History of Japanese TCGs #8: The Birth of Monster Collection (1997)
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- čas přidán 27. 02. 2020
- One computer failure and a new PC later, we're back with Japan's favorite TCG you've never heard of! From its origins in the tabletop RPGs of the late 80s and early 90s to its gradual demise, we chart the life and death of Mon Colle.
(Note: These two Monster Collection videos were originally recorded in October 2019, but postproduction was delayed four months for life reasons.) - Hry
Well, now you HAVE to talk about the Evengelion TCG.
Great video like always!
It's *so bad* I can't believe anybody really playtested it. We really are just fortunate to have NGE in good licensed games these days.
@@lost-worlds Let's bring 3 more people and play it :)
Making my way through these videos has been eye-opening on this weird part of gaming history! Very cool work
The board movement and magic reminds me of Chaotic.
Welcome back my dude. Glad to see you back up and running.
I'm an avid Fire Emblem TCG player (and TCG player in general) and the amount of influence that this game had on FE is staggering. The board layout, victory from entering your opponent's "deployment space", land card placement, equipment... it all came from here. FE even has a card called "地形変更" (Terrain Modification) that functions the exact same as Change Field. Major props to Mon Colle for being such a pioneer of the trading card genre. I highly doubt many of my favourite games would even exist were it not for this game's ambitious mechanics, both the good and less well-thought.
Amazing video as always, I recently found your content and its been so enlightening to learn the "why" behind so many of my favourite card games.
I had to look this up since I finished the 1997 Monster Collection manga by itoh sei. Thanks for the info!
Interesting. Never heard of Monster collection. Also, SMT had a card game?!
Yes, Card summoner was a gbc version of the SMT card game
monster collection also had a six volume manga, which got an English translation.
Kinda makes me sad they haven't tried it out to do it again, I think SMT's universe deserves a card game.
Thank You very much for exploring this game, I remembered I had to look at many wikis and learn more Japanese to learn how to play the Bushiroad remake of the game!
Thx for the vids...doubt I'd have ever heard of this tcg if not for u
this movement / battle / summon mechanic pretty much reminds me of the Guardians TCG.
Is there a card database for this game? I'd love to see the card art of this game in its early stages.
WOOOOOOOOW I never heard of this game. This series is INCREDIBLE!!!
0:20 The first game you mentioned here got transalted and published in Hong Kong. Inspried and introduced a whole generations to TCG, just like the Pokemon TCG in Japan
moving across a board to conduct battle reminds me a lot of yugioh duelist of the roses
So, do you only have one party of monsters moving about the field? Just imagining if, rather than moving a set of multiple cards around the field, the cards could be placed outside of the grid, and some kind of figurine or marker could indicate where on the grid your party is. It just looks kind of cluttered as it is.
Just when I thought I’ve seen all card games this pops up in my recommended videos
Man I love the content and the good amount of information. I also appreciate the good writing. What I dont appreciate much is the volume of the music. Your content is too good to have music too high above it. Maybe you could experiment lowering the volume of the music a little bit.
Huh now i know why MonColle Knight anime have cards
I wish I knew the name of the track at 5:34 it is so fire and honestly part of why I go back and rewatch this vid
I remember the show for this on Fox Kids and it never occurred to me that Mon Colle meant Monster Collect
what that tune that starts at 51 seconds?
A: This looks awesome.
B: Is the game also in english?
C: If B, where can I buy?
D: All of the above.
It's never been localized, sadly. The next part covers a bit of why that happened, but basically the only attempt at localizing Mon Colle was through the anime Mon Colle Knights, and none of the surrounding merchandise was brought over when they did that.
@@lost-worlds Thank ye, sadly me and the bud don't understand a lick of Japanese but the game looked so cool was lookin forward to it, thank ye kindly.
I literally have the first box with 60 cards .. contact me I feel like I found gold
@@Jayswrlddd999 How much would ye want?
Please a video on the eva one
Where can i find a card database for this game?
I wanna see them go over Duel Master Japan vs The West. Im still incredibly sad it didnt catch on in the US.
Does anyone have a website or video that details the NGE TCG and why it sucks? Search engines have back nada.
It's wild to me that apparently a staple card in a reasonably popular card game doesn't have a single picture of it on the internet
You need to tell me about the songs you used my dude!
I'm trying to look for a particular artist's MonKolle illustration. Do you have a link or source for a card catalogue?
I'm curious, are you aware of Magna Spectra as well, by the same company? it seems to have been released in 2004 and died pretty quickly. I live in Japan and got a couple copies of the "trial deck" on the cheap just to check it out and read the rules. even researching it in japanese gets almost no results, even though the official site is still up (with barely no information and a very, very old looking design)
From where you get the cards and effects ?
Is there a source for more information on the "Monster Collection fantasy rpg world"?
read the manga that's about as close to information on the world we can get in English I really want to play this game so bad it's extremely interesting because of the world, and playing as a summoner who can cast spells and summon monsters
I read the manga, Actually own the English copy.
They tie in story wasn't enough.
The original rpg was kinda obscure in Japan, do finding a copy would very difficult.
@@Metaphysicist I found a rokumon sekai world guide and summoner guide book so I think it'll help the only thing is it's in Japanese so i would need a translator app for it
@@rari02 Well I'm impressed.
That seems like a project to commission.
oh, the pokemon trading figure game and pokemon duel must have been heavily inspired by moncolle
I have a small sealed monster collection card deck with 60 cards . It is the first one the box says 1997 fushijimishoto
I so want to play this game so much they really need a. English reboot
request if they can share
complete monster collection
all manga
all tcgs
all the books
all novels
So did you grow up in Japan? Like how do you know all this info?
It's a long story, but I worked as an independent journalist while I was studying Japanese in undergrad, acquired a working knowledge of the business from contact with store managers and wholesalers while covering Cardfight!! Vanguard, hung around in Japanese-speaking circles online, and started doing formal studies of TCGs for my master's thesis in graduate school. For that I looked to Japanese-language academic work on media franchises, old print publications like 90s issues of Coro Coro/V Jump and developer interviews in more recent books as primary sources, and Japanese blogs retained by the Internet Archive. (The old web is sometimes easier to research than the new web, because you can use webrings to locate everything.) There are some JPN sites like "Juggernauts' TCG Catalog" that try to compile basic historical facts and data, which made things a little bit easier. Over time the pieces started coming together, and I was able to start putting together an actual history.
Maniax Channel Well I love what I am seeing man! Great stuff! Do you have any plans on cover the original digimon card game? I’d love to hear the history of that
@@MyHeroMYLIFE yes, it's supposed to fit in after Yu-Gi-Oh. I actually published a text article on Tamer Union last year going over the original Digimon TCG's first two years: www.digimonworld.org/2019/08/a-history-of-many-digimon-trading-card.html
Maniax Channel do you have a readable copy of your thesis? I would be interesting in checking it out if so!
What did you use to translate the cards?
I speak Japanese.
is there a way you could give me a breakdown of how the game works i just bought some cards amd would like to try and play it i have used translators but i think it would be better for someone who actually speaks english haha
I do feel like this and the following video should have/should be combined into one. Otherwise the video just kinda abruptly ends with no "continued in x video"
Otherwise this was an extremely interesting video. And honestly I had always wondered what the heck the anime "mon colle knights" was for given we obviously never got this game in america but the dubbed anime always acted like there was a TCG that its universe was based off of.
I saw at least TWO big tiddie anime waifus in that moncolle clip at 1:00 now im interested in the game
Your not alone
oh so THAT'S why it's called "tap" LOL
Sorry what? You need patents to make card games too? So even if after you’ve made a card game, built all the hype, hosted all the tournaments, you could get sued if an unrelated party files a patent based on your mechanics? Is that correct?
You don't "need" a patent for a TCG, but you can (potentially) use one to prevent other companies from stealing your ideas. Patents only protect the creator of a new invention, for a set time period. If you were sued based on a patent filed by someone else *after* you released your product, they would lose their own lawsuit and their patent would be revoked--because your release date being before their patent was filed proves 1.) that their invention isn't new, and 2.) they didn't invent it. It would be unlikely that they would be granted the patent in the first place though, as the patent office would probably notice that their invention already exists. Most TCGs have no patents involved with them, although trademarks and copyright are still used to prevent plagiarism. MTG is the exception, in part because it predates almost every other TCG. (Its patent is expired now though.)
Yep. I'd add upon this that besides most countries aren't as rigorous as America in patents, wotc despite their efforts (they've always been bastards), could only enforce tap symbol. Not even the word or how it's used.
Actually most game mechanics are pretty much immune to copyright and patents. If you copy a lot of specific stuff, you could get into trouble. But otherwise, broad mechanics are not an issue.
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE WAS AN EVANGELION TCG? I need to know how horrible it was.
Wow moncolle has a lot of waifus
I was really curious about Daikaijuu Monogatari MOZ, i just came to know it and realized it had no english audience, I was kinda sad since it seems the mechanics and gameplay was very unique, different from so many mtg, yugioh and duel masters clones nowadays, even if MOZ as a tcg wasnt as good. If anyone knows any english translations for the card game or for the gameboy game, it would be nice to know 👍
I'm still waiting for a new north american release for 2023.
THERE WAS A SMT TCG???? HUH???
That's wild
Yes
This game sounds complex af.
I'm now deadly curious to see how bad the SMT card game really was.
It wasn't completely terrible like the NGE card game, but it was very mediocre. The biggest issue is that it just wasn't very fun to play, and was more of a collectible than an actual game, especially in the early sets. It also had a lot of reused stock art even on chase cards (similar problem with the current Final Fantasy TCG) and as with many licensed TCGs there wasn't much support for tournament play or locals.
The Pokemon tcg clones weren't exactly the best tcg vs Pokemon