I switched from KTM to Beta... Regrets? Or is it better?
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I've owned my Beta 500 RR-S Dual Sport for one year. Would I buy one again? What are the pros and cons? Is it better than a KTM?
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I bought a 2022 Beta 500 RR-S in April after getting a chance to ride eight different models during a Beta ride day at my local dealer. After my first ride I noticed liquid had dripped into the truck bed on my way home. It turned out to be a coolant leak on the lower right side of the engine. My Beta dealer made the repair under warranty. On my second ride I got the "yellow" fuel injection warning light, so I made my way back to the truck; loaded it up and delivered it to the dealer. Again, they made the repair under warranty and this time the issue was the coolant temperature sensor (mounted just behind the radiator). On my third ride the injection warning light came on again. By now I was very disappointed as the bike had spent more time at the dealer than in my garage. When I picked it up from the dealer, they told me they had to do a program reset.
Since then, I've ridden it as hard as I could with no issues. I've also reverted back to doing basic fundamentals that involve very slow riding, which tends to keep the radiator fan running, and still haven't had any more issues. A big thank you to my dealer as they made the repairs, didn't look at me funny and treated me well.
yeah not all. dealers are created equal apparently which sucks but I'm glad you had a good experience
I've got 220 hours on my Beta 300RE and have had zero mechanical issues. All the repairs I've needed to do were from nut behind the handlebars
I've owned a DRZ400S (two actually), DR650, CRF300L Rally, CRF450L (which you considered buying, we spoke on the phone about it), and then a 2021 KTM 500 EXC-F Six Days I bought with only 60 miles on it. All these bikes have pros and cons. The KTM started having issues with less than 100 miles on it with a CEL coming on. I couldn't get a straight answer from the dealer about it. I tried replacing stuff but was then told I need to buy an aftermarket ECU to make it run right. Unacceptable for what is literally the most expensive dual sport.
I recently purchased a 2022 Beta 430 RR-S and my initial impressions are very good. They're $1,000 less than the comparable KTMs and are well-sorted off the showroom floor. No need to mess with fueling. Beta USA is also great at taking care of their customers.
Shameless plug I've done videos and shared my thoughts on all these bikes on my shitty channel.
Any problems with the Beta since writing this @ChasingTrail?
@@aj13243 I no longer have the Beta because I'm a hopeless bike whore but I had no issues with it during my ownership other than it would occasionally have a hard time starting when it was hot. My friend that has the exact same bike has had next to no issues with is. He had the same hot start issue on his first ride on it but hasn't had that happen since.
Any issues with the beta since?
Wow. What a beautiful machine! It's always helpful to learn as much as possible about the "customer service and support" experienced with your machines. Dealership support can make or break brand loyalty and "word of mouth " rider stories. Thanks.
2 videos every week is just amazing.
Is it? Why?
Gorgeous looking bike. I love my Husky FE501. I changed from 14:48 to 13:50 gearing and now no more stalling or flame outs. Can still do 100 kmh on the road to link the trails. So much torque in these big bore singles. Very addictive. No Beta dealers near me which would be my only concern. I’d love to see more videos of your 500 on the trails. Cheers
Great review! I have the '21 500 RR-S and absolutely love it. I also tend to ride with the "rain/tamed" fuel mapping, especially in slow stuff. The fast map is pretty aggressive; I couldn't see myself ever feeling like its underpowered. It's an awesome feature to be able to switch between fuel map settings on the fly. Click the switch and you're set!
I have had no issues at all with my bike. The electrical issues you mentioned were resolved on newer bikes (to my knowledge) and no longer a potential problem. Also, getting parts has been pretty painless. Anytime I've done mods/upgrades, I ordered the parts online and they arrive quickly. The Beta dealer in San Diego was quick to turn around my bike when I upgraded my suspension. Stock suspension was great, but I'm a big guy and wanted the springs (front and rear) matched to my riding weight.
Me and the bike will be at the San Diego ADV Rally in November, you're welcome to take the bike for a spin if you are there again this year.
Cool bike, nice review as always, Ian. Back in the '90's, I had a Beta Zero 260 two - stroke trials bike. Rode and competed in the local trials club. Other than liquid cooling and spoked wheels, completely different from your Beta in every single way... however, good to see a bike with the same name , and hear positive experience.
Hahaha your bike collection is outta hand Ian! My one stop shop channel for every bike I’ll ever need to know about lol. Nice work!
Great review Ian love your work
Thanks Ian, was going to get a FE501 Husky but got my eyes now set on a Beta RR480 Racing. Just love the colours... and a dealer close by... Love your reviews... We the perfect garage now with KTM 2022 1290R and the Beta coming soon. Wife has gone the Honda route with 2016 Africa Twin DCT and a CRF300L. she loves both. Please keep up the good reviews... this Beta will be my 93rd motorcycle owned...
Fabulous looking Bike, I had not heard of this Italian Brand, thank you for the great review!
Congratulations on your channel bro.
Another practical and thoughtful review. Thanks Ian. It would be interesting to to a comparison between Beta enduro 4 stroke bikes like the 390, 430 and 500.
I like that you're being a "Beta Tester" for us! I hope you get another one someday!
Great review! Gets me thinking about a change. Hard to get ride of my tagged KTM 450xc-w though.
I love my 2021 Beta 500 RRS. It's been a great bike so far. And I think the newer dual injected motors might have that extra punch you mentioned you were missing. Mine is very strong, especially in the "normal mapping" mode. And they re-did the electrical in 2020, and it seems to have fixed those electrical gremlins. I've had zero issues with mine.
Love my 21 500rrs. Only thing I’ve ever had to do was let the evap fall off lol, did you ever have issues with it dying at idle at high altitude in the heat? Losing the evap fixed the issue permanently.
@@ridemotoeveryday2524 no, mine has always run really well, zero problems. 😊👍
@@rockymountainlife nice, might be a California issue. Ride safe brotha!
Hey big rock moto.. awesome content. I almost bought a africa twin but instead went with the ktm sar. Wow what a bike. You need to get your hands on one of these
I’ve got a couple buddies with the same bike. They have a lot of fun running up Saddleback mountain etc.
Beta 390 RRS review would be nice!! Great video, thanks
Great vid as always.
Great review!
Yes , a beautiful bike ! please get the current model and report on the fueling. Wonderful to support a customer service friendly company like Beta , especially where the competition gets arrogant.
Good stuff!
Another Great review..
You do the best reviews
I’ve been fortunate to have owned many bikes. Within the last 2 years I have bought a couple Beta’s…300RE and 200rr. They’re great bikes. I still have a heavily modded 20 500 excf, but wouldn’t hesitate to buy a Beta 500. The CRF450L was ok after the ecu/pipe etc. If I sell my KTM 500 it’ll be replaced with a Beta.
Lovely lookin ride
Ajp pr7 review please! This seems like it would be right up your alley! Cheers
Quick question while I thoroughly enjoy your videos and the variety that you present I was wondering do you actually compete in Enduro’s, and or sanctioned dual sport rides?
If you in fact do you compete in Enduro’s or hare scrambles, what Level of competition are you ranked?
Love your videos! Do you have any experience with the Christini AWD 450 Explorer? Thanks!
Unlike KTM, Honda, Yamaha, etc Beta has a pass on the latest emission requirements as they are considered a low volume producer. My 2020 Husqvarna FE350S though seriously restricted does not flame out and has decent fueling; with my skills and use I do not plan on upgrades.
Another good video!
before you get the brand new Beta, get a Hawk 250 Efi please lol. I'll keep mentioning it until you do.
I have a 22 430RR-S. I've spent 30 hours on it, absolutely love it. Power delivery is very linear, handles well, suspension is good enough for my weight. Stock tires, not so good for New England snot.
I have same bike. What does your engine temp run a slow speed riding? I'm not sure if mine is running a little to hot
Awesome review Ian. Short but sweet. I’ve owned my 16 300 RR since new, still in love with it over 200hrs later. I would really love it if you purchased a brand new 430 RRS to test and compare. The 430 and the 390 are my favorite Beta 4 strokes. I’ve ridden all of them and those are the stand outs to me. I think the 430 will give you that punch your looking for and still be a tractor down low.
How’s the small bump feel? 890R is a little firm on this. They said they changed the revaluing on that. You never mentioned it. As always, you do a very thorough review🤔
Seriously considering a Beta 390
Me too. Thinking of selling my KTM 690r and replacing it with the 390.
Why 390 over 500?
Same
Me too once they get rid of that stupid two spark plug on the rece edition I’d love an rx but it’s on the old frame there messed up they make it to hard to get one too if you ask me plus they all been run to long and suppose to be brand new bikes they got to have time on them to put them together they can keep there junk
@@stevecarmack6267 if you’re still considering I could get you 390 and we could trade for the 690 R
Would be great to see you do a review of and AWD Christini
I would absolutely love to see Beta develope a 500-650cc twin ADV bike, keeping it as minimalistic as possible. Basically a Vtwin dualsport/adv.
I'm going to watch all of this, but skipped to the end to see how you liked it. Then I was going to ask if you have ridden a newer one? So, if you like this 2017, I assume you'll love a current Generation model (2022?). I have new X Trainer and like it a lot.
I have a 2021 500 rr-s and I absolutely love it.
I would buy another Beta any day.
For what it’s worth my ‘22 Honda 450RL does not flame out. Dealer network and reliability made it the choice for me. One guy I’ve run into on the trail dumped his Beta because of poor quality, but I can’t speak to that personally. I know I have never had any issues with my Honda and I’ve ridden it very hard on and off road. It’s a bit heavy but I do just fine in single track here in Colorado. Road it in Moab and it’s a dream in the sand. 1500 mile oil changes and someday a valve adjustment at 16k miles. I change oil after every off-road single track weekend but I probably don’t need to. The clutch is a bit stiff after a couple hours in single track, that would be my only complaint. I’m 6’2” 220 and I don’t really care about it being heavier than the lightest options out there, way lighter than my africa twin, durability for me equals no worry about walking back to the truck through the mountains. Not trying to knock any other brands I just want people to know Honda seems to have made a tweak to the computer and solved the flame out issue.
Hi Ian. what size tank do you have? Is it aftermarket?
I love most all motorcycles .. But now you're starting to talk my bike language....😁
Last year in March I ordered a beta 390 rrs. Bike showed up in June. I last bike I had was a Honda XR650R. The 390 is alot better to throw around. Id buy a Beta again because of customer service. Sons Beta 300rr blew a motor. Beta overnighted a motor to dealer
interesting , I just sold my beloved big sweet blue DR650 whiich had a ton of mods on , thinking of heading to bank to pick up a like new 2019 Husky 501 , but you got thinking about this Beta
Nice looking video! Did you put an ND filter on your lens to shoot in the bright daylight and still get that sweet bokeh, with a wide-open aperture? I also see a bunch of detail on your plaid shirt: sharpening is on point! Or did you use a new camera? :) Anyway - great video!
You still have your Beta?
One of the nice things about Beta, is any "year" complaint, they seem to address it the following year. The definitely listen to their customers. My 22 came with a Diaphragm Clutch, which is a single finger pull clutch. Great! I was giving mine a few months on the 15 tooth, but I'll absolutely be moving to the 13 tooth sprocket. 15 is too tall for nasty PNW wet and technical stuff.
Where are you in the PNW? I'm in Columbia county, OR, with my 390 RRS.
@@ResoluteKraken Pacific City (Tillamook co)
Please try a Sherco 501 next.
Do you think you'd do a supermoto review one day. 690/701?
You can always take the armor out of your jacket and wear it over an armor suit! This way you have impact protection and abrasion resistance
Very true
Have you been around a KTM 620? They're an older bike and I don't know the reliability or quality of the older KTMs. I have a beta 390 but I am trying to trade one of my vehicles or sell it for another bike and thought about trying a larger dual sport. I think it'll just be like a heavier version of my bike and not have any of the benefits of an "adventure" bike.
If you had to choose one bike for light adventure and BDR and camping multiple days .
Fuel range to empty is very important with a dual sport bike. What is your maximum observed range with the stock tank? Of course modifications will effect this. My 2016 Husqvarna 501S would travel 120 miles max. Modified for power it would drop to 85 miles. My 2021 KTM 500 XCF-W is considerably more fuel efficient and will go 140+ miles. I attribute the difference to the lighter weight (235 lbs dry), and closed loop fuel injection system that utilizes a Lamba sensor in the head pipe. This latest FI system is much better in regards to low speed stalling, but not perfect. Adding more fuel will eliminate stalling but at the cost of maximum range. One can always add a larger capacity fuel tank but then you add weight and bulk high on the chassis that destroys single track handling. I find that the 140 mile range of the stock tank is enough for most of my riding and lets me enjoy the big single in very steep and challenging terrain. A Rekluse auto clutch and LHRB are expensive but worthwhile additions that help eliminate stalling and add control, allowing me to run with the 300’s in the gnar.
That 501 of yours did rip, and it fueled well, I had great control of it, never hesitated or felt like stalling. That must have been after you modified it for power. Handled well, too.
What about service intervals?
How's the maintenance?
ktm500 has 72mm stroke and the sherco and beta are 63mm. This makes a slightly slower revving motor but heaps of torque. But KTM completely bodge it with their fuel map. I don't understand why ktm don't provide 2 Fuel maps in their ECU - like Off road Competition and California emissions mode.
You have to replace the plastic oil pump gear right away with steel one. Also I'm no fan of the plastic subframe when compared to my Husky subframe which I know can also and will break. And one should mention that Beta's seem about 3/4 of the size of KTM/Husky which can be a good thing. It was just a surprise when I was looking. But otherwise I would have a Beta sitting right next to my Husky501. Cheers!
Oh duh...you mentioned the oil pump gear.....I should finish watching before typing comments....thanks again for the review.
What's your thoughts on a crf450rl ????
Does it have a strong sub frame?
Priced higher than the CRF450RL ($9999) so I’m not sure if I would go with a Beta. Also the 2 dealers in my area(Spokane WA) are reasonably new businesses and not the established dealers (maybe that’s a good thing).
The 450l isn’t a whole lot better than the drz which is way less money.
What was your experience with fuel range? I keep hearing I should expect 35 mpg.
The newer ones are even more powerful than the 500 exc straight out of the box stock.
I don't own one personally but separate my friends do and it is more powerful than my 2018 500exc.
Like you said with the other bike she have to spend $1,000+ to make it run right this one you do not.
I feel like I watch allot of your videos but can't recall you ever really doing any single track riding on this bike or bikes of it's size? I came to your channel for the adventure bikes but go to other channels for my single track and dual sport fix as I am a dirt rider 1st. Just thought I would point that out as it might be something you over looked or perhaps not. Would love to see you do more challenging dirt rides on any size machine as more of an adventure - perhaps "Adventures With Dork" lmao because you are a superior rider but we never really get to see your skills showcased, just snippets from Dorks vids of you.
Maybe that's it - you crush the solo content but need more with another person. A dynamic duo or trio perhaps. I think you are awesome, just want to continue to see you grow and flourish!
What is the maintenance schedule like?
If you want more punch/power, either gut the stock can or replace it. I gutted mine. Wow what a difference. And the Beta dealer can remap the ecu, unlike Ktm
Ktm 450 sx-f vs Beta 500 RR-S idk which one to get..
Out of these two bikes which one would you choose?
I live in NE FLA and we don't have a BETA dealer anywhere near me, I've been looking at this bike for a while. Seems the west coast riders have really taken to it and thats the real test given your terrain. How do you think this work compare to the SWM RS 300 which is another bike of interest?
Beats 509rrs is 💯 legit ✅
maybe i wasnt paying attention,,, stock tank range> ??? May vary depending on riding styles i know!
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I bought a 22 430rr (Australia model) which is geared for road riding to the trails 15/45. To be honest this bike is great and does everything I want it to do. The only issue I have had is that the rear right indicator is starting to melt due to the location of the silencer. The plastic gearing for the oil pump should be replaced at 100hrs according to the service manual. I wish that Beta would offer the Rrs model here as our bikes are enduro versions but still street legal.
James I'm looking for a light weight adv / dual sport, reckon the Beta is perfect for it!
No issues with yours?
@@aj13243 So far the bike has been perfect although I have just bought a Husky 701 which has longer legs. I'll probably use the husky for adv riding and the Beta for dual sport.
I own an opened up 2017 FE 350. I was on the fence with a Beta 390 but my buddy that sold em didn’t call back. Aesthetically, I’d say the Beta’s look the best. I was fortunate at the time and remapping. My bike was under $100 and change in the end cap on the exhaust was about 150. Today there is a service that will unlock a KTM map for around $125. Changing the endcap is still around $150. This provides nearly the same amount of horsepower as an FMF exhaust. Just wanted to clarify because it doesn’t cost thousands of dollars to do this modification. Still off the shelf at the Beta wins as a no hassle, buy it and ride a bike. The biggest? I have regarding a beta has always been the electrical. And that’s the little crazy thing that can leave. You stranded out there on Long trails.
Hey everyone what’s the best supermoto for a newbie
What would be your recommendation for trail riding in TN/NC area the Beta or A 650 Honda, Suzuki or something else. don't want to take my KTM 1290 on those trail's. what something lite weight. Moving to that area soon Thank you
Mike , the predominant bike around here TN - NC is a 250 - 300. I ride a 350. Even beginner trails are difficult in most places and a heavy weight big boar engine will only set you back or get you into trouble.
If you only plan on going on fire roads or UTV areas then a big boar is more at home there.
I really wish these bees would come with bigger tanks. 2.5 gallons goes pretty quick.
I love it
Well time to update my last comment. I just hauled the Beta out to a riding spot about 30 miles from the house and it would not start. No matter what I checked, neutral, kickstand, kill switch etc. No luck. So back to the dealer when they open. Do I like my Beta? Not really. I don't think I would ever buy another one. Well to be honest, I know I will not buy another one.
The beta 390 rrs seems popular
It's the goldilocks bike IMO.
Have you ever mastered your beta ???
Flameout? I fixed that problem when I was a kid. Proper clutching. Anytime I flameout its because I'm not paying attention.
I just purchased a 2023 500 RRS and have ridden it 3 times a total of 186 miles. I’ve owned many bikes in my racing career this is my first dual sport this is by far the best bike out of the box I have ever ridden truth it does everything I put it thru perfectly I’m not even going to change the stock gearing it’s a bit tall in first but I ride mostly single track and have no issues going anywhere with no clutch abuse. Only 2 changes I’m making is a softer seat and a longer kickstand
@@pnwrider8346 yes I did try the 390 actually has the most usable power very friendly bike. But the 500 is so much smoother easy riding and especially for hwy riding it’s always nice to have more power with little effort. I left the stock gearing for everything I ride mainly single track and it just does it effortlessly. I don’t believe I have reved the bike past 6k yet
Sounds great, but doesn't it have some crazy high maintenance service intervals, like an oil change every 500-1000 miles or something? That would end up being a killer for me.
All bikes in this category are the same. Performance motors with low oil volumes require frequent changes depending on your use.
Actually the Beta has separate engine and transmission oil reservoirs, each holding 750+ cc’s of oil. So oil change intervals could safely be extended IMO over comparable other brand bikes.
You dont need apologize to us for thinking a bike looks cool, price and looks are the 2 largest factors that decide purchases, even over function and features.
You really need to distinguish between a true dual-sport motorcycle and an enduro (race-bike) used for dual sport riding.
Let me know when you are ready to sell it!
The plastic oil pump gear is a non-issue. It's rated for a specific amount of hours and should be replaced after those hours, but it's the same amount where you would also do a top end rebuild so the motor comes apart anyway and the gears are super easy to replace, takes like 1 minute to do if the side cover is off anyway. On top of that the two gears cost 2$ each, while replacing them with steal gears costs around 100$ or more.
All Betas have had that plastic oil pump drive and it's ever only been a problem for people that didn't replace the part after the specified amount of time.
The electrical system however has always been a problem on Betas. The way it's done on my 2011 model is absolutely rediculous to me as a mechanical and electrical engineer. The newer models seem much better in this regard, but still, problems like faulty or badly designed regulator-rectifiers come up from time to time. But even those problems are fixed (I think) in the newest models. Mechanically Betas are absolutely great bikes.
Power wise I think you estimate it quite low. It's probably closer to 55 or 60 hp, as 500s have been for quite some time. Heck, new 450s are over 60hp already most of the time.
Otherwise great video, cheers :)
Do you stick to the oil change intervals or extend them? What sort of hours before replacing the top end or can that also be extended. I have a nicely set up DRZ400E but looking at a modern alternative that is lighter, efi and 6 gears but would be put off if i had to change the oil every couple of rides.
@@EricBanner571 I do extend the service intervalls. Oil should be changed every 30 hours on the newer Betas, that can be extended at least twice, if you don't run it to hot. It could probably be extended even way more. The top end and oil gears should be done every 90 hours. The top end can be extended a lot. There are people out there that have had their first top end rebuild at over 1000 or so hours. I personally know a guy who did a similar time on a 2004 KTM 450 EXC without doing anything to the motor apart from occasionally changing the oil.
For a new Beta if you don't do hard enduro but instead use it as a light adv bike then you could probably get away with changing the oil and filter and opening the left side cover to change the oil pump gears every 90 hours. However I would strongly recommend putting a cush drive hub in the rear wheel with such a use case. That also greately protects the motor from wear and makes the ride more pleasant. And fit a fan to the radiator to be sure to keep it cool if you do slow technical stuff. Other than that you should be fine.
Take a look at this video of "rtwpaul": czcams.com/video/F-ll5K1EdNA/video.html
@@Blockbuster2033 Thanks for the information, Yes have seen all of RTWpaul videos.
@@EricBanner571 No problem mate, take care and have fun riding :)
Considering trading my 350 4T for a 300RR
Did you and if so which one did you like better?
I thought you sold this bike
Does anyone know why Beta separates the Transmission and Engine Oil? I remember Honda did this with the CRF450X (05-17) but they ditched it on the gen 2 models. 99% of motorcycles have one cavity for the oil, why change that?
its just a little bonus feature... no clutch fibers messing with engine oil, and a slight change in clutch feel using a trans oil instead of motor oil... all in all not better, just different. I like that i can basically go 3:1 oil changes vs transmission changes
I feel like you really missed an opportunity by not saying 'Or is it Beta?'
The Beta models with the Sach suspension sucks!
Only get the models with the KYB suspension!!!
Great handling and great power but the Beta reliability is nowhere near the bulletproof Suzuki DRZ 400’s. !!!
Reliable is no
Any body looking at this video prolly don’t care about that drz 😂
Looks very good. Surely more reliable than KTM/Husky/Gasgas.
doing a Beta review wearing KTM/Husky colors. 🤣🤣
So - Who are you ?
Isn't beta owned by ktm now? 😂😂😂
No, KTM now own GAS GAS
Still a private company making their own motors (after - wiki - a few yrs of using ktm 4 strokes in the 2000s). Fantastic trials bikes as well
No
Zero beta support around me. Also, aftermarket support/parts are way fewer and far between than ktm. Nothing compares to ktm/husky aftermarket support. I’m sure the bets is a really nice bike but ktm/husky is the king for a reason.
KTM #1
You don’t have to spend “thousands” to fix the fueling on a KTM. An end cap and a plug in tuner would do it. I hate to think of the many thousands all of your buying and selling bikes must cost. You don’t seem very settled.
His business is creating content, constant bike turnover is necessary to keep viewers engaged.
Ok, maybe not thousands (plural) just a thousand. The Beta 500 runs perfect right off the showroom floor and it has more power than the KTMUSKY and is a better dirtbike. Having the plate is just icing on the cake. 95 % of the riding I do on my 500 is on the trail and that's what this bike is built for.
This or the ktm 500???? I don't know which one to get! 🫠