs well. As a pax in the back on BWI-DEN UA727-200 flights about 4 times over the years I remember the long take off rolls from 28. BWI's elevation is 146 feet and runway 28 has an uphill gradient so that doesn't help either. There is an additional 500 feet available for takeoff if you cross over to taxiway victor "V" which is the "jug handle" taxiway to loop you to the end. Most of the departures are from taxiway "C" like this one to expedite traffic flow.
The ATC-feed is cool. I think all airlines should have a "channel 9" ! Great video. It is sad but a fact that the chance to ride 727 in 2010 in Europe is all but impossible. The only chance to get on a three-hole-jet is to catch a MD-11 from KLM or Martinair in the Netherlands. As far as I know, there are no other airlines still flying jets with three engines in Europe today. :-( So you have to visit the USA, Latin America or Africa to fly that classic jet´s... Thank´s for uploading !!
I would gladly pay good money for a flight with this wonderful lady.
Miss these so much. That sound!!
I read that UPS repowered their 727s with quieter high-bypass ratio Rolls-Royce Tays.
United allows you to listen to the cockpit radio transmissions through the in-seat entertainment. It's called From the Flight Deck and it's on channel 9.
The empenage of this aircraft is the most beautiful tail of any jet airliner, I love it
Yes 727's were loud, but not as loud as a Concorde. My Step Dad worked for Northwest Orient in Las Vegas, & as such I was able to go behind the scenes a lot (escorted or on permission of course). 727's were there most common jet into Vegas. I remember standing in the open jet way, & a plane was pulling in, & at 250 feet away it was deafing, I had to plug my ears. Months later (Oct 1987 or 1988) Air France spent 2 weeks offering half way to Hawaii, & back Concorde trips. That time I was at ground level as it was pulling in & at nearly twice the distance it was equally as loud as the 727. That's an experience I will never forget. It's weird to now see that suspended at a museum, & to able to say I remember when it flew.
United was the first Airline I flew on July 1983 BWI-PIT-BWI Flight 473 to PIT 727-200 Seat 6A Flight 470 back to BWI also a 727-200 Seat 6F
This is one of United's older 727-222 Unadvanced aircraft. I can tell by the engine sound.
-7B ?
@@gendaminoru3195 : it doesn't sound like it, from what I can hear. The further forward you are of a -9A or later engine, the more they tend to sound like a -7B as the harmonics that normally dominate the spectrum in the later engines seem to decay a little sooner with distance. But I can still hear them, albeit faintly.
I'd wager the overall difference in sound is related to the different bypass ratio - if you've ever heard a JT8A on an A-4 or A-6, they sound much more like the later JT8D variants, while the -200 series sounds a lot more like a JT8D-7B. This tells me that some of those harmonics get suppressed as the bypass ratio increases, and I'd wager this explains why a JT8D-9A tends to sound somewhere between a -7B and a -17R as its bypass ratio is right in the middle of the range.
I wish the camera had kept focus on the wing during takeoff. It would have bee nice to see some wing flex!
I miss the loud T tail jetliners that left a long smoke trail...farewell to the Boeing 727
nice video quality for the time ago it was shot. :)
Man he waited along to time to takeoff!
I flew it from the right seat. Wonderful plane from a pilot's standpoint, but like most transports had quirks and flaws. Relative to today's fans, then engines were underpowered, especially during takeoff. That coupled with a high-speed wing meant relatively long takeoff runs when compared to today's planes. Awesome feel and control authority. Solid and stable on approach. Zero automation. The autopilot was little more than a wing leveler with altitude hold. I'd fly it tomorrow if I could. I loved it.
I was wondering the same thing!! Probably MAGIC!!
God I miss the 727s! Best aircraft Boeing ever made!!
Love that leading edge.
@superfestiva You don't know what you're missing, for you have not lived until you've heard the roar of the JT8D during a takeoff roll :-)
The sequenced leading edge slats was an interesting feature of the 727.
IND is my home airport. Formerly Weir Cook, now Indianapolis International.
Yep!! They still do it!!!
United's audio channel 9 feeds atc from the cockpit. At least they used to, not sure if they still do.
Likewise, 727s RULE!!
Jt8d my fav powerplant
It's a long way from Baltimore to Denver
It's a long time to hang in the sky,
It's a long way home to Starwood in Aspen
Oh, My Sweet Rocky Mountain Paradise,
Oh, My Sweet Rocky Mountain Paradise.
John Denver.
@skyguy414 United Airlines still has Channel 9 for ATC. I love hearing what is being said!
@hearts76100 No, although there are still a few in operation around the world. If memory serves, I believe FedEx still uses a few of the freighter versions.
was this plane in the Battleship Grey livery or the Rainbow one?
continental air and newark airport!! me home!!
how did u get the cockpit voices?
@skyguy414 they had it way back then too?
Allegheny in 1997? What airline had that call sign?
I remember United used to have gates in Pier A which is now Southwest
@willineus2011 Same here!!! The 727 is very simply the VERY BEST!!!
@skyguy414 They still do. I flew them this summer.
Nope, still doesn't ring a bell. Are they for passengers or for cargo? Do you mean UPS? Because I googled TPUS and it didn't come up with anything...
@superfestiva No hush kit! I wish I could hear a jet without a hush kit for once! FedEx has removed the 727 from the MSP route so I will probably never get to see one!
@skyguy414 as of 3 years ago they still did.
@pianomanmaestro Yeah heavy with fuel going to Denver! it always took a long time it was scary, I flew on this flight I cant tell you how many times headed out to DEN, It was a good old plane I miss it, but the 757 can rotate so much quicker
Nice memo. You'd be hard pushed to find a flight on a 727 today.
Nice video but that garbled noise in background takes away from the engine noise.
@frtguy80 I would LOVE it if Boeing started making the 727 again and especially if United brought them back into their fleets again!! With a modern 2 man "Glass Cockpit" and modern high-bypass ratio turbofans, They'd be AWESOME!!!!
Long takeoff roll! Slow climb rate too for a pretty short ride. Must have ripped down the runway for 9000-some feet.
It was even worse taking off out of DEN with that altitude, I remember it going over 10k feet before rotating and that was before the 16k ft runway was built out there
DEN is a mile high which makes everything take off longer. Crazy that from maybe 100-200 feet though in moderate temperatures on a short-medium flight it'd use that much runway. Now had it been a 757 (the 727's replacement, and among the fastest takeoffs) it would have been much shorter and steeper.
BWI to DEN isnt exactly a "short ride"
I said "pretty short". It's about 3 hours and 20 minutes which isn't too short, but not too long either.
@reverse thrust Yeah sounds like you got weight restricted, so they couldn't fully fuel the plane. Was this old Stapleton or current DIA? Nowadays it's less common that something has to get diverted for that reason, especially with DIA's 16,000 foot runway.
ohh nice flight attendant...very nice..what a nice fella lol
Some United flights feed ATC communications to passenger audio channel 9.
@superfestiva Very slow, i used to fly on this United 727 to Denver all the time and it was always dragging down the runway, especially taking off out of Denver coming back
why did you heard the atc??
only thing now that comes close to this is a 717_200 doesn't have the extra engine but it sounds almost identical when taking off
Ryan Belden: I think the MD-80's are the closest to 727; they have JT8D engines like 727.
No, that would be the MD-80s which had PW JT8D engines as 727, but with a larger compressor fan.
@@delten-eleven1910 : the JT8D-200 sounds completely different than the earlier JT8D engines (I'd guess -9A or -11?) on this airplane. They sound somewhere between a JT8D-7B and the generic "scary" tritone sound effect used in horror movies. The BR715 is a totally different engine, but its sonic characteristics are somewhat close to a later small-fan JT8D in the lower RPM ranges - a little closer than a JT8D-200 but not by much.
didn't it have a headlight on the forward flaps if I remember can someone tell me thanks
The 72 had 4 landing lights. 1 at the wing route on each side and one in each of the outboard Krueger flaps.
wow long time ago
They did.
I think that was DHL, although UPS may have done the same :-)
I think John Denver might've received his Type Rating in a 727-100 but I'm not too sure of it.
@superfestiva not after it begins its climb,the rate of climb is fast
2 people flew a CRJ
@473271 Next time I'm flying United from Frankfurt to NY :D
I didn't know that :o
only plane like this left is the Northwest-Delta DC-9 fleet :(
I think they followed DHL's lead.
@skyguy414 ik this comment was a year ago but yeah they still do, captains discretion
@steve60610 April 1997.
What's TPUS?
And yes, it's a sad era of aviation when you've got planes like the A320 in which the computer does most of the flying.
@meccaturbo It was good when it WAS the best!!! Who knows? Maybe today's planes will one day be seen as ancient and onsolete like the 727 is.
Well never have I seen SLATS Soo depressed & Expressed on an aircraft before, thing of the past - one just doesn't see such Slat expression on now days modern super critical aircraft.. now days very very little slat expression is needed on modern super critical wing, the slightest gust or brisk headwind an minimal engine power is all that needed to saw now!!..
@skyguy414 wuau i woul like to hear that
@jbrian80 I hope you don't mind, but I tweeted your quote :-)
Paul In KCRP
Oh, you mean American Airlines? LOL, I have never heard it refered to as TPUS before.
flaps deployed during taxi.
no i think asiana airlines or korea arlines let u listen to atc too.
@ford9572 Old technology, not the best anymore.
@hundvonkrieg Same here!!! I can't believe they don't do that anymore!!! That just FLAT OUT SUCKS!!!! Why the HELL did they stop making that available!!!!??? Probably some stupid FAA regulation I guess.
JFK is my home airport. its pretty f#$%@!g big
The longest takeoff run ever. I don't think I've even seen an A340 or 747 take this long to get off the ground, on a 16 hour flight. Was he only using two engines or something?
@skyguy414 Im pretty sure they dont (or at least in england) but im pretty sure you would either get bored or crap yourself because the pilot is shouting MAYDAY MAYDAY
I miss the B-727-100/200 flew them many times, to bad thhefolks living around airports complained about noise like they aslo did to the B-737-100/200 if you dont like aircraft noise, you shouldnt build near a airport or buy a house near one as well,jets were supposed to be loud on the outside,thats why they were call jets! bring back the 727,same bacisc design but instead of three engines, make it a twin jet
mainer48
Stupid idea. Bet you voted for Trump.
The stupidest idea is to build or purchase near an active airport with jets taking off and landing all day and night. No need for airlines to spend unnecessary money on crap to make planes quite and dull because people didn't have sense enough to buy and build away from the airport. My friend lives near BWI and we love watching them and guessing the sounds to match the aircraft type
I think the complaints are probably less about takeoffs and the people who live near the airport and more about landings and people who live rather far away and are still under the approach path. For takeoffs noise abatement makes noise not really much of a problem. But airplanes (especially older ones with less power) need to use a lot of thrust at low speeds and might be making considerable noise even 20 or 30 miles away from the airport. I live in Hastings, on the approach path to MSP, which is about 25 miles away - and it's right at the point where they start dropping high lift devices and powering up. They're pretty low around here already.
I don't mind the noise, and I actually really miss the DC-9s and MD80s flying over my house, but I can see how some people might. Nowadays the closest thing to the old jets I get to see is the odd 717 or MD11. I used to see MD10s but those are gone now too. It's all Airbuses and 737s now. C-130s are about the most excitement I get around here these days!
that's when flying was safe as he'll not know your at your own risk