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A number of people have pointed out the stereo typical "greedy jew" image I used in this video, and have found it offensive. I didn't intend for this to be offensive in anyway, I just googled "sneaky" and this image was the first to come up, so I used it without thinking too much of it. It's not in any way shape or form meant to offend anybody or disrespect Judaism. I make fun of myself more than anything, and sometimes my "jokes" get taken the wrong way. I make fun of all religions and races, but it's not out of hate, it's just making fun of the absurdity of humans lol. It all love, no hate guys :)
[EDIT] And I'd like to add that I should have been more clear with some of the concepts of this video, especially the definition of ego (which literally means "I"). I should have expanded on some of the ideas I presented, and I may have missed the ball on some things, but I still stand by many of my points. When you present a new idea and take a stab in the dark, you are going to miss a few things - and that's okay! That's what CZcams is for. To share ideas, and get instant feedback and then correct your mistakes. No matter what you say, you can poke holes in it, even the "spiritual masters" that people have told me to look up lol. I will eventually make an in-depth video on the nature of the ego, and clear up a few things that I meant to say. I just wanted this video to be somewhat short and focus on psychedelic "ego death", and point out the flaws in peoples mindset towards these things. Some people have been getting very upset, which actually just further proves my point, and others have stated some very valid points, but there's only so much you can say in a 12 minute video. And what can I say? I'm a 26 year old that has a limited mind, so I obviously don't have all the answers, just a dude sharing ideas. So don't take your beliefs so seriously folks, it's all good :P haha
I explicitly find it as inoffensive as possible. It did make me laugh and look twice though. Anyone can be offended by anything but generally the things that offend you are worth looking at/into since that offence is telling you something about yourself.
Usually when we're "offended"
It's the ego that is offended. Right?
Wow I think people need to chill out - Maybe they need to take the image in a different way and what your intent was which we all should know you are not a bigot and that image was meant to represent us ALL - Can we stop worrying about all that offend us and stop being children when someone like Tom uses an image that YOU took as offensive when you are the one perceiving it that way... maybe your being the bigot
Your Mate Tom best video I’ve seen all year . Really nice
Loved this video and the information that you gave out. Totally missed the "greedy" image and was just taken in by the sound of your voice and the information. I've been thinking a lot about the ego of late and the idea of ego death, so this video was perfect timing for me. I really appreciate your content, the fact you are able to take constructive criticism on board and that you are constantly open to evolving and learning. You are an intelligent 26 years old man, so thanks. Ps, I have been trying to work out what part of Australia you are from and now I'm going to go with Melbourne due to your pronunciation of things. Am I right?
The ego is your sense of identity / personality - I don't think you can call it your awareness. When people say they have ego death experiences, I think they are talking about removing their sense of identity/personality out of the equation, and being left with only pure awareness. I absolutely don't think it's possible to experience real death though, unless you actually die, as you said!
I took 400ug of LSD and after being 'sucked out of my soul' I felt only awareness like you said, I didn't really function. I could still see the reality. Would that be an Ego Death?
Jaa!
Remove your identity and personality? Sounds like the Borg from Star Trek...
@@erikandersson2837 I've never taken lsd but sounds about right from my many heroic shroom trips I never really got into the ego death thing the shrooms usually just put a leash on me and drag me through demensions it's quite insane I get to the point we're I can't tell if my eyes are open or closed
@@silvatown7824 I can absolutely relate. Like you're made of nothing,but made of the same thing! But that voice which tries to remember what's happening, I think she's ego
I think the “ego death” experience is still a beneficial one. It isn’t really to kill your ego but to better understand it
benefical unless people start bragging about it :))
I convinced myself that I wasn’t real when I took acid and smoked weed together. I managed to make myself believe that I was in a video game because it is equally as possible as what I was experiencing. From this , I then believed that I may be being controlled by something else.at first I really struggled to come to terms with this realisation but then I remembered that I don’t really think that there is a reason to life and how we got here doesn’t really matter because we did get here and all I can really do now is make the most of it and whatever my “player” is doing has created that mindset for me and therefore it doesn’t really matter, at least to me. Then I had a interesting trip with my mate, because we both experienced similar things that exact trip.I don’t Really know or care honestly what this is but it was very interesting
Your ego 's your shell, your personality and who you think you are. When it dies you shown that the mind doesn't live in the body, it changes the way you think and become a different person.
I also was stuck a quite long time in the "Kill the ego" paradigm, which was actually very damaging to my psyche.
Here is my actual take on the whole topic:
Nowadays, when I talk about "the Ego", I make clear, I am talking about the attachment to certain behaviour patterns you are not aware of, which keep you from being in the flow, keep you from choosing from a part of awareness what you want to do in a certain moment of time and keeps you trapped in past or future events.
Since we, as you said, are human beings, our life unfolds in the frame of time and space. Therefor we also can't get rid of these. For me, the keyelement of "not being in your ego" is coming from a place of awareness, from a state of presence. This makes it possible for us, to know ourselves and therefore know what we truly desire, and therefore, gain the ability to shape a Ego, that is aligned with what we think our life should look like on an inner side of ourselves (though inside = outside, up = down)
What "we" really want to get rid of is not the ego, its our unalignment with ourselves. When we do something, we certainly know is not aligned with us, it created tension. Everybody knows the feeling of not telling the truth. The truth, thats in the moment the absolute truth, but still individual to every person. It's "THIS feeling we get" when we tell someone we like something, knowing we want to say something else.
Therefore, by knowing thyself comes liberation. Not liberation from the ego, since it is you! You don't want to get rid of yourself. You want to get liberated of all the bullshit and lies you digged into and always be ready to reshape yourself in every moment of your experience. Thats true liberation in my opinion.
Your Videos are getting better and better, love the direction you are going and also love that I see the change and growth in your perspectives. How we'll think in about 10 years about stuff we are doing now.. going to be interesting .. I would love doing a podcast or small chat with you, if you are interested let me know.
Sorry for the long rant, props mate ;)
that's the greatest comment I've read on youtube, thank you
I am very happy to know that there are people like you two out there, tyring to explain the unexplainable.
Tyring to use a glitchy tool like language to share their individual idea about the concept of the word 'ego'.
So I think that on the one Hand it is fascinating to see "how far" various people have come through their Power of mind and even more fascinating is the fact that we are able to understand what we are saying to each other, at least to a certain degree. It seems to me like that we humans are kind of a decentralized super computer that is collecting data for and through one another. I think I like that idea.
On the other hand there is this knowledge of a future self, that wisely sneers at your current self..
And sometimes the sea is getting deeper when you start diving. That's why I end this comment right here and try to find something that gives me hold in this way to complex realm.
Peace, keep up the good work it is appreciated
Really well said!
A TRIP IN A TRIP IN A TRIP IN A... awesom3 comment bro
How do i come out from this i took xct by my self and i had realy bad high i cant remember what iv been trough but since then im stuck in the same place please help me or give me advice every day is the same i cant sleep and not with the flow and its like no one understand me and im misunderstud all the time since then i stopd go with freinds and bearly working its like im stuck in the same tughts all time im from israel my name is ahmad
My idea of egodeath is that it's you connecting with pure consciousness and loss of the costume we call "ourself" and the connection to "allself"
SUFI-4- LIFE! U learn all the answers during an ego death
Depersonalisation was the most horrifying thing I have ever felt. Losing my sense of self and of identity, feeling like my own thoughts and feelings were not my own, like I was foreign in my own body and mind, not feeling like I was identical with myself, not feeling like I was anyone at all, etc. It was mental agony I did not know existed. Like a neverending nightmare. At the time it did feel like a sort of death of self. It took me years (including therapy) to recover from it.
Hey, im experiencing the exact same situation right now. Thank you for sharing and giving hope❤ What type of therapy did you have?
@@Shrekandmeforever123how are you feeling now?
How are you now
"Life is Just a Joke"
You decide if you laugh or cry about it
Yung Budds laughing at your mothers funeral is a little bit inappropriate dont you think
Puck Nagtegaal not literally but figuratively... life is what you make of it. Ride like a wave or let it wipe you out
Puck Nagtegaal Not If everyone does and thinks of death at a transformation
There's honestly really nothing "egotistical" about saying you had ego death. If it happened it happened it's that simple honestly. I think the obsession to label everything as egotistical is in itself; egotistical. Also the term "ego death" is clearly not supposed to be taken literally. It's a temporary state, that's a very important distinction. The term was coined to be symbolic. The point has never been to rid yourself of ego but to just change your relationship with it and recognize the relativity of it.
I don't see how ego is the same as mind or awareness? It's not. Ego is the personality. Awareness can exist without that. I've never heard anyone say that ego was the same as actual consciousness. That doesn't really make sense. Yes we know ego is not bad but it is relative which is the point of the symbolic "death of the ego".
Psychedelics amplify awareness which therefore amplifies ego? I don't think so Tom.. lol. I will admit though that the whole "I am god" thing that some people preach is pretty annoying.
8:22 Also what Tom? You never hear about "accidental ego death"? I was always under the impression that most cases of this happened on accident..
Glad someone said it
Yes. I also thought most of the time ego deaths were by accident... that’s where I paused the video and was like “ok this is a little suspect, has this guy even experienced ego death?” Lol
Loved this!
:)
Do you have your own channel on this type of content? As I would suscribe.. what you said made perfect sense.
Not to sound egoistical, but this video really enlightened me
SmartSelfDesign yes it was indeed.. great to really show the different types of way our mind can cling onto our beliefs and use them in a way to think we are doing so much good when really we are not tending and watching our bad/dark side cause wether we want to put it on blast we all have it... and its worse for some but its okay cause it gets easy to handle with experiences and sharing ideas and beliefs like this ☯️♥️much love for everyone on their journey
People talk about ego the same way they talk about original sin, like it's a curse we have to get rid of or cleanse ourselves of. Our culture is so good at programming guilt into us that it seeps into everything.
When you stop labelling things as good or bad and instead just try to understand them, you can stop being afraid of them, and you can even learn to love them. You're no longer afraid of the dark when you understand it, because you realise there's nothing to be afraid of - it just is.
Love the video Tom, thanks.
The "ego" is created by the Default Mode Network(set of structures in the brain involved in self-referential thinking). Psychedelics and meditation shut this network down temporarily. Experienced meditators have far less activity in the DMN. This is basic neuroscience. So much of this video is incorrect and misguided. It almost seems like you're trying to use yourself as an example of how psychedelics can ridiculously inflate the ego.
Objective reality and ego death have no relation. True ego dissolution when used correctly can help cultivate altruistic thinking, which brings us further from self-referential thinking(high levels are found in depressed/anxious people) and more towards selflessness(associated with long-term happiness). This can and has be measured through both subjective surveys and fMRI's of activity in the DMN, and the results correlate.
Tom, take a neuroscience and perception course. Actually read about the origins of the "ego death" idea in eastern traditions. Facts are your friend.
Facts? You seem a bit too sure of yourself there mate. I think what you mean to say is "notions based on evidence". Saying that a particular set of structures in your brain is your ego isn't necessarily true, just a theory based on fMRI scans. How do you know that it's not the ego that created the DMN? I know exactly what you are talking about, and have studied neuroscience - at least as far as what you are talking about in this particular thread - but this doesn't mean it's a 100% scientific fact. And how is selflessness not a part of ego? You wanting to help others is just as much a part of your ego as being selfish. This is the difference between having a dysfunctional inflated ego, while the other is having a healthy ego. Please stop treating the ego like a bad guy, as if it causes depression, and diminishing makes you more enlightened. This is just pseudoscience, not facts my friend.
I don't think you understood what I was trying to convey in the video. Maybe when you say "ego", you are talking about something else like the persona, but I've made it pretty clear what I'm talking about in this video. Or at least I hope lol.
It's funny how you tell me to take a course, when I have studied EXACTLY what you have stated in your comment (I've even made videos of this years ago). So don't assume my friend, or you'll make an ass out of you and me, especially when you throw around words like "Facts" like it means "truth" to back up your confirmation biases.
Or maybe you're right and I'm full of shit on this one. Who knows? But when you throw around scientific terms to explain something so complicated and beyond our understanding, and then condescend someone for challenging your beliefs and have the audacity to say "facts are your friend" and "take a perception course" (particularly when I have literally gone to uni to study the exact thing you are preaching lol), you aren't doing anybody any favours.
Hope you understand.
Much love,
Tom
Altruism does not inflate the ego, for the most experienced buddhist monks it appears more as a compulsion than a self-motivated choice. By it's own definition, it is disinterested and selfless. They're not doing it to feel good about themselves, they're doing it because to them it is what needs to be done, much like breathing and eating.
The ego is not synonymous with consciousness, ego is a phenomena that exists within consciousness. It's possible to exist within consciousness but 'outside' of your ego. 5-meo is a pretty accurate example of that, and I'd have to guess if you had smoked it right before recording this, you'd have made an entirely different video. Who are 'you' at this point? I don't know, one with everything is the most common description.
Neuroscience is showing us something pretty logical, that when someone is having an ego death experience, their sense of self centers of the brain aren't properly functioning, but they're still entirely conscious. There's no 'them', but there's still a 'something'.
Did the ego create the brain? We don't know anything, in the grand scheme of things. We can either have a discussion based on science, which has parameters, or get metaphysical, which is a realm where anything goes, so progress can't really be made there.
Donald Hoffman's Simulation Theory of perception does well to show us that nothing we experience is real, but is simply one representation of reality as a product of evolution, our subjective past, and our brain's guesses. In this way, the representation shows us there's a brain, which generates consciousness, and an ego that is also a product of that brain, and experienced by that consciousness. Might not be true in the grand scheme of things, but it's what we have to work with if we assume our reality is representative of something 'real'.
How long ago were you at Uni? The correlation between DMN and fMRI's of meditators and psychedelic users is pretty recent research(and yes, replicated fact). I'm not saying it to be crass, I'm saying it because if it's something you're truly passionate about, there's a lot of new and interesting information here, and it's being studied currently all over the world (Hopkins, NYU, Imperial College of London).
Sorry that my first response was a bit abrasive, lack of sleep and caffeine withdrawals have me a bit agitated with life at the moment =/.
I agree with Cooking Spicy. The Default mode network is the measurable brain activity of egoic energy, which is nothing wrong per se. This video seems rather half baked to me though as it comes with the flaw of generalisation of personal experiences. "Ego death" is a term that must be seen as a metaphor for "temporary ego dissolution", I think this is clear to most people. Yes, if one only relies on psychedelics to become more spiritual or something like that, you will grow the ego like a muscle. But you also can take psychedelics in a wise reflective way as a complement to other sadhanas within a process of disidentification, deconditioning, calming the DMN and uncovering unconscious behaviour patterns. It's all about releasing energetic blockages. Psychedelics can be a great tool in this regard if used wisely, especially 5-MeO-DMT. There is nothing to kill, but there is something to decontract. The ego is a certain energy bundle within awareness, to equate it with a awareness is absolutely misleading.
Your Mate Tom I agree with cooking spicy, too. I think one problem here is that you primarily adressed the very practical problems around ego dissolution, ones attitude towards it and integration of these experiences. However it went a bit all over the place without clarifying some things that you touched on or used for your explanation, when I think a little more scientific accuracy wouldve helped - e.g. I found some concepts you named like Self, persona, shadow, ego, (dmn in here) that are helpful in understanding the reality of mind have been quite mixed up without always sticking to certain definitions, proposing new ones or pointing out the sometimes very crucial and big differences between them.
Still a huge fan of your videos. Stay as sceptical and open minded! I feel like many people in this sphere should take themselves a little less serious and be more critical just like you.
Buddhist monks take vows of pacifism, then in some situations, end up choosing violence. And the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Buddhists have child diddlers as well.
But the route idea thats incorrect here, is the law of polarity. Sometimes something just is, there is no moral dilemma good or bad. A sandwich is just a sandwich. Someone could be allergic to it, others use it for sustenance. There is no great polarity there. The only polarity you think you see is because of subjectivity during drug use. Like, you can think or feel negative or positive about anything, but thats because of the nature of our minds.
I agree with some implications and thoughts however. Like people gaining a spiritual ego. Its self-identity. Some people can think they are above or beyond other mortals, because of their spirituality. But I think its more tied to denial and projection. Like, the groups which tend to commit the most atrocities as a whole, tend to believe in their moral high ground the most. But thats because they believe in a closed off precise unchanging system, so it simply makes enemies with most people. Which is why many religions have many denominations and feuds etc.
Also facts can exist. Gravity or a thing causing the function of gravity in the world exists. Weighing it as good and bad is just a polarized mindset, not objective unbiased truth, its polar opposite truths.
Like 'gravity brings me down' 'gravity is why I have scoliosis' 'gravity prevents me from flying'. Gravity just is, it doesn't give a fuck. It just does whatever it does. Truth isn't polar, its neutral.
Spot on Tom!
Funnily enough something I learnt whilst on an DMT 'ego death' after meeting my ego; the ego is just apart of me as I am it, killing it is futile, living with it is necessary, finding balance is the key.
Keep up the solid work and I'm keen to see what is in store!
Thank you for addressing that the ego is not something to be destroyed or gotten rid of. That is becoming one of the biggest misconceptions in spiritual circles and is probably leading to a lot of tail chasing.
Reminds me of Ram Dass who said that he had to realize that he couldn't embrace his divinity and push away his humanity, he had to embrace his humanity and embrace his divinity :)
So true. I find it very funny when people claim to have completely destroyed their ego.
The Self and the Ego get conflated a lot. The self is essentially awareness. An awareness immersed within consciousness. The ego on the other hand, is the sense of self. It is the persona, the identity we have as a personality with thoughts, feelings, drives, a body, etc.
Wow. I really needed this. I had my first couple shroom trips the other month, second of which I faced ego dissolution. Came out having fallen into the trap of believing my experience was somehow an objective look into the nature of reality and self. All that "oooo I'm sooo spiritual" stuff people do.
Last Friday, I took a much milder trip, which started helping to pull me out, particularly these past few days. This video came to me at just the right time. So a great massive thank you for giving me solid grounding here. I feel like I'll be able to continue my "psychedelic puberty" without bullshitting myself as much now.
You really did have an objective look into the nature of reality. The ego is trying to pull you away from it. Realize and contemplate on the fact that everything that we call reality only exists within consciousness. What the drugs do is they make you more conscious. You are undeniable absolute reality in every second of your life but the ego makes distinctions and make you feel apart of it instead of within it.
It's amazing to watch the great lengths the ego goes to protect itself from annihilation.
The way you have rationalized and conceptualized the whole 'ego' idea - tell just as much about it's inner workings as the content of your documentary.
Yessss. I have been trying to explain this “spiritual ego” for years. You nailed it.
Wow, Tom, thank you, this is an amazing video. It makes me quite sad when people talk about the ego as something they have to destroy... They don't understand it is something we need and without the ego we wouldn't be able to walk, admire the world, have intimate human connections, help others... Thank you for sharing your profound and real insights on spirituality.
Mindful Ale :0 que coincidencia ver tu comentario, totalmente de acuerdo en eso, el ego es el hilo que nos mantiene atados a esta realidad, y nosotros por nuestras circunstancias decidimos en que basar nuestro ego, me gustan tus videos sigue asii ! Y perdon por el español XD
My Mate Tom
My Mate Tom !
Thank you so much for this video. “Integrate the whole”. I’ve never wanted to kill my ego, rather, learn how to live in unison; work as a team. I’ve enjoyed watching your journey (the past couple years) and learning from your life stories. Keep sharing! People need to hear what you and your girlfriend have to say in this life and even better that y’all are hilarious.🙏🏼 Teachers like you guys are important. Thank you ✨
Thought I’d give it a go and share a different perspective on EGO DEATH. Hope you enjoyed :)
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Your Mate Tom so, i, have had very blissful, and spiritual, moments before this video, obviously i know it wasn't ego death...duh. But i am curious, what could they have been?
Tom, this has been one of the most helpful spiritual youtube videos I've watched in months. It's something that has not been emphasized enough in the psychedelic/spiritual community. Keep it up my dude :)
Great video :)
Why so schnell D:
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I think you make very good points however I don’t agree with everything you said. I do believe many people mistake ego for certain spiritual experiences, but as I think someone else mentioned in the comments, your ego is your sense of self and the subjective nature that comes with it. An “ego death” experience if you will, is simply the removal of the self from your awareness, which you are then left with simply awareness. Which is infinite, there is nothing below consciousness. So when someone says “I am god”, they’re not necessarily wrong depending on how you define that. To me god is just universal consciousness. Which is the same as simply awareness or infinity, no?
And I would mostly agree that no, you can’t really “kill” the ego. But you can learn to observe it and be aware of it in a way that lets you live above it in a sense.
I would not say that the ego is awareness. I think there is the ego (the mind, thinking, emotions...) and there is pure awareness/ consciousness, and when you reach that state of pure awareness you are a buddha, but it is incredible difficult to reach that state of pure consciousness sober/ through meditation, but you can reach that state through psychedelics, just for a really short time, and when you are sober again, everything is normal ...
tomson587 He didn't exactly state that the awareness itself is the ego. He said we still percieve everything in the physical realm through the eyes of an ego meaning the ego is more of a lense which our awareness uses to communicate with other people and this world.
Churka what happens when you aren’t perceiving anything other than the awareness of being alive that’s my “ego death” experience in a nut shell you realize you’ve been doing the same thing the whole time finding yourself and maintaining it
Some DMTards believe they've had ego death because they were sure they were experiencing actual death on a trip. "you" don't exist - when it realizes that, the ego can die - google: Mind is a Myth/Chapter 1 - The Well
Very good point you explained that majority of psychonauts don't consider when they think they've got all the answers to life. When people think DMT showed them the "afterlife", they forget that their heart was still beating the whole time.
Your heart is supposed to be beating that is the point. You learn that true awareness transcends the physical body.
I was wrongfully imprisoned. When I got out. I couldnt shake who I had to become in there. I couldnt get rid of all the anger and hatred because I was thrown in there and lost everything. I relapsed on drugs after being clean for 7 years. I got worse to the point I scared myself amd everyone around me. I was out of control. Finally tried to kill myself so I wouldnt hurt anyone, but somehow survives 11k mg of serequil after spending a couple days in a coma.
When I got out. My friend gave me 2 hits of LSD. It saved my life. Short story my soul or whatever left my body as a bunch of molecules spread out. I was then up in a space somewhere connected to alot more, as far as you could see it was just molecules attached to each other. I felt my dead brother presence, I was 100 happy and content. Never have I felt that way. I stayed up there the whole time. Then was slammed back into my body. All the snger amd hatres was gone. Dodnt want to use drugs anymore. I could see things much more clearly. I understaod so much more, I could actually self reflect and work on problems I had and a lot more. That experience saved my life. Completely changed me down to the core.
The other night. I was sttipled of my body and I guess soul. Because I just was, no form, not concept of anything. It's. Lile I was just a thought. Then next thing I know I am fighting something. I had the option to give in. But I didn't. After I won. Something said that wax for my soul. I had few more battles. Then a bunch of situations that tested my moraloty.... thats the short version. Its freaking insane to experience from being created to life after death.
When I experienced the dearh it all happened in a second or two. Everything melted and I fell to the ground, but that second or two on earth contained a lot of time and memories where ever it was that I went.,
Im going through a similar situation.
Quality video bro, Gave me some well needed self realisation and change of perspective. Thanks for the insight my dude.
I had an accidental ego death. That's what lead me done this road. I had a severe accident with a saw and went into shock. I thought my body was dying because I couldnt move and see but I was still conscious. I thought my heart was going to stop cuz everything was shutting down. I realized how full of fear I was and didnt want my final moments to be in fear. I wanted to be at peace. I accepted the "fact" I was about to die and let go. Let it just wash over. For several minutes it was just pure experience until my brother pulled up to the emergency room and pulled me out and the nurses started talking to me. "I" came back and I'm fine now, but it made me think back to hearing about the dissolution of the ego.
Finally someone makes more rational sense. The reason you can do it without psychedelics. Was confused why people kept saying ego death, when I only felt that I had control over the egos impulses. Have never tried psychedelics, but I’ve had raise of awareness a few times. Only a year and a half I’ve started something I didn’t know would lead to what it is now, and I’m pretty excited what else will happen.
You don't completely rid yourself of the ego when you experience ego death. Your ego dies but is reborn with a new level of understanding and enlightenment. In order to achieve that you must let go of everything you know (or think you know) thus, the ego death. This is also known as a natural death, or spiritual death, not to be confused with eternal death (the death of your physical self). Source: Taita Juan of Columbia
Think of the definition of ego death as “the TEMPORARY loss of all long and short term memory”. When you have no memories of your self, it is like you have died. No one thinks you actually die, but you experience the world without memory of self.
The ego is your individual subjective identity. It is “you”. It is “the self”. During ego death “you” vanishes entirely and you reach the state of just _being._ “Ego Death” is the temporary disillusionment from the self. Your consciousness/awareness is different from your ego.
How can you equal ego with awareness, if ego is identification with the thought process of your mind, there’s many different practices you can take on to completely accept and free yourself from chains of illusions, to get out of space and time , to be here now , out of love , acceptance awareness is naturally like that. But ego is not , even saying ego is not is ego. Because once you accept the ego and learn to sit with it with some space , well it becomes less and less personal and more conscious. Who is becoming more conscious no one is , just phenomenon happening. When you trust everything like your very own heartbeat that’s when the magic happenstance. Btw I have taken 10 tabs of lsd many times and large doses of shrooms same around 10 grams, dmt, and salvia. Now these are good for starters if you really wanna dive deep just find something to quiet your mind and to open your heart and you will find some loving awareness. Any who great channel and videos Tom love yah
I always took it that ego death meant the riddance of the “social mask” you have at the time of the DMT experience. I never took it that it was meant as any sort of permanent death of the ego.
I think ego is the personality that has been shaped by society. We were each someone else before we learned everything from other people. We were taught to see what others wanted us to see.
Don't be so quick to dismiss the possibilty. You wouldn't know if it was possible or not (referring to 'permanent ego death') unless you actually lived it. Another paradox. Billions of humans have walked this earth within infinity and truth be told you can't account for any of the realities (or states of consciousness) any of them have lived or experienced except for your own, right now. If you understand both the magnitude of this reality and the magnitude of possibilities 'within' this reality, then you would not be opposed to, or dismiss, the idea (or possibility) that a human being could exist in total 100% recognition of the nature of eternity, having this life pass through them rather than passing through it (as it) - and thus passing through this life free from fear. You will find most of the seemingly genuine 'spiritual teachers' or great realisers point one towards confronting their fear and mortality (rather than seeking eternity), encouraging one to inspect who it is that feels this intense underlying resistance towards death (and simultaneously life/reality & the unknown). I'm not saying that total utter ego death is possible or impossible, but I am saying it's impossible to dismiss the possibility.
Robert Adams:
“For a Jnani who has realized the identity of his inner being with the infinite Brahman there is no rebirth, no migration, and no liberation. He is beyond all this. He is firmly established in his own Absolute Existence-Knowledge-Bliss true nature. The further existence of his body and the world appears to the Jnani as an illusion, which he cannot remove, but which no longer deceives him. After the death of this body, as in life, he remains where and what he eternally is, the first principle of all beings and things: formless, nameless, unsoiled, timeless, dimensionless and utterly free. Death cannot touch him, cravings cannot torture him, sins do not stain him; he is free from all desire and suffering. He sees the infinite Self in all, and all in the infinite Self, which is his being. The Jnani confesses his experience thus: I am infinite, imperishable, Self-luminous, Self-existent, I am without beginning or end, I am birthless, deathless, without change or decay. I permeate and interpenetrate all things. In the myriad universes of thought and creation, I Alone Am.”
That being said, this is still an excellent video and does accurately address the topic in many ways.
Namaste
It was incredibly difficult finding a video of this nature ANYWHERE. I agree with you. There is no way of killing the ego. The ego is a part of our souls experience in learning how to deal with certain obstacles at certain times of its journey. Throw that away and you throw the baby out with the bathwater. Our world is saturated with this crap now and it is starting to get quite suspicious now.
Great vid bro. keep em coming.
Thank you I had a ego death and lose my purpose. Cause with out my ego I lose my Identity. I realize everything is meaningless and worthless. And if everything is worthless there is no meaning for existence or consciousness.
The ego is also used as a defense mechanism. But if people aren’t aware of that they can really go down a dark hole. Our design as humans is very complex. Awareness is helpful for everyone.
Can’t what you say be exactly the point of seeking ego death? A workout for the ego, getting rid of it so it can be stronger and healthier afterwards. Breaking it down so you may understand it better and rebuild it in a better manner afterwards.
Hi Tom,
first of all, thank you for your hard work you're putting in this videos, I love what your doing and I can feel the love you're spreading through them. I'm really glad that I've found your channel (mainly due to Adam's channel and your collaborations!)! be aware that your informations and your experiences are travelling the world (I'm from Italy, so not really behind the corner ;))!
Secondly I ask you for your opinion: it's some years now that I do a ton of research on drugs, and I really feel the desire to start a journey on the psychedelic ship, if you know what I mean. I've already had a lot of experience with marijuana and one light dose of magic mushrooms some years ago but now I want to go further, I feel it could give me some important insight on myself, giving me some clarity I need!
Nevertheless, seeing your latest videos, I fell like it could be a mistake, I fear I put too much faith in something that doesn't deserve it. What do you think? Would you reccomend trying these psychedelic substances if I feel drawn to them (mainly shrooms, lsd and maybe DMT one day), or should I leave them and dedicate myself on other practices (which I already intend to do)?
I would really appreciate a response from you!
Anyway keep up the marvellous work, you're a beautiful soul!
Much love
PEACE
Carl said the "self" lies beneath the "ego" they're aren't the same
A wise man once sang ‘Ego! Is not a dirty word’ - and this is so true. Ego is a survival mechanism we use to survive in a world where everything is done through physical means. Our ancestors hunted and fought with neighbouring tribes for access to the best hunting fields. Without ego, a tribe would have perished. Without Ego, nothing would have been discovered or invented. Ego is necessary for our day to day lives. I need ego to get to work on time, I need ego to get a raise, I need ego to outbid the competition. A child needs ego at school, teachers need ego to teach. As you can see, the use of ego is endless. Why? Because in a world governed by physics, everything you want you must go and get - physically. Most importantly - what you need is scarce, and hence you need to fight for what you want. Ego is not a bad word, it is truth. Now imagine a ‘place’ where physics doesn’t exist. Imagine there is no need to eat, or fight with neighbours for scarce recourses. There would be very little use for an Ego in such a place. I believe this is the reason why people claim to have an ‘ego death’ when using psychedelics. People have also claimed to not have felt any ego when in their near death or out of body experience.
Ego is not awareness
This. I think Tom's definition of the ego is different to most
Doary yes but to suggest that mind and awareness are emergent properties from the ego is simply a paradigm
Awareness of “I”
Your Mate Tom you say 'awareness of "I" ' implying an object of awareness that you call "I" but of course the object of awareness can't be the cause of the awareness as you have suggested. This perception of an ego is an emergent phenomenon from awareness itself
Why can't something be aware of itself? Please elaborate
The ego is the physical self. Ego death is the realization that there is no self. The physical is an illusion as you as the eternal soul that we all share.
The whole ego death thing exemplifies the difficulty in trying to eff the ineffable. We use "almost words" that almost say what we mean and leave huge gaps for interpretation and assumption. Most people equate ego with pride, and that's only a small part of it. Far better to equate ego with personality, that which makes one a person. I.E.: That which savors the sunrise despite the chill.
Even though the ego is not going to actually die and cease to exist, it is possible to peak underneath it. Ego is not something that you own, it is a process. It is not some finished entity that you can manipulate, but you can bring your awareness into such a state that you are able to perceive the process as it unfolds. Noticing it can be quite disturbing and it is understandable that the associated feeling of discomfort has been associated with "death", even though that is not what is happening during the experience.
To me, it was like being able to notice that a movie that I am constantly watching was actually a sequence of images following one another. Usually, when we watch a movie we let ourselves get sucked into the illusion because we perceive the sequence of images as entities moving in a scene. If we could raise our visual perception we would see the series of images like a slideshow. Thus, being able to notice each part of a process to which we are usually oblivious.
In the same way, being able to see the ego being constantly created yanks us out of the illusion, even though it does not actually kill the ego. As soon as we get back to our usual state of awareness we cannot help being sucked back into the perception of the continuity of our ego. That's how the ego is supposed to work and there is no way to operate without it (unless we want to become psychotic).
I don't think many people believe your ego dies permenantly from a trip or from anything else like yoga/meditation, it's more like a practice of understanding the ego better and more deeply so you can have a healthy one.
"Potential" sounds like a much better choice than "potentiality" just because it's easier to say
I don't get the concept that people want to kill their ego???? I was always afraid of losing my ego and in my experience I was clinging to my ego so hard but it wasn't coming back to me. Now I'm afraid of anything that makes me drift away even a little bit. Your insights are really interesting. Please teach me.❤️
What about Codependency, BPD, no sense of self? Betrayal or PTSD The sudden collapse of ones reality and Catatonia when you leave the dimensional world, how about depression when your own voice tells you commit suicide, or panic the complete loss of control over ones thoughts, or Post partem depression Andrea Yates and Schizophrenia the loss of ones filter, and DID where you are fragmented, and Depersonalization Derealization Disorder when you think you are dreaming, dead, or stuck inbetween and one of the worst OCD, stuck with compulsion to repeat but last but not least ASPD complete take over of your soul. I know the people still have an ego but is that not sort of dead, if you cannot perceive it?
That chasing the dragon clip from South Park is so true when it comes to drug use haha...
yeah but you win the game by ending the game, or not really win but you complete it by ending it... and what does it matter cause someone else can pick up the controller and start again. If you ask me that's life and not drug use, the drugs are just there to make it worthwhile, or to explain to just be yourself in this weirdness :p
for me every time I do a drug and have a good experience that's when I "ride the dragon" but when I want that same experience again I can never "catch the dragon" and have that same experience no matter how many times I try
Alex Tarasov hmm the dragon is like a message maybe, and you didn't really get it the first time?
or well, u did, but it takes time to proces or something idk man
when you get the message hang up the phone haha
For around a year now I have been stuck in a place where I can't see value or meaning in anything, I no longer believe in good or bad or really even believe in free will, atleast not much of it. I cannot believe in spirituality or religion to any extent, I cannot derive meaning from anything. I do not feel bad, not even that empty, I just don't think I even trust the idea of feeling to have any legitimacy. I am an organic machine running seemingly random algorithms with no sophisticated aim or objective, or the ability to see any objective point in such things. I don't really know what I'm referring to when I say "i" beyond my still seemingly alive body. I don't think I believe anything anymore, not strongly atleast... It's nearly every day that the thought crosses my mind that I could just be in a coma, and that I will wake up on some hospital bed this all having been a dream. I have never been addicted to or used any drugs really, just mushrooms a few times really. The more recent times nothing new really happened, I even had similar experiences of temporarily losing all memory or sense of self followed by an inability to make any real sense of the world. I don't think there is any real sense of the world. There just is, and I no longer even bother to think or feel in a way in response to it. I still seem to function fine, I just feel less human and mostly unmotivated.
Same story for me but it gets better tho somehow
I've never seen why people talk bad about ego! Doesn't ego mean thinking you are important? As long as you realise every other living creature is just as important as you I think it's a good thing!!!
I think what they mean by ego death is the disassociation of self while under the influence of a psychedelic which can cause u to have a very profound experience
I feel like you're mixing up here the term "Ego" with "Consciousness". If you've reached a state where you feel you are everyone and everything, you have forgotten you have a name, that you are a human being - that's indeed ego loss/death. Ego is the identity, the separate "me". Having consciousness that's able to perceive things, that's something else. And I think that's what people mean when using these terms.
I believe that you can go into a state of "ego death" with or without psychedelics through simple meditation practices. However, the key word is "state"...The "death" part, I take issue with as it implies permenance. I agree you cannot experience static ego death whilst alive but you can certainly experience non duality and detachment from concept of self for finite periods. You are VERY correct on the sneaky aspects of ego. It's incredibly sly.
I felt very egotistical writing this. That is all.
It makes much more sense than having people chase this "ego death" many fall into but it's just better to recognize a balanced ego.
Ego is a persistent side-effect of concentrated consciousness, living through time.
Seeking out ego death is a risky prospect because of the possibility that the individual may be unable to reassemble their identity once the effects of the drug wear off - which usually occurs within 12 hours on LSD, though the duration increases in parallel with dosage. What was intended as a temporary unravelling can become permanent, and the individual's perception of reality can be altered for the rest of their life. No matter how experienced the LSD user, there is always the possibility - however small - that one trip can change the trajectory of a life by inducing a psychosis or mental disorder that was previously dormant.
Tom, the ego doesn't have the experience of no ego, the ego death is the end of the experiencer, so there is no free will or controler in this state. In Ego death there is just reality as a hole and no individual self which is experiencing it.
Awareness is whats "watching"the ego/mind..the more aware we are the less were in our mind..but we cant "escape" it,like some say..we can just be more&more aware!Great vid as always!L&L❤
Isnt looking or observing one of the functions or abilities of the mind? I think it most certainly is and i think that you are trying to put or impose some artificial boundaries on it where there is none. Its all just one and the same thing after all. Call it mind, consciosness, spirit, energy, soul, being or whatever else word you would like to use. It can express itself in variety of different states or modes of being, be it watching, thinking, love, sadness, excitement, happiness, hope, want or desire, fear, rest and so on.
I am reading some of these comments.... How silly that some people believe something so relative and creative (like the human mind and perception of reality and self) can consist of "facts" and "absolutes". I respect your inquiry and awareness. I believe it is essential to pose questions towards the audience like you do, as to encourage individuals to think for themselves about a concept. As always, duality is an illusion and there is only ONE so to say anything is truly 'wrong' is an subjective opinion.
You miss understand. Ego death is realization that your ego is only an illusion. so you dont identify with it. And therefor you dont suffer any longer from the ego's fear of eventual physical death. allows you to freely enjoy life
@Your Mate Tom part of the confusion with 'ego death' comes from some oriental writings, specifically discussions about bardo - the concept of death, and what it means in certain contexts, gets lost when it's taken into what has become the modern concept of 'ego death' - as you say transmutation, or transformation, is more appropriate. An alteration of states... But, alteration of states is the 'death' of bardo.
Awareness and ego are different things. The experience of the ego requires awareness, but the reverse is not true. Newborns are aware, but have not yet developed a sense of self or ego. The sense of self is merely another appearance in awareness.
Yes, ego death is a misnomer. Without an ego, we couldn’t function. In extreme ego death experiences, we lose access to memories and concepts. We see our body but we have no idea what it is. Watch Jill Bolte Taylor’s TED Talk: My Stroke of Insight for a detailed account of what it’s like. What most are seeking is a temporary experience of no ego followed by reintegration in which the ego is no longer the master of our lives, but is instead a servant that can be used as required.
Great points in the vid :) But I think you can have actual ego death for brief moments. When you get so far out that you forget about any "self" whatsoever. Maybe deep sleep could be called an ego death of sorts, as well.
Love this. This guy is really mature spiritually
ego death is literally you die during a trip. I have had this happen on Salvia. After this happens life is different. You value it a lot more after this happens. Most people can't possibly understand unless you try it yourself. Science can't explain anything of this. What I would refer to enlightening substances are Salvia, peyote, Ayahuasca, etc.
Ego death is a phrase used to describe a particular experience one has while using powerful psychedelics. Ego Death is when one hits a level of psychedelic experience where they become completely unaware of their ego. It just so happens that the experience CAN have long term effects on ones psyche, positive and negative. One who experiences "ego death" during a psychedelic experience, may have a new perspective and see the world in a less egocentric way afterwards. It is basically a metaphor for a specific type of psychedelic experience that may or may not have a long-term psychological impact, and that is all. It's important to consider the context of how that phrase is typically used.
I always say that ego death is just a way to create a better and newer ego.
Studies show after an ego death experience the part of the brain responsible for the ego is enhanced and is reinforced
Yeah this is bang on.. even if "you" isn't going on the trip, you're still viewing what's happening from a specific perspective. Like you're still progressing through a tunnel or watching some entities etc. and you still have a position relative to them, even if you lose your feeling of your specific thought process / personality
You've just perfectly described Leo Gura hahaha, very high quality video again Tom!
I agree ego deaths are rare. Almost unheard of. But I’ve seen someone. Who didn’t have anything. Got so confused and couldn’t get a grip. No footing at all. I think they’re real. Just extremely uncommon.
Strictly speaking, literal ego death may be an impossible quest, but I don't see much problem with the term ego dissolution, as this is exactly what it feels like, (the disruption of boundaries between opposites) and what fMRI scans indicate is happening, based on the powering down of the default mode netowrk.
Your videos are getting way much better mate.. love it ..
I'm 8 minutes in and this is completely mind blowing. ABSOLUTELY love this. Dropping big knowledge that is beyond necessary on this path....thank you 🙏🙏🙏
The ego is not just a facet of yourself, but rather the totality of "yourself" in the "human experience". Thus one can not kill the ego and still retain the human "sense of self". One can however peer into higher levels of the"self" but in my opinion the "self" is all there truly is, and in its most absolute form is what most refer to as God or the Universe. We are this mind experiencing itself infinitely trying to rationalize our infinite existence, through finite experiences.
We are not bound to time and space, because we are Consciousness Itself, which is already prior to time and space, and therefore is never bound by it. We CAN and should transcend our ego, which is entirely possible, and can be a permanent realization.
Ego is the vehicle we need to live in this reality. We can't kill the ego obviously without dying for real. We can only become aware that we are not the vehicle.
From my perspective, the ego is nothing more but a coping mechanism that developed very early in childhood as a result of pro longed stressed parenting with the aim to decrease the sensitivity to pain so it can prevent further body damage. Because our bodies were developing at a very fast rate, its possible that the brain reshaped itself so what was meant to be a temporary justified disconnect, evolved as a perpetual unconscious mental habit which today goes by the name of ADHD, OCD, Depression, DPDR so on. Buddhas mother died 2 months after he was born and was raised isolated from the outer world for a long time, by his mothers sister. What I think he was reffering to when he said to stop desire is to cease the addictive behaviour. Addiction is not a mental illness, but a coping mechanism as well, just as ADHD and all mentioned above. Addiction is not the problem, but a natural response to repressed pain. Listen to your thoughts whenever and however they arrive, and so you can reveal your potential to decrypt the symbols that lay behind your present impulses to past experiences. Your thoughts are not there to harm you, but to help you understand yourself, so dont try to get rid of them, because you will fight yourself to death. Psychedelics can be extremely effective if you have already figured this out because due to the novelty that they bring about, it provides you with a sort of very sophisticated simulation that tests your ability to let go of your own past so you can be in the present forever and ever. Don't take anything for granted of what I just said, just look within and sense it.
I have to admit, i almost lost interest in your channel some time ago. It was too hyperspiritual for my liking, i am glad that you take a changed approach now. Your latest videos are fantastic.
A few days ago i went to the subreddit /LSD and its a mess. So many inflated and selftricked people there. It was quite terrifying and on the same note interesting to look at from a Jungian perspective.
Keep up the good work!
One of the reasons I've deleted so many of my past videos (and will continue to do so). At the end of the day, spreading ignorance literally spreads more suffering. Tough pill to swallow, but we have to take responsibility for our actions. And yes, many people are greatly deceived in the spiritual realm unfortunately.
😂😂😂 Irony alert! 😂😂😂
dude, I was about to write the same. so happy for this change
What a breath of fresh air this video has been. Spiritual materialism is growing so rampant in this current phase of psychedelic popularization.
Ego doesn't equal mine it's just one aspect of the mind. Or, you could say that ego and mine are two aspects of the subtle body. At least that's my basic understanding based on nondual Indian spiritual thought. AWSOME video overall! I'm just starting out on my psychedelic exploration with ketamine and I had something resembling an ego death/dissolution experience recently which I'm trying to put into perspective. This video is very useful to that end for me. Thanks.
It is very accurate to say that I have had an ego death. Psychedelics can give you an experience where you are not you, and they can put you in a place where it is not here. My physical body may not have died but in this experience it does not exist. I have felt death while in these experiences and that is what an ego death is. I died and so did my ego.
Great video Tom, very well produced, music was just right, not too over the top, images all coalesced very well into one another, and you spoke very candidly and genuinely. you seem to have made a lot if progress integrating your dark night of the soul, I wish you the best of luck in your Journey! Oh and the muscle analogy was very original and enlightening if you'll excuse the pun
glad you are still making videos tom!!!!
Absolutely Wonderful! It’s been such a wild experience following your channel. Watching you rise, fall, and grow. Thank you for the honesty and letting us tag along for the ride! Great content as always, much love. ❤️
I think this video is a little overly cynical. Most people understand that when you undergo a psychedelic ego death that it is only a temporary experience and that the ego comes back.
If you are arguing that it isn’t valid at all because you need an ego to even experience the state of ego death, I think that’s an ineffable question that you can’t claim to have an absolute answer on anymore than the people who say you truly are experiencing an ego less state. You’ll just have to agree to disagree with the people who believe there is something more profound happening.
I ate 1.5 bags of shrooms while drunk, then shotgunned a bowl of sativa/indica. I wasn’t in the right environment for that experience and it devastated me.
The last Thing you said about not ignoring the "real world" and the real world and our ego being as divine as the spirit world was some really wise words tom! Good video!😄👍🏼
A-1 video tom. So glad you're still at it
This video is as close to perfection as it gets. By that, I mean it struck a perfect balance between reality & spirituality. Rationality of the ego self & the spiritual ego self. GOOD job Tom. And thanks man. Love from the UK my Aussie cousin!
I liked how Michael Pollan recently described the dissolving / death of ego experience. I understand where you are coming from with your video Tom, but i feel the description often floated by psychonauts of 'ego death' is actually a good one. Anyway Michael Pollan's comments: "I had this experience of complete ego dissolution, my sense of self fell apart it was like a bunch of post-it's being blown in the wind. Then i saw myself spread out on the landscape like paint, but i was still seeing it. It was an experience from a new vantage, I wasn't my usual self. I know it sounds weird and we don't have the first person pronoun to explain this. But what it taught me was, we assume we are identical to our ego, this chattering voice in our head that's telling us what to do. It can be very harsh, sometime telling us what to do, but it can also defend us against fresh experiences, emotions, against other people. It was that voice, that dissolved, in such a way that felt "ooooh...I'm not identical to my ego". There's another ground on which to stand and take in reality. It's really the idea that; these defenses you've built up over your whole life, you don't need them and you can lower them and not face complete annihilation. "
This is my favourite one of your videos so far Tom! Very refreshing to see someone not trying to sugar coat spirituality.
"you do not need to go to the extreme end of the spectrum to live a good life". those words hit me hard,thx tom
This video/info is really important. Wish more could understand this.