The Essentials of Agorism // (Briefly Explained)
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- čas přidán 31. 01. 2020
- Agorism, created by Samuel Konkin, is perhaps one of the most interesting, thought-provoking, and nuanced forms of modern anarchist theories. It is perhaps so logically consistent in it's essential principles that it's own consistency can even become a hindrance. Nonetheless it is greatly respected among the wider anarchist community from the ultra-socialists to the ultra-capitalists and attempts to capture the best of each into not just a theory, but an entire practice.
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Okay so the audio graph has come out pretty borked and I'm not sure why. If it's too cringy I'll re-do it
It's fine. Thanks for making this! For years it's been difficult to understand the difference between ancap and agorism, this is really helped.
@@iguanarchist Agreed on all points.
if you are referring to the white graph at the bottom, i actually liked it, it was a good touch.
I make my entire livelihood practicing countereconomics by selling fruit at farmers markets
Chad
I sure hope they don't go cashless things will be so much harder for you guys.
@@anindividual4916 we will make due. Innovation is our strength.
@@anindividual4916 could start accepting crypto
@@shcottgoggle and precious metals
Lmao this is the most libertarian philosophy I’ve hear. Encourage tax evasion and don’t vote, I love it
Yeah, and it’s interesting how agorists are opposed to capitalism, but see it as a necessary evil in order to shift to a sort of market socialism
@@theparadigm8149 not necessarily opposed to capitalism as a free exchange of goods and services. Capitalism is more widely understood in the agorist circles as the white, corporate regulated market.
@@antyrak7905
Yeah, that’s a good way of putting it! 👍
Agorists are opposed to the contemporary conception of capitalism that involves big money in politics and regulations of the black market, but they favor a classical liberal conception of capitalism. Just as there are post-left anarchists, agorists can be seen as post-right anarchists
@@theparadigm8149 No, Konkin only noted that the term "capitalism" is abused and used as a derogative term, and the synonymous phrase "free market" is preferred simply to avoid the negative connotation in the minds of the ignorant masses.
Socialism is the last thing Konkin and fellow agorists support.
@@antyrak7905 perhaps some agorists. Hardly all. Capitalism per definition is unregulated and unaffiliated to government and their corporations. Most people unfortunately don't understand the definition of capitalism, because they don't understand the difference between being corporately owned and being a corporation. It's as if they thought being social means being a socialist. One is voluntary and decentralized, the other is compulsory and centralized. A corporate regulated market is a statist oligarchy. Cronyism or fascism, basically the opposite of capitalism.
The "Left" on Left Libertarian that Konkin proposed has a completely different meaning.
Congratulations on making me laugh hysterically within the first minute. Looks like I'll be watching more of your videos!
Glad you enjoyed!
I’m a conservative but this might be the best way to get rid of all the gov. Only problem is you got to convince the majority to drain the tax funding
Then you're on our team m8!
Welcome!
Once people get used to using crypto, you don't need to convince them about avoiding taxes. They get motivated themselves!
Best way to do this is lead by example. Live a life free from debt, and the associated necessary high income. Find ways to invest in your own self-reliance, eg. buy a solar setup to power your home, grow your own food, harvest rainwater etcetera. What income you do need to generate, likely only around £20-30k for your entire household, can be done so in the grey markets. If you and your partner both contribute you only need to generate £15k each. You make more, great, you can be more comfortable. People will be inspired by this.
People only convince themselves
This shit is an absolute pipedream. Nobody is going to strike en masse ever. Too many people living paycheck to paycheck, and the ruling class has enough wealth to stave off the effects of mass strikes. The only type of revolution that has any hope at fixing anything is through direct action - but there are too many bearded, burly, blowhard pussies who care too much about their fake ass manly image and their lifestyle to do anything at all.
You've opened my eyes.
well it seems my idea of how society should be, is basically arogism, without knowing it. thank you for this video really loved this, and now i class myself as an agorism.
Same
Konkin refers to Mises on the difference between capitalists and entrepreneurs, but while Mises and Konkin agree that they are not the same thing, Mises makes it clear that every actor is both at all times and criticises the mistake of thinking the different classes refer to different groups of people.
I prefer a return to Gold and Silver then using Bit Coin.
A crypto backed by silver/gold would be ideal.
The notion has been thrown around... but of course the govt would stop it quick 😢
Except we use gold and silver in electronics so the currency would necessarily deflate.
Thanks for the video. I recently started looking into Agorism. As someone probably 5 years from retirement at a Corporate gig, tax evasion doesn't seem like a great option for me though:) Maybe my retirement job can be grey:)
Wherein it's possible, having an ownership philosophy in your life will allow you to naturally avoid a huge amount of the state's influence. The typical high time-preference middle class citizen will have thousands in student loans, a car loan, an initially 90% LTV mortgage on their home, they'll be hooked up to the grid for water, gas and power and they'll buy their food from the supermarket. Living a life based on perpetual outgoings rather than owning the things in your life as much as possible incurs added liability to state extortion based on your reliance on an income. Not only will you be taxed via income tax and VAT on goods and services you purchase in order to continue living, you will also be participating in a significant way on the wider monetary system with your salary at the mercy of pillaging monetary monopolists. Simply by making measured decisions in your youth and living frugally throughout your life, you will not become so reliant on these systems to get by. Owning a small home with a small mortgage, or ideally outright, using a cheap solar setup (you can get enough for a family of 4 from a £7k setup) for power, harvesting rainwater like you mentioned, growing all your veg in your back garden and only buying the odd luxuries, and truly living a lifestyle of equity and not debt, the influence of government will be diminished. It's so clear how the co-relationship between the industrial complexes and the state works. Politicians have every incentive to keep their citizenry in debt, generating high incomes to pay off these debts, the banks collecting interest and the state the tax from these processes. If everyone owned cheap second hand cars, small homes in the countryside or little terraces and semis in the suburbs, grew food and generated their own power, the state would be *severely* weakened and would likely not be able to support itself. If you only need £20-30k between you and your partner for your family to live comfortably and with some luxury, and if you can generate this humble income through the grey markets, you're winning. Work in a local shop, sell fresh produce, learn a trade. Never declare to HMRC. Things like council tax may be unavoidable, but these are more minor transgressions on more decentralised scales and do not particularly contribute to the finances of the nation-state. You'll be paying for a new development you don't like, or shitty roads, but at least you won't be funding genocide.
You forgot the part where silk road dude payed for a hitman that was just the feds
He did not pay for a hitman. That's a lie promoted by the state, and he proved that in court.
He is literally in prison for nothing. Zero of the accusations held up, and they justified his conviction on tax evasion.
Agorism is against the red market. No agorist would hire a hit man. As Russ did not.
there is also a pink market, that is essentially red market activity approved by the state
Could you do a video on Vonu, a philosophy that is an expression of agorism?
Great video and nice to hear an English voice talking about it! Ignore the negative comments the spoon fed will enjoy being poor
Can I have a short explanation on this? I need something to refer to.
This was a short explanation and the video gave quite a lot of references for future reading.
I encourage you to keep learning about this 🤪👍
Excellent video, however one thing that I found to be unfortunate is the fact that you said that the creator of silk Road got two life sentences for and only for creating the silk road, however that time when he arranged two murders definitely added to the sentence
He didn't. It was a fabricated claim which the court dismissed because there was absolutely no evidence. One of the people he was accused of arranging a hit on came out and said it wasn't Ross that did it
@@CeaddaOfMercia hm, interesting
#freeross
this is nostalgic for me
I think fellow agorists might do well to use and encourage use of the GoldBack. It has all of the privacy benefits of cash without using the currency of the State and without losing value to inflation.
you should do more videos about agorism
Agora Anarchy Action
What do you think of Rothbards comments on Konkins ideas being “naive”?
I think he was right. Agorism has brilliant praxis, but where the principles try to move away from anarcho-capitalism, things start to get sketchy and dogmatic rather than useful or insightful.
@@CeaddaOfMercia there’s a good debate between you should watch between Jay Dyer and Robert Taylor on capitalism/communism. Even if you don’t agree with Dyer’s position (Orthodox Reactionary/Theocratic Monarchist) I doubt you’ll walk out of it without learning about an entirely new mode of thinking.
I understand what they’re trying to say, but using tools of the state to overthrow it is the only way I could see anarchy occurring.
As seen with the s1lk r0ad example BTC is a public ledger. Mon 3ro is private.
What’s that music at the end of the video?
I don't even remember
I agree with much of Agorist theory, but I don't like the distancing away from the term Capitalism, I believe it needs to be reclaimed, personally. At the same time I hate to see the Hoppean-Agorist divide plaguing AnCap circles, they have many good beliefs on both sides even if I don't identify as either fully.
I think it'd be difficult to reclaim the word as everytime you mention it or triggers regurgitated strawmen. Also hoppe might not be without merit, but I think his cons out weigh the pros. He's a neo fuedalist.
@@anindividual4916 It is not fuedalistic to define how people may or may not use your property.
@@vaporwavevocap hoppe is a lot more than simple property ethics. czcams.com/video/gOaE39bQWUs/video.html
Gorilla Munch
oh yeah
Okay I think I'm an Agorist, I hate the government. I think I might just live in my car.
would people who consentually join the military be considered state capitalists?
Agorism is a fantastic idea. Konkin's elaboration of it is naive. It needs extension.
Check this out www.spaz.org/~dan/individualist-anarchist/software/konkin-interview.html He was close with Murray and described agorist as more rothbardian than rothbard was. Said Rothbard realized this after getting disillusioned with the libertarian party
0:09 another video in the future when ?
Why you relationated anarchy with the Gadsden´s symbololy?
@ShimmerySound Gagdsen was ENSLAVER.
question I've seen some people call Agorism left wing why is that?
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I can't see any difference between Anarcho-capitalism and Agorism at all, both reject the state (all the ancaps I know *don't* vote) and both want freed markets. Please enlighten me, I'm genuinely curious. Thanks. :-)
Agorism has a class theory that distinguishes entrepreneurs, non-state-capitalists and state-capitalists. It also has a defined set of praxis. Those are the main two.
Here’s my understanding: Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy that wants a stateless society and private property rights. It has no comment on HOW to get to that point. Agorism is a method of how to get to a stateless society. I am not an expert at all but that seemed to be the main difference to me
Agorism as a philosophy is silly. It is a very simple principle, easily expressed.
Konkin elaborated on it and made it political, much to my chagrin. There is no place in agorism for politics. It is essentially an apolitical idea, and he screwed it up.
One is a philosophy you keep in your mind, one is a philosophy of action.
All agorists are ancaps, but not all ancaps are agorists. For example, an ancap who votes, pays his taxes in full to the Pentagon, eats the food pyramid, saves his money with US treasury bills, and doesn't know how to use Bitcoin, would not qualify as agorist.
A related philosophy to agorism is Vonu, which is about making oneself invulnerable to government coercion.
I’m new to politics and libertarianism. Does anyone know any good books about economics? I’m a teenager but I know a little bit hence to why imm a libertarian but I don’t own any books about economics. Please help
If you just google libertarian reading lists you'll get loads of really good results. I'd personally reccomend you start with Road to Serfdom by Friedrich Hayek, or Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman. From there you should be able to decide what areas interest you the most and where to go for them
@@CeaddaOfMercia thanks so much on replying mate👍🏻 Will defo have a read through. Amazing work you’re doing with the youtube
Im late to this but id start off with economics in one lesson then move to anatomy of the state or road to serfdom
Read "The Conquest of Bread", which is a great left-libertarianism book
Please consider mirroring your channel to LBRY :)
So should I stop stealing from cvs?
Thanks for a great intro to agorism. Had to LOL at the red market explanation as things the state does every day but says is illegal for you to do. The ultimate hypocrisy, it seems.
Bitcoin as a link between markets is a great explanation. Narnia springs to mind for some reason.
Inflation in excess of actual growth is absolutely theft of the wealth of everyone who uses it, at a massive scale, and imperceptible to the frogs being boiled slowly by it. However inflation in the form of increased money supply that accurately captures actual growth in an economy is necessary for a money supply to accurately reflect new value created in the economy. If that doesn't happen then there's deflation as the money becomes overvalued.
When Bitcoin miners produce a new coin, they are capturing new value from the cost to produce the coin and also the future use of the coin. They are inflating the money supply. They are creating inflation. Yet we don't call that inflation bad because it has a fairly direct relation to the cost and utility of the money.
Capitalism only has a negative connotation if one accepts and integrates the left's perspective and propaganda against it. One needn't do that.
CBDCs are coming and I despise the thought of them.
Do agorist think arms dealing is ok?
Absolutely
11:40 not long enough tbh. the military industrial complex is a terrible thing
Too bad states are pushing state owned digital currencies which make the grey and whit emarkets nigh impossible...
Ross Ulbricht did commit actual immoral crimes but that is not what he was sentenced for. He ordered hits be made against enemies of the well being of the silk road, HOWEVER, this could be a setup to keep people from crying out about his sentence as they'll think ''Well he did do these other things''. He wasn't sentenced for that and so you already know innocent until proven guilty.
There is no evidence whatsoever to that claim, it can only be taken as a total fabrication in an attempt to further guarantee his sentencing. One of the supposed "victims" of it went public to say Ross never did anything of the sort
@@CeaddaOfMercia What I thought I knew was that the victims didn't exist and that the characters recieving and performing the hits were a setup by one single scammer to trick money out of Ross, which they succeeded with. Tbh if this is the case can't we just accept that Ross Ulbricht isn't a perfect libertarian example? It doesn't change the fact that black and grey markets are inherently moral and that he was hunted down because of the website and not because of the hits.
@@cherrytofu8939 As far as I can tell, the hits literally don't exist; they never happened.
Crypto is bleeding them out
so continue to flip crypto without reporting taxes got it chief
Bitcoin can easily be tracked, I recommend you guys switch to Monero as much as possible, actually stop using bitcoin at all whenever possible.
Lightning fixes this
Vote against the state!! Vote Dr Jo Jorgensen! Libertarian Party! 2020
Dont vote, plant your own tomatoes instead
@ShimmerySound I got Bitcoin/crypto that takes power away from the US dollar, gold n cash in case, food growing n running around, spread anarchy, but I can vote for the best option that brings us closer to freedom, I’m a Geo mutualism so Libertarian are a little to right for me but less tax, free market, gun, drugs, sex work, regulation, etc, lessen government every election, I would like to see a hard push for reform, grow the 2nd agro economy and have to use very little revolutionary means
This seems to ignore the insights of MMT analysis. At the federal level, a fiat currency like the US dollar is inherently a creature of the state. Federal taxation does not collect money to spend, it destroys money it created.
Where do I learn more about that?
@@bradvincent2586 Randall Wray is MMT person who I've heard talk the most about the origins of money, dispelling the common myths around it.
@@bradvincent2586 I really like Warren Mosler for the basics of how modern money works. Stephanie Kelton is great for understanding its relationship to US politics and the so-called national debt/deficit.
This is pretty old. But in case you’re wondering, agorists know this. The use of fiat currency only works when you can tax money out of circulation, so the printed money doesn’t outpace real resources. So if you’re not collecting taxes, but you’re printing money, that causes inflation. Too much inflation, the dollar crashes, and now people don’t use your fiat. Further hurting the state.
Hadn't Ross also attempted to have multiple people assassinated?
No. Why do you ask?
@@artemiasalina1860 I heard he tried to have too people assassinated by the 8-1
@@inzanity6624 I ask because your question is a meme at this point. Anyway, he was never charged with anything like that and the supreme court rejected the notion with prejudice. On the other hand two of the FBI agents investigating Ulbricht were convicted of corruption when they were caught using their hacked access to the website to steal millions of dollars from the users.
All Ulbricht was ever charged with was running an illegal website.
That was an accusation by FBI, but he was never charged on that. Obviously, fabricated accusation.
As far as i know, there was no and still is no evidence to back this claim. It just seems to be a fabricated accusation by the FBI
Too bad that ross ulbricht attempted to hire a hitman for 5 hits, making him a)not victimless and b) not participating in the agorist definition of black market.
Too bad that's not true
This video should be done again. Too many errors.
Can you show some of them?