The Essentials of Agorism // (Briefly Explained)

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  • čas přidán 31. 01. 2020
  • Agorism, created by Samuel Konkin, is perhaps one of the most interesting, thought-provoking, and nuanced forms of modern anarchist theories. It is perhaps so logically consistent in it's essential principles that it's own consistency can even become a hindrance. Nonetheless it is greatly respected among the wider anarchist community from the ultra-socialists to the ultra-capitalists and attempts to capture the best of each into not just a theory, but an entire practice.
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Komentáře • 138

  • @CeaddaOfMercia
    @CeaddaOfMercia  Před 4 lety +66

    Okay so the audio graph has come out pretty borked and I'm not sure why. If it's too cringy I'll re-do it

    • @iguanarchist
      @iguanarchist Před 4 lety +8

      It's fine. Thanks for making this! For years it's been difficult to understand the difference between ancap and agorism, this is really helped.

    • @artemiasalina1860
      @artemiasalina1860 Před 4 lety +3

      @@iguanarchist Agreed on all points.

    • @rianmacdonald9454
      @rianmacdonald9454 Před 3 lety +2

      if you are referring to the white graph at the bottom, i actually liked it, it was a good touch.

  • @htownguy7240
    @htownguy7240 Před 4 lety +212

    I make my entire livelihood practicing countereconomics by selling fruit at farmers markets

    • @CeaddaOfMercia
      @CeaddaOfMercia  Před 4 lety +96

      Chad

    • @anindividual4916
      @anindividual4916 Před 4 lety +5

      I sure hope they don't go cashless things will be so much harder for you guys.

    • @BasicallyBanal
      @BasicallyBanal Před 4 lety +9

      @@anindividual4916 we will make due. Innovation is our strength.

    • @shcottgoggle
      @shcottgoggle Před 4 lety +9

      @@anindividual4916 could start accepting crypto

    • @kodyballard49
      @kodyballard49 Před 3 lety +7

      @@shcottgoggle and precious metals

  • @jacbug-7349
    @jacbug-7349 Před 4 lety +181

    Lmao this is the most libertarian philosophy I’ve hear. Encourage tax evasion and don’t vote, I love it

    • @theparadigm8149
      @theparadigm8149 Před rokem

      Yeah, and it’s interesting how agorists are opposed to capitalism, but see it as a necessary evil in order to shift to a sort of market socialism

    • @antyrak7905
      @antyrak7905 Před rokem +3

      ​@@theparadigm8149 not necessarily opposed to capitalism as a free exchange of goods and services. Capitalism is more widely understood in the agorist circles as the white, corporate regulated market.

    • @theparadigm8149
      @theparadigm8149 Před rokem +1

      @@antyrak7905
      Yeah, that’s a good way of putting it! 👍
      Agorists are opposed to the contemporary conception of capitalism that involves big money in politics and regulations of the black market, but they favor a classical liberal conception of capitalism. Just as there are post-left anarchists, agorists can be seen as post-right anarchists

    • @calysagora3615
      @calysagora3615 Před 5 měsíci +2

      @@theparadigm8149 No, Konkin only noted that the term "capitalism" is abused and used as a derogative term, and the synonymous phrase "free market" is preferred simply to avoid the negative connotation in the minds of the ignorant masses.
      Socialism is the last thing Konkin and fellow agorists support.

    • @calysagora3615
      @calysagora3615 Před 5 měsíci

      @@antyrak7905 perhaps some agorists. Hardly all. Capitalism per definition is unregulated and unaffiliated to government and their corporations. Most people unfortunately don't understand the definition of capitalism, because they don't understand the difference between being corporately owned and being a corporation. It's as if they thought being social means being a socialist. One is voluntary and decentralized, the other is compulsory and centralized. A corporate regulated market is a statist oligarchy. Cronyism or fascism, basically the opposite of capitalism.

  • @arthasmenethil2201
    @arthasmenethil2201 Před 3 lety +15

    The "Left" on Left Libertarian that Konkin proposed has a completely different meaning.

  • @LucasBarbosa-qh5ke
    @LucasBarbosa-qh5ke Před 4 lety +41

    Congratulations on making me laugh hysterically within the first minute. Looks like I'll be watching more of your videos!

  • @ernestorodriguez456
    @ernestorodriguez456 Před 4 lety +18

    I’m a conservative but this might be the best way to get rid of all the gov. Only problem is you got to convince the majority to drain the tax funding

    • @NoName-ui1nb
      @NoName-ui1nb Před 4 lety +4

      Then you're on our team m8!
      Welcome!

    • @-whackd
      @-whackd Před 2 lety +3

      Once people get used to using crypto, you don't need to convince them about avoiding taxes. They get motivated themselves!

    • @awediomusic2137
      @awediomusic2137 Před 2 lety

      Best way to do this is lead by example. Live a life free from debt, and the associated necessary high income. Find ways to invest in your own self-reliance, eg. buy a solar setup to power your home, grow your own food, harvest rainwater etcetera. What income you do need to generate, likely only around £20-30k for your entire household, can be done so in the grey markets. If you and your partner both contribute you only need to generate £15k each. You make more, great, you can be more comfortable. People will be inspired by this.

    • @thelifeofLJ2011
      @thelifeofLJ2011 Před 2 lety +2

      People only convince themselves

    • @d00der41
      @d00der41 Před rokem

      This shit is an absolute pipedream. Nobody is going to strike en masse ever. Too many people living paycheck to paycheck, and the ruling class has enough wealth to stave off the effects of mass strikes. The only type of revolution that has any hope at fixing anything is through direct action - but there are too many bearded, burly, blowhard pussies who care too much about their fake ass manly image and their lifestyle to do anything at all.

  • @drjthornley
    @drjthornley Před 4 lety +13

    You've opened my eyes.

  • @rianmacdonald9454
    @rianmacdonald9454 Před 3 lety +13

    well it seems my idea of how society should be, is basically arogism, without knowing it. thank you for this video really loved this, and now i class myself as an agorism.

  • @Max-nc4zn
    @Max-nc4zn Před 3 lety +5

    Konkin refers to Mises on the difference between capitalists and entrepreneurs, but while Mises and Konkin agree that they are not the same thing, Mises makes it clear that every actor is both at all times and criticises the mistake of thinking the different classes refer to different groups of people.

  • @Bluesonofman
    @Bluesonofman Před 3 lety +10

    I prefer a return to Gold and Silver then using Bit Coin.

    • @fredsanford1437
      @fredsanford1437 Před 3 lety

      A crypto backed by silver/gold would be ideal.
      The notion has been thrown around... but of course the govt would stop it quick 😢

    • @FishWhiskey
      @FishWhiskey Před 10 měsíci

      Except we use gold and silver in electronics so the currency would necessarily deflate.

  • @joewilliam9315
    @joewilliam9315 Před 4 lety +7

    Thanks for the video. I recently started looking into Agorism. As someone probably 5 years from retirement at a Corporate gig, tax evasion doesn't seem like a great option for me though:) Maybe my retirement job can be grey:)

  • @awediomusic2137
    @awediomusic2137 Před 2 lety +2

    Wherein it's possible, having an ownership philosophy in your life will allow you to naturally avoid a huge amount of the state's influence. The typical high time-preference middle class citizen will have thousands in student loans, a car loan, an initially 90% LTV mortgage on their home, they'll be hooked up to the grid for water, gas and power and they'll buy their food from the supermarket. Living a life based on perpetual outgoings rather than owning the things in your life as much as possible incurs added liability to state extortion based on your reliance on an income. Not only will you be taxed via income tax and VAT on goods and services you purchase in order to continue living, you will also be participating in a significant way on the wider monetary system with your salary at the mercy of pillaging monetary monopolists. Simply by making measured decisions in your youth and living frugally throughout your life, you will not become so reliant on these systems to get by. Owning a small home with a small mortgage, or ideally outright, using a cheap solar setup (you can get enough for a family of 4 from a £7k setup) for power, harvesting rainwater like you mentioned, growing all your veg in your back garden and only buying the odd luxuries, and truly living a lifestyle of equity and not debt, the influence of government will be diminished. It's so clear how the co-relationship between the industrial complexes and the state works. Politicians have every incentive to keep their citizenry in debt, generating high incomes to pay off these debts, the banks collecting interest and the state the tax from these processes. If everyone owned cheap second hand cars, small homes in the countryside or little terraces and semis in the suburbs, grew food and generated their own power, the state would be *severely* weakened and would likely not be able to support itself. If you only need £20-30k between you and your partner for your family to live comfortably and with some luxury, and if you can generate this humble income through the grey markets, you're winning. Work in a local shop, sell fresh produce, learn a trade. Never declare to HMRC. Things like council tax may be unavoidable, but these are more minor transgressions on more decentralised scales and do not particularly contribute to the finances of the nation-state. You'll be paying for a new development you don't like, or shitty roads, but at least you won't be funding genocide.

  • @ZkHeat
    @ZkHeat Před 3 lety +6

    You forgot the part where silk road dude payed for a hitman that was just the feds

    • @timothyblazer1749
      @timothyblazer1749 Před 3 lety

      He did not pay for a hitman. That's a lie promoted by the state, and he proved that in court.
      He is literally in prison for nothing. Zero of the accusations held up, and they justified his conviction on tax evasion.
      Agorism is against the red market. No agorist would hire a hit man. As Russ did not.

  • @EliW95
    @EliW95 Před rokem +1

    there is also a pink market, that is essentially red market activity approved by the state

  • @-whackd
    @-whackd Před 2 lety +1

    Could you do a video on Vonu, a philosophy that is an expression of agorism?

  • @articulatemusicpoetry
    @articulatemusicpoetry Před 3 lety +2

    Great video and nice to hear an English voice talking about it! Ignore the negative comments the spoon fed will enjoy being poor

  • @ryu-ss3mh
    @ryu-ss3mh Před 4 lety +6

    Can I have a short explanation on this? I need something to refer to.

    • @fredsanford1437
      @fredsanford1437 Před 3 lety +3

      This was a short explanation and the video gave quite a lot of references for future reading.
      I encourage you to keep learning about this 🤪👍

  • @edgarmartini8516
    @edgarmartini8516 Před 4 lety +3

    Excellent video, however one thing that I found to be unfortunate is the fact that you said that the creator of silk Road got two life sentences for and only for creating the silk road, however that time when he arranged two murders definitely added to the sentence

    • @CeaddaOfMercia
      @CeaddaOfMercia  Před 4 lety +16

      He didn't. It was a fabricated claim which the court dismissed because there was absolutely no evidence. One of the people he was accused of arranging a hit on came out and said it wasn't Ross that did it

    • @edgarmartini8516
      @edgarmartini8516 Před 4 lety +1

      @@CeaddaOfMercia hm, interesting

    • @-whackd
      @-whackd Před 2 lety +3

      #freeross

  • @hisapez7
    @hisapez7 Před rokem

    this is nostalgic for me

  • @user-wq8ww2dg7v
    @user-wq8ww2dg7v Před 9 dny

    I think fellow agorists might do well to use and encourage use of the GoldBack. It has all of the privacy benefits of cash without using the currency of the State and without losing value to inflation.

  • @angarf420
    @angarf420 Před 3 lety +1

    you should do more videos about agorism

  • @strangebeave
    @strangebeave Před 3 lety +4

    Agora Anarchy Action

  • @Nontoxicz
    @Nontoxicz Před 3 lety +6

    What do you think of Rothbards comments on Konkins ideas being “naive”?

    • @CeaddaOfMercia
      @CeaddaOfMercia  Před 3 lety +12

      I think he was right. Agorism has brilliant praxis, but where the principles try to move away from anarcho-capitalism, things start to get sketchy and dogmatic rather than useful or insightful.

    • @Nontoxicz
      @Nontoxicz Před 3 lety

      @@CeaddaOfMercia there’s a good debate between you should watch between Jay Dyer and Robert Taylor on capitalism/communism. Even if you don’t agree with Dyer’s position (Orthodox Reactionary/Theocratic Monarchist) I doubt you’ll walk out of it without learning about an entirely new mode of thinking.

  • @t6amygdala
    @t6amygdala Před 3 lety +2

    I understand what they’re trying to say, but using tools of the state to overthrow it is the only way I could see anarchy occurring.

  • @johnny_veritas
    @johnny_veritas Před 3 lety +1

    As seen with the s1lk r0ad example BTC is a public ledger. Mon 3ro is private.

  • @fredsanford1437
    @fredsanford1437 Před 3 lety +3

    What’s that music at the end of the video?

  • @vaporwavevocap
    @vaporwavevocap Před 4 lety +4

    I agree with much of Agorist theory, but I don't like the distancing away from the term Capitalism, I believe it needs to be reclaimed, personally. At the same time I hate to see the Hoppean-Agorist divide plaguing AnCap circles, they have many good beliefs on both sides even if I don't identify as either fully.

    • @anindividual4916
      @anindividual4916 Před 4 lety

      I think it'd be difficult to reclaim the word as everytime you mention it or triggers regurgitated strawmen. Also hoppe might not be without merit, but I think his cons out weigh the pros. He's a neo fuedalist.

    • @vaporwavevocap
      @vaporwavevocap Před 4 lety +3

      @@anindividual4916 It is not fuedalistic to define how people may or may not use your property.

    • @anindividual4916
      @anindividual4916 Před 4 lety

      @@vaporwavevocap hoppe is a lot more than simple property ethics. czcams.com/video/gOaE39bQWUs/video.html

  • @gorillamunch1966
    @gorillamunch1966 Před 4 lety +7

    Gorilla Munch

  • @Zaptosis
    @Zaptosis Před 3 lety +2

    Okay I think I'm an Agorist, I hate the government. I think I might just live in my car.

  • @sumirunihon
    @sumirunihon Před 2 lety +1

    would people who consentually join the military be considered state capitalists?

  • @timothyblazer1749
    @timothyblazer1749 Před 3 lety +3

    Agorism is a fantastic idea. Konkin's elaboration of it is naive. It needs extension.

  • @EthanNoble
    @EthanNoble Před 3 lety +2

    Check this out www.spaz.org/~dan/individualist-anarchist/software/konkin-interview.html He was close with Murray and described agorist as more rothbardian than rothbard was. Said Rothbard realized this after getting disillusioned with the libertarian party

  • @idrissberchil25
    @idrissberchil25 Před 3 lety +1

    0:09 another video in the future when ?

  • @PeP3DJ
    @PeP3DJ Před 3 lety

    Why you relationated anarchy with the Gadsden´s symbololy?

    • @PeP3DJ
      @PeP3DJ Před 2 lety

      @ShimmerySound Gagdsen was ENSLAVER.

  • @ux3476
    @ux3476 Před 3 lety

    question I've seen some people call Agorism left wing why is that?

  • @charlesbaker3180
    @charlesbaker3180 Před 4 lety +1

    here for my daily dose

  • @stevenmulvay3292
    @stevenmulvay3292 Před 4 lety +2

    I can't see any difference between Anarcho-capitalism and Agorism at all, both reject the state (all the ancaps I know *don't* vote) and both want freed markets. Please enlighten me, I'm genuinely curious. Thanks. :-)

    • @matildahalili8051
      @matildahalili8051 Před 4 lety +2

      Agorism has a class theory that distinguishes entrepreneurs, non-state-capitalists and state-capitalists. It also has a defined set of praxis. Those are the main two.

    • @bradvincent2586
      @bradvincent2586 Před 4 lety +6

      Here’s my understanding: Anarcho-capitalism is a political philosophy that wants a stateless society and private property rights. It has no comment on HOW to get to that point. Agorism is a method of how to get to a stateless society. I am not an expert at all but that seemed to be the main difference to me

    • @timothyblazer1749
      @timothyblazer1749 Před 3 lety

      Agorism as a philosophy is silly. It is a very simple principle, easily expressed.
      Konkin elaborated on it and made it political, much to my chagrin. There is no place in agorism for politics. It is essentially an apolitical idea, and he screwed it up.

    • @-whackd
      @-whackd Před 2 lety

      One is a philosophy you keep in your mind, one is a philosophy of action.
      All agorists are ancaps, but not all ancaps are agorists. For example, an ancap who votes, pays his taxes in full to the Pentagon, eats the food pyramid, saves his money with US treasury bills, and doesn't know how to use Bitcoin, would not qualify as agorist.
      A related philosophy to agorism is Vonu, which is about making oneself invulnerable to government coercion.

  • @omcmillan
    @omcmillan Před 3 lety

    I’m new to politics and libertarianism. Does anyone know any good books about economics? I’m a teenager but I know a little bit hence to why imm a libertarian but I don’t own any books about economics. Please help

    • @CeaddaOfMercia
      @CeaddaOfMercia  Před 3 lety

      If you just google libertarian reading lists you'll get loads of really good results. I'd personally reccomend you start with Road to Serfdom by Friedrich Hayek, or Capitalism and Freedom by Milton Friedman. From there you should be able to decide what areas interest you the most and where to go for them

    • @omcmillan
      @omcmillan Před 3 lety

      @@CeaddaOfMercia thanks so much on replying mate👍🏻 Will defo have a read through. Amazing work you’re doing with the youtube

    • @kingfargelson6545
      @kingfargelson6545 Před 3 lety

      Im late to this but id start off with economics in one lesson then move to anatomy of the state or road to serfdom

    • @Glamerth
      @Glamerth Před rokem

      Read "The Conquest of Bread", which is a great left-libertarianism book

  • @TheTyrellWellick
    @TheTyrellWellick Před 4 lety +4

    Please consider mirroring your channel to LBRY :)

  • @andershh
    @andershh Před 3 lety

    So should I stop stealing from cvs?

  • @LoanwordEggcorn
    @LoanwordEggcorn Před 4 lety +2

    Thanks for a great intro to agorism. Had to LOL at the red market explanation as things the state does every day but says is illegal for you to do. The ultimate hypocrisy, it seems.
    Bitcoin as a link between markets is a great explanation. Narnia springs to mind for some reason.
    Inflation in excess of actual growth is absolutely theft of the wealth of everyone who uses it, at a massive scale, and imperceptible to the frogs being boiled slowly by it. However inflation in the form of increased money supply that accurately captures actual growth in an economy is necessary for a money supply to accurately reflect new value created in the economy. If that doesn't happen then there's deflation as the money becomes overvalued.
    When Bitcoin miners produce a new coin, they are capturing new value from the cost to produce the coin and also the future use of the coin. They are inflating the money supply. They are creating inflation. Yet we don't call that inflation bad because it has a fairly direct relation to the cost and utility of the money.
    Capitalism only has a negative connotation if one accepts and integrates the left's perspective and propaganda against it. One needn't do that.

  • @nicholastracy4915
    @nicholastracy4915 Před 2 lety

    CBDCs are coming and I despise the thought of them.

  • @conangaming2156
    @conangaming2156 Před rokem

    Do agorist think arms dealing is ok?

  • @GumMagnum
    @GumMagnum Před 4 lety +1

    11:40 not long enough tbh. the military industrial complex is a terrible thing

  • @DwAboutItManFr
    @DwAboutItManFr Před 6 měsíci

    Too bad states are pushing state owned digital currencies which make the grey and whit emarkets nigh impossible...

  • @cherrytofu8939
    @cherrytofu8939 Před 4 lety

    Ross Ulbricht did commit actual immoral crimes but that is not what he was sentenced for. He ordered hits be made against enemies of the well being of the silk road, HOWEVER, this could be a setup to keep people from crying out about his sentence as they'll think ''Well he did do these other things''. He wasn't sentenced for that and so you already know innocent until proven guilty.

    • @CeaddaOfMercia
      @CeaddaOfMercia  Před 4 lety +11

      There is no evidence whatsoever to that claim, it can only be taken as a total fabrication in an attempt to further guarantee his sentencing. One of the supposed "victims" of it went public to say Ross never did anything of the sort

    • @cherrytofu8939
      @cherrytofu8939 Před 4 lety +1

      @@CeaddaOfMercia What I thought I knew was that the victims didn't exist and that the characters recieving and performing the hits were a setup by one single scammer to trick money out of Ross, which they succeeded with. Tbh if this is the case can't we just accept that Ross Ulbricht isn't a perfect libertarian example? It doesn't change the fact that black and grey markets are inherently moral and that he was hunted down because of the website and not because of the hits.

    • @jasonterry1959
      @jasonterry1959 Před 4 lety +1

      @@cherrytofu8939 As far as I can tell, the hits literally don't exist; they never happened.

  • @kafeconarte6960
    @kafeconarte6960 Před 3 lety

    Crypto is bleeding them out

  • @DarkDragon1223
    @DarkDragon1223 Před 3 lety

    so continue to flip crypto without reporting taxes got it chief

  • @Zaptosis
    @Zaptosis Před 3 lety +2

    Bitcoin can easily be tracked, I recommend you guys switch to Monero as much as possible, actually stop using bitcoin at all whenever possible.

    • @TomB09
      @TomB09 Před 3 lety

      Lightning fixes this

  • @occonnerwilderness8923
    @occonnerwilderness8923 Před 4 lety +2

    Vote against the state!! Vote Dr Jo Jorgensen! Libertarian Party! 2020

    • @Deleus93
      @Deleus93 Před 3 lety +6

      Dont vote, plant your own tomatoes instead

    • @occonnerwilderness8923
      @occonnerwilderness8923 Před 2 lety +1

      @ShimmerySound I got Bitcoin/crypto that takes power away from the US dollar, gold n cash in case, food growing n running around, spread anarchy, but I can vote for the best option that brings us closer to freedom, I’m a Geo mutualism so Libertarian are a little to right for me but less tax, free market, gun, drugs, sex work, regulation, etc, lessen government every election, I would like to see a hard push for reform, grow the 2nd agro economy and have to use very little revolutionary means

  • @jadamgreen
    @jadamgreen Před 4 lety

    This seems to ignore the insights of MMT analysis. At the federal level, a fiat currency like the US dollar is inherently a creature of the state. Federal taxation does not collect money to spend, it destroys money it created.

    • @bradvincent2586
      @bradvincent2586 Před 4 lety

      Where do I learn more about that?

    • @jadamgreen
      @jadamgreen Před 4 lety

      @@bradvincent2586 Randall Wray is MMT person who I've heard talk the most about the origins of money, dispelling the common myths around it.

    • @jadamgreen
      @jadamgreen Před 4 lety

      @@bradvincent2586 I really like Warren Mosler for the basics of how modern money works. Stephanie Kelton is great for understanding its relationship to US politics and the so-called national debt/deficit.

    • @calvinfuller5293
      @calvinfuller5293 Před 3 lety

      This is pretty old. But in case you’re wondering, agorists know this. The use of fiat currency only works when you can tax money out of circulation, so the printed money doesn’t outpace real resources. So if you’re not collecting taxes, but you’re printing money, that causes inflation. Too much inflation, the dollar crashes, and now people don’t use your fiat. Further hurting the state.

  • @inzanity6624
    @inzanity6624 Před 4 lety

    Hadn't Ross also attempted to have multiple people assassinated?

    • @artemiasalina1860
      @artemiasalina1860 Před 4 lety +2

      No. Why do you ask?

    • @inzanity6624
      @inzanity6624 Před 4 lety

      @@artemiasalina1860 I heard he tried to have too people assassinated by the 8-1

    • @artemiasalina1860
      @artemiasalina1860 Před 4 lety +3

      @@inzanity6624 I ask because your question is a meme at this point. Anyway, he was never charged with anything like that and the supreme court rejected the notion with prejudice. On the other hand two of the FBI agents investigating Ulbricht were convicted of corruption when they were caught using their hacked access to the website to steal millions of dollars from the users.
      All Ulbricht was ever charged with was running an illegal website.

    • @iguanarchist
      @iguanarchist Před 4 lety +8

      That was an accusation by FBI, but he was never charged on that. Obviously, fabricated accusation.

    • @Josiah04
      @Josiah04 Před 4 lety +1

      As far as i know, there was no and still is no evidence to back this claim. It just seems to be a fabricated accusation by the FBI

  • @lanpartylandlord6123
    @lanpartylandlord6123 Před 4 lety +1

    Too bad that ross ulbricht attempted to hire a hitman for 5 hits, making him a)not victimless and b) not participating in the agorist definition of black market.

  • @sebastianortiz8072
    @sebastianortiz8072 Před 4 lety +2

    This video should be done again. Too many errors.