Piper Cherokee Annual Cost! | The Annual Inspection On A Piper Cherokee 180.
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- In today's video I go over the annual on our Piper Cherokee. All in all it was a little more expensive than I was hoping, but that's to be expected in aviation. Enjoy!
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16:22 - Actual total
Thanks you. Jesus.
@@kjmdrumz3 ...because you're doing SO much with your time.
You're off about 8 seconds. It's 16:30 for the total.
not all heroes wear capes my friend. I wish I would have read your comment first.
I bought a 1961 Piper Colt that belonged to an A&P/IA for $7,500. He had passed away and his wife was selling it after 4 years of sitting. It took $4k to get the plane airworthy again, BUT, she had included the price of the annual in that $7,500. So I got a 2 place, fun little bird for the grand total of $11,500.
I watch a lot of aviation videos and you have shown a lot of things about inspection and annuals all the other videos don’t show. I think showing this type of content will grow your channel. Great video.
Awesome, thank you!
Glad to see you still have it and keeping up with it! Great annual video. Happy flying!
Thanks, glad you like it!
Thanks for the thorough description about what all goes into an annual!!
Honestly when you were going through the list I was thinking it was going to be more than that. I'm used to 182 annuals being over 3-4lk Sometimes over 10 :( Nice to hear your doing it safe and getting everything replaced that you need too. Thanks for the video!
Wow thats seems pretty steep for a 182. I guess they are quite a bit more complex then a 180.
3-4 LK? What monetary unit is lk?
that was very well explained thanks and very interesting. you did very well young Sir and very best wishes and happy flying from NZ
Thank you very much for the transparency man! Definitely appreciate it!
Absolutely! Hope it helps you out!
Hey Sammy, it was a great video. Not having any idea how much something like an annual would cost, I was anticipating it to be much more. I was blown away that it was only a little over $2600, especially considering labor alone was $1500. I guess everything is relevant. When you take your car or truck into the shop and it has problems to be fixed, it’s always the labor that is going to kill you more than the cost of the parts. I’ll bet you’re going to feel a difference going down the taxiway in the runway with those nice new rubber tires! There’s nothing like nice new rubber tires on any vehicle to make you feel safe. Especially in view of the fact that you said your old tires were getting so thin you could almost see the air pressure inside of them. Not a good thing when you’re at speed on the runway just about approaching rotate speed and you get a tire blowout. That could be a disaster. Great video Sammy, catch you on the next one buddy. Fly safe…
Thanks for the comment! Yeah it isn't that bad to get a annual done on a Cherokee, and it should only get cheaper from here! Definitely going to feel a difference taxiing, because he rebuilt the shimmy dampener as well. That should make a big difference! Thanks for the comment! Merry Christmas!
Here is a tip for you. Take your plane in for annual during the last few days of the month. If it is signed off during the first few days of the next month, you can get nearly 13 months of use before the next annual is due.
Next time you have it apart, take a mirror and flashlight and look up the inside of the rudder post for rust/corrosion. Or use an inspection camera. Do not lay your headset on top of the panel. I know of a Cherokee Six that ruined a new windshield by leaving a headset up there in the hot summer sun. It left a distorted spot that was blamed on me leaving a drop light there. I showed the customer my fluorescent drop light I use for inspections that does not get hot.
Thanks for the tip! I think the annual was due the last of November, so that is what we did. I don't know what date it was signed off though, I need to look at that. Merry Christmas!
A little advice, if your pulling the tanks you'll save a ton if you remove the screws. You'll need a drill and 1/8" bit as most screws will be rusted in. Your mechanic will thank you as you'll take on the nightmare. The Piper 180 is a great acft. It's cheap to operate and is a decent hauler. It's an honest bird and will tell you when you get in trouble. I have around 780 hrs in type
Awesome! Thanks for the tips!
And use new hardware, new screws, washers, clamps, fittings, nuts & bolts. Well worth the effort & makes removal easier in future inspections & maintenance.
Use a small cutoff wheel, making straight screw driver slots , they will turn right out !!
Well done my man. I agree on replacing when in doubt. It's your life after all. Can't put a price on that. Thanks for this vid.
thanks for your candid reveal of the cost
My pleasure 😊
I am a Pilot, APIA. It always tweaks me when customers are upset at 100/hr. Meanwhile the shop rate for a Toyota dealership in my same zip is 120. When I broach this they normally stop complaining. Owning a plane is not cheap, never has been, never will be. The rates are fixing to rise as it is becoming nearly impossible to source and retain good mechanics, keeping them on team general aviation is very hard when the same AP cert will open doors to legacy 121 carriers who are also starving for skilled labor, offering more money, and often times easier work.
Are these same carriers at those same GA airports? Or are they mostly at Class B airports?
Hey Samuel, Well as you are finding out anything "Airplane" is pricey, but safety first as you mentioned should be any aviators theme! just know also that the more complex the aircraft the bigger the price tag for parts and labor. Fortunately for guys though you have your Father helping out and that is a godsend for helping control the check book. My 30K ATP Dad always said that an airplane was a rich kids game! True perhaps, but what man-child doesn't want to have one ';-) Merry Christmas and thanks for this video~See Ya!
Thanks for the comment! It definitely saves us some money to have my dad helping, so very thankful for that! Merry Christmas!
spoiler; it's $2660,- at 16:30 in the video
I owned a cherokee for a few years. It was a great little plane and I really enjoyed flying it. The one time of the year I woudl always get anxious was annual time. I was lucky and my average annual cost ended up being around $1200. I had one expensive year that ended up being over double my average but rest of the years were fine. Still... I always got anxious at annual time. Sold the plane for more than I paid for it and still think about it often.
Wow...great price. I own a 1968 Cherokee 180 D very similar to yours. I love my plane but my annuals were not cheap. Nothing in aviation is. That was upstate NY. I’m looking forward to a few less costly annuals down here in sunny florida. But at the end of the day you can’t put a price on piece of mind ( I keep telling myself that)
Definitely agree! You can't put a price on safety. Hopefully it's cheaper for you in Florida!
My most expensive annual on my old cherokee was $4000.00. Average was $1.500.00. I don’t miss the stress! Thanks for the memories.
Was it retractable gear?
No problem! Glad you enjoyed the video!
That wingspar AD first requires a logbook review to calculate factored service hours. Every Piper I did that for didn't even come close to having any labor needed on it. Also that forward right latch on the engine cowl looks really off. Or is that a camera effect?
I went ahead and gave you a thumbs up!
Awesome thanks!
Good job man
I own a PA-24 Comanche (1958), my average annual inspection cost is about twenty one hundred dollars, and that's just the labor (80$a/h) costs. AD's, upgrades, and/or repairs are extra.
So you're saying they're doing 30 hours of inspection? Seriously think that?
@@dval42ify no. 30 hours of work that was identified by the inspection. If my car goes in for inspection and there are no issues I only pay about $20, but if they find something major it could be hundreds to repair. Or worse
Where did you have this work done? 50 per hour labor is less than most shops.
Very good video. Did you experience the joy of wrestling the rear bench seat in and out of the airplane? I’ve had a Cherokee D since 1990.
I didn't. I'm honestly not even sure if we took it out, I think it folded up enough to get into the spar area that we just left it.
Great video
Thanks!
Shop around. I was at an airport in Florida where my annuals on my Piper Arrow 200 were closing in on $5999. I found another place at a different airport in a small town where for the past five years my annual cost between $1200 - $1500 a year. I buy gas there also, and that saves me at around $59 a tankful.
Glad to hear it. Definitely on the shopping around part... However it is also important to find a balance of a good price while making sure the aircraft is still maintained well.
@@samueltheaviator4802 Over five years of excellent work speaks for itself. The only annual I had that cost more was the last one because I had to replace my Lasar electronic ignition with slick mags. I had the first Lasar in an Arrow, and it worked great for a long time.
You get what you pay for. I have inspected aircraft that were inspected by the same guy for 15 years because it was such a great price. Then I look at the aircraft and find multiple blown ribs, flight controls moving along an axis they should not be, over flown AD's, ICA's that have never been touched, improper STC installations that lead to serious failures, missing documentation. In a nutshell, if the FAA found these planes before I had the pilot and mechanic would no longer have their certs. Then I have to spend hours explaining to the owner that while it is great it FLeW In ThiS wAy, I can not sign off aircraft in these conditions as airworthy. And while your last annual was 500 bucks this one will be $20,000 or I can sign it off unairworthy and best of luck finding an AP disregarding the gripes that are now printed directly into the logs. I always advise my customers to ensure they alternate the IA's who inspect their aircraft to increase safety and likelihood of catching missed items. I would highly recommend doing the same, use the cheap guys, go for two years in a row, then go to the expensive guys and see if there is a difference in what they find, because I guarantee there will be. Respectfully,
G, day 'Samuel the Aviator' from Sydney, Australia.
Thank you for your detailed report on the annual for the piper.
* when filming engine components and inside the fuselage: more bright lighting.
* the wing spar FAA attention: has an AD been issued? Moreover, can you get a borescope (snap-on camera) in via the landing gear housing in the wing? That would eliminate putting inspection plates on.
* did you get an oil change, and, could you drain the filter and cut open with a hacksaw, please (record under illumination:the filter)
* clean the plexiglass
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Hi John! Thanks for the comment. I will definitely take to heart those suggestions, and try to implement them in future videos. As far as the wing spar AD, yes it has been issued. I do not know about getting a camera in via the landing gear housing, it may be possible, but not sure. I think the AD calls for installation of inspections panels, so that's probably what we are going to do. I did an oil change video on this aircraft a few months ago, if you look through my videos you will see it. We did cut open the filter but unfortunately I didn't video that. I may do that for a future video. If you are wondering if we did a oil change during annual. I believe we did, But not 100% sure. I can look in the log books and check for you if you'd like that. Have a great evening!
Good video, thanks.
The annual inspection on my 2012 Volvo S60 T6 was $3,500.00. Maybe I should fly to work.
Yikes! I have a volvo as well. Expensive!!
Hi. I am new to the flying community and I have questions so forgive me if it seems basic and obvious:
You mentioned this was your first annual and you purchased the plane in Nov 2019.
Would these issues been brought up in your pre purchase inspection? And perhaps handled by the seller? It seems some items like gaskets hoses etc could have been identified before the purchase of the plane and thereby reducing the cost if your first annual. (Although it may been part of the costs at time if purchase)
Hi! Thanks for the comment! To answer your question... There is a possibility of finding those items. However with the age of the aircraft there will be item(s) that need fixed every year. Especially on the first year of ownership, because you want to bring things up to your standards, and you don't have much of a baseline on the aircraft.
My annual was over $11k also for a 1968 Piper Cherokee 180. I can’t believe how low yours is. I got a vacuum pump replaced and it was $1,100. $2,600 seems extremely low. Labor rate here is also $130/he though
If you think $2,000 is expensive, buckle up.
Ok...great list. But those are maintenance items, not the cost of the annual. The annual inspection is just that, an inspection. It includes taking off the inspection covers, looking at items as defined on a checklist. Also included are an oil change, spark plug rotation, etc.
But fixing cowling latches, vallve cover gaskets, changing oil hoses, carb heat cable...etc. NOT part of the annual. That's all annual induced maintenance.
But you did the right thing...fix the stuff that needs to be fixed when it show up. It won't get better, it will only get worse.
$2000 is not expensive for an annual maintenance period. My first one was about $6000 as it was the first one after I purchased my Warrior from a flight school. There was a lot of deferred maintenance, that I got the privilege of paying to fix. My last annual was less than $1000, which was mostly just the annual because not much was left to fix.
So just to inspect costs $1000 per year?
@@kurtreber9813 Yes. Depending on what the hourly rate for an A&P in your area. Last time around I paid $1,200 for the annual, then a few more dollars to fix the minor stuff that were airworthiness items.
60x the price of a car inspection
Puts a little perspective on things
@@kurtreber9813 We don't have car inspections where I live. So, it's largely irrelevant.
Wildflower remedies LLC helps to write off expenses?
My 1st annual on my PA28-140 was $3500. That shop owner was a crook. Every annual after that was right about $1000. This year will be the cheapest yet as I volunteer at the shop where my annual gets done.
Wow! Was that all just labor? Or unnecessary parts? Definitely on the pricey side regardless.
@@samueltheaviator4802 it was a lot of unnecessary/non-airworthy repairs that he completed without discussing them prior to completing them. He also complied with a couple ADs that had already had terminating ADs previously completed. It was an eye opener. You live, you learn. I learned never to use that shop again.
That's pretty typical for taking an airplane someplace new. The mechanic has a lot of regs to plow through, like spending time reviewing your AD compliance, reviewing your logs, looking at your airplane for unauthorized maintenance. After that, he or she doesn't need to do that. Also, shop rates vary. So the inspection is mostly going to be shop rate times the hours spent performing the inspection. You can cut the cost by buying your own oil, filters, plugs, wire. You can also cut the cost by doing an owner assist and performing all of the grunt work.
@@BumbleBee55R Wow, sorry someone worked on your plane beyond your permission. That is very not cool.
There is also the cost of keeping the plane stored at the airport. How much is that on an annual basis?
Enjoy that low cost annual, my first annual ram me just over $18,000. I am hoping my next annual is around $2;000 this year. Stay safe out there.
Wow! Can I ask what work was performed? And what model of aircraft it was?
@@samueltheaviator4802 I have a PA 28 180. The previous owner did nothing, needed a full fuel system update including fuel selector, both mags had 1735hrs without an inspection, gear torque links had cracks, exhaust system and cabin heat system had leaks, alternator bracket had shabby welds that were cracking, I’m sure I’m missing something off the top of my head. Another reason I will always pay for an annual inspection when I purchase another plane. This was a rental plane I had been flying before I bought. On the bright side, my bird is in fantastic shape now and flys very well
@@michaelseverson9809 oof
Why does the fwd latch on the engine cowl look bent? Doesn’t match up to lower cowl in the front
I'm not sure. I think it is slightly bent and the video makes it look a lot worse.
@@samueltheaviator4802 It makes the plane look neglected. Your dad should have it fixed.
@@robertbrandywine yeah even if its just for appearance sake, I would have done. Piece of mind for passengers, if nothing else. Maybe do it next time you have a cheap annual inspection. I mean, what would cause that? Hard landing? Runway incursion? If so, what other problems might that have caused?
Planes aren’t cheap, but hopefully that’s work that won’t have to be done again for a long time.
Yeah, I don't think the next annual is going to be as expensive. But I guess with planes anything can happen. Thanks for the comment! Merry Christmas!
Thanks for posting. I wish you would actually show the list on the screen so we could see it.
Thanks for the comment. I agree with you and I will make those changes in the future.
Skip to 16:35 for total
If wanna skip, jump to 16:34.
What's the TT, SMOH and SPOH? Thanks!
TTAF is 4872. 1013 hours since new on the engine. Prop has 2500 hours or so.
$50 bucks and hr, wow, my Mooney going for its 1st annual since I got it and I no the shop Rate is $100/hr. Hoping for a good annual. 2500 max.
Hey man! Good luck!
$50 an hour labor is great. My labor rate in rural Northern California is $110. Last Sept. I bought a 1966 Cherokee 140/160, "pristine condition" with "no problems" per my $1,400 pre buy inspection by Savvy Aviation (Mike Busch's company). And, it had just gone through a $3,800 dollar annual inspection in July. Should be good to go, right?
I just got the bill to replace the vacuum pump and filter, the primer lines, alternator field wire, remount the incorrectly installed oil pressure gauge, overhaul the amp guage, and replace the alternator belt. $2,641 !!! And, my beacon is drawing 18amps, so that will have to be replaced at $625 plus labor. And of course the AI is listing about 20 degrees now, so a good used part will be about $400 plus labor. Can't wait for the annual...
I used to think boats were bad.
Wow! Sorry to hear about that. Hopefully you can get it fixed up, and it quits eating you alive!
Final invoice = $4306.48.
@@drsudz but NOW you're golden.
Right?
@@kurtreber9813 My Sept 2021 annual took 5 weeks and cost a little over $12k. Needed 2 mags, a new ELT and a bunch of little stuff. This year is looking better. Almost done and the only bad thing so far is 1 new caliper o- ring!
@@kurtreber9813 My 2021 annual was, (I kid you not!), $12,380. Both mags replaced, ELT had giant hole in the top, (don't know how the pre-buy guy missed that), wing spar inspection access holes had to be installed, and a whole lot of tiny little issues. Like the door hinge pins. Loose rubber pad on passenger rudder pedal. on and on and on... So my plane is in for its 2022 annual, with a new IA. Fingers crossed!
I wish someone did that for the German market... I guess, for us the cost would be a multiple of that
I don't know any information on the German market. But guessing it would be more expensive.
Can you clarify a little. Was this just for an A&P to go through the plane and then you still had to hire an A&P AI to inspect it after?
Correct. The only person that can sign off on a Annual is a A&P IA. So the work was done by the by a A&P, than inspected and signed off by a A&P IA.
That's not right, the IA has to perform the annual inspection. Then an A&P must sign off the log book items that were created as a result of the annual.
Listening to all this.. and know very little about aircraft maintenance.. but daum.. how is this gentlemen still alive! Leaking pipes, popped pins haha
Haha! It's not at all that bad. Appreciate the concern though.
Do some work build your own experimental and you can do your own annuals, I’m working on a Vans RV4 .
Imagine the cost of an annual on the Aztec. Thinking that plane sat for a while.
Yeah, I don't really want think about that right now. I am expecting to have a very expensive annual. I think it sat a lot the last year or so, but before that it was flown fairly regularly. Merry Christmas!
not if you are in los Angeles !! also the airplane have a new AD every day!!!
$2000 sounds great
sounds less like an annual and more like you bought a plane with some deferred maintenance. Not unusual or even a problem as I'm sure it was refected in the price.
Yeah, it honestly wasn't too bad. Every year stuff needs fixed. But we did get a pretty decent deal in it!
The golden rule of aircraft ownership is NEVER let an airplane sit. Fly it regularly.
Agree 100%
@@samueltheaviator4802 How much do you fly a year?
30 hours? That seems high
2660.3$
Hit me up pilots for inspections. I’m an A&p
Very confusing with your prices. You had like 3 total prices. Also video didn’t need to be 17 minutes long . But thank you
Please...write a Script then read it off-camera. Too much of the usual Talking Head and insufficient aircraft shots.
Thanks for the feedback. Really appreciate it!