Engine Rebuild / Restore in a bottle - Snake oil ? - Dyno Tested
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Test engine/s Spec:
Polished turd:
VVT-i intake pulley
Long rod bottom end
Modified early bigport head
TRD head gasket
284/278 degree camshafts - kelford 193b
Toda valve springs
10.3:1 smallport pistons
Toda 3.7kg flywheel
Maxpeedingrods connecting rods
Link G4 ecu
52mm itb's
Garage4age Header and 3" exhaust
Forgot to put in the video; I drained the same amount of oil from sump as the horrible stuff i poured in the top. to keep oil level the same. Also pretty sure this is the last time you'll see the frankenturd. Next vid will likely be a little while away, but will be back with more power
I spot an e36 rim in the back.... Some m50 content coming?
@@hugovandyk3845 it's more like an e30, e36 is 5 bolts
They are e30 bottle caps on my corolla
Hello, I got a somewhat simple video idea, revisiting crankcase pressure. Does getting fresh air directly under the pistons help? Does positive crankcase pressure help a "well worn" engine?............. Perhaps you can obtain more horsepower with negative pressure if you have a breather on the dipstick (to get fresh air under pistons). Another idea is with forcing fresh air under the pistons and venting through a valve cover port (no PCV in place), possibly restricting this if positive crankcase pressure helps a "well worn" engine.
You should try the ceramic restorer additives like RVS technology that claim to actually restore worn/rough metal inside engine with ceramic.
Last weekend I was at a car meet called JapDays here in Sweden. I had your t-shirts on and there are some people commenting on that!
I love your vids and tests. You even inspired me to paint my engine block gold.
Thats pretty cool. Even better, the gold block
Products that do work are decarbonisation products. I use a Subaru branded 'upper cylinder cleaner'. Great for cleaning up the combustion chamber, backs of valves and freeing up and de-coking rings. My Silvia had 2 holes with 50psi compression, pulled the plugs and put half a can in each, left it a few hours. Turning the crank every hour. Plugs back in and took it for a hard run up the road re test the next day. All cylinders back up within 5psi. Obviously won't help if the rings are generally worn out.
I don't really believe in this whole idea of putting thicker oil in worn engines to reduce smoke or oil consumption. I reckon thicker oil would be harder for the oil rings to scrape back off. Id only consider it if the engine had low oil pressure and use it as a band aid.
Obviously you where sceptical on the effectiveness of this product. Oil manufacturers have additive packs to improve the performance of oil. This for the most eliminates any need or temptation to add additional junk to it.
This only means it's time for pistons and rings. Can't wait to see the difference with new parts!
Collecting parts to build up the turd bottom end to same spec as my good engine. The long rod version of it. Will eventually find its way under the big valve/big cam head. if all goes to plan!
@@Garage4age Custom cam testing?
I thought the steel beam said "do not use pork roast"
Also, your engine bay looks amazing.
Haha, They must have lost a few on the ground. have seen a few of these old dyno beds, with the same angry dont fork lift me painting guys work on them.
I love how you are testing all these things. I’d really love to see a dyno test of mandrel vs press bent exhausts in the same size. We all know mandrel will be better, but by how much and is it worth the extra costs?
I once owned a 1985 Bronco with the 300 six. The engine was smoking badly and burning a lot of oil so when I was forced to use it to tow a trailer 1200 miles I was not happy about it. I added some engine restore figuring I had nothing to lose.
After about 500 miles the oil loss was reduced and by the time I arrived the engine no longer smoked badly, just a little.
I honestly think all the Restore did was free up some stuck piston rings but it did work.
I'm not even into Toyoda's and I love this channel.
Would love a series like this, test a variety of octane boosters
As expected!
Not that you had to test it, at least it didn't wreck the motor.
You should try the ceramic restorer additives like RVS technology that claim to actually restore worn/rough metal inside engine with ceramic.
I really think products like this only increase oil viscosity. Perhaps in some limited situations this can help with blow-by and increase oil pressure and even reduce oil leaks. But I almost wonder if you'd get even better results with just using thicker/heavier grade oil instead.
Thanks for the solid test!!
Check project farms 2 videos on restore
This channel is SO FKIN UNDERRATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can try a ceramic power liquid in the engine and see with dyno de differences
See that's not fair.... Snake oil works fine... Just needs full engine rebuild but never use it in engine just on bread. Good stuff😁
I have a similar issue only after daily driving my motor. Totally sucks but for the few pulls I do, I'm going to have to live with it.
It would have been interesting to see if a 2 stroke premix could have helped. Bit like pouring oil into the cylinder to suss where comp is being lost, but more proactive. Probably start at 200:1 and work down to 50:1... for pscience. There's 'anecdotal' evidence rotors pick up a little power with heavy premix around 60:1 so always been curious.
I've used this product a long time ago on an old high mileage Chevy's 250 straight 6. I did see some improvements in oil consumption and performance and overall the engine seemed to rrun slightly smoother. If you have an old worn out engine and don't feel like rebuilding it there's no harm in giving it a trying.
Thick oil helps a ton, used to work great in my smokey eg6. My 4age smokes also at redline but thats because i run 10w30, if i run 15w40 it prob be way better and not smoke
Tack!
Yes always smokey but with style 🤣
Hope you can do a detailed docu of your next build up to the clearance you'll be running :)
I might go into a bit more detail when this bottom end gets up built properly. Will be swapping back to the "good engine" in the meantime
Engine restore is the one you should try out
Engine Restore additive will likely have a better effect then that rislone vii additive. Engine Restore has dissolved copper.
Hi, can you do back to back dyno runs with different injector timing, does the fuel spray push any extra air through the port. Also, any difference between adequate, large and huge injectors to the power curve.
Love your work.
That snake oil looks delicious 🤤
hell yea bro good keep them coming. frankenturd is my fav yt car everrrrr lol
Project Farm tested a similar product. This stuff can only have a chance of working if you actually have low compression to start with.
I’ve used restore on some really tired engines and basically doubled the power. My old truck would only do 40mph after restore it could go on the highway. It does take time to work it in though not instant results…
Try Marval mystery oil I'd soak the rings do each cylinder at TDC for a few days fill it to the top of the sparkplug dump the engine oil and out 5w40 oil in it. After say 2000km add some to engine oil and fuel system too it will clean everything eventually
May work on an carb'd up engine with stuck rings. not the issue on this engine though
Do a review of CSL. KEEP UP GOOD WORK ! Like the content
These worn engine additives just thicken your oil I think.
Rislone nano prime performance oil..Dyno test please
Time for a rebuild
what is the numbers on the left of the dyno graph from 0 to 500. i was always curious
torque at the wheels. Its what the dyno reads to calculate power. torque applied to rollers and roller speed = power
hi mister ,i love your technicals videos ,do you want ideas ? testing some differents spark plug (cold,warm ,one electrod ,three electrods ,paladium etc as you want )thank s a lot best regards from france and from old technicien on testing dyno on formula one engines bmw with 5 bars boost .
I would have added the bread for best results, then again, the engine may have been toast !
Thankfully it didn´t break the engine.
Hy Im from Croatia and I have one question.so my engine have blowbay and I remove oil dipstic out to let out presurre from engine because my seals leaking I put some rubeer tube on place where is oil dipstic ant put to ground.question is is that mode dangeres for engine .I notice better acceleration after i do this but I scare that is danger for engine.Please answer to me.Thanks
It's fine as long as your oil doesn't run low, but it sounds like your engine has seen better days
8:16 looks like it regained power and torque up near redline
Yo, ive got a 20v blacktop with 208,000ks on the clock, owned it for 12 years and barely thrashed it always regular oil changes. You think these engines are reliable enough to reach 300,000ks ?
have seen plenty of them do 300k. But probably a good number to think about a rebuild. they usually keep going till they run a big end. or start using all the oil, which is often stem seals in 20v's case.
Snake oil ..semacam apa bosss...balas...
Try Metal Lube
Back with more power.... Sc14 time
This car has actually already had one of those briefly
Straight 200 weight oil
Hey man, I'm curious what size are the ITBs you always run on this?
Like not runner length but actual butterfly diameter? I'm assuming they're 43mm silvertop throttles?
They are 52mm BMW throttles. Oversized for this engine. The setup is off my other engine. Silvertops would be pretty borderline for this engine. A 40mm runner restricts power to 130kw. So if you take into consideration the area the throttle plates take up. At least blacktop 45s would be the go for power this engine making
Engine restore would actually work but the car needs to be driven first. This is also under the assumption it’s piston rings and not guide seals causing blow by
@garage4AGE - would you test something that has been WPC treated?
There is one that works - it is from Finland. It's call RVS - My friends and I have used it only one car didn't improve, some got great results and some got okay results
I second this
I have used rvs too, that ”snakeoil” added torque in 1000-3000rpm range very noticeable by butt feel so it should show even better results on the real dyno 😃
That is from Russia and sold under many other brands all over the world.
@@V8Lenny It was discovered in Russia
@@kristoffervl2739 yes, too bad engine is not a drill bit.
I can't believe they still sell that stuff. I remember seeing that crap when I was a kid and thinking what's this bs?
Did ye expect a miracle cure.. 🤣🤣🤣
So salty, all i got was indigestion 😂
Not more power, maybe less wear and tear.???
Try the Nulon long life engine treatment, makes my 4stroke 450 kick start like a 125.
Now did the snake oil give you a power run to the khazi?
Haha it sure did
Amazin thing on 4AGE is, it copied Cosworth engine from 70s but never reached its values. No hate, just mentioning. Whats the problem of 4AGE compare to Cosworth BDE except displacement? Im watching some dude who is racing starlet and reaching 200+hp as he states was very problematic even with his great knowledge of engine engeneering....right now hes doing 10K RPM, one of fastest 1600cc car in uphill races, BUT that was doable by Cosworth in 70s....
There isn't much in common with them other than being a twin cam 16v 4 cylinder. maybe they took some ideas from cosworth engine. but there were other engines around with similar design also. 2000cc vs 1600cc is a quite a displacement difference. cosworth has a whole cylinder worth of displacement more. Another way to look at it, is 2000cc engine has to make 100hp per liter to make 200hp at engine. 1600cc has to make 125hp per liter to make same 200hp.
Wow....I'm just impressed that a 4age that smokes that badly makes 130 WHP. Would my 4age make more power if it sburned oil 🤔
it's 130kw at wheels.
@@Cylcopath_GR 😭 175 HP! While mine struggles to make 120 at the crank! I'm even more impressed by this oil burning wonder of machinery!
@@slohachi6433 Because of his extractors, cams, and bigger throttle bodies probably, and coil on plug setup, god knows what else he's done this guy is a guru
The real question is how much oil did it burn on those runs? 🤔🙈😂
all of it
@@Garage4age 🤣🤣🤣 perfect!
The fact tuhat you didn’t do any before/after blow by and compression measurements, proves you had no faith in it working.
Are you going with over bore when rebuild?
I was going to do a compression test before and after. but half the internet has already done that. So thought I'd just let the dyno tell the story as usual. I was slightly surprised the power come back up after the first few runs reading lower. Just like higher viscosity/ colder oil would. which was as expected, since was like pouring some heavy gear oil in there.
It's crazy to to think that people buy addictives like this in general... .. lead additives in our old fuels was a great friction reducer... Shame it ain't available any longer.
Got to respect the beating that the 4G can take and keep working
It was an anti-detonation agent, like to incerase effective octane rating of fuels, not friction reducer afaik. ...
Also poisoning everything around with lead. Not ideal...
@@imrostoffa9077 that may be it's intent if your correct but its micro led depositing properties on the engines internals reduced friction MASSIVELY.. that's just a well documented and proven fact !
Did you ever do Oil testing? Engine Masters here in the U.S. did an episode. Thicker oil resulted in power gains on some engines due to ring seal. m.czcams.com/video/DWblUriIwhg/video.html&pp=ygUSRW5naW5lIG1hc3RlcnMgb2ls See if you can get Nulon or some other high performance "Boutique" racing oil donated by the blender in different weights, but make sure you ask for high concentration of Tri-nuclear MoDtc, & Zddp combo in the oil blend. You might be surprised at the gains...... 🏁🏁🏁
Also, try a dyno run after the oil change, then again in 100km as it takes time for the MoDtc (Moly) to build a synergistic layer with zinc as a anti-friction coating.
MoDtc is the best Moly vs. the numero forms of Moly used in many oils & Additives like MsO2 which is a inferior form of Moly.
Next engine should have boost 110%
I can understand how the ones you add to fuel to loosen up carbon deposits might work, but adding to the oil screams snake-oil from the start
I was curious what the compression test was at all these points. I heard engine restore worked.
czcams.com/video/Hr8jIwVyIFE/video.html
Doesnt work.. you have to try resurs
You may also want to try engine restorer if it is available where you live.
czcams.com/video/Hr8jIwVyIFE/video.html
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