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- čas přidán 2. 05. 2024
- D&RGW 346 took a cross-state adventure down to Durango, here's some thoughts about it!
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She's just been moved into the new contract work shop! By the way, it was a pleasure meeting you Mark!
Oh wow! That wrapped up quick. That's exciting! Great to meet you as well. :)
@@Hyce777 They moved fast getting the shop done. All we were waiting on was a bit of electrical work.
Can you imagine if they put 42, 340, and the 346 all in the roundhouse sticking out of their stalls together and take a photo? Can you imagine ?!? 😂
I want to see that now
I was sad they didn't do that when I was there, lol, but saw the pics from Scotty! Super cool.
They actually did last week.
340 & 346: YOU!
I picture them being all "I'm so happy to see you!" and then once the humans are gone being all "I remember why I never liked you that much.... but I still love you for some reason."
the fact that 318 showed up with 340s tender to the CRRM 346 most likely went "wait how are you still around."
@@kbfbest I guess it depends on how much attention they pay to human conversation, otherwise, yeah, I could see Grandma being REALLY confused to see her sister again.
In my mind they'd start off so happy to see each other but in like 5 minutes time one would yell to the other "FUCK YOU I WISH YOU WERE SCRAPPED!"
I picture it as the Spiderman pointing at another Spiderman meme
1:34 it's called an RGN ( Removable Gooseneck), or simply a lowboy. Handy for moving large equipment as you can see
Cheers! I got *lots* of answers. Apparently there's a lot of folks more knowledgeable than I re: "heavy" haul that watch the channel... lol! And lots of differing answers as well. Lots of regional differences, I'd suppose!
Lol as soon as he asked I when to the comments but you already answered makes sense cause I rarely catch videos as the come out because of my trucking schedule
@Hyce777 your my favorite channel, I wanted to comment about the Lowboy! I work for local government road construction and have a few choice words for our Lowboy
@@zanethompson6087 thank you Zane! We always... Well, "love" our own equipment, don't we?
@@Hyce777 it is called a lowboy😊
If I may...
346: (gets shunted into the house)
340: (wakes up; looks over drowsily, sees 346 and jolts awake) "Oh Lord! Oh Palmer help me! It's a ghost! They've finally come to get me!"
Some other engine off in another part of the house out of shot: "Good grief 340! It's just 346! Y'know, old classmate of yours? Used to work here? You do the same thing whenever another loco gets put in here for a rebuild! They're not ghosts trying to drag you to the beyond for cryin' out loud!"
340: "Oh. 346, eh? Let me get a look at 'cha..." (Looks over 346 inquisitively; 346 stares back awkwardly) "Lawdy you've looked better."
346: "Good to see you, too..."
340: "What'd they do? Drag you out of the scrap line?"
346: "No! Despite my appearance I'm actually being taken care of very well. I'm actually here for..."
340: (Interrupts) "You're not even dressed!"
346: (Taken aback) "...what?"
340: "You're not wearing your boiler jacket! What're doing out and about with your bare boiler showing? You're not decent! How can you stand to be like that? And where's your stack?"
346: (Just stares back at 340) "...aren't you here for a rebuild too?"
Another engine in another part of the house: "You've gotta forgive 340. She's not really a morning person. Takes her a bit to warm up and get her head straight after she wakes up."
340: "Who's that?!"
Same engine: "42!"
340: "Oh...yeah. Say, where's 41?"
42: "Already left and went home to Knott's Berry Farm."
340: "Oh yeah," (340 and 346 look at each other. Awkward silence descends.) "...so...how's it going?"
346: "I work at a museum now. Nice folks there. Even got a loop of track for me to run around when I'm in shape. I'm here for a rebuild. I presume you're here for that as well?"
340: "Yep." (Awkward silence)
346: "...so, you gonna tell me what you've been doing or..."
340: (Falls asleep again)
346: "...it's gonna be a looooong rebuild..."
This is my favorite version of the hypothetical conversation. It feels just right for locomotive banter, and from what their drivers have said, that feels about right for those two.
"when you've got a big payload behind you" Can't wait to see what the ytp folks do with that line.
I swear D&S is becoming the Strasberg of the Narrow gauge world 😂 and it’s it only me or does it look like 493’s cab is at a angle
Because it is. It's a cannon event bro.
That's just the track I think?
It is, she's had a goofy kinked floorboard support for the cab putting it at a slight angle for years.
To be fair, Strasburg has done and does do Narrow Gauge (most notably Walt Disney World!)
Well, ain't I got something to tell you
That would be a lowboy trailer I believe a very interesting trailer but very common for transporting larger vehicles such as excavators or bulldozers and such.
I was about to make the same comment. I saw one on the highway literally this week hauling several CAL FIRE dozers.
while it is a lowboy more specifically its a RGN (Removable Goose Neck) Lowboy but thats getting into technicalities
or lowbed... both terms are used Though often giant modular transports with like more wheels than baldwin's centepede are used for moving standard gauge engines, unless it's a ruston then it's just craned onto a regular flatbed.
Not even that much of a heavy haul setup. Some custom heavy haul trailers end up with 15 plus axles.
493 is a special engine for me too. My wife and I rode behind it on our honeymoon (my first time in Durango) just after it was restored.
i'd like to imagine 340 & 346 did the pointing Spiderman meme
*340* What the heel I thought you rolled off the mountain!!, and God you reek
*346* yeah I did, oh and that smell is Kenosha
"Did you die?"
"Sadly, yes. But I lived!"
A long overdue homecoming of sorts. In the meantime, it’s a fantastic chance for the D&S to have a living exhibit on something the public doesn’t get to see that often. (And additionally, it’s really neat to see a Big K “out of captivity” undulating along doing what it was meant to do.)
Working at Knott's a few years ago, I can certainly confirm locomotives have personalities! 41 and 340 definitely have opposing personalities. 41 was always reliable, and would rarely ever give you a hard time. 340 was definitely the stubborn locomotive, lot's of folks did not like firing her. Although, I will admit she was always my favorite of the 2 C19s to operate! I am excited to see the results that D&S will do on 340 (and 346)!
That's basically what Jeff said about 340, haha.
This video should serve as the petition to rebuild the line connecting the D&S and the CRM.
the D&S and C&T connection is on the list first.
That is an incredibly long line that would need to be relaid lmao. That’s like 600 miles
@@MainlineThruTheRockies It would be but it would be so much fun so you could run trains all the way.
Lowboy trailer, oversize permits, heavy haul truck, plenty of money, and a GPS that takes the dimensions of the rig into account when relaying the route. That's all you really need. Everything else gets sorted out as needed.
Lowboy Trailer trucking! We do this with our trolleys here in Maryland, but have to transfer it to a rollback like trailer since we don't have a paved or level area to put the trailer for loading/unloading
Even though you weren’t facing the camera, we could see your happy face watching 493 roll by
I like the theory that 340 and 346 would be making sorta rude remarks like “ugh, you are still running?” But deep down appreciate the reunion and are glad they are back together. Maybe, or they were arch enemies, who’s to say
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Thank you mate! Glad you enjoy.
I saw the museum in Durango several years ago, and of all the things they had there what I remember most strongly, for some reason, wasn’t the old locomotives, not the building itself, but the 100+ year penny collection.
I work opposite the Hornby factory in the UK and they are housing loads of trains in their warehouse for an exhibition. Watching them come down the industrial estate on flat beds always draws a crowd :)
Very cool. Many moons ago I was visiting my network of short/tourist lines and one shop foreman told me how they sent a diesel locomotive off during the offseason to a shop for top end work. "Couldn't you do that here?" "Sure, but that freed up resources to rebuild three coaches." Management is just that: managing your resources, on and off the property, to maximize results.
I love how detailed this is so now I can transport 346 if need be
So cool to see the process to transport a locomotive, and kudos to the D&S for helping with the 346 restoration work and showcasing her alongside 340.
Would be spectacular to see 493 and 491 reunited also, but I bet 340 and 346 are sharing some great stories of their bigger siblings!
the larger locomotive moves are something truely special. ive seen pics of them moving bigboy and some other larger standard guage stuff where theyve had to upgrade to modular trailers, multiple trucks, the whole 9 special transport yards per say lol. its rare you get to see stuff like that tho (cause well its standard guage, just throw it behind a train 90% of the time) plus not alot of stuff truely warrants that treatment but its truely a spectacle when it does happen
on a side note tho, thats lowkey cool af that the D&S put her on display while shes there and what not, its not every day the publics get to seem much that goes into rebuilds and what not
Thanks, Hyce, for this video posting: its always a great day, when any steam locomotive gets another renewal/restoration!
There's something so heartwarming seeing her side by side with the other Durango engines and rolling stock
I worked at a place that did trailer repair and we worked on a detachable lowboy. It had rails like this except for standard gauge because the company that owned it did MOW work and used it for moving the equipment.
So cool that 340 and 346 will be getting work done on them in Durango!!! I can't wait to see the videos of them together whether it be under steam or not
Thanks for the fun video! Glad 346 got some museum time before she went into the shop. And watching Peaches' sister chugging along in the pretty scenery was awesome.. ☺️💜
I have a feeling 340 would be that really REALLY annoying kid, just constantly trying to get 346's attention, and 346 just not wanting it, just trying to take in the serenity of being back home, only for said tranquility being broken every 5 minutes for incredibly inane reasons
346: It's been over 70 years...since I last saw this place...
340: hiiiiii~ 346, you Denver girl, guess what! Guess what!
346: ...and suddenly, I want to go back to the Museum...
340: hey Denver girl, hey Denver girl, hey Denver girl-
346: WHAT!?
340:...you were in Denver 🙂
346: ...this is going to be a LONG rebuild...
Lol, I could see that. 340 was the first of the class, at least by number... so I wouldn't be surprised if she has a complex about her. lol
2:26 glad to see someone besides the B&O railroad museum using 2101. Good to see her moving about
Hydraulic neck Double drop lowbed, for railway. Some call it a rail bed. Judging by the wheels on the ground. He's probably 90-100k lbs loaded. Moderately small in the heavy haul realm. It would be fun to haul her fully done up. 10 axle load if were to guess.
346 was 56K lbs - if that helps your guess. I imagine a trailer like that's a fair bit.
@@Hyce777 he's in the neighborhood of 45-55K empty, and the general rule is 20-22k per axle not including steers.
If you're curious, a Harsco MkIV tamper weighs 68,500lbs.
@@n2nitro444 oh wow, that's cool. Cheers
I am glad 346 is gonna get the rebuild it needs because it has been operating at the museum for 61 years which is a very long time
0:52 - If you ask me, the best solution would be to rebuild the tracks. But that's a very European thought, I know xD
8:25 - Was it 72 years for you, too?! I knew you were a vampire!
Great vid, as usual. Now get one of 'em up on a track and on a ferry, I want to see them over here 😂 It'd certainly be fun to see one of those 3ft locos on a metre gauge track. Though I wouldn't be surprised if producing and fitting temporary tires (at least I'd guess that might be enough, after all it's just some 4 cm the flange would need to be moved outwards, so hopefully you wouldn't need to move the whole wheel) would end up being the even bigger PITA than the transport as such 😅
Hi Mark, very nice episode. I really liked seeing how such a heavy object like 346 is prepared and moved from site to site. Just amazing. 346 is such a national treasure. It’s so fabulous that the rebuild is being done at the D&SNGRR. I saw a video tour of their shop recently and it is absolutely amazing! An impressive place for sure surrounded by such natural beauty. I think if the two grandmas could discuss, they would reminisce over the good old days. Like on a porch swing bench but in this case the roundhouse is the porch and the swing bench the rails. I can hear them now: “You haven’t aged a day dearie” and lots of catchup gossip. 🤣. I also loved your connection story to 493 that’s so cool! As always Professor another beautiful 101 video and cheers to you!
Truck trailer is called a "Low Boy" IIRC. We used one like it to get a burned up caboose from Marshall Pass decades ago. That caboose frame we ended up scrapping but the trucks went under the caboose which sat across the road for years.
Dear Hyce thank you so much for sharing this. I'm all the way in Singapore and yet still feel such a connection to the Colorado Railroad Museum and these great steamers. I was blessed to be able to visit last year during the Narrow Gauge Convention and taken behind the shops to actually see and touch 346. That alone made it special but now that she's down at Durango, I feel even more blessed to have been able to see her before she made that trip down. Keep doing what your doing and all the best wishes and regards from the other side of the planet in Singapore
Wow... epic trains on Friday afternoons are always very welcome!
I think the Durango & Silverton locomotives were the first steam engines that left a impression on me as a kid from those As seen on TV train videos for kids... I can't remember which one but I remember wearing out that tape...
it's a dropped heavy haul long flat bed trailer. Dropped trailers are trailers that the floor of the trailer are hovering ~6-8 inches from flat level ground, Heavy haul means it has more than 2 axles to bare travel load, and long usually indicates it's more than 3 yards long. only thing missing from your trailer is if it was either a dump or lifter trailer dump being like a dump truck and lifted being the bed drops like a hydraulic lifted car. there might be more technical terms but if you use those terms to look for trailers online you'd find what your looking for PDQ.
As a frequent Knott's Berry Farm visitor, it's always weird to hear you talk about Knott's😛
Good job Jeff!
Those knots berry farm c-19’s are my favorite locomotives! 🚂 they also have a galloping goose but I’ve never seen it running!
As a Durango native and a fan of the channel, great video!
I understand that every engine has it own personality, but as a thomas fan, when i imagine engines talking to each other, i can't help but imagine them with faces
Fair enough haha :)
Hey, hyce, I love watching your channel. You and Laurie's mechanical marvels have inspired me to volunteer at the mid-continet railroad museum in North Freedom wi
As someone who loves trucks and trains, you have to use either a specialized RGN (removable gooseneck) or a specialized lowboy
Id like to think 340 would see 346 getting pulled into the Round House and go "Oh my god Grandma?! Is that really you?!" seeing as they're sisters Id bet they have alot of catching up to do in those 74 years they've been apart. 346 probably will babble 340s ears off about going in circles for nearly the century theyve been apart. Cant wait to hopefully see 346 running the rails of Durango again for her after rebuild tests!
I bet 340 and 41 would joke about “Smells Like Kenosha” while having wine
346: Will you shut up about it! (Swearing in 6 chime whistle)
The best way to move a locomotive over road was how a Canadian town did it when suffering from a black out: put it on the road and drive it down main street to the closest place they could plug it into the power grid
You should talk about the shay class c! Because it is my favorite steam locomotive.
Oh yes you´re so right. Every single locomotive has an own personality. At the museum I worked at we had a standard gauge cog locomotive, the ÖBB69 (nice), with an adhesion and a cog engine (which was removed after it came to us) and it worked from 1891 until 1978 at one and the same railway (Erzbergbahn). However it really liked to blow its safetys because it wasn´t operating with two engines and two throttels on the seiling anymore. That doesen´t seem like a problem at first but we have a bridge that goes over the demonstration line and that bridge is a hotspot for photographs.
Durning the first years of the 69s operation we always got at least one person slight with burns all over their hands because it, as the older guys internally called it, farted. Sometimes the cameras broke because of this and we sometimes had to buy the victim a new one.
Soon the some safety inspector noticed the incidets and we were instructed to to close the bridge every time we ran the 69 what we then of course did. The visitors didn´t like it and the guys who were chosen to guard the bridge got sick of explaining why it was closed real soon. And so the asocial loco sign was born. (Don´t know if I can find a picture of it but a college drew a really detailed explenatinposter we then always put onto the bridge. If I find it I´ll post it on discord @real-trains)
Gooseneck/lowboy trailer. Handler/idler cars were common in carfloat service where a locomotive going onto the ramps or the float itself would be a really bad idea unless you wanted to reenact the Titanic railroad edition.
Let's GO! Can't wait to drive 346 again after she gets back!
I literally just noticed the C&S (Colorado and Southern) on the handler car that was used and how well it coincides with the CofS (Century of Steam) on the boxcars from the game's devlogs!
Welcome Home(ish) 346!
Hi Hyce, I was wondering if you could do a video on how the narrow gauge railroads received their locomotives that were made at the locomotive factorys like Lima Baldwin and Alco. With no 3 foot gage tracks running all the east to the west, the locomotives and cars were probably shipped in a similar fashion to 346 in this video. I think it would be cool to take a look at the history of these kinds of moves and what we know about them.
Lowboys are awesome. We hauled D9s all the time with em
@mr.sir. You ever see 2 loaded trailers side by side, pulled by 2 trucks side by side? Like a D11 or a haul truck, shovels or loaders getting dragged down the highway?
@@ducewags yes
From what i understand of US trucking parlance, that particular trailer would be a Removable Goose Neck (RGN) Lowboy trailer.
as far as i know that trailer slang that we would call that is a "slip back" or "wedge back step-deck" or if it loads from the front its called a "float trailer"
Can't wait to see 346 all back together and running! (Though video of course, I'm across the pond)
I haven't pulled a RGN Lowboy since I was in the USAF. We had a Tracked Crane that had to be moved around with one.
While it would be fun to send the tender cab and other parts over to Durango so that it could run on the D&S for a bit, I get that cost wise it wouldn’t make sense.
As a side note, I had no idea the RGS reefer survived! I thought it had been scrapped after it sat in Ridgeway for years.
Hey we got the shootout for knotts, great video to watch on my break, now to go back to conducting 41
I was wondering if you could talk about the L1 Hudson 464 class if you haven’t already, it’s something I’ve taken an interest in.
Removable gooseneck low boy trailer is the long name for the trailer. It like the rolling stock it has different names from different regions and types.
Sending off a piece of equipment to a museum with all of the required equipment to do the work is a pretty reasonable thing to do. In the maritime world, Mystic Seaport does a lot of work on other historic ships.
It's done quite often in britain, hertitage railways sometimes send their engines to dedicated workshops for overhauls and mainly testing on heritage railways before returning to the mainline.
@Hyce look up the Letournaux overland train. It's the best of both worlds!
I’m gonna be in Durango in a few weeks, I hope I get to see 340 and 346 while I’m there.
I love the scale of "heavy" haul, hyce and crew are loading a bog standard low boy, meanwhile i spent the day consulting with engineers, haulage companies and city officials on getting a transformer for a large tower across downtown on a trailer with more axles than your average narrow guage consist, without crushing the subway tunnels. The heavy haul world is insane, but has nothing on the standard guage choochoo moving world (look up videos of the big cb&q engine or the tunnel motor being delivered to the CRRM for the real insanity
Great! Could you do a segment on how these locos were delivered from the east to Colorado back in the 1800s?
it's grandma, the response the d&s locos had was probably "oh gods, your still around? AND YOU STILL RUN!"
Thanks for the choo-choo shows Hyce.
The Jeff sign bit was great
When the city of Enid move the frisco 1519 they picked it up with a crane and set it on the trailer
The 18-wheeler trailer is a gooseneck flatbed trailer
Is it possible that you Hyce can make a Video on the Colorado and drive the 493? just a diffrent flavor for you and us? Could be nice for the future.
Would've been cool to have all her bits there for eventual test runs/joy rides with Grandma. Maybe someday.
That would be cool, for sure... but not this time. :)
Lovely story, Hyce…! But forgive an amateur European; The track bed at 10:12 onwards could maybe do with some tamping TLC to keep the wonderful engine and rolling stock from failing inspections prematurely…? 😅
5:35 LMAO. (I believe 345 was used in a film involving a train crash, there is a video.)
czcams.com/video/B5HD6TjXYqE/video.html
Yup
That Trailer is Called a Lowboy
346 return to Durango. Covers the Denver and rio grande western 2-8-0 no 346. Along with this you will receive 2 separate break in runs and the first public run ….
There’s a whole TV series dedicated to this in the UK (Train Truckers)
Yeah though that has been mainly around the big standard gauge engines.
Still quite good and the way they have been moved hasn't changed much since recovery from the scrap yard.
Does show how small of spaces these big engines get crammed into.
ive also seen those type of trailers for MOFW equipment
The trailer is referred as a lowboy trailer thay are used for hauling equipment and oversized equipment
Nice Jeff Railfanning cameo.
493 was running on some pretty rough track
I’m not a trucker but I believe that that type of trailer is called a low loader for the obvious reasons
This is awesome and a VERY expensive exercise!
Rebuilding a choo-choo ain't cheap, so trucking it's just a small part... lol!
Cool beans. Very nice 🦜❤️🚂🚂🚂
its called a rgn or double drop trailer
Lowboy also called a RGN (removable gooseneck)
It always seems weird to see a loco on a trailer lol
god, 493 sounds heavenly.. such a good girl...
340 was like
"you look like a disabled person from a senior home, and now I have to pull you around to fix you up"
346 was like
"ya but I was on a truck, and I got to see 20 be scared from mark playing smells like kenosha, and soon I will be fixed better than you from the factory."
they would talk smack because they think that there the best version.
that trailer is called a lowboy
Detachable gooseneck trailer
10:29, is that a CB&Q 5-chime? It sounds lower and less raspy than a D&RGW 5-chime. Beautiful sounding whistle. Initially thought it was a 6-chime.
Side note: what if you got the D&SNGRR or the T&CSRR to run an excursion with the Huber 6-chime? I think that would be a real treat.
It's a big 3 chime. I think someone in the shop made it. A Q 5 sounds very similar to a D&RGW 5.
That would be cool!
5:30 5:39 Your delivery package is arrived lol.