Should Ja Morant be suspended for flashing gun on IG Live? | NBA | SPEAK
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- Ja Morant was suspended from Memphis Grizzlies activities after flashing a gun on his friend's Instagram Live. He issued an apology shortly accepting responsibility for his actions. Commissioner Adam Silver said that he was 'shocked' by the video and is 'assuming the worst' when discussing repercussions. Emmanuel Acho, Joy Taylor, LeSean McCoy and Ric Bucher debate on whether Ja should be suspended or not.
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Nah..
YB got all types of music not just killing music lots 🐍
Stop calling him a kid because if he commits a crime today he’s going to jail with adults. So stop the kid talk.
Facts
They’re speaking in terms of maturity! He’s very obviously still a kid which isn’t an excuse but it’s just the truth Ja is very immature!
Exactly that kid excuse is BS he willingfully ignoring the consequences. I was young and made stupid decisions but when I got pulled aside and told the outcome to my continued movement I moved differently. JA SIMPLY REFUSES TO LEARN
Ohh he's a kid alright ..
Yeah he's an adult , but he's a kid in the sense of his lack of maturity and lack of acknowledgement and awareness of what he's doing ..
Really can't believe people are making excuses for ja it's not the gun for me it's the setting if he was at a gun range instead of a car wearing gang colors no one would care joy and jalen rose need to stop making excuses for him and stop saying what if someone else did it. When no one has done it because no one else is this dumb 😂
Shady is wack for this. Nobody is saying cancelling him. It’s a punishment and accountability. He’s not a child
Yes, moronic
Eagles fan, Shady stayed in some low key trouble a lot. But, this is different.
Exactly! No accountability! He didn’t break law? What? It’s not about breaking a law, he’s part of a billion dollar business and if they don’t want that image they have every right to discipline him.
Shady reads Joy's notes and try to repeat them unfortunately he doesn't know how to talk them out and end up tripping all over himself
Was the gun illegal? If not, what did he do wrong? We live in America. Historically a country built on guns. Gune culture. I really do want to understand what he did wrong.
From 18 - 21 we are considered adults, Ja Morant is not a kid
Next they say he a 34 yr old kid
When why do all these uncover haters and self haters call black players kids!!
Might have a lil kids brain but he's definitely not a kid
I would love to see Shady called Kyle Rittenhouse a kid and shouldn’t be “cancelled”
Was the gun illegal? If not, what did he do wrong? We live in America. Historically a country built on guns. Gune culture. I really do want to understand what he did wrong.
He’s not being punished for having a gun…He’s being punished for flashing the gun again AFTER being told not too…but it happened again.
It makes you really question the Pacers incident now as well. One time, you can easily go, meh bonehead mistake. But then to blatantly do it again, makes me think those were not laser pointers now.
Actually its against the NBA morality clause
Shady got this wrong…..no one’s saying cancel Ja everyone is literally asking for him to get help and if a suspension does that, it is what it is, trying to save him from himself not cancel him. He’s been involved with multiple instances over the last couple months outside of guns.
NOT A SINGLE PERSON SAID THROW JA MORANT away
Just ignore Shady most the time
Cancel this behavior tho
@@LKS-M9323 yeah, he’s not the brightest bulb on the string. His takes are usually subjective too.
Agree 100%, Ja has a grocery list of highly questionable behavior. Ja beat the brakes off a 17 year old who is actually a child by law. I hate people that want to reward bad behavior, Ja earned his lengthy suspension.
The age arguement is pissing me off. Ja needs to be punished, period
This conversation was trash. People arguing all direction. Directionless discussion
Especially because hes a grown adult.
And people in the communities he's trying so hard to emulate are treated as adults as young as 13.
Privelage
If you're old enough to have a kid, you're old enough to know not to act like a kid. 💯
@@productionoutages Rick was the only 1 talking with sense
@@sonikspeed19does he even spend time with his kid?
Stop calling him a kid. He is not.
This is silly! Joy and LeSean are tripping. It's the NBA, THEY MAKE THEY'RE OWN RULES.
Joy is also trippin when she said more than half the US loves guns and worships them. She’s wrong. Most people I know have guns for self protection and that’s it. There’s a loud minority of people who fetishize guns and want to take pictures with them pretending to be a badass. Most people also want some form of gun control to lessen these mass shootings. the only reason it hasn’t happened yet is because we don’t really live in a democracy. The rich gun lobbyists are the ones who make the gun laws and are the reason gun control never makes it through the legislature. Don’t pretend like everyone who owns a gun is an idiot like Kyle Rittenhouse.
@Alexander Marquardt what's the point?
LeSean and joy are Hella wrong and this is why I don't watch this show, they just be talking
Correct
You’re tripping. The NBA CBA doesn’t have rules around this kind of thing.
He plays for the NBA. Which is a private company and they can implement whatever rules they want. If the NBA doesn’t want you to flash guns then don’t flash guns or you won’t play in the NBA. It’s that simple pro guns or not. It’s a private company.
And public company passing out shoe deals bc waving Gun is legit! And canceling Kyrie because they're emotional
that's the point that Joy doesn't get. dumb lady, rme....
Joy and shady really missed the bus. This is his second time he broke NBA policy.
The short bus
Totally agree! Neither one of them (Shady/Joy) can seem to understand the situation at hand. Ja lied to the commissioner, therefore the commissioner has every right to make him feel the pain. Your job told you not to do something, and you did it. You allowed somebody to even videotape you waving a g_n around like an idiot! If I was the commissioner, half the year is gone, and you get real help. What would they be saying if he waved the g_n around and it went off? He doesn’t get it, punishment must come down with harsh reality he is not getting from anyone else.
@@redmanjohnson4616 was just going to say the same thing!
Agree man. They are losing the aspect that he works for the NBA, steroids ain't illegal/law breaking but how many players got the boot from their respective leagues. If you give him a slap on the wrist then your just teaching him that there are no consequences.
Y'all missed the bus. He's a grown man simple as that. Period point blank. Nothing your saying is relevant. Nothing he did was ilegal. Y'all racist.
I want Joy to post an IG live waving a gun around and her expect to keep her job
Exactly
She would blame it on white people and keep her job
@@slimmike56 also do it after 4 incidents threatening people and listening to music about shooting people
Shady miss the point but joy take is the dumbest take ever.
She could... just like Nancy polosky. Do y'all have google ? And joy is black. So you guys are obv missing the point. This is why ja is being dragged thru the mud. Y'all weirdos
The NBA is a company that can make its own rules as it sees fit within the law. If you behave in a way that interferes with the bottom line, they are well within their rights to punish you. Ja is not obligated to follow their rules just as the NBA is not obligated to employ him.
Facts!!💯💯💯. That is what this boils down to. Exactly what you just said.
The NBA can also terminate his contract due to a clause. That millions comes with a responsibility.
Company’s shouldnt have more rights than people do. A company is in fact made up'of people. NBA has obligations also and can’t just do whatever it wants all the time.
I agree. The NBA will kick him out of the league before they would let this behavior continue. What happens if he gets suspended and another video comes out with him doing something ridiculous in the video. I believe The Grizzlies would cut him.
So corporations have rights and people just have privileges? Corporations are composed of people and have to act within the law just like people.
No one said throw him away. Shady going to the extreme and stop calling him a kid
He’s a Kid too them 😂
That’s his way of subtley making excuses for him
@@slimmike56 Exactly
Shady first team glazer of athletes
@@alonzomoon6 this is a complete fact
Analysts like Rick & Colin are giving the logical adult answers to the situation and the newer generation don’t like it.
To busy being woke and politically correct. Acho touched on something that I feel a lot of people are not speaking on. A few years from now if something was to happen to JA , these same people would be saying we should have done more.
Joy put on a clinic on illogical reasoning..
For as much as I agree with Joy's takes, this was a really bad one. Being a bad role model should be (and usually is) not acceptable in sports. Suspension is not a legal repercussion either.
Facts.
Like, would Joy have the same energy here if Lebron, Curry, Giannis, Jokic, Embiid (etc. name any superstar) were waving guns on IG Live? F*** No.
it really was terrible. relatively easy to separate government/politics to a private entity like the NBA
Good take Joy
It's only a bad take now, because politicians are no longer seen as role battles.
Joy has horrible takes , 90% of the time
As a black men suspend him a year. Take his spot light away. The kids luv Ja. Don’t need them trying to be like him. That’s the problem in our community lack of accountability
Facts
They see it everyday on rap videos, IG, movies, video games. But this is now crossing the line?
@@tikka300wsm5 At your work, if you were shown on social media with a weapon, the company who is slated to pay you 200 million dollars, would not fire you?
Facts
Well said
Shady said “I could see if he hurt someone or aimed the beam at someone” as if Ja hasn’t done all of those things already 😂
Well to be fair those are allegedly, I agree he should be punished, but provide evidence he actually hurt someone or pointed a beam at someone I'll wait🙃
@@samkellogg2805 you’re right there is no evidence but with all of his past actions including the ones with his mom it’s hard to give him the benefit of the doubt
Wait, there is evidence he pointed a beam at someone? The Pacers in Indiana? There's video evidence! Just no evidence if it was attached to a firearm because it was too dark in the interior of the vehicle. And the more Ja keeps flashing his firearm in the randomest of places, the more credit is given that Ja WAS strapped while pointing a laser at the Indiana Pacers as they got on their bus
@@samkellogg2805so they made it up?
@@DUNGSTA police investigated and found nothing illegal
Joy lost me
Lately she's been talking erratically and people have ignored it. This time it's right in your face that her thought process is very off
Right...smh
@@markmcfarland2579 agreed.
she's an idiot. it's not a constitutional/legal issue, smh....
LONG AGO!!
When kids are raised to never have repercussions for their actions this is what happens. Shady is being thoughtful but he doesn’t get that. I’m suspending him for over a year if It was me. I would be sending the loudest message possible. “You will not be behaving in any shape or form that is detrimental to our league or yourself.” Simple as that.
what would be more detrimental is you not playing ur star player. ppl not coming to games you not making $
@@oldheed515 yup
@@oldheed515 they got a bunch of stars around the league, KD, lebron, embid, jokic,curry,luka etc. so stop with the excuses
@@RAY22 are those guys all on Memphis? you think the fans in memphis gonna buy season tickets if ja not gonna be on the floor, courtside tickets will drop dramatically
@Old Heed are you excusing his behavior
There's a difference between responsible gun ownership and irresponsible gun ownership. Ja has been displaying irresponsible gun ownership.
Nailed it 🔨
A lot of people use guns as a symbol not just rappers/wanna be rappers, people worship guns in this country. Guns should be used as a form of protection or if you are a hunter a tool. But people love and worship guns and see them as power. BUT the NBA is his employer and if they say you can't display guns and you do it there has to be consequences.
Joy needs to keep in mind the age group of kids that follow Ja
Joy is here for a pretty face not for good takes
Man mfs got parents it ain't nobody else hob but the parent's to raise there kids
@@pacerscolts1234 go back to your mum's basement, loser!
So what??? It is an inalienable right to be able to protect yourself. He isn't the parents. My kids can see that and not bat an eye, because I raise my kids. Not some famous person.
Facts💯. A lot of people that are talking like Joy about this segment don’t understand the millions of kids that follow and emulate Ja. Kids will follow people they look up to without thought. Ja is brandishing a weapon and making it cool to show it off and brag with it… nonsense. This generation is crazy I swear.
It’s simple IMO. This is his 7th TIME. He knows the consequences but doesn’t care. Some ppl cant be changed.
7th time that we know of.
7? Second 😂😂😂
The “consequences” haven’t really been consequences. Yeah, he lost out on a lot of money this season cause he missed some qualifiers, but the team still bent over backwards to try to “keep him out of trouble”. But other then that, he’s still able to play basketball by just waiting it out and giving a quick apology. You want people to learn, make the consequences actually consequential. It’s just not really done anymore because talent overpowers all in sports. Kind of like having money. You have these things, people will look the other way or make it go away. There are rarely any real consequences given out to them.
@@russelljohnson437 incidents with security, pacers, fighting a kid, showing up at high school events as backup
Ja is NOT the irreplaceable face of the NBA. The NBA can survive without Ja. People are motivated by two things, pleasure and pain. This time around the pain has to be severe enough that it overwhelms the pleasure he gets in waving a gun around.
Honestly, I’m amused people think he would be the face of the NBA anyway, you are not the face of the NBA until you win championships
Facts
@@kashanti1 or at least win the MVP or something, he has zero accomplishments that should put him in that elite category (unless you want to consider flashy play as an accomplishment by itself)
@@kashanti1 he was top 5 i think in mvp one year. besides. he will be a contender for that award and the chip as long as he remains a contender in the west. he is top 10 in jersey sales and top 10 in all star voting right now and will remain there for the foreseeable future. if he isnt a face, he will be.
If he enteres the slam dunk contest he will save face.
“What law is he breaking” bruh this is the 6th instance of foolishness and immaturity.. it’s not about a law, he went from beating ppl up, to pointing red dots, to flexing the gun on IG
He is a criminal
Ikr😂I mean he's really lucky he didn't get locked up for beating up the 17 year old. Maybe because the 17 year old is considered grown in the eyes of the law? If so then why are we treating Ja like he's a child at 23? Interesting question isn't it?
@@chrisrenshaw6291 He’s a wannabe criminal. But he’s one click from becoming a criminal. Sometimes we have to save people from themselves.
Flexing the gun just adds credit that the red dots at the Pacers very likely was on a gun.. cause he seems to ALWAYS be strapped
He's creating a image that he is a hostile individual who can't control himself and now he showed the league he can't be trusted at his word. So now they gonna most likely assume the lazers pointed at the pacers were from Guns and he will get a lengthy punishment because they are about player safety and unfortunately Ja created to image that he's potentially a unsafe individual. PERCEPTIONS Key here people
What joy is doing is mixing politics with sports
that's what all media does, it's exhausting, acting like any sort of "legislature" would change the issue in our society, it wouldn't but they love pushing that democratic narrative
Politics are already mixed with sports bud. National anthem
She's anti gun so her argument makes NO sense
She has solid takes but sometimes she tries to sprinkle in politics and talk bs this one was dumb
@@TDR-0484 She's like Dave Zirin, real far left sportswriter who's appeared on different shows and wrote columns for several magazines and books. He was always super anti-gun and wrote about it several times. Yet when Plaxico Burress shot himself in the leg at that NYC club (not only endangering people around him....but committing a felony having an unlicensed handgun in NY at the time), Zirin all of the sudden was pleading for prosecutors to go easy on him. Lol. I say all this as a mostly liberal person (although I do own some guns), but there's always some cognitive dissonance when it comes to guns with some folks.
That was the worst conversation pertaining to this subject I’ve heard. I’m assuming Charles Barkley was talking about Shady and Joy when he referred to the fools talking on this subject. Absolute lunacy on this show.
Had to be them or Nick Wright/JJ Redick....or maybe all of them. Lol.
Totally agree... It had to be them
At some point Ja needs to grow UP!!! The NBA will discipline him for a second time it’s coming….!!
Guy gets paid millions of dollars to play ball and all they ask is not to wave a gun considering he's a role model for many and what he does waves a gun again, and you guys make him look like he's a victim. Wtf
lol right. embarrassing segment for this show today
Maybe it's old footage
That’s the internet these days they will literally defend a mass murderer at this point
That is right they play him to play. It is none of their business what he does when he is not playing ball,
And things will get much worse..stupidity continues to grow. Society is regressing at a rapid pace.
As a Philly fan, I disagree with Shady. Covering Ja does him no favors. Shady is wrong!
Ja needs to be held accountable for his actions period. Ja is a GROWN MAN! 💯👊🏿
Joy, are you kidding me!?!?
If you brandish a gun on IG Live you mean to tell me that Fox would be okay with that?
I love how anti gun people like joy are now saying its not that big of a deal. If you knew anything about guns you would know how unsafe it is to dance with a loaded gun. Even if its unloaded its just a very bad look. Not to mention the gang aspect, which the NBA as a private corporation is not going to appreciate being associated with. Ridiculous argument from her.
Wow you tried really hard to misunderstand her point. She’s saying in the context of this country the outrage is overblown. Particularly when gun owners turn a blind eye to kindergartners getting popped in their heads every blue moon
I don't think she speaks for anti-gun people
NBA allows players to throw up gang signs during games
Her attitude would be different if the guy was white
U miss her point..
usually rock with joy, but that was an L take
Facts
Truth
I said the same Joy is usually on point 100000% since she’s been on tv but this one she sounds quite silly.
Agreed
Absolutely
Shady said Ja hasn't harmed anyone to get higher punishment and Joy said people flash guns all the time so it's part of the culture now. I've never heard a dumber take
Neither one of them told a lie so idk why it's dumb lol of course it's not a good look to flash a gun for no reason but the problem is bigger than Ja Morant
They should’ve vetted Joys answer before she started spewing that nonsense. Her answer was based on her political feelings and not the subject. No one cares that he did it. This is not a gun rights issue. It’s the fact that this man has been acting out for a solid 8 months and figuring out what they need to do to rein him in because he REPRESENTS THE ENTIRE NBA with his actions. Stay on topic.
thank you! i was looking for this comment and you worded it ten times better than i could have. i especially feel this way cause im conservative and they're always injecting politics that i disagree with and even talking bad about us. joy said the other day," some people in the country doesn't care about people getting killed" when discussing the ja gun situation. i think we know she was clearly injecting her political views in there.
Her political beliefs is she is anti gun. So if her answer was just political, wouldn't she want Ja to be suspended?
@@uria2001 she’s not trying to change policies. She’s bitching that “the whole country ignores the gun problem so why bother Ja”
Vetted? What happened to free speech? Oh it's okay as long as it's about opinions you like? Got it.😅👍🏼
I agree with you completely
Horrific takes by Joy and Shady. I can’t even.
Absolutely horrendous!
Good takes by Joy.....keep the same energy for EVERYONE
Their racism towards white people showed, for the 1st and only time ever, I feel bad for Ric because If he were to stick up for himself, he would be cancelled immediately
@@dominickmartino3267 everyone isn't employed by the NBA and has moral clauses in their contracts. So no.
@@dominickmartino3267 ... Very bad take
Gilbert Arenas was suspended a whole year because of guns... Joy made the discussion into something else.
Her kids run all over her lol
Gilbert brought a gun to the facility
He had guns inside a locker room that’s the biggest difference
Even though Gilbert had the weapon on property. It’s more about enough is enough and who has to get hurt for something to be done. Just not a good look as a Billion $$$ industry
No he wasn’t. Gilbert spoke on this. Do your research.
Basically Shadys take is he hasn't hurt anyone. This is what I hate about society, someone has to get hurt before action is taken. Why can't we punish someone severely BEFORE someone gets hurt?
Stupidity. That Shady guy is oozing with it.
Joy is what's wrong with today media. It's ridiculous..
And Shady
She definitely is...
Joy made a complete 360 from her previous take
She female
Acho and Slick are the only ones that had a rational argument
Are we really going with this narrative? I miss Marcellus.
facts, show went down the tube when they wouldn't pay him what he was worth
Preach!
He has his own show/podcast here on CZcams
Definitely...
Soooooo, since when did 23yrs old be considered as "a kid"?
When it became a talking point for their arguments lol, outside of these awful awful takes, nobody thinks 23 is a kid.
What she's not understanding is this time, it's just not about him showing the gun on IG live... its moreso that the NBA told him to not do it and he went and did it again. THATS why everyone is upset at him. As a person in a professional sport, you are expected to uphold an image and remain professional on and off the court especially in this time where there is a lot of media. The same as most of our jobs, especially corporate jobs.
“What crime did he commit?! “
“It’s our culture”
“Politicians send Christmas cards posing with guns!”
“Owning a gun I not illegal “
“He is a kid!”
“Stop with trying to cancel him”
“I was just as bad, it’s not that big of deal”
“Punishment needs to fit the crime”
Ya he got 8 games but he is young, and rich. He does not understand
Gee, I wonder why Ja does not change his behavior . Everyone is circling the wagon and playing defense for him. Joy even trying to make this a political issue. This is an absolute horrible take and I hope Ja figures it out.
Ja needs to enter the dunk contest
next time you are late to work, tell your boss "did i break the law tho?" 🤔🤔
23 is not a kid! He is a full grown adult. Yeah he is young but he is not a kid. MF has a kid
Facts
Kids have kids everyday genius.
Bro these guy glaze over Ja.He can’t do nothing wrong.simple
NBA doesn’t want him waving guns.
Ja works for the NBA
Gave him a warning
He did it again ?
Did I miss something ?
Also he is a kid until he gets a contract then he the man.
Facts💯. Joy and Shady sound like complete idiots on this topic honestly. I’m shocked by what I’m hearing.
@@ike.o6944 Absolutely ridiculous argument by them. I’m not allowed to buy alcohol in my uniform. Is it legal for me to buy alcohol… yes. However it is not allowed by my employer and I will lose my job if it’s found out I do that. That’s a similar situation here it’s very simple. This man exposed himself he wasn’t busted by the tabloids!
If anyone posted a video of themselves in a car waving a gun they would be fired when their employer saw it 😂
This show will be cancelled soon. What was Joy talking about? And Shady McCoy is the ultimate “want to be from the hood guy”. He sees nothing wrong because he wants to keep his “hood cred”
Facts
Lol just shut up and then this meat rider making you feel like you said facts .. ya didn’t
I agree. Idk what joy was saying and shady is 🤡
Man where Wiley
Lol do you know where shady is even from? Or just talking spicy?
Joy didn’t do her homework
She never does
Why is she speaking on laws? Has he been charged? The NBA is not the law. However, they are a private industy and they have the right to hold their employees to whatever standard they choose. Why is that so hard for you to understand Joy?
Rare HORRIBLE take by Joy
Most of them are
@@venericanone nah. She’s usually spot on. But this was just ridiculous. Also, they keep forgetting that he literally threatened & almost fought teenagers MULTIPLE times already.
She's mostly always horrible
For conduct detrimental to the image of the NBA... JA Morant should be suspended!!!
WTF is this conversation? He was given the privilege to come into NBA and play in front of hundreds of millions of people around the world, make money, compete for prestigious trophies, etc. In exchange he has to abide by the code of conduct that he agreed to (and was validated by player association, so it's not even dictated from one side) or suffer consequences.
It's not about criminality, but holding someone accountable for what they agreed to. Criminal justice system is for legality of actions, but this is a contract that he agreed to, violated, agreed not to violate again and got CAUGHT 2 months later.
We can guess forever what's going on in his head forever, but really that's his job to align his actions with his responsibilities
He should be suspended the "ENTIRE SEASON" period.
If it was David stern hed already have it
Nahhhhhhhhh
@@Durag__bandit98 David would’ve suspended him 20-25 games back in March. Perhaps we’re not in this situation if Adam had suspended him more harshly back in March. But now, he has to punish for this incident and make up for what he didn’t do back in March. 1 year? I don’t know if I can go that far. 41 games, absolutely. To me, thats the floor.
Playoffs too?
I feel 41 games is right.. 25 is too low. Wouldn't be mad at 82 but I doubt it happens
It's the IMAGE OF THE NBA!!! AND NO ONE IS BIGGER THEN THE NBA THE GAME WILL MOVE ON WITH OR WITHOUT YOU NO MATTER HOW GOOD YOU ARE......
Right I don’t know why they keep bringing up politicians and music . He has an employer.
@JV1286 seriously do people not understand its literally common sense lol
@@JXiong-zo8ig people are trying to complicate it for headlines . The man lied to the commissioners face after they went light on him . If David stern was the commish and that happened . Ja would get a year and he would tell ja if you do it again you’re out the league because trust me you can be replaced . I bet you ja wouldn’t do it again lol .
it seems like McCoy is still a kid
So shady doesn't know what the answer is to get him to understand, but he also says it shouldn't be a year suspension. He always sayin' some dumb shxt. 🤣🤣🤣
Shady isn’t the brightest dude, it’s pretty obvious
He was raised in a middle class family and was a phenom at basketball, so everybody (including his mom and dad) treated him like he could do no wrong because he was a basketball star. Now he's grown and has no respect for what he's earned or the people who were supposed to raise him right or the league that he got into so easily
Ehh still tho lebron was literally poor and treated like a star as well and his old friends were apart of a gang before he cut them off cuz he knew that life has consequences. Even demar was in a gang in LA but the minute he got an opportunity never looked back man. Ja knows theirs consequences I just don’t get why he’s doing this fr
Ja morant is telling all the kids that look up to him, that it’s cool to post guns on ig live, and when someone’s kid get hurt doing the same thing Ja did, now we have a problem
Would you let your kids listen to Juice WRLD? He had guns, rode around flashing them in non legal states and was associated with actual dangerous gang members(NLMB) and was a drug addict and dissed the dead regularly he’s in Spider-Man movie kids sing his songs all the time. Ja did nothing wrong or illegal 🤡
joy doesn’t understand this..shes one of those “well he can get away with it” type people
It not Ja morant job to parent and be role models for kids you had Charles Barkley said he not a role model at the peak of his career you have multiple nba players in the past who post pictures with them holding and it doesn’t matter if they were home or a gun range
All these rap artists glorifying guns and retaliation like NBA Youngboy, why aren’t the record labels executives or Social media executives being held accountable for allowing that garbage to be spread over the airwaves and internet? Louis Farakkan, someone I’m not a fan of, said in 1986 that music would eventually get so bad it would warp the minds of our Blk youths. And…he was right! It is destroying our youth’s undeveloped minds. There are 4th grade kids rolling around with tattoos now because they’re emulating their favorite rappers/athletes. And Ja is foolishly falling into the same trappings
@@jeffersondesrosiers5921 just because you dont want to be a role model, doesnt make you not a role model. And because his platform is a privelage, they can take it away. No one is going to listen to Ja on the And1 mixtape tour.
Problem I have with Joe & shady is they aren’t wrong with what they are saying. Our politicians do promote and use guns very openly but those people aren’t playing in the NBA. I agree that shows the type of people we elect and that’s a whole different issue but these two are missing the whole point here. Ja is breaking NBA rules and as a second offender he should be suspended heavily.
Its not cancel Shady ! You now have active L.A. gang members that are talking about him. Throwing up C and Rolling 60's when they know he is not about that culture. He is putting himself and his family at danger.
Yeah Bric Baby cause Ja throwing up crip signs Joy & Shady prolly let they kids run over them saying that 😂 stupid. He violated conduct policy
Kyrie didn’t break any laws. Where was the support for him.
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Facts
Hard facts!!
Ja boutta lose his Nike deal soon I hope
He spoke against the establishment, that’s why
Joy please don’t sound crazy because I am really a fan. The brand was assaulted by Ja and they must retaliate.. You say something on your show and see hat happens. Unwritten rules are a real thing..
Joy needs help
Joy not making sense right now. Imma have to tune her out on this one.
Full season suspension. Allow the Memphis to consider cutting him and money given returned. He is a grown man it is a privilege to be in the league. He is hurting the brand the league which hurts the money period.
His abilities are why he's in the league, it's not a privilege. But once again the NBA is his employer and if they told Ja he can't flash guns or there will be consequences, now he will have to face the consequences.
@@17thN.O You can find out very fast that it’s privilege, because there is only one NBA and he have those same abilities playing in Taiwan. Just watch.
HE IS NOT A KID. He is young, yes. He’s no child so stop. Young people are suppose to make mistakes and learn from them. Doing the same thing that got you suspended from your job 45 days ago is not learning from your mistakes. It’s challenging folks to give you harsher repercussions for making the same mistake again.
Why do people keep comparing this with politics? The NBA is a private company and if it deems Ja's actions as a bad look then by all means Ja needs to get in line and get with the program or suffer the consequences. Ja needs to stop pretending to be hood hes a suburbs kid
The people that use that argument always rely on the “but what about…” argument which is as weak as it gets. It’s like saying “Joe killed three people so my favorite athlete who killed only two people is no big deal.”
He violated company policy! Stop being political. If your company weather its the NBA or Home Depot tells you not to do something because it violates their standards, if you want privilege to continue working there then you shouldn't do it. If you decide to do it anyway then be man or woman enough to accept the punishment. I do agree that this young man needs help maybe Tony Dungy or Tony Robbins but, Making excuses for him is not going to solve his problems.
It's interesting everyone on this panel keeps calling him a kid. Well think about this. This is a kid playing with a gun
These people are the reason why these kids don’t care about nothing he needs consequences period
These are the type who only care about black people when they're killed by a white cop.. Buy the normal mass shooting that go on everyday in the hood . They just ignore
Ric Bucher is the only one making sense.
Ricky is right! The punishment wasn't enough... Most men won't come to therapy unless his back is against the wall, has 1 foot in and 1 foot out or given an ultimatum... Some chose to continue in their ways to their detriment and some change to get better...
Does Acho really believe Ja wrote that statement?
I was thinking the same thing
Very sincere
“You not nba young boi, you nba dumb boy!” - kwame brown
I'm sorry, but things like playing with guns in public, and pointing one at the Indiana Pacers are a lot more serious than fighting your coach, or going into the stands to punch a fan.
Shady said I can see myself and relate but I wouldn’t do that thou. Hmmmm! He harmed that 17 year old kid No? He made a incident at a mall no? When is it enough so say one day Ja will hurt someone? Making excuses for a 23 year old is crazy. Lots of people get fired from their jobs for breaking policy.
it really sounded like Shady and Joy came unprepared to talk on this topic
Ja is their boy
Someone get joy out of here.
Black people we want people to take us seriously..... And YES everyone can have their own opinions and perspectives.... But when the majority of those opinions always lean on the side of ZERO accountability, then it becomes hard to take anything serious 🤷🏿♂️
He didn't do anything wrong the optics yeah they look off but you acting like it putting guns to faces or something
@@shawnsmith9820 he did do something wrong otherwise this wouldn't be an issue. The optics are what he did wrong. People need to stop conflating issues that he didn't do anything illegal.
@@Pharaoh- optics is subjective , he didn't do anything wrong the league just want there players to be pastors/ and choir boys a country that literally takes pride in baring arms have a problem when a American bare arms is a crazy idea in its selc
Who you think they listening to every day before school or game or any activity they are apart of RAPPERS WHO RAP ABOUT GUNS AND DISPLAY GUNS IN THEIR VIDEOS
YEAH LIKE WOMEN 😂😆 LACK OF ACCOUNTABILITY!
The first suspension was a joke… Ja should feel the punishment for him to realize that he should not be doing the things he’s doing.
Forgot that they pointed the beam at people before this. Shady your agreement may have been good if it was the first time but he's done multiple things
There’s a penalty to pay for stupidity
Gosh I can’t stand joy Taylor
facts, can't believe they replaced marcellus for her....her takes are always so political and extremely left leaning....it's exhausting
Bro, "what did he do?" 😂 Seriously?
Shady tripping Ja has had like 4 or 5 gun incidents. When you’re the 200 mil face of a franchise you have to be suspended to send a message. Celebrating gang gun culture when 1000s of black kids are being slaughtered is nothing to shrug off.
His words don’t mean anything for getting in trouble for the same thing twice 🤦🏽♂️
23 yr old kid is an oxymoron.
I agree
The fact that this was even a question for a debate shows how out of touch some people are.
At 22 years old idk?! Shady, at 22 years old you’re telling me it’s not a bad thing to wave a gun around??? Come on man there’s a difference. Keep in mind I am 22 years old, and I know that is wrong to do.
Ja gonna end up in a body bag if y’all keep letting this dude be dumb smh sit this dude down let some big bros speak to him and figure what’s really going on
totally. Have not enough black american men killed each other yet? So we have to add in one that earns *FIFTY MILLION A YEAR* ? He'll be 24 when he comes back still can have 15 further years of career and might just save his life too.
If that ever happens, Joy and Shady's going to drop more dumb takes about how the NBA did nothing or was too soft
Shady acting like this is his first or even second time demonstrating behavior detrimental to the league or more so detrimental to himself. He’s a grown man making decisions that are trending to a bad situation. And shady suggest he gets treated like a child smh.
He has twice now broken the league moral clause that he signed & agreed too. That’s what he done wrong lady!
It’s weird because just a day before she said the complete opposite.
It's not just about the g_n people. There are a number of issues that Jah has been tied to off the court. We are not privy to everything the NBA front office and Grizzlies ownership is aware of. The NBA has always had a hard stance on g_ns. Gilbert Arenas basically lost his whole career because of g_ns. It's not a joke. Gambling is not illegal, but in the world of sports, it is a very bad thing. We saw what happened to the greatest baseball player in MLB history if you ask me Pete Rose. These leagues have policies. All players are aware of these policies. There are multi-billion deals being done with other corporations. You can't have the young stars of the league doing the things Jah is doing, and I will remind you we don't know the whole story. All I know it's not just about a g_n.
Exactly you can’t do that at NO JOB without being fired. The NBA is no different!
What are you saying. WHO CARES ABOUT THE WHOLE STORY!! If his HOME life does this...The FANS DON'T NEED TO SEE IT IN A VIDEO! He doesn't deserve to play in the NBA..
I can agree with that. We don't know what the league knows. The NBA has the FBI following the players and eventually it will all come out. Especially if he gets kicked out the league or commit a serious crime.
Sports bylaws have no double jeopardy. Pat Beverly shoves Ayton and gets a heavier suspension because of his “past history.” Ja should get a heavier suspension because of his “past history.” Clearly he feels the rules do not apply to him. If this was the NFL, conduct detrimental, he’d get 8 games or half a season. He should get half a season in the NBA. If this was the ONLY incident, and we don’t have a Colorado Night club incident, or the Footlocker incident, or the Volleyball game incident, or the Pacers laser incident, or the beating up a 17-year-old incident…lets focus on getting him help. I still feel the focus should be on getting him help, but you’re not playing NBA basketball until you do.
Ja gonna get a lentghtly suspension because he's had multiple incidents in what like a year multiple of which there was an alleged gun present. Now you creating the image that you potentially could be a hostile individual who has no self control. NOT SAYING HE IS but that's the impression people are getting and the league isn't gonna have someone like that representing them. They not saying Ja you can't have a gun they saying don't post it and stop flashing it . The main reason they are gonna come down on him is cus the lazers pointed at the pacers. Silver had a talk with him and you do it again . So now your showing not only could you be potentially hostile and unable to control yourself but now you can't be trusted at your word either. So now even if they gave Ja the benefit like he's just a kid blah blah blah they are gonna look at it like well he clearly can't be trusted at his word or reached verbally
Unless Ja has a concealed carry permit what he did is actually called an unlawful carry….. nonetheless, this argument isn’t about the law. It’s about the fact that Ja is a wannabe gangster who was told he can’t wave tools around on the internet but he did it again. It’s an argument about him being an irresponsible and immature idiot as opposed to a criminal. In fact, Ja would probably be hype if people started calling him a criminal 😂
I highly doubt there’s anything in his contract about being a “wanna be gangster” or irresponsible and immature that would warrant a suspension
Idk about Tennessee but you don’t need a concealed carry permit to have a gun in your car in Florida. Now if he were driving, it would need to be enclosed, but it didn’t look like he was in motion, and there’s no way to prove he was from that video. There’s also no way to prove he was in Tennessee, soo
Not required where he lives which is why law enforcement response is that he did nothing illegal. This is a brand issue and potentially player safety.
@@miketaylor4788 not the contact idiot he's talking bout when he met with the commission about the first situation 🤦🏿♂️
Sounds like he was in an open carry state. Means you are openly carrying your gun visibly.
1. The NBA has specific bylaws and rules that prohibit the display of firearms by players, coaches, and other personnel associated with the league. Ja may not be breaking a law, but he is breaking NBA rules. Therefore he is subject to penalty.
2. Ja Morant is not a "kid". Stop infantilizing him by repeatedly calling him a "kid". He's a grown man.
Joy has mastered the act of playing dumb lmao smh
The amount of bad takes this entire segment and panel has my head spinning. Except for the white guy (sorry I don't know his name)
Seriously, they act like the dude works a 9 to 5 and isn't representing a league that millions watch. Come to think of it, I can't think of many athletes posing with guns.
Those nice contracts come with a price in terms of public appearance.
Thank you Rick and Acho for making them shut up
What Joy miss is that Ja plays in the NBA and the NBA is a public trust. You sign an NBA contract and much like any other contract there is a MORAL CLAUSE in it. To whom a lot is given much is expected, and rightfully so in keeping with contractual obligations you are expected to conduct yourself in a fashion that will not put the NBA in a bad light especially with gun violence in the US in record breaking numbers.