Not Happy With Your Shotgun Purchase?
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- čas přidán 24. 01. 2023
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I really thought you would show the actual process with the customer. Please find a customer willing to film the whole process of coming in, and getting fitted and kitted by you; I think A LOT of viewers would like to see this process
My method is completely illogical. I’ve had a long love affair with guns, and my last shotgun was a high end German target gun, which I bought because it was a mechanical work of art. I then had an instructor help adjust the height of comb and cast. I hit greater than 90% of the clays…but I don’t care if I hit 100 or 30…I just like the gun…looking at it, cleaning it, shooting it, and admiring it. A wise person would do it your way!
Thats more important than anything. You have to like it first
I’m like you. I pick the thing I like the look of then realise it’s not correct but I still love it. Haven’t had the opportunity to do it with a shotgun yet but I’ve seen a few I like.
I'm a good gun fitter not the best Dave's a nice guy he sells guns and has a big problem with autos I like autos I can hold 500 guns 3 guns will fit me perfectly 100 guns will shoot well but I can pick up a pair of guns there be the same and I can feel the difference it's so slight but I know after shooting for 45 years
Well that's great
This is great advice. Unfortunately in the US places like these are few and far between.
If new to shooting I'd probably agree .... however I own many guns, my approach is:
Laser bore sight installed , find a longish room, (10m +) shut eyes and mount it 2 or 3 times and when mounted open your eyes ..
Where are you looking and where is the laser dot ... If lucky all aligns, if not don't despair, adjust your mount, if you can, if can't walk away, if new mount works.... remember it, shut eyes and repeat...... gun mount is muscle memory BUT it needs to be repeatable and therefore achievable
Blaser F3 (O/U)
Benelli Montefeltro (Semi)
Breda Andromeda (SxS)
WW Greener (martini)
Browning BPS (pump)
Maverick model 95 (bolt)
All very different stock dimensions and prices but LoP 14 1/2 - 14 7/8 and I love them all ..... Shooting is fun, be safe and enjoy.
dear David, your explanation of your video is flawless, but often times we find ourselves buying a gun just to have it immediately in our hands, not thinking that, to have good results, a gun must fit you like a dress, considering obviously your budget.
nice video David
Great stuff thank you. I've been watching the channel for a while now. I've sent off for my shotgun licence and will be coming to the school for a 'have a go' and then some tuition. I'll also get my gun and get set up with you too (I'm in west Oxfordshire) thanks again
Initially in your opening remarks it seemed that you would feature a potential buyer or two to illustrate your procedure. But it just featured you shooting several guns and breaking clays. In my opinion it would have been more interesting and more informative with a first time buyer or two taking part.
When it comes down to it you don't need to try a gun, you can see instantly in the store if it fits or not just by mounting it(especially if the shop selling it has competent shots working there). If they are a new shot the just need a middle of the road fitment as they don't know how to shoot and mount consistently yet and as they progress their fitment will change dramatically.
Shooting it is the only way it can fit in the store but shooting it is best
@@michaelplank8966 never seen anyone ever do a fitting whiles shooting 🤣 a fit is in the person doing it and how experienced they are not wether you can shoot it or not. You might miss more initially or it not feel right even if the guns fit correctly because you've been use to the incorrectly fitting gun theres more to it than pulling the trigger.
@@Lethal_Intent I'm a good basic fiter I'm always leaning shut both eyes as the gun hits your cheek open your eyes and see what you see you should just see the bead
@@michaelplank8966 thats one of the many tools you can use. But it matters completely on the shooter to have a proper and consistent mount. Also now alot of shooters and even top shots like Richard faulds and Joseph fanizzi don't have a traditional cheek weld mount they have it just touching lower part of the face or in fanizzi case when I've watched him his face rarely touches the stock. A proper gun fit and getting it right is a difficult thing only a few can achieve. You can do a basic fit and get most of the way there but the last few percent is for the masters.
I wish I would have had this opportunity. I bought and sold several guns before finding the gun that fit me. great program!
Same and it's a costly method.
I recently purchased my first gun this way with David at the Oxford gun company, can't recommend him and the whole place enough very helpful and sorted me out in budget. Thanks
I just feel it's quite unfair to constantly say, "don't go to a gun shop, go to a shooting school, have a lesson!" There are many gun shops that have an accomplished shooter in their employ more than capable of providing as good if not a better service to that which you refer and no doubt they would do the initial gun selection in the shop then bring a short list of possible guns to a shooting ground along with the purchaser to complete the fitting and the deal without the additional £60-70 the lesson you refer to would cost.
Absolutely wise words. A [unnamed] shooting school fitted me up with a Browning 525S. A pal saw me struggling with it and we took it back. Stock was too long, and 32" barrels made the gun too heavy and out of balance for a 5 foot six seventy year old. Traded it for a gun that fits [short stock Browning 525S. 28" barrels]. Comfortable, hits everything I shoot properly at. Lesson next week to make sure it truly fits, and that my technique and the gun work together. Job done ... at last though the trade across cost me !!..
Learning to mount a gun properly is the main point for new shooters, after that you can adjust your mount to fit most guns reasonably well, i know guys still shooting early 1900s sxs just as well as high end comp shooters with the latest greatest dt11s etc, and an early sxs stock specs are considered way off for most
I am one of those side by side old guys give me an O/U i cant hit a barn door with it. look into my safe there is the beautiful 20 bore Beretta o/u, Franchi Auto, but the late1970's Webley and Scot S/S comes out with me first choice.
Going to have another go with a new Webley and Scot o/u as it will be steel proofed for lead ban that is sure to be passed my s/s will be a wall hanger not steel proofed what a crying shame. At 61 years had the best of the shooting aint purchasing another expensive gun now. Just renewed my license how hard is that Spies being interrogated were treated better. In a few years it will be burning straws under the finger nails before your granted a license.😂
You're not wrong David, I bought 2 of my 3 guns without trying them beforehand. However my Beretta is now entirely custom fitted to me and fits like a glove, shoots really well for me. The other though... let's just say I have had the Caesar Guerini sitting in the cabinet for 7 months that has not been shot and will never come back out to be shot by me again. I'm trying to get rid of it, it's my fault for not trying before buying... £3,000 mistake and lesson learnt! Never again.
Jese, that's an expensive mistake. We all make those.
Last year i bought lincoln lite because lenght of pull was correct for me. Then i go shooting some clays and it was nightmare. 15/50 clays was hit. Then i try my old valmet 212 i hit 23/25. I compare stocks and noticed lenght was same but drop was 2cm less in lincoln. My local stock maker make new stock and now it's fits perfect for me.
Sound advice but as you are probably aware not the route taken initially by many for various reasons.Think the try before you buy package needs to be costed.
I’ve had many guns in the past, but just recently I bought an immaculate 425 for no other reason than I liked the wood and condition. It’s turned out that it’s the best fit I’ve ever had and my scores immediately improved.
David, this presentation is defnitely one of your best. excellent advise. I must admit to buying a gun or 2 because of the beauty of the gun to admire and own
Thank you.
Mak's sense some of my guns felt nice in the shop but at the ground I might as well used a cricket bat
Fantastic advise.
Bob on David, i think most new people to the sport change with the more they shoot, I've spent a fortune over the last year only to end up with a 2nd hand 525 S but love it, it's like a glove! That's how it should be
I’m lucky because any Browning or Miroku feels right, but 1/2” short out of the box. So as long as there’s a Japanese gun in the store I can grab as a datum, I can easily compare the “feel” of the non-Japanese gun I’m looking at.
Interesting thing is, Holland and Holland use Beretta, I know they own the shooting ground now so that's obvious, but they never seem to have a problem with comb height?
im having my first shotgun tuition tomorrow and looking forward to it, I recently applied for my license so hoping once I get granted, I will be looking at a laurona you mentioned a few videos ago as my first, cheap and cheerful until I am comfortable to go out and look at some BSA's, I have been shooting PCP for awhile now and just moving on up the field. As you might have guessed my PCP is a BSA, the CLX Ultra first edition, which was also my first airgun. I'll let you guess why I have a tendency to stick with BSA lol.
@@JohnSmith-dg3rd if anything broke I’d just buy a different shotgun. Go watch his review on the used laurona 12 gauge he got for £60.
Good Tips For The Beginners👍👍
Unfortunately we don't have this system in Canada atleast not in Ontario. I wish we did this way you could make a first hand experienced decision.
I hate wearing ear muffs, they get in the way when I cheek the stock. I've been watching you cheek the stock , I guess I have to raise the comb up. I see you wearing them all of the time. To me they're not comfortable. I guess I'll have to experiment and have somebody watch me cheek the gun . I still like the Browniings, even though they're not as expensive as the other guns. Take Care and Be Safe.
Dear David. As usual, I really appreciate you philosophy and your brilliant common sens approach. All the details you list when looking to buy a shotgun converge on a common denominator, interest as many people as possible to embrace any discipline of clay shooting. Merci from your fan of Montreal, Canada. Marc
I think you are better of getting a instructor to fine tune you with gun fit for one simple reason
How long will you stay and ENJOY shooting if your missing 90% of the time
I’m glad you are getting newer shooters to go through this process. I think it is a wise thing to do, but how much does the overall buying experience cost? How much is it for 2 hours of instruction/fitting and the average amount of clays and ammunition?
Thanks for your comment and I am glad you like the channel if you give David a call on 01844 238 308 he would be happy to chat though things with you. Thanks TSC Team.
Hi mate thanks for your helpful video. I have a question, is better to go to British Shooting Show to buying a shotgun or local dealer. I mean which one is cheaper. God bless
Hi Vahid thanks for your comment and thank you for your nice comment on the film and channel if you would like to email contactus@theshootingchannel.co.uk or give David a call on 01844 238 308 he would really like to have a chat to you about this over the phone and give you some good ideas hope this is ok. Thanks TSC Team
I got my first gun in May last year when I got my shotgun licence. My gun is a Yildiz 12 gauge SPZME spoter Adj. I got my gun from Southdown gun club and school. Where I had my lesson.
Thanks for your comment and glad you are happy with your gun, nice to see you are enjoying the film. Thanks TSC Team.
Are you still shooting it, and how do you like it now after a year of use?
This is a great video for me. I’m just waiting for my certificate grant so info on fitting etc is definitely of value for me. As my wife and I are applying at the same time we’ll be looking for two of everything, so budget will be quite low to start with so we can go out and enjoy the sport.
Don't be pressured into spending more than £500-600 per gun. We have some gorgeous, accurate, great feeling and highly reliable shotguns for less than £500.
Thank you for your nice comment if you would like any more information please email contactus@theshootingchannel.co.uk thanks TSC Team
Do you do finance as I would want to buy 3 guns i.e. an over under, a semi auto and a pump action.
@@egobeegmail If you Give the Oxford Gun Company a call they will help you Thanks David.
Can you do a one on/one off on a northern ireland license but try and buy a gun in England if we brought gun over?
I wish my club had this option available. I spent a couple grueling months looking for the right firearm within my budget. I visited probably 8 shops. Finally found one that I liked, that others like, that should last me a good while and within my budget. But it was exhausting.
Yes go to the shooting grounds try before you buy
Thank you for your comment if you give Alex an email on contactus@theshootingchannell.co.Uk he may be able to help you.
The past year i switched from 3 gun to sporting clays cause i have a bum knee. No thoughts given to fit i purchased a browning citori cxs and a beretta a400 sporting. Both guns i can do about 75 out of 100 clays in a tournament but never any better sometimes worse.
I picked up my 3 gun shottie the mossberg 940 jm pro with a 24 inch barrel and can do 85-90 clays with it. Why because it fits me perfectly i kill it with a 24 inch barrel on medium to far course in nsca tournaments.
I recently purchased a 28 inch barrel for it and its damns near perfect.
Now i wish i hadn’t spent 2k on a beretta and 2400 on a browning. My 1200 mossberg with a 240$ upgraded barrel is perfect.
Now im looking for a mossberg gold reserve over under to replace the browning
I realy need that! I live in Sweden. Can I come over for a test?
Sir, what vest are you wearing? Thank you 😊
Jim, Texas
Hello 👋🏼 this is a Harkila tweed vest.
I'm heading to London from USA to visit my son, and sent a email a few months ago requesting a booking for a couple of days in mid July 2024 for some instruction but never got a response. I then called multiple times with no answer to the phone. I wanted to be fit for a new gun but obviously the Oxford Gun Company is not a fit for me.
Simple, get the gun fitted to you and you can shoot clays or birds no problem.
Díky!
I don't know any such shooting schools in East Anglia that I could do this process. I'm looking for my first shotgun and would love to have this process available....but it's not. Also, booking a two hour lesson and shooting clays in that time is going to cost...??? £200/250? If you are looking at the low end of the market, for a £600/800 gun that's a lot in relation to the cost of the gun.
We don't have one here either. I live in central Scotland and my local shooting ground is just that. They don't sell them and use Brownings, so not much choice there. You can get information and advice so that's good, but that's about it. The nearest school like he suggests is in the borders, about 200 miles away! Down the local gunshop for me.
I saw this film to get your shotgun permission really is decades behind I just go to the store I have a great police record they call in my background and I get my gun now after I have my carry pistols permitt it's better but you have one advantage shooting grounds I would go and try 100 of them Where's the autos especially for women and us small people and the side by sides now I own them all and as a good gun fitter I can tell mostly in the store my best gun I got while grocery shopping in Walmart now it did feel good but I never realized how well it fitted we have no shooting grounds but I'm so glad not having to wzde though the stupid bullshit everywhere should be easy your shooting numbers would go up and you would have more business
Well that's a few gunshops out of business then.....
Where can i get a vest like that?
If you email contactus@theshootingchannel.co.Uk we can help you
So if someone was coming to get gun fit and go round to trial the guns what kind of price would you be looking at for that ?
If you would like to email us at contactus@theshootingchannel.co.uk or give David a call on 01844 238 308 he would be happy to help you with this. Thanks TSC Team.
hi david could you do a film for a parker hale plz
Are you going to be a serious competitive shooter. 🤔 😆😆😆 I think you'll probably know already what gun you want.
Buy one off a genuine gunsmith I.e. someone like F. J. Wiseman and Co. Old School.
A skilled marksman with all rifles. Greetings.
Thank you.
shotguns let's have it right
Ain't no riflin' 'ere
@5:21 that butt is way low in the shoulder Dave...
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We dont have shooting schools here, you are talking about uk, you should make that clear.
You don't go to a driving instructor to buy a car....
Would you buy a car without driving it first?
@@TSCTheshootingchannel I have done on a number of occasions, never been disappointed
no you have a salesman that finds the car or truck your wanting and you test drive it. Its your money
I find your videos to be generally very informational but they often come across as you showing off shooting skills. Seeing you break a simple target over and over with different models didn't tell me anything. You could have done that with a Mossberg pump. Focus on information transfer and spend a minimal amount of time shooting clays.