Tolarian Tutor: Thoughtseize And Hand Disruption - Improve Your Magic: The Gathering Gameplay
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Thoughtseize. It’s the spell of choice that’s become eponymous with Hand Disruption. It’s been at the core of many popular formats for many years now - whether in Theros Standard or in Modern, where it sees the most play. Even when Thoughtseize isn’t legal in a format, the family of hand disruption spells that are legal see a lot of play.
Hand disruption is one of the most annoying forms of interaction to play against, and oftentimes, one of the hardest forms of interaction to master. Today, we’ll be digging in deep into what you need to know in order to maximise the payoff from using Hand Disruption spells. We’ll be looking primarily at the common play patterns and tips and tricks of using Thoughtseize.
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Wow, it’s been awhile since I’ve seen a tolarian tutor video. That’s actually how I found your channel. Takes me back.
Oh man this is like those days where you walk into class to see the tv cart already pulled in. Someone get the lights and lets enjoy what we get to learn today.
My favorite days!
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The Tolarian Tutor series is how I found TCC, stoked to see it come back!
As someone who's deck knowledge is not the greatest, building a deck around hand disruption and Surgical Extraction/Extirpate may not be the easiest to play. But it sure makes learning fun.
Getting to know what your opponent is up to is half the advantage. Gotta love nigh perfect information.
Never forget to shock yourself against burn.
Fetch, shock, thoughtseize, scoop
@@alexandervdb fetch, shock, thoughtseize *laughs in death's shadow*
@Almer Lahar just yes
Crack this Bloodstained Mire, I'll find a Sacred Foundry and shock it. Tap for a Red, cast Shock targeting myself.
As a burn player this comment section is basically what happens
Good video, but I would have liked a special mention to Hymn to Tourach, one of the best (if not the best) Discard spells ever that can also hit lands randomly and creates CA, while I would have also appreciated mentioning one of the main problems discard have nowdays, which is playing around Veil of Summer.
I'm so glad the professor is continuing the tolarian tutor series, it's a really good. Keep it up Prof!
It is
I've stopped playing magic, but I haven't stopped watching prof!
Professor can you give me an extension? This material is messing with my hand
Gamer Gavin if your hand was disrupted you will need a note from a judge to get an extension.
Dont forget the best anti hand disruption: one with nothing
Glint-Horn Buccaneer agrees.
No it's lion's eye diamond, because it's got a black lotus on it
@@unstopable_rob got me there
I know this because when I would play legacy I couldn't afford led so I just ran one with nothing
3:50 I generally agree with these points but it all depends on the sort of deck you are playing of course.
If you are playing eight rack then Raven's Crime is not a bad choice since you are completely focused on them discarding a lot of cards (so eventually they will have to throw away their good stuff) but also emptying your own hand as quickly as possible to get more value out of Liliana's +1.
Not to mention emptying your own hand as fast as you can so that your ensnaring bridge is useful
I know these are older, but as someone who's getting back into Magic after 20 years I've found the whole series priceless for learning how to play in a new environment, thank you!
I've barely gotten into the video but the discontinuity of the art on the wall changing to Thoughtseize when the zoom in cut happened has distracted me significantly enough to comment.
I love this series! I play Nic Fit and Storm in Legacy where hand disruption is a key part of the game plan. I honesty believe that learning how to play with Cabal Therapy made me a better Magic player overall. Hand disruption is a powerful tool in every MTG players list of skills and everyone should learn it! Thanks for putting this together Prof!
Wonderful advice, and very well put, coming from a Modern Jund pilot! A terrific resource I'll be pointing to whenever someone asks me for pointers on the deck :)
Prof: ...For the people that already play at Friday night magic.
2020: *Yes, but no.*
Thoughtseize, a great card in 60 card constructed but not so useful in commander as commander players typically have enough answers that a little bit of targeted hand disruption doesnt really do a whole lot, but in modern? Total powerhouse!
Also i enjoyed this detailed philosophy on hand attack ^^
Actually, it's still pretty awesome in duel commander. The main issue with it in normal commander is not based on deckbuilding differences, but more in having three opponents, leading to what you said - it not being able to get all answers with it. Even more important: you set yourself (and the victim) at a -1 card disadvantage compared to the other two players.
@@JonaxII I agree, although I think it gets better for cedh (even in a 4 player group) as it can be used like how prof talked about in legacy to check for counters before attempting your combo. Of course, there are still potentially two other players with counters, but that's still a 1/3 improvement and it can be better in certain scenarios (such as if one of your opponents is nonblue, or tapped out).
@@charleybrett1663 true, but these kind of all in combo decks (like Sidisi ad nauseum, I love that pile, lol) tend to be at the lower powered end of the cedh spectrum, so I tend to forget them... The dreaded "people outside cedh hate me if I play it, in cedh I rarely win, so I can never actually have fun" power level, at which somehow half of my brews end up.
@@JonaxII Godo, K'rrik, and Selvala are all pretty good imo
@@charleybrett1663 Having played a K'rrik deck, it's very silly. You don't even care about all-in combos, you just play mana rocks and then start casting Sheoldred on Turn 4 and other nonsense.
Protip: keep cards revealed to opponent upside down to remind you what your opponent has seen. And yes I mostly run into jund at FNMs.
To build on this, anytime I'm playing in a tournament at any level I write down any card I see go into an opponent's hand. For example, cards like Goblin Guide, Militia Bugler, etc. but also anything I see with Thoughtseize, Duress, etc. but don't forget to cross it out/erase it if they cast it (unless you notice it has a different art than the one you already saw). This is really helpful for making decisions later in the game.
I really like this tip, thank you.
I am so glad to see this series continue! I love it! Keep it up, Prof!
Hard to believe this has only 73k views. These study vids are so good. Knowledge is power. 🧙♂️💪
An appreciation for thoughtsieze was what led me to my prefered playstyle: Midrange. Back when I was first really getting into magic and looking up professional decklists, I eventually ran across a list for Modern Jund from one of the world championship, Ken Watanabe's I think. Out of everything on that decklist, I understood the purpose of the hand disruption cards LONG before I ever understood the worth of most of the rest of the spells on that list (it is actually embarassing how long it took me to figure out that tarmagoyf was good)
Thoughtsieze is good in edh as well to fish out those nasty counters.
It's less effective because there is 4 players and it only tagets one though
In that case, silence or veil of summer would serve you better.
Vicious rumors is for this but they choose what to discard and mill 1
@@camj1758 Well in this context, they would just discard something other then a counterspell. But yes, vicious rumours is a solid 3 for 1.
As dire as the MtG landscape might be i'm always glad for safe havens like TCC to enjoy it.
As a general rule I would add that taking a snapcaster mage is usually the correct choice. Because if you take another spell they will just be able to flash it back.
Remove value engines
I love these intermediate level videos, they really help bridge the gap between learning the game and learning to win the game
TOLARIAN TUTOR! This series is how I found your channel. I'd love to see more of these in the future!
More to come!
Yeah! Tolarian Tutor is back! Also, props for using the proper term "sandbagging" instead of "slow-rolling". So many Magic players have no clue what slow-rolling actually is.
Something that could make for a good video later on would be this, anytime I'm playing in a tournament at any level I write down any card I see go into an opponent's hand. For example, cards like Goblin Guide, Militia Bugler, etc. but also anything I see with Thoughtseize, Duress, etc. but don't forget to cross it out/erase it if they cast it (unless you notice it has a different art than the one you already saw). This is really helpful for making decisions later in the game.
Been playing a lot of mono black discard in historic lately. Always good to refresh the basics. Thanks Prof!
A new Tolarian Tutor video? Great to see this series still going! I used these videos as a good starting point when I was learning more about how to play Magic
More to come!
@@TolarianCommunityCollege I'm excited to see what you have planned!
The way he speaks in this video is so much better than the older ones!
Nice improvement prof!
Thank you so much for this!!! I love all your content, but the Tolarian Tutor series is by far my favorite!! 🧡💙
These are the types of videos that brought me to this channel. Thanks for bringing them back Prof. (And, yes, I also really appreciate your willingness to call out the mistakes that have been happening in magic. To be continued...)
LOVED this episode. the breakdown and deep dive on these lines were so insightful and helpful, thank you
So glad!
Hey, the Prof is teaching people how to use the thing in MTG I hate the most. Thanks, Prof! Now I get to play against hand disruption non-stop on arena for the next couple weeks.
This series is how I found your channel..thanks for remembering and expanding upon it :)
Welcome!
Thanks for the tips! I always hate dealing with hand disruption, but I love black. This will definitely help me both defensively and offencively.
Loving Tolarian Tutor, especially with my favorite all-time card
I love these tactic videos. I wish there was more videos like this that delve into other mechanics (especially set specific mechanics).
Glad you like them!
@@TolarianCommunityCollege i love them. They have totally improved my game and my deck building skills.
I'm just glad to see you continuing this series.
this was really useful.
I play a Nath discard commander, and sometimes I have no idea what's best to discard
I love how the picture changes in the background throughout the video. It really seized my thoughts.
This is one of your best videos, Professor! Thanks a lot for sharing this amazing information. I will watch it several times because there's a ton to learn!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great to see this back was as informative as ever and am looking forward to the next.
My favorite hand disruption was in black summer. t1 swamp dark ritual dark ritual hymn to tourach hypnotic spectre go.
Hey Prof, as somebody who played Death's shadow for as long as it was a deck, I really liked this video! Could you do more of them? for example, on different counterspells and how o best use them, flash creatures, aether vial,... Will watch with great interest the TT!
Many years ago, in a time before Thoughtseize, I played a somewhat budget MBC in my game store. My deck was full of Black Rituals, Duress, Kozilek's Inquisitions, Cabal Therapies and Mesmeric Fiends. I once won against Reanimator with an opponent's Iona on black on the battlefield. I managed to race him down with 2 Vampire Nighthawks.
It is my personal wartime story :D
PROF, perhaps in the future it would be helpful to mention why certain strategies/cards are better for certain formats. For instance, Thoughtsieze is not a card you see very often in Commander. Some people might not understand why that is.
SIDE NOTE: Glad to see Tolarian Tutor is back! These videos have always been helpful.
Nice definitely one of my favourite series from TCC. Collabs between prof and Emma always seem really well thought out
Thank you for making this video, I have been trying to teach people how to more effectively play the game, and this packs up any knowledge I could attempt to give them in a concise manner
More of these! And might I suggest a video on Prison effects, soft and hard locks in constructed formats, how to play/sequence them, and how to interact with them!
It's been a while since I've last watched a video by the professor with the pandemic and all. Glad to have the time to catchup to all these great videos.
Welcome back! :)
I play 4 thoughtseize and 3 agonizing remorse in Historic Black devotion. Pretty pleased that I’ve picked up some of these tricks just through experience, but I do still have a tendency to go go for the bombs over enablers. I think that’s more correct than usual in this case though, since it’s a control deck.
I miss the old learning videos and super indebth deck strategy (old affinity video, got me to buy the deck, to bad months later mox was ban) please continue these sorts of videos. Always amazing to see u bro
This is exactly the video I’ve been looking for! Thanks for the quality content as always
I remember a deck I build back in original Zendikar, the strategy revolved on Liliana's Caress x4 and Bloodchiefx4 Ascension at the beginning of the game, the putting painful quandry x2 in play, while the rest of the deck was discard from hand and removal effects ... eventually I would game life for every card sent to the graveyard from anywhere, or even if they managed to play the card... Super Fun when everything worked but it was Hard to do so.... Fun times still
As an 8+ Rack player, I approve of this lesson. Nice to see a video under this series again.
Boy, it's good to see one of these again. It's been awhile. :)
This is the best video I've seen you put out in a while! I hope you're doing well, thank you for this great explanation :)
I´m just making UB Control and this episode was very useful. Thank you prof.!
Your 8 rack video years ago made me a dirty rack player, but I've now moved to legacy with pox. Thank you for showing me the light in how to become a better evil player.
Really glad to see this series is back! :)
This is a great idea for a new series I think, I appreciate hearing some of the finer points of tactics and would like to see other topics explored. Keep up the great work I love what you're putting out
Oh man its nice to see tolarian tutor. I am really excited to see more.
I'll be looking forward to seeing what else you cover in future episodes.
I'm so happy this series is back.
Yes! So happy that Tolarian Tutor is back!
Totally going to go over some of the other episodes now! Thanks proff
A very, very interesting video. Love watching you positively adding to the game and players, Prof.
I love tolarian tutor! Glad to see it back.
Glad to see another one of these videos! Keep up the great work!
Really good job with this one. Clear objectives, well-taught.
Been awhile since you did a Tolrian Tutor video. Yay!
Soooo glad to see this video, since my Neheb the Worthy edh deck depends on hand disruption!
YES! Finally another Tolarian Tutor episode!!
Hand Disruption has 2 upsides: Revealing information and removing a threat.
Cons: It can cost life and you may not develop your own board.
Overall: Cheap hand disruptions have immense value. Expensive hand disruptions needs to be played at a time when you're already ahead.
Great vid!
another con is when the opponent has no good cards in hand (or none at all!) in jund mirrors it's often a good idea to sideboard your hand disruption away to instead have cards that will always do something after both players go into top decking.
@@selkokieli843 That's a good point. I totally forgot you can whiff at times.
One of my favorite hand disruption cards right now is "Humiliate". I will usually plop down a Star Pupil turn one and pop a turn two Humiliate to add a counter and see what my opponent has in their hand. Usefully for getting rid of a doomskar or a kill spell. Also had someone scoop on Arena because I broke their Yurion combo before it began. Also super useful when they do add a companion to their hand. Pop Humiliate and make them discard it.
you should do more of these videos rather than product reviews because I feel this is where you really shine
Great episode prof. Looking forward to more in the series.
Great lesson prof! Looking forward to more of these in the future.
I really love Unmoored Ego! It's usually in my sideboard when legal.
I had a Standard Sultai deck where I sometimes got to recur it multiple times and remove my opponent's win conditions~
Really glad this series is back :)
Very happy to see this making a comeback.
I think it's two very different things. Lillian Veil is card advantage with multiple activations (1for2 or more). Kitsail and thoughtseize is for game plan disruption. Especially in the beginning of a game, players have the play sequence planned out, missing a land drop, not having a two drop, or cannot set up a draw or ramp engine could spell defeat. It's not very useful if the opponent has draw and ramp engine going and can replace most of anything quickly.
More Tolarian Tutor!!!
Learn us Professor, Learn us Good!
Really like this series, glad it's back
Prof! I love this style of video! And coincidentally I've recently been thinking about my Pioneer decks that use Thoughtseize and how to play that card better
Such great information to share with everyone. Thanks again PROF!!!
It's great to see this back!
After falling in love with mesmeric fiend in pauper this is just the video I needed, thanks Prof.
Thank you! That was very helpful! I love these type of videos. You and your team do a great job.
Our pleasure!
Glad to see this series back
13:59 made me laugh IRL so much xD delivery was perfect haha
Love to see this kind of content. As you can always learn something interesting when it comes to Magic the Gathering
Glad you enjoy it! More to come!
I found out the other day I had a Thoughtseize in my collection. I had no idea it was just chillin there! (Or that it was worth like $20)
YES! finally a video that will help me to master my tinybones deck, thanks Tolarian ❤
Great video, love that this series is coming back
Us too!
Love this!!! Keep up the good work guys! It’s nice to focus on gameplay
I missed this series so much!