What an absolutely articulate and authentic conversation. I loved it! It must have been quite the revelation for Beth to discover that she might very likely be an ADHDer!! We are going to need a podcast for that one😁 Leslie and Nate totally know their onions and I can only imagine what amazing coaches they must be because of their deep knowledge, experience and empathy for anyone who is struggling ❤ keep up the amazing work that you’re all doing - you are so appreciated ♥️
Loved this episode! I'm a 1 with undiagnosed ADD. This intersection between ADHD theory and Enneagram theory is very interesting. I like how grounded this discussion was. I see too many ads on social media calling ADHD something it isn't. People saying "It's not a dopamine or attention deficiency"... when it definitely is. I've noticed ADHD/ADD is becoming more of a misunderstood buzz word than a helpful diagnosis with clinical meaning.
Thank you for the video and carrying enough to post this. My wife, a type 8 with ADHD, asked me to take the Enneagram test, and I came out as a type 5. My issue is that whenever I express skepticism about the accuracy of the Enneagram, I’m told that’s exactly what a 5 would say! I can’t help but see this as circular reasoning, which contradicts my logical thinking. But I trust my wife, so I’m inclined to accept that I might be a type 5 based on her observations. Interestingly, she also encouraged me to get tested for ADHD within the last year or two. I approached the test thinking it might be a crutch for people to lean on when they fail. To my surprise, I scored an 80 on one of many tests, where anything over 60 indicates ADHD. The doctor asked how I manage daily tasks like not losing my keys or finishing laundry, and I explained my strategies-using AirTags for my keys and leaving laundry baskets in obvious places as reminders. Despite being prescribed medication for severe ADHD, I remain skeptical about how much it truly helps. As an INTJ-A and a type 5, I suppose it makes sense that I’d be analytical and skeptical about these kinds of assessments. Long story long, I suppose there is something to all of this.
This is so interesting. I can definitely relate to Nate’s story. I went undiagnosed until I tried to go back to college at age 50 and school wasn’t as easy for me because I was so burnt out from working harder my whole life to do what everyone else did naturally. I test extremely high in 2 and slightly less in 9 and I think this is why I’ve had so much trouble settling on one number. I feel a lot like a 9 deep down, but possibly dealing with the emotional dysregulation Beth was mentioning.
Im a genius with ADHD and im a type 5. I absorb information and love it. I speak or understand to some extent over 6 languages. My bests are russian and german. If i go on about my intrestes id be writing an essay plus a random rabbit hole rant and loss of place in the message.
This is a very helpful podcast. My husband and I both have ADHD. I was diagnosed at age 17 due to anxiety and problems at school. My husband, like Nate, was diagnosed around age 25 while in Grad School (both of us went to Covenant Seminary) and also had other issues attached with his diagnosis. We both present differently for sure with our ADHD. My husband is a type 2 and your assessment was spot on! I am a type 4 and I appreciate what you said and completely agree with the authenticity and intuition piece being strong for me. And yes, the creativity. Just come over to my house! Random request: could you talk about how Giftedness effects your Enneagram Type. My husband and I are both Gifted as well and now 1 of our three children was diagnosed with ADHD and Extremely Gifted (twice exceptional) so we would love your thoughts on how giftedness impacts the enneagram type. Thanks!!
I have a 145 iq ADHD and from what I can tell I'm type 5. I was diagnosed at 36, I'm 38 now. I tend to like most of the sciences and realized I had problems and finally caved and got my diagnosis. I had a rough child hood because of economic problems and familial issues like my father being in prison and moving around alot before I was 7 yro. I was a small quick kid and I excelled at gymnastics and martial arts(BJJ and Muay Thai). I kinda enjoy pain a bit because I experience ahedonia and dysthymia quite often. I'm uniquely aware about myself because I was a psyche major and hyperfocus is one hell of a drug. I also suspect I am on the autism spectrum due to my issues with being touched, making eye contact, I stim alot I also have a weirdly increased sense of fear yet I have no issues flipping off of a building onto asphalt. My hyperactivity had a great deal to do with my school issues, I never did homework and am also dyslexic, learning how to read Russian in 9th grade 2000 i graduated it 06, helped weirdly with my reading in English and is a now known to help with dyslexia. The one that messes with me the most is dyscalculia which is dyslexia with math, I am really quick in my head but if I have to work on paper I'm not going to do well... imagine word problems in math for me, it was a nightmare. I'm also very secretive about my personal life due to a problem with rejection sensitive disphoria, or an overwhelming feeling of fear of social rejection. I currently don't have a job after being fired from a job I had since I was 17, so 21 years and I loved that job. I lost it due to someone's lie about me and now am definitely overwhelmed to an actual loss of ambition, problems with stress induced anorexia as well as severe sleep disturbances of both periods of insomnia and hypersomnia. The hardest part for me is motivating myself to do some tasks especially when hurting emotionally. I'm aware enough of my self to honestly say I have a likely instance of major depressive disorder, sad part is intelect is a double edged sword being I over think and out think my doctors. I spent 6 days in a psych ward for threats and threats of self deletion of which was mostly just me venting, but I was able to kinda game the system being I wanted out. I was worried about my cat and had no one to check on him and 6 days is long so a small set of diminished description of my feelings was justified in my strange brain, I must say myroomate was a cool guy though so there's that... he was in my boat, depressed but not insane or violent. Long msg short, giftedness isn't always the best thing but I wouldn't give it up same with adhd but that's what makes me me.
What an absolutely articulate and authentic conversation. I loved it! It must have been quite the revelation for Beth to discover that she might very likely be an ADHDer!! We are going to need a podcast for that one😁
Leslie and Nate totally know their onions and I can only imagine what amazing coaches they must be because of their deep knowledge, experience and empathy for anyone who is struggling ❤ keep up the amazing work that you’re all doing - you are so appreciated ♥️
Loved this episode! I'm a 1 with undiagnosed ADD. This intersection between ADHD theory and Enneagram theory is very interesting. I like how grounded this discussion was. I see too many ads on social media calling ADHD something it isn't. People saying "It's not a dopamine or attention deficiency"... when it definitely is. I've noticed ADHD/ADD is becoming more of a misunderstood buzz word than a helpful diagnosis with clinical meaning.
We're so glad you found this helpful!
Thank you for the video and carrying enough to post this. My wife, a type 8 with ADHD, asked me to take the Enneagram test, and I came out as a type 5. My issue is that whenever I express skepticism about the accuracy of the Enneagram, I’m told that’s exactly what a 5 would say! I can’t help but see this as circular reasoning, which contradicts my logical thinking. But I trust my wife, so I’m inclined to accept that I might be a type 5 based on her observations.
Interestingly, she also encouraged me to get tested for ADHD within the last year or two. I approached the test thinking it might be a crutch for people to lean on when they fail. To my surprise, I scored an 80 on one of many tests, where anything over 60 indicates ADHD. The doctor asked how I manage daily tasks like not losing my keys or finishing laundry, and I explained my strategies-using AirTags for my keys and leaving laundry baskets in obvious places as reminders. Despite being prescribed medication for severe ADHD, I remain skeptical about how much it truly helps.
As an INTJ-A and a type 5, I suppose it makes sense that I’d be analytical and skeptical about these kinds of assessments. Long story long, I suppose there is something to all of this.
This is so interesting. I can definitely relate to Nate’s story. I went undiagnosed until I tried to go back to college at age 50 and school wasn’t as easy for me because I was so burnt out from working harder my whole life to do what everyone else did naturally. I test extremely high in 2 and slightly less in 9 and I think this is why I’ve had so much trouble settling on one number. I feel a lot like a 9 deep down, but possibly dealing with the emotional dysregulation Beth was mentioning.
Im a genius with ADHD and im a type 5. I absorb information and love it. I speak or understand to some extent over 6 languages. My bests are russian and german. If i go on about my intrestes id be writing an essay plus a random rabbit hole rant and loss of place in the message.
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This is a very helpful podcast. My husband and I both have ADHD. I was diagnosed at age 17 due to anxiety and problems at school. My husband, like Nate, was diagnosed around age 25 while in Grad School (both of us went to Covenant Seminary) and also had other issues attached with his diagnosis. We both present differently for sure with our ADHD. My husband is a type 2 and your assessment was spot on! I am a type 4 and I appreciate what you said and completely agree with the authenticity and intuition piece being strong for me. And yes, the creativity. Just come over to my house! Random request: could you talk about how Giftedness effects your Enneagram Type. My husband and I are both Gifted as well and now 1 of our three children was diagnosed with ADHD and Extremely Gifted (twice exceptional) so we would love your thoughts on how giftedness impacts the enneagram type. Thanks!!
I'm so glad this was helpful! And how fun that you're both Covenant grads! Thank you for the episode suggestion, as well. We'll keep it in mind.😊
I have a 145 iq ADHD and from what I can tell I'm type 5. I was diagnosed at 36, I'm 38 now. I tend to like most of the sciences and realized I had problems and finally caved and got my diagnosis. I had a rough child hood because of economic problems and familial issues like my father being in prison and moving around alot before I was 7 yro. I was a small quick kid and I excelled at gymnastics and martial arts(BJJ and Muay Thai). I kinda enjoy pain a bit because I experience ahedonia and dysthymia quite often. I'm uniquely aware about myself because I was a psyche major and hyperfocus is one hell of a drug. I also suspect I am on the autism spectrum due to my issues with being touched, making eye contact, I stim alot I also have a weirdly increased sense of fear yet I have no issues flipping off of a building onto asphalt. My hyperactivity had a great deal to do with my school issues, I never did homework and am also dyslexic, learning how to read Russian in 9th grade 2000 i graduated it 06, helped weirdly with my reading in English and is a now known to help with dyslexia. The one that messes with me the most is dyscalculia which is dyslexia with math, I am really quick in my head but if I have to work on paper I'm not going to do well... imagine word problems in math for me, it was a nightmare. I'm also very secretive about my personal life due to a problem with rejection sensitive disphoria, or an overwhelming feeling of fear of social rejection. I currently don't have a job after being fired from a job I had since I was 17, so 21 years and I loved that job. I lost it due to someone's lie about me and now am definitely overwhelmed to an actual loss of ambition, problems with stress induced anorexia as well as severe sleep disturbances of both periods of insomnia and hypersomnia. The hardest part for me is motivating myself to do some tasks especially when hurting emotionally. I'm aware enough of my self to honestly say I have a likely instance of major depressive disorder, sad part is intelect is a double edged sword being I over think and out think my doctors. I spent 6 days in a psych ward for threats and threats of self deletion of which was mostly just me venting, but I was able to kinda game the system being I wanted out. I was worried about my cat and had no one to check on him and 6 days is long so a small set of diminished description of my feelings was justified in my strange brain, I must say myroomate was a cool guy though so there's that... he was in my boat, depressed but not insane or violent. Long msg short, giftedness isn't always the best thing but I wouldn't give it up same with adhd but that's what makes me me.