Great advice, especially for noob flyers like me. I made a slightly larger Noob Tube (1m instead of 30 inches) and was struggling to fly it without seeing it stalling at the first turn. Polyhedral wings, that's the secret! Definitely recommended to make the plane more manageable and enjoyable
Great info as always! I'm going to put one of these together for my young grandson to learn to fly! Thanks and that dihedral & poly worked quite nicely!
You have helped me so much. Thank you. My nickname by my kids is Crash because everything I build hits the ground hard and comes home in pieces. Now I can build a plane that will stay in the sky. I am 53 yr old noob. Thank you so much
Thank you for this video. I started making a noob tube, but dropped the project for a photon when I learned how unstable it is. now my worries are that the photon will be too heavy for my motor. I think I'll go back to the noon design and use your popsicle stick method of dihedral. and also add some small half length ailerons to the ends. can't wait to be flying!
Hi from Phoenix. You are the only one I never got to meet at Coyote Basin Park, I hope life is going well for you and looking foreword to the next videos. Thanks for the tips.
Man. I wish I had taken more note of your stuff when I started. As you say, I am a noob builder AND flyer. I tried building a simple soarer, way too hard for a noob to build. It didn't fly so well. So i went for a simpler build, way harder to fly! Now I'm starting with your designs. Haven't flown anything yet, but the building is so much easier and it seems way tougher. Thanks for great info man!
That is just too cool! Really well done, Ed! I think this is gonna be a great candidate for my Dad. This new mod looks like it would be great to just toss the plane and then sit in a kicked back chair and relax.
I use the same joint for 2m gliders like the spirit.. I even built a 3m bird of time with such joints. But I fill it up with hot glue and making it heavy but stiff. Holds up quite well! ;) God bless yall
I honestly was expecting the wing tip brace (the gift, credit card) was going to be attached to the wing tip by cutting into the foam spar as needed so it would be fixed to the bottom of the wing from the inside. It would look better and likely make adjusting of the angle easy, or used as a minor wing tip modification. I was also expecting it to be glued in place since it could be cut off at the wing tip if desired later and not distract from the performance of the wing. I haven't read all the comments, so it may be someone else has suggested the same thing. I realize this video was published a while ago and some who might want to make the changes I have suggested may no longer be watching this video, but I suspect others visiting this channel might and could plan to make the change I suggested at the time of the build. I continue to expect many new scratch builders/pilots to watch these great videos in the future.
Ed, I love your videos. Been a fan since Flitetest showed the plane you built for Josh Scott. I heard your going to Flitefest 2016, and wish I had the means to get there, but I guess another time. Any tips for a person who would be a noob flyer, and flys alone (or should I say tried one, freaked out, and hasn't tried since.)?
Tim get a SAFE receiver that comes in the Horizon Hobby Apprentice airplane. Its a flight stabilizer that will limit the bank angle so you can't roll the model. It also will self level if the sticks are released. RC Groups.com has a thread on how to set it up. Search for 'using SAFE receiver in another plane'. Makes it was at easier to learn.
Yes, you can use the larger motors used in drones. In his other videos he makes recommendations and in most cases he will suggest a motor in the 2212 size, unless your build is heavy. If it is, you will want a stronger motor, prop, ESC, and battery size. Generally speaking, if you weigh you finished model, add 10 percent for the RC gear, you will have a good idea what motor, prop, and such in thrust you will need. If you can produce enough thrust with the combo to come real close to the the models ready-to-fly weight, it will fly just fine.
Can it be slowed down and increase lift without the polyhedral extensions just by shimming the wing front and increasing the attack angle? Or will that mess up the ailerons or something else? Or make the attachment point to the tube weak?
You're not actually increasing the angle of attack but the angle of incidence. I mean, in level flight (airflow coming through the longitudinal axis of the fuselage) the angle of incidence will be equal to the angle of attack, but AoA varies under flight conditions. Basically, you have to know at what angle your airfoil will provide the lift to keep the aircraft in level flight, and you pick that angle to mount your wings so that the fuselage can be moving "straight" and level, reducing drag. If you're an acrobatics guy, you'd want a 0º angle or else you have gravity and lift pulling your plane into the ground.
if you giys have built the dihedral wing or know about it, can you please tell me the height of the flitetest style oriented spar and its distance fromthe leading edge?
Nice and easy design! What about a pod mounted motor? Would get'em out of the danger zone if nosing in. Did I get it right: there's a little lake at your flying site? Time to announce a new seaplane Contest ;-)
I'm totally impressed with that angled wing joining technique "the popsicle-stick method". Thanx! Maybe I'll try that on the wing ends and use a small section of an Armin wing as the winglets(?) a little unobtrusive tape can allow it to be removed if desired... gotta go get some more foam board - and.... hmmm maybe cherry popsicles... yeah. That sounds about right, cherry flavored. see ya!
As always Ed, your choice of music is therapeutic or a variation thereof and therefore I want to know - what the .... is the name of featured artist/title of this rendition CUZ I LIKE IT!! Howwwwever the polyhedral popsicle stick thang is TOPS... ;--} You are a thinker
Pretty sure that's called Tip Dihedral. Polyhedral would mean the inner sections are also canted. How do you determine the ideal width of the outer panels? I haven't been able to find a consistent method for figuring that out. I've seen recommendations range from 20%-40% of the wingspan.
Most of his designs are 30 inch long fuselages since that is the longest side the foam board comes in. If you watch this video again and others he has published, this will become obvious.
I have a pair of Turnigy D2826-6 2200kv motors that I love to mount on one of your designs. I don't know what the "6" after the dash stands for. I also have a Turnigy 2200nAH 4s lipo pack 11.1v 2200mah 50C EZ 3 Cell Flite Pro Lipo Battery. Will both of these batteries work with this motor? I'd like to do some acrobatics and some decent speed flying. Do you think I could build a large Noob Tube to accommodate these power set-ups? If not, which of your designs would?
Wow, if I am reading the number right, that is a lot of motor and without visiting the H King website to check the stats, I would suspect the motor can handle and suck dry the 4s and 3s battery packs with little effort. If you are really interested in the motor details and what power, or voltage it was designed for, go to the H. King website and look at the chart. Also note the recommended ESC. If you have an ESC that is rated a few amps higher, no problem, but don't try one a few amps lower, or it likely won't last long soon after you go full throttle.
Dear Teacher, those two wings under the tail. Do I really need to add a servo? Can't a plane fly if I just add nothing? Serve on front wings can move the plane up and down, isn't it so? Please respond.
You need an elevator. You can't fly a plane like this with only aeilrons. You can build a flying wing and then you only need elevons (ailron plys elevator in one control surface)
Yes, he is taking a break, but there is still hope he would get back into it. I am hoping it is just a dry spell that will pass and nothing more serious.
what I dont see in all of these kind of planes, flite test, etc... is all the alignment challenges that I had to go thru when I balsa built a plane that flew for 20 seconds crashed and then of course I have not revisited this hobby since the 80's. I have always yearned to get back in. is there some huge missing segment that I dont get? lol, are these truly idiot proof. probably doesn't matter, im building something like this this weekend. I completely (I think) understand how these are built. im certainly making this wing about 12 feet long (not really)
you can fly a sheet of foamboard with no wing. its not exactly idiot proof but its not as hard as it seems intially. you can get pretty much anything to fly. battery tech much improved since the 80s too
Great advice, especially for noob flyers like me. I made a slightly larger Noob Tube (1m instead of 30 inches) and was struggling to fly it without seeing it stalling at the first turn. Polyhedral wings, that's the secret! Definitely recommended to make the plane more manageable and enjoyable
The popsicle stick joiners are pure genus! Brilliant, I will be using this in future construction!
Wonderful Ed. You are the master of simplicity. What a beautiful place to fly.
Your videos are much appreciated. The hobby of foamboard airframe construction needed a guru/emissary, and you fill those shoes well.
So great you're making videos again. Love your construction techniques and your clear and concise commentary. Thank you!
Nicely done, Ed! Increased versatility and minimal cost are a great combination. Thanks very much for a great video.
Dwight
Great info as always! I'm going to put one of these together for my young grandson to learn to fly! Thanks and that dihedral & poly worked quite nicely!
You have helped me so much. Thank you. My nickname by my kids is Crash because everything I build hits the ground hard and comes home in pieces. Now I can build a plane that will stay in the sky. I am 53 yr old noob. Thank you so much
enjoying your videos and great design! love the way you do things.
This is great. The dihedral and polyhedral make these things so much easeir to fly.
You are such a great source of knowledge, thanks for sharing!
Brilliant wing-joining method.
Very good explanations and tips. I'm gonna use them in my next own build! Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge from Germany.
Popsicle stick joiner opens up many more ideas for builds as in Corsair.
So glad your not a Tesla channel no more!! You were the reason I built my first scratch build!! ❤
thanks for the update. . had made many similar noob tube planes with a little thicker wider and longer wings..
Inspirational, I had a wing just looking for the right fuselage, a union made in heaven. Thanks Ed.
Great video, glad to see you're making videos again.
Unreal, great tips!
I always take My crazy stuff up way high an do a stall test.
Stoked I found Your channel brains, awesome EA.
Excellent,great concepts
Easy techniques! Great Job Sir!!!
Thank you for this video. I started making a noob tube, but dropped the project for a photon when I learned how unstable it is. now my worries are that the photon will be too heavy for my motor. I think I'll go back to the noon design and use your popsicle stick method of dihedral. and also add some small half length ailerons to the ends. can't wait to be flying!
excellent work, I am a slow flier, so this is Awesome!
Hi from Phoenix. You are the only one I never got to meet at Coyote Basin Park, I hope life is going well for you and looking foreword to the next videos. Thanks for the tips.
Brilliant! ....again. Thanks for sharing Ed.
Love the cold compressed air trick.
Thanks for making these videos
Thank you for your videos, you have a clear and concise way of describing complex terms. Cudo's
flew my EA plane just 10 mins ago, it was awesome, Eds techniques worked amazingly on my air-frame... maybe ill see you at flightfest!
Very good! Thanks for the info. and demo.
Man. I wish I had taken more note of your stuff when I started. As you say, I am a noob builder AND flyer. I tried building a simple soarer, way too hard for a noob to build. It didn't fly so well. So i went for a simpler build, way harder to fly! Now I'm starting with your designs. Haven't flown anything yet, but the building is so much easier and it seems way tougher. Thanks for great info man!
Just go for it.
Brilliant as ever! :)
That is just too cool! Really well done, Ed! I think this is gonna be a great candidate for my Dad. This new mod looks like it would be great to just toss the plane and then sit in a kicked back chair and relax.
I use the same joint for 2m gliders like the spirit..
I even built a 3m bird of time with such joints. But I fill it up with hot glue and making it heavy but stiff. Holds up quite well! ;) God bless yall
I used popsicle sticks(4, 2 for each side) on a spirit 2m glued and bathed on hot glue. Holding up beautifully
He deserves more subscribers!!!
I honestly was expecting the wing tip brace (the gift, credit card) was going to be attached to the wing tip by cutting into the foam spar as needed so it would be fixed to the bottom of the wing from the inside. It would look better and likely make adjusting of the angle easy, or used as a minor wing tip modification. I was also expecting it to be glued in place since it could be cut off at the wing tip if desired later and not distract from the performance of the wing. I haven't read all the comments, so it may be someone else has suggested the same thing. I realize this video was published a while ago and some who might want to make the changes I have suggested may no longer be watching this video, but I suspect others visiting this channel might and could plan to make the change I suggested at the time of the build. I continue to expect many new scratch builders/pilots to watch these great videos in the future.
Ed Is back with it finally !!!!! # happiness
Very Nice!
I like the Polyhed idea , which is what I will do with the new Noob :-) more my style of flying .
Dude, your going to Flite Fest 2016.. I'm so jealous!!!
Still a good build, puzzled on how to set up a twin for motor controlled Yaw as you did long ago with your cargo plane? Maybe a instructional video.
nicee.. I like this plane 'n portable wing! any this plan bro..? and then.. is the 1045 propller (my motor1000kv) suitable for this plane..?
Muito bom, ficou legal esse aéro, diga, qual o grau do diedro?
wow lot helpful
Very cool. For the Popsicle method, how thick is the wing spar and how far aft of the leading edge is it located for the seven inch chord wing?
Great ideas for RC planes. Do you have any video about electric motors,ESC for planes ?.Thanks for video
Lots of those are already available and if you try to watch them all, you are going to be busy most of the year.
You ar awesome
Ed, I love your videos. Been a fan since Flitetest showed the plane you built for Josh Scott. I heard your going to Flitefest 2016, and wish I had the means to get there, but I guess another time. Any tips for a person who would be a noob flyer, and flys alone (or should I say tried one, freaked out, and hasn't tried since.)?
Tim get a SAFE receiver that comes in the Horizon Hobby Apprentice airplane. Its a flight stabilizer that will limit the bank angle so you can't roll the model. It also will self level if the sticks are released. RC Groups.com has a thread on how to set it up. Search for 'using SAFE receiver in another plane'. Makes it was at easier to learn.
I take it you don't have a fellow RC airplane mate anywhere near you, or even better, a RC club you could join?
plz, how much long plane or wings
Guys can you tell me which are all the electronics I am going to need? Also can I use ESC and motors labelled for drones?
Yes, you can use the larger motors used in drones. In his other videos he makes recommendations and in most cases he will suggest a motor in the 2212 size, unless your build is heavy. If it is, you will want a stronger motor, prop, ESC, and battery size. Generally speaking, if you weigh you finished model, add 10 percent for the RC gear, you will have a good idea what motor, prop, and such in thrust you will need. If you can produce enough thrust with the combo to come real close to the the models ready-to-fly weight, it will fly just fine.
Can it be slowed down and increase lift without the polyhedral extensions just by shimming the wing front and increasing the attack angle? Or will that mess up the ailerons or something else? Or make the attachment point to the tube weak?
You're not actually increasing the angle of attack but the angle of incidence. I mean, in level flight (airflow coming through the longitudinal axis of the fuselage) the angle of incidence will be equal to the angle of attack, but AoA varies under flight conditions. Basically, you have to know at what angle your airfoil will provide the lift to keep the aircraft in level flight, and you pick that angle to mount your wings so that the fuselage can be moving "straight" and level, reducing drag. If you're an acrobatics guy, you'd want a 0º angle or else you have gravity and lift pulling your plane into the ground.
if you giys have built the dihedral wing or know about it, can you please tell me the height of the flitetest style oriented spar and its distance fromthe leading edge?
Can I use 1000kv motor with 11 inch props for this?
Nice and easy design! What about a pod mounted motor? Would get'em out of the danger zone if nosing in.
Did I get it right: there's a little lake at your flying site? Time to announce a new seaplane Contest ;-)
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I'm totally impressed with that angled wing joining technique "the popsicle-stick method". Thanx!
Maybe I'll try that on the wing ends and use a small section of an Armin wing as the winglets(?) a little unobtrusive tape can allow it to be removed if desired... gotta go get some more foam board - and.... hmmm maybe cherry popsicles... yeah. That sounds about right, cherry flavored.
see ya!
LOL, flavored popsicle sticks. I doubt the glue would stick properly to those. LOL.
As always Ed, your choice of music is therapeutic or a variation thereof and therefore I want to know - what the .... is the name of featured artist/title of this rendition CUZ I LIKE IT!! Howwwwever the polyhedral popsicle stick thang is TOPS... ;--} You are a thinker
ed how do you think the axon would like some Polyhedral
Most any design can benefit from that to help it self correct when needed. Very common on old free flight designs and others.
Pretty sure that's called Tip Dihedral. Polyhedral would mean the inner sections are also canted.
How do you determine the ideal width of the outer panels? I haven't been able to find a consistent method for figuring that out. I've seen recommendations range from 20%-40% of the wingspan.
Hi, can you give me the measurements of the polyhedral panel. thank you hopefully you respond.
He suggested a few options and you could watch the video again.
What Size is that Fuse ? looks smaller than normal Noob tube Fuse . Thanks
Most of his designs are 30 inch long fuselages since that is the longest side the foam board comes in. If you watch this video again and others he has published, this will become obvious.
I have a pair of Turnigy D2826-6 2200kv motors that I love to mount on one of your designs. I don't know what the "6" after the dash stands for. I also have a Turnigy 2200nAH 4s lipo pack
11.1v 2200mah 50C EZ 3 Cell Flite Pro Lipo Battery. Will both of these batteries work with this motor?
I'd like to do some acrobatics and some decent speed flying. Do you think I could build a large Noob Tube to accommodate these power set-ups? If not, which of your designs would?
Wow, if I am reading the number right, that is a lot of motor and without visiting the H King website to check the stats, I would suspect the motor can handle and suck dry the 4s and 3s battery packs with little effort. If you are really interested in the motor details and what power, or voltage it was designed for, go to the H. King website and look at the chart. Also note the recommended ESC. If you have an ESC that is rated a few amps higher, no problem, but don't try one a few amps lower, or it likely won't last long soon after you go full throttle.
Does the Polyhedral only use elevator and rudder. Thanks.
yes rudder and elevator and throttle 3 channels hook up the rudder servo to the aileron port on the receiver
yes rudder and elevator and throttle 3 channels hook up the rudder servo to the aileron port on the receiver
Good afternoon!
Would you mind sending this plant!
Thanks
Dear Teacher, those two wings under the tail. Do I really need to add a servo? Can't a plane fly if I just add nothing? Serve on front wings can move the plane up and down, isn't it so? Please respond.
You need an elevator. You can't fly a plane like this with only aeilrons. You can build a flying wing and then you only need elevons (ailron plys elevator in one control surface)
@@MrKyle700 You're an angel. Been waiting for a reply for 2 months. Thanks a lot dear!
Hi Ed. Have you stopped making videos?
Yes, he is taking a break, but there is still hope he would get back into it. I am hoping it is just a dry spell that will pass and nothing more serious.
Try Tight Bond II glue
won't noobs (or anybody) break a ton of props and bend the motor shaft?
You could use a prop saver ;)
In my opinion, Edward Sir's plane designs are far more superior to fliteTest.
what I dont see in all of these kind of planes, flite test, etc... is all the alignment challenges that I had to go thru when I balsa built a plane that flew for 20 seconds crashed and then of course I have not revisited this hobby since the 80's. I have always yearned to get back in. is there some huge missing segment that I dont get? lol, are these truly idiot proof. probably doesn't matter, im building something like this this weekend. I completely (I think) understand how these are built. im certainly making this wing about 12 feet long (not really)
you can fly a sheet of foamboard with no wing. its not exactly idiot proof but its not as hard as it seems intially. you can get pretty much anything to fly. battery tech much improved since the 80s too