Birds Eye View (Episode 1) :Richard Apodaca
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- čas přidán 11. 01. 2019
- Posting Video about the Birmingham Roller hobby. Also Sam Smith and myself will be posting videos about the basics of the breeding rollers caring for your birds, how to fly your birds, how to feed your birds, and also how to medicate them when they get sick. Also how to improve the overall quality of roll in your loft
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I don't raise anymore, but enjoy the knowledge from this video. I raised Birds back in the 70s, 514s, Vince Gallegos, many others breeders, NBRC, and competition Parlors, Southern California. It's great to learn that many Roller enthusiasts continue to improve the bread. Thank so much for putting out the videos so others can learn how to bread better birds, spinners. Back in the 70s we didn't have the internet and we weren't able to network world wide. Now we are so lucky to have Professional Roller Enthusiasts that are making these informative videos.
Rollers are true to my heart and they are amazing little animals. Like Mr. APODACA says, please fight evolution and keep these birds rolling for many generations to enjoy. If enthusiasts stop breading then the Roller Breeds with time may become extinct and the natural pull of evolution will washout the DNA traits with regular street birds.
Thank you! Great Videos, I will continue to watch! 👍🕊🐦
Thank you for your kind words and your support and viewership is always appreciated thank you and have a great day
Love the new series.. keep going. The guy seems to be so honest 👍👍
Best roller video on CZcams as of yet... thanks👍🏻
Thanks smitty. Will try Richard's theory on my parlors and see where that takes me.
nice topic Sam. The issue is that over time these birds all become very much related in a smaller gene pool and the breeders can come from anywhere. It's your knowledge of these birds that allows you to select the birds that you need in the stock loft in "type" and also expression of the birds as well. It's not complicated but most just don't pay attention to these small characteristics.
We need another video very good to watch you not made one for a while now
Brooo you need to start a podcast i could listen to hours of you speaking about pigeons and the interviews
Loving this new series. Keep it up with the legends !!
Mr Apodaka is very knowledgeable when it comes to roller pigeons. Especially the theory around the muscle kock and kit bird hen to produce kit birds. I'm going to use the same theory. God bless Sir.
All the successful racing pigeon flyers here in Melbourne Australia use that exact method. Good for you sir for breaking the norm and doing something different. That is true Evolution. Thanks for the video guys much appreciated. Much love from down under 🇦🇺
Very Good I think to get that out there about Types, my friends and I growing up in the Bay Area always knew of types my older Brother who started out me in 1960 taught us about them, and I also agree with a strong muscle male.Speed also will be achieved with age and training which is very difficult in these time unlike it was for us back flying in the 60ts,70ts, and ,80ts It's a predator world now where I live Thank you Both and Smitty I love that music
Love it. Richard is not just a true gentleman. But a very thourough, deep thinking and practical Rollerman with a wealth of knowledge. I love his " Tool Box Method " and apply a lot of practices myself. Fantastic video Same and I look forward to many more to come. Regards Paul, Australia.
Keep up with the good work Sam. Great stuff, thanks.
Nice video keep up the good work
Love your videos; you're extremely knowledgeable!
Great video. Look forward to #2.
Loving the videos. keep up the good work guys. 👍
Thank u Sam 🙏
From Sweden :)
Thanks Richard! Great advice! Big shout out to him. Sam thanks for this nice video. As always you are bringing it so beautifully. Keep up the good work!
I would love to have this man's genetics in my loft
thanks, smitty.
Again and again, we are looking for successful recipes when in fact, experimentation and observation combined with talent makes always the difference... I think, when always raising for you and your pleasure and not for others and competitions, the satisfaction is guarantied.
thanks for the follow up Sam... keep it going... always nice to see other opinions
I am a homer guy but very nice content on the rollers 👍👍👍👍
Great job man...I'LL be expecting more clips on muscle birds.
Please !!!
William Pensom has book. A must read.
Thank you sam
Now some of the other vidoes make even more sense thanks Richard and Sam
Very Good advise , I pair my birds the same way
That was extremely important information, and useful, thanks for the education 👍...
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This episode is epic !!! I wonder if u can apply this theory to racing homers
Amazing videos and thanks for the knowledge too
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Nice video Sam
Goodwork
This video is very usefull thank you !
Why no videos for more than 5months 🙄
Thanks, what a great guy. I enjoyed and learned a lot.
Lots of great info thanjs😘😘😘😘❤️❤️❤️
I don't raise rollers no more but that was very interesting
My experience is the larger hens are needed for the best deep spinners. I think these days many will line breed a 2 or more lines of birds and then they mix them back to the other lines for the flyers. This induces the hybrid vigor but also does not guarantee birds that can reproduce. "Click" pairs is the #1 key for forming it's own family.
in order to Claim to have a family in my Opinion you have to be able to inbred it without creating lock up Roll downs
Damian Mimic Randall ASCAP I have a kind of a bizarre response to your post. I totally get the spirit of what you’re saying, and that is probably true if you’re saying you want to classify what you have created as a good family of performing birds. However, someone could still say they have created their own family of birds even if they don’t fly worth a crap. They Are actually several families of birds out there that are not great flyers, but there still a family. Personally, I have my own biological family. I will call them the family because were all from the same bloodline, but we have a fair amount of dysfunction. Still a family.
In England we call these pigeons tumblers. I did not see any spinners in the air. our spinning pigeons will not damage feathers when they spin fast.
to me and I might have mentioned this to you Smitty but the muscle come from the hen side. Small hens lay small eggs and produce smaller birds, hens dominate in TYPE in a breeding pair. Type is size and looks... I think producing breeders that may not be flown, but created ONLY for a stock bird it's more of a genetic make up and not as much for TYPE. Granted if you breed 4 to 6 off of this pair you might want to select the type of bird that best fits what you are are after.
I think this man has "stock sense" he says he needs birds that produce birds that produce good spinners, yes ? But he must "Test" those birds to understand what he has ! With all due respect to this gentleman, he is using Genetics to be his driving force without really understanding why it works. He is a solid breeder in my opinion, and has a loft of family crosses that make up his loft as per his statement's.
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Hii sam
Through out world ther are roller pegions But the question is why they are rolling in sky whats the mistory in that
Personaly I have roller pegions for more than 6years In India and still wondering how and why they are rolling? You have any answers
I am a subscriber of your channel for more than 1year your breeading tips are awsome it works wonderfully,Thank you!
Give us more videos.
LOVE your videos 🤩
Absolutely great work Sam, to you and camera man; and everyone else that made this happened.
I have an idea for the second series which is another old timer also from the high desert: Jose Aveneida. An excellent straight up person and knowledgeable pigeon guy that I’ve learn so much from with similar theory and off course plus his own findings with years and years experiences.
I can definitely connect you guys.
Again: great work to you and whomever else is involved in making this happen.
You can email me directly at therollerpigeonevolution@Gmail.com I would love to interview him on my show
Drop more vids like this
Comeon sam you hibernating or wat? Lets get some vids appening.....
Thank you for the very informative videos they are very helpful. Just a question, not sure if covered in previous videos. I'm relatively new to the hobby but does one fly new birds separately or mixed with older birds? Do you fly cocks and hens separately? I'm based in Port Elizabeth South Africa
Sam get some of Richard's birds flying in completions that is what rollers are about
The tail is a misconception there... I think it's because his feed is minimal.. he either feeds all wheat or only wheat and milo to the kit birds. There is not enough amino acids in there to keep the feathers in good condition. I can tell you that look at the 10th flight it's worn. This means it's tight enough to rub the other flight feather when it's spinning, those flight feathers for the "A" style they can hit and will rub and wear the end tips like that.
Its from the birds being on wire the feathers get fraid and if you dont pluck it it will look like that by september.
Did we lose the Deep tight spinner that turned into a little round ball?
Hi Sam,
Question do you breed rollers with webbed feet? And do you keep them once you do so or cull them? Why do they produce webbing on the feet?
Thank you heaps if you can answer the question,
I'm in NYC, & i have 6 bald head rollers, & I'm looking for a roof or back yard to keep them & fly them. They're in kick boxes. I'm willing to pay to use the roof or back yard.
We found one of your birds 🐦 how do we get a hold of you?
Hi Sam
Is there a way I can reach you ...i have a few question regarding breeding
dang living in tht kinda area better breed all year round for this cooper and hawk to get away!!
I've learned over the years that you have to breed for kitting as well as the roll. I see a lot of people nowadays that have good birds but the kits are sloppy and all over the place. You can't score points if your birds aren't kitting well.
Very true
Do you ever foster eggs from your stock birds to other birds to raise in order to produce more quality young birds from your best stock?
Yes always
The Roller Pigeon Evolution Smitty
Can you make a video or explain how to do this as the timing seems a little tricky. I used to do this replacing stock eggs with wooden eggs when I raised show rollers, but had mixed results and always thought I was missing something.
Your videos are outstanding by the way. Are use CZcams to learn many many things and so seen many presentations done in many different ways. Yours are very good and you are a good presenter as well. I appreciate how detailed and articulate you are when you speak. Keep going strong and I look forward to more and more videos.
The Roller Pigeon Evolution Smitty
I had a second question. Have you ever heard of a roller line from someone that used to live in Canada named Monty Neibel? If so, do you know anybody who currently raises that family? All the best!!!
Rollers were developed by using 3 types of birds old Dutch tumblers.oriental rollers. And common English tumblers God gave use all the tools to make the rollers humans created the rollers
Where smitty go?
Richard could barely keep his eyes open he is high as he’ll...😴
Hello. If u breed a Parlor with a roller will they produce good rollers?
Avina Toby Doubtful. It’s hard enough to use good roller stock and get good performing flyers. Out crossing them with a completely different breed is not likely to get good results.
Phone number please
I can understand a little about what Richard is saying but his terminology is totally different from what I think. what makes not sense is this is this statement; "he says he never has to INBREED or LINEBREED , he always outcross" This make zero sense with a family of rollers that all come from a tight gene pool.... You wil never never develop a family with line breeding at the minimum... good birds are developed from KEY INDIVIDUAL birds