Denon DJ SC Live 4 and Live 2 Real World Review
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The price for the SC Live 4 is now $1299, not 1599. Seems like Denon does listen to their customers 🙌🏾 #win
No doubt. And since I own the prime go, 2 sc5000s and x1500 this is a no brainer at $1200. 👍🏾💪🏾
Not being able eq mics with out engine and that gap in time to switch back to computer mode 😬
@@thedjboothohio You can EQ Mics, noob. Do your research before posting nonsense. Also name me a better unit with similar features for 1300$. Hint: There isn't one.
You’ve just saved me money Terry, I was seriously considering the Live 2 but will not bother after seeing your review 👍
You nailed it! Like always! I own the Denon Prime 2, and I got lucky and bought it on Reveb for $800.00. However If I had to pay $1400.00 and then turn around and buy this product at close to the same price.... It would NOT happened! Thanks for a great review!
I just have to say Terry, i have been following your videos for some time now, i really enjoy your content, keep on keeping on 👍
Thanks for the video. I'm waiting on my Prime Go to arrive after purchasing it in September. After seeing this, I'm glad I made a good decision.
On other channels, people are describing the new Denon SC Live as a beginner's controller. For the price, I don't think so.
Here in Australia the 2 sells for AU$2300. For two hundred more, you get the Rane One. The Reloop Mixon 8 Pro costs $1500 AUD. It has great features and it claims to use both djay and Serato simultaneously. See if you can review it please. Cheers
Guys, this is $1299 retail now and it can be found on discount for $1100 because you can get 15% discount at a major retailer! I just purchased it. Not only that also received a $100 store credit. It's just a matter of looking around at the top major online music gear retailers.
Do you still own sc live 4? If so, is it still working great? No Crossfader sound bleed?
@@grahamkelly8662 Yes I still own and working great
Thanks Terry, great review!
you re absolutely right ... the price is the issue ... I dont understand why the Serato implementation is so strange ... look at the xdj rx3 ... great implentation. Why do they do such a bad job on Denon products? Why still not the function to switch between Serato and Standalone like Mojaxx mentioned? I dont get it ... If they sell the SC4 for 999 MSRP and the SC2 for 799 MSRP - they would have a great market ... in my opinion
As usual, your review is exactly what I needed!! Since I have the Prime 2, now I know that the SC LIVE 4 is NOT the upgrade for me.
CT, you are the real deal with these reviews. You test the product across all platforms and truly examine the practicality in everyday use. Thank you!
It would never be an upgrade, these two are different lines from the same brand. You cannot find any Prime 2 because it is discontinued and the Prime 4is difficult to get I'm almost any market around the world and the ones available are way over 2000€. So comparing these with Prime products is just stretching to find some points. Still these are great value for what they offer, the Pioneer are way more expensive. For me I am disappointed because I wanted a Prime 2 or a replacement and that is still to come
@@ricardoviola4264 I wouldn’t call it stretching. I was very clear about your options.
Cleveland Terry, you rock, buddy. Love your videos, man. Keep up the great work, brother!
Thanks for all your great vids! What is your current favorite dj set up for both hardware and software please?…thanks brother👍🏾
You are right CT! The price is the issue. I will add that the build is also an issue. As great as both the Prime 4 and Prime 2 is Denon belly flop this one. On top of that, they discontinued the Prime 2. For this? As excited as I was about the leak, after seeing it I will not buy it. I rather keep my DDJ 800 and save for the DDJ 1000. This is not a good look for Denon.
Great review man, most of the critics out there sound like Salesman...you nailed it! I also think this is a bit pricey, compared to Prime 4...this should be a little above 1000 and they could keep the speakers!
I myself like this controller because it reminds me of a XdJ-Xz but smaller. It’s about the same weight as a ddj-1000. I had surgery on my neck and caused me to be weak in one of my arms. I currently have a Ddj-SZ and it’s massive and heavy. The Prime 4 is around the same weight as the SZ. So having a smaller and less weight 4 channel controller is best for me.
Virtual Dj - Post fader effects is possible. Setting - Options - search (fxProcessing) change to Post-fader.
Nice balanced review. You were nicer to them than I would have been. To me these miss the mark so hard it hurts, especially as a fan of the Engine OS. The Live 4 is priced to close to the Prime 4 and looks to be a huge step down, and the Live 2 is double the price of Mixstream Pro and doesn't really look like much of an upgrade.
I'm hype for the SC Live 4. I was stuck with the Mixstream Pro for the last year because the Prime Go wasn't worth the upgrade, the Prime 2 was discontinued, and the Prime 4 cost too much. Denon's trailer says the SC Live 4 is compatible with a pair of LC6000s so i am GOOD!! Shout out to Denon!!
Did you buy it ? And is it still working good?
Definitely right about the price point... the deal breaker for me would be spending all that money and not having any DVS compatibility or ability to add to cdjs.... you mentioned the jogs are like the new numarks and I really don't like those funny thing is I prefer the rev 1 jog over the more expensive numarks... I'll be fair and give a big plus for Denon if the effects is just a switch knob with labels... I tried the Prime 4 and I thought the effects section was horrendous really cumbersome to switch through something on a digital display, the Prime 4 is something that I would just leave one effect on just kind of set it and forget it... the big deal breaker to me though is definitely a four channel mixer that just doesn't really seem to feel like a true 4 channel mixer, the hardware is lacking
Terry always ha the best honest no bs reviews
Yo I am liking your new review format, great job on that. Not sure if I am ready to buy a Denon controller.. still waiting for a 1000-SRT update.
Thank you
Update: I rewatched your prime go review and have just ordered it! Back ordered so will arrive late January. First Denon product so interested to give it a try!
Yeah I'll stick with my sr2 and save up for the ddj1000srt or wait to see what pioneer has on the horizon.
thanks for the video. im looking at it and my prime 4 and mixstream pro and im like this is like a mixstream pro mkll and yeah its way over priced compared to the prime 4
Sick!
Nice video! My favorite part is at 9:44. #photobomb 😂
The prime 4 for me is the ultimate mobile DJ controller
This is for the occasional gig or at home live steamer Dj
I love your point on price…but the reason I have yet to get a prime 4
Is there is a whole bunch of things on it I will never use ( stopped doing weddings 4 years ago as it was killing me musically )
Because I play bar gigs every other week
And do a radio show every week this maybe the denon controller for me
Disappointed there is no internal drive bay though
I’d take the Prime Go over these models for that ultimate portability. These models will find a niche but they are an interesting side step from Denon DJ.
I'm a mostly wedding DJ so no mic EQ knocks this unit out for me while using Serato. Same reason I didn't buy the Prime Go
So glad I finally was able to purchase a Prime 4 last month. These units are dumbed down and they already lowered the price. Must not be flying off the shelves!
Im really loving my new sc live 2 but I've noticed that when im using it sometimes i get an audio glitch, like a small stutter on the playing track, why is that? Is there a fix? The usb that i use is ssd, and i dont get that problem when im playing the same usb on my mixstream pro
As a beginner I'm thinking of selling my ddj-flx4 and buying this. Bought it to use with my tablet and I'm disappointed how the rekordbox app functions and that it's a subscription base service. This has what I'm looking for as a newbie, if i stick with it later on I'll upgrade to something else.
Trying to decide between the sc 2 and prime go
Its a nice looking piece of kit but it was a bit over priced when it was first released its a bit more affordable now.
Thanks you be on point brother cool how you got the Dj controller so fast 🤣🤣
Probably not anymore. 🙂
@@ClevelandTerry I respect your honesty, actually if they listen to you their products will be better. My question is the gain knob too loose for the headphones?
hi!
i come from an old Stanton sc-s4dj stand alone being that i am a guitarist doing dj sets only to get some extra gain.
now i'm thinking to upgrade to a denon stand alone... i was wonderng wich one between prime go and prime 2 and ... they discontinued prime 2 and come out with this sc serie.
the prime prices are grown in these years ... the sc are with promotional prices. so they sell for
700 euro a mixstream
1000 a sc2
1300 a prime go
and also
1.300 euros a sc4
i'd prefer a prime because of ethernet port (to link it with my akai force) and aux in options.
sc 2 has no aux in !
so i was thinking of a prime 2 even if discontinued. could it be a bad bet or do you think (for stand alone use) could be still a good choice ?
Alright guy I'm still learning but I already have my impulse 500 which I broke it by accident but now I want something like standalone dj control which one should I get I'm not afraid to try and I would love to try something different I don't wanna use A laptop anymore Please somebody help
I believe it’s a great device, but I’d rather stay with the Mixstream Pro for the time being and invest in Prime 4 or something else. $1599 is a bit much for the SCLive 4. I picked up the Mixstream Pro back in April 2022 when I saw your review on it, that’s why I had to see this review. Thank you!
The price is $1299. Check again. It’s been priced adjusted.
@7:20 - files are HQ - ok what does that mean exactly? What are the specs of those files.. no way to 'grab' them? I could with Audio HIJack I guess if I was a fan of streaming services or Amazon. Sorry not sorry but Amazon is one cook I don't want in the DJ kitchen.. unless it's some gear at rock bottom price.
We all know, and you CT mentioned this in a past product review that supply chain challenges have increased prices. However, this price point is too high, so I agree.that they should lower the price point.
Now, a question. If the brand name was Pioneer would we be saying the same thing knowing some of their price points are ridiculously high. Although I would given Pioneer their props on the DDJ 1000, that was reasonably priced, IMO.
Do you think Getting SC Live 4 over my Prime 2 is a good idea? I do love my internal HD bay, but I can live without it.
So with the new Pricing released of the SC 4 Live at $1299 and SC Live 2 at $1099 would you recommend it? It's tempting for sure.
Hey bro, I’m at 5.45 where you show that when you move the crossfader over from the left to right, there’s a good few mms of travel, before you hear the sound of the song.
This is a massive red flag for me.
Do you know if the Prime 4 plus is any better? Because that was the other standalone I was looking at.
Was going to go with sc live 4 for now but if the crossfader transition, is better on prime 4 then I’ll probably go with that.
Is it possible to connect 2 vinyl turntables to either of these controllers?
Thanks for video, it's not really got it for me, I will wait a little longer to see the mixon8 pro, And the price is steep.
I guess that the Prime 4 will also move to 2500 bucks, which is the price in the EU for some time now.
When it first came out i got a $100 off, came down to $1,599 plus free shipping lol
You are speaking facts 🙌👍
I think this controller would've done better if it were released under Numark's brand. Numark is known for making equipment that either is entry level with pro features (Mixstream Pro and Mixtrack Platinum), or fits just in the gap between midrange and pro (NV and NS6ii). This controller is right under the Prime 4 in terms of functionality, so this exact layout with the Numark brand and 200-300 less on the price might've caused more of a stir and positive results. Instead, we're all left confused about where it fits in the Denon line and if it's worth putting the money up.
Agreed
It's a nice unit if I had to use one..but the Jogs are still too small for my taste. I don't need full 12" but.. a bit bigger. I guess that's what the flagship model has?? Pretty nice screen and good it's all integrated. I wonder if you have to restart it like my windows machine every once in a while. That fader is going to piss a lot of people off. No cut in / curve adjust???? I would never consider using Amazon at all for any service. Just me...and my Vinyl collection - I try to rip 10 cuts a week from my collection for new gigs and mixes. It's a modest effort to get those things digitized.
Cut in set to “sharp”
I don’t know if this is a good idea by the company. Not sure who is going out to get this.
What are the specs on the speaker monitors? Would they operate effectively in a live environment? What would be equivalent studio monitors on the market?
It’s in the video. Can’t be used as outside monitors.
pioneer need to upgrade the ddj1000srt..with s11 and cdj 3000 jogs on the sides
Has this controller got 33/45 rpm speed adjust?
I was fortunate enough to get the SC live for 799 best decision ever
Awesome review CT. This appears to be an overpriced cheaper version of the Prime 4. I don't see this doing well at all unless there is a significant price drop.
I'm with you CT. The Prime 4 is $300 more, but consider the price difference over the life of the unit. If you get 3 years out of it, $300 is about $8.30 per month more for the Prime 4 which is a much better unit. Of course some people are more price-sensitive than others and some might be struggling just to afford the SC 4.
Prime 4 is almost double the price of the sc4 live in the UK...
@@Discoretrox correct. When this video came out at launch the Live series was more expensive. Within a day or two, Denon realized they priced the Live series too high and dropped the price, presumably do to criticism.
There’s a couple more issues with where this sits in the market. The cost of components today versus if this was released tome to two years ago (if that were even possible), and it’s feature set for the cost. This is not a strong product offering. I feel it’s a step backward based upon its price point for Denon DJ. It does also compete with the used products on the market. I feel this will be a tough sell at $1,500.00. I’m really curious to see how it is received upon release for sale. While not every piece of DJ gear fits my use cases, I have people ask me for recommendations. I enjoy learning about all DJ and sound gear. This will be difficult for me to recommend based upon what I have learned about it.
5:07
Hey terry thanks for this. Any idea if we can run mono out audio on this?
Yes, it should be in the mixer settings or a hard switch. Engine hardware all have that option.
So if one could find this for $1269.00…is it a good addition if they have the Denon Prime Go, already?
Getting the SC Live 4 over the Prime 2. The Prime 2 doesn't have sweep fx, isn't compatible with Serato, only 2 channels, less portable, and it's discontinued so it's only available used (does it still get updates
That's why I said if you are a VDJ user or considering moving.
@@ClevelandTerry i agree with that. I've been a VDJ guy but now that we know STEMS is right around the corner for Serato, i wanna switch over. Thanks for commenting and as always great review.
I think the had a higher price in mind because when they will discontinued the prime 4 for a better version, denon will have a chance to create a bigger gap with the higher cost of building a new controller
Maybe, but I can only review gear based upon current information, not future information
@@ClevelandTerry denon just dropped the price from 1599 to 1299$!
Hey Terry , I have the Denon go!! Is it worth upgrading to the sc live 4 .
Completely different systems. If you do, use the go as your back up system.
Is there no post fader setting in using VDJ with the PrimeGo?
Prime go does not have wash effects.
The Prime 4 seems like a dinosaur being over 4 years old. Are they going to ever update the hardware? I thought SC 4 was going to be my next controller but seems like I'm sacrificing alot over Prime 4
There's no reason to update the Prime 4 though, it does everything it needs to and engine os is constantly being updated.
@@lukeannett 💯 agree
An epic Denon fail on this. I'll stick with my P4 & whilst I know the SC Live 4 isn't meant to be an upgrade, it doesn't appeal to beginners who are wanting to upgrade either. For a little more, you get the P4 & for much less you get the Mixstream Pro (beginners/bedroom/semi-pro backup).
What a momentous fail by Denon! Would have been far better making an upgrade option for the P4 - namely a unit with bigger jogs, better quality knobs & faders & definitely a unit with better paint finish. These units won't sell well IMO.
I think this unit is like Prime 4 but a little bit easier to use
It’s the same software so it shouldn’t be more or less difficult.
@@ClevelandTerry yeah but the effects unit now is integrate like Pioneer mixers and not on top of the two Decks whit modulation ( like traktor). I think its more confident to Pioneer use and a good choice to switch by a standalone two channel Pioneer consolle whit similar Price
"Easy to use" just a term used to describe a Pioneer user experience on a Denon device. I think they made this to woo Pioneer users. Look at it, bland to the eye, everything basic like a Pioneer device (mixer). Pointless Serato control, I mean it's a "Standalone" device. It's for Pioneer users.. Only just what you need to mix tracks together without a future set of features and premium in mind.
Hi Mate,. SC Live Prices is absolutely OK. SC Live 4, 600 - 700€ cheaper, than Prime4.
The same category as SC Live 2 is (for example XDJ RR, RX2). Sc Live 1299€ (1099€ New price), XDJ RR 1200 - 1300€. And now compare the features, performance and other options between the two DJ equipment. An incomparably better device and the winner of this comparison will be SC Live 2. (Same Price). Today is SC Live 2 100 - 200 cheaper than RR.
The one thing I don't see reviews talking about that's really bizarre is why they're not USB ports on the front / top of the unit... Like have they never like this would be great for House parties but what we're supposed to like sneak behind the decks every single time a new DJ comes up to play the hell?
This is pretty much a personal use product.
I love ddj 1000srt is best and ddj rev1 and then ddj flx6
Please what Yamaha Speakers do you use
Hs8 studio monitors.
Maybe denon plans to raise the price of the prime 4 toward the XZ which is almost closing in 3k bucks
If they did that it would probably be on a Prime 4 mk2, not the old one.
@@ClevelandTerry it’s not infeasible that the prime 4 may soon be approaching a refresh! that being said it occurred that if you compare the SC2 against its closet competition the pioneer rr the denon wins hands down and at 249 more it’s still light years better and I suspect pioneers replacement will be close to the 1299 if they ever make one! But you are right the pricing definitely feels off for what is obviously a home use piece of DJ equipment!
Yo Sweetwater is showing a price drop to $1299. Looks like they are hearing everybody out on the high price 🤔
Everybody hating on it, but the modified layout alone adapting to closer cdj mixer setup is a selling feature. Remember how ddj 400 sold so much just for this reason.
Who’s hating on it?
Can you still stream Amazon music in serato?
You could never stream Amazon in serato.
Now $1299!
As the saying goes, "Caught between a Prime rock and a Stream hard place": priced too close to the Prime 4/2 to make financial sense yet to reduce them 1k/sub 1k would kill the Mixstream!!!
How's the pitch fader increments?
Solid. No issues at all.
Thanks
I like your reviews except the part about pricing is unfair. For example, do you charge the SAME for a bar mitzvah that you dud last year or the year before? Everything is 10-20% more expensive. Trader Joes has the same food but its more than it was last year. Its sad that these items aren't priced accordingly, but they are actually priced accordingly for 2022-23.
I understand what your saying but I can only compare pricing with similar hardware and unfortunately they have a better device a couple of 100$ more. My guess is the prime 4mk2 will increase to around $2100-2200 and this will all be moot, but for now, the pricing doesn’t make sense.
@@ClevelandTerry ok thats fair, but i've watched many many dj vloggers talk about raising their rates, some single ops selling weddings starting at 1900 when they were 1200 last year! But as price on hardware goes, like they say, buyer beware. I was never on the DDJ1000 bandwagon so these two new Denons don't float my boat. But the price is a little high on non- moving platters and puny wheels so I'd never consider them. Plus I dont think they have a 2TB storage bay either. Its what people like, but wait till Pioneer comes out with something new, nobody on earth will ever dispute them about their MAP
They are capitalizing on the Twitch and Tiktok DJ's of the world. That's it.. That's the ONLY market this makes sense for.
rather wait for p4 replacement tbf
Retailers just dropped the price to $1300 on the Live 4. Looks like Dennon watched your video.
***Price has been reduced!!***
metal should be used for that price
They’re literally trying to make professional DJ’s equipment so expensive and yet they’re making subpar updates.
For me it's a downgrade from the MCX8000 or Prime 4. USB and SD cards on the back? really! Limited connections. Sorry for my opinion.
The street price will be lower than $1599. A 7” screen is only OK for a single deck. Four decks on a single 7” screen is just as ridiculous as DJ-ing on a 7” laptop. That’s barely bigger than a phone screen. It screams “budget model”. Funny that Pioneer has an all-in-one with a much better screen … cuz an all-in-one is the only time I’d actually rather use Denon than Pioneer.
Got sc2 for $760
Prime 4 way to go for a few hundred more with zone outputs, ability to add turntables , LC6000's, and so much more.. I think it's a great board just overpriced
Its like a Pioneer standalone unit.. simple and easy to use. I think is more versatile in a club ( sc 4)
Neither of these products make any sense. If entry level is the target audience, the Mixstream pro already exists for this segment with nearly the same features and a way better price point than the SC2, and the Prime4 is a way better option for almost the same money as the SC4. I don't get it. I'm a Denon DJ guy and use their products almost exclusively, but I don't get these devices.
I can't really see where this product fits, even at the new lower price... horrible mic implementation, loose 1 for aux use, no inputs for the 4ch "mixer" ... just don't see how this would really be usable for most people.... as for home/bedroom DJs starting out, I still see it as a total FAIL, the features just don't seem any good to me from ANY perspective, not at well over 1000$ ... for new DJs just starting, I feel there are better options for less....and for this price range I feel there's a lot of much better options... I love Denon, but they need to have a clear divide between entry level gear, and pro-sumer gear, as well as a divide between engine/prime gear, and hopefully some really well implemented Serato gear.... love my MC7000, and the prime stuff is all legit... but seems like they've kinda missed the mark lately, this release missed the broad side of the barn in my opinion...
Well said.
Im not sure what denon is trying to do with these products. It doesn’t make sense!!!!
Wtf an amateur piece of kit for a premium price??? Denon dj just dropped the ball
I was going to buy this now I'm not
Pioneer and rane have it right now..
I've been saying all along, speakers built in a professional device is a waste. This is a downgrade for Prime owners. If you are a PRIME owner this is not for you.
Nope p4 all day nite long 😮
Neither 👎🏽
Design is horrible at one look it’s only good for bedroom dj doesn’t look professional, it’s a mix design of numark mixtrack with the pioneer style monitor knob,,, the Denon Prime 4 looks better and more stylish bigger monitor means easy viewing and engine processor is not bad with the latest version update,, pioneer is a shit design and pioneer are only good on effects
prime 4 sounded like crap
That was not my experience.
@@ClevelandTerry not even the headphone amp? anyway.. xdj-rx3 just sound better and feel better in my personal opinion