This Can Make Or Break Your Success Bass Fishing Offshore
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With out a doubt the most educational Bass Fishing channel on CZcams! Thanks Johnny for all the info and incredible hard work!
The detailed work you do is really great. One of the best fishing channels out there.
I totally agree with you. Here the Barramundi can hear the electric at least 60feet away. You can see the change in their behaviour.
Hey Andy, love your channel!
Our deer here in the backyard are the same way. They won't spook if you just keep walking but as soon as you stop they bounce. They can even tell when you are looking at them
There is a lot of food for thought in this video. Thanks Jonny.
Doug hannon would be proud of you. Your like the offshore bass professor. I rarely fish with my electronics i do have except for depth and temp and i wackem shallow and deep. I couldn't imagine if i had your knowledge and radars. Thanks johnny for the awesome content, God Bless and tight lines.
Thank you Jonny, I agree you truly are the “Bass Professor” of advanced facts and data. Yes thank you for all you put into your teaching videos. Love the offshore stuff! When you were discussing constant noise versus motor noise change, and distance, and how diving baits may be difficult to use over 100 feet, I thought about trolling. I first thought of this too the other day when you were teaching about fishing flats. If I find potential places like this that are feasible to troll, I might give it a try again. That is if I can find my dusty trolling rods and get them serviced lol. Thank you again you are the top of the line!
lol Jonny. Love this kind of analysis. Right or wrong, there is no one else giving us this kind of content to contemplate. Thank you.
This is a totally epic video man!
If you happen to see this, I urge you to go look at the study from Ken Smith fishing did with the Texas Parks and wildlife with tracking giant bass very interesting
That study confirms what this video points out.
@@bobbarnhill8557 yes sir
Your video also confirmed my notion that livescope spooks fish. We fish offshore in Southern Utah. My buddy that has livescope would come by my spot to fish along side me and kill the bite every time. This happened multiple times before I finally realized what was happening. My other friends could come along side and have no effect. The livescope also affected his fish count. You have got to love fishing. I learn something new every time I’m on the water.
Very interested to hear more of your research/results in the future. I 100% agree with your assumptions. I try to use my spot lock as little as possible and stay as far away as possible but still effectively fish a spot. I also don't drive over spots I want to fish. If I scout a good spot I usually try to come back 15-20 minutes after graphing so I found your comments on that topic super interesting!
really like the information, and can you do a video on showing the boat position and explain the process of figuring out the best angle for each scenario?
Very cool. Hope to see more info like this.
very sensible logic mate. Thanks for the breakdown
Thank you. I believe your analysis is spot on! Wild creatures react similarly. Makes perfect sense to conclude water creatures can get spooked. They didn’t survive this long not utilizing their instincts.
Deep man deep!! Great video!!
Your current sample size may be small but your methodology is solid given the number of variables you have to deal with ... you would have made a great astro physicist!. I always turn my console sonars off once I start fishing and use my trolling motor as little as possible and on the lowest setting
Thanks bud great video
Hardest thing for a kayak fisherman is to actually sit still on the offshore structure to fish it 😂. Thank you for all your help over the years!
That's why there are guys with kayaks that cost more than a bass boat...so they can spotlock and livescope the fish! haha
That’s the truth! I have a 2 anchor system but most of the time I’m too lazy to use it haha. Thinking about adding live scope in the next year to target those suspended fish.
I’ve been working on an offshore kayak rig for videos. I was going to put a 2 anchor system but it sounds like it may be more hassle than it’s worth. Would you recommend getting one with a trolling motor or do you think a pedal drive would still work with the right anchor system?
Defiantly a trolling motor with spot lock. The pedals are great until you hook a bass then you’re off your spot at best and overtop of your spot at worst. The 2 anchor system is good but the problem is running from spot to spot constantly placing and picking up anchors. It’s works just a lot of effort. The new old town predator comes with a spot lock trolling motor. You should email them I know they were giving them away (or giving huge discounts) to big CZcams’s who did a review.
Yeah, I was so set against a trolling motor on my yak. Now I know that to be competitive, I need a trolling motor and a better fishfinder that has side imaging with gps and maps. That would allow me to be a lot more competitive. I agree with others on anchoring...it is a hassle. Plus, takes up valuable space in the yak. I have tried using drift socks to help with wind and it is the same thing....trolling motor makes it way easier. Plus, allows you to cover more water. Pedaling is better than paddling though. If there is any wind, you will likely spend more time paddling than casting. A trolling motor will allow you to make more casts. Again...the trolling motor will be the biggest factor for putting more fish in the boat.
I search and fish for offshore freshwater Stripers with a Livescope. I search for schools at 120 feet and then cast a float with a spinning rod to where I need the boat to be within 60 feet of the school . I aim the boat at the float and try to pulse the trolling motor to drift to that spot while turning and lowering the range of the livescope to get resolution. The goal is to get the boat to the float on the drift with no spot lock to the float. Stripers actually sometimes are attracted to Variations in noise. Heard of "thumping" stripers? Great work on the science ...
Nice info
That was VERY informative thanks for the help now i know what is happening when I find a school
This is an interesting theory.
I've noticed sometimes when I use a violent stop and go with a whopper plopper it will call fish from deeper water and sometimes it will cause an unactive fish to bite. Do u think with the spot lock trolling motor, instead of running fish off it'll bring them in too close to check out what all that noise is? Either way they'll probably be too interested in the trolling motor and boat to react to a lure swimming by their face. The last thing that'll probably come to our mind after seeing an alien space ship is to grab a burger right?😂
Seems that you are catching the more aggressive fish first! The ones that are not bothered by the noise and then on your second pass, by sitting further away you get the more finicky bass to bite. To me it sounds like an awesome 1-2 punch. Up close you are might be able to catch the more aggressive bass with jerkbaits and cranks, then leave them alone for a bit and come back and catch a few more with jigs or other lures sitting further back. I do a similar approach in my home lake. Great stuff Johnny!
I actually didn’t think about it that way! I’ve recently been starting far away and then moving in, but I think you may be right with your strategy. I guess I need to do more testing!
Interesting. I wonder if it has more to do with a active feeding time? The ultrex does have slow start up on motor unlike trolling motors in the past that had instant power. Love the new bass tank boat image with you in it. 🤣
I try to be as quiet as possible when bass fishing, whether it be shallow or off shore. I slowly lower a 20# Navy style anchor whenever I want to fish a particular spot thoroughly. Also, abrupt low frequency sounds, such as slamming a boat compartment door will spook bass. Most people don’t realize just how smart bass are, especially the big ones.
Good video
Great video. Im curious about sun angle and boat shadow effect at 50 ft vs 100ft in this research. The data to me seems spot on. A sample of 30 lakes or spots along with sunny day verses cloudy and high pressure days would be awesome to explore with your theory. Awesome video and awesome research. The scientific approach is the way to go. Great job Johnny
That’s a great idea!! I’ll add that to my list of experiments.
Good content. One thing my buddy and i have discussed several times is if the range on M360 and your waypoint are the same. Seems that the structure is normally closer than what you think it is. This of course refers to when you are in deeper water. Say over 10ft. Maybe do a video on that?.
your the best
Interesting theory.
Really great idea for a video and you presented the facts & data very well. Maybe Jonny, you or someone else can help answer a question that popped in my head while watching. If the constant “on/off” of the spot lock or trolling motor in general while being closer to the fish were causing the difference in fish behavior offshore, then wouldn’t it be doing the same thing while fishing shoreline cove? A lot of anglers that pick apart cover pitching and flipping are constantly on & off the pedal and at much closer ranges than 30-40 feet. Could it be as simple as the enormous amount of pressure the offshore bass get compared to 10 years ago? Maybe I try to over simplify things but often times in fishing, we over complicate things too. Any input welcomed. Thanks Jonny, again, a fantastic video presented flawlessly.
Great
They become wise to the noise I feel,
Also, maybe the transducer has an affect on the fish as well. Have you ever noticed that when you take your boat out of water with your units connected to the transducer, it makes a static like sound. Could maybe put an affect on the fish when you are closer to them.
If you are downwind spot lock is pretty steady and smooth. If cross wind or wind to back spotlock makes all kinds of noise. With no wind or very little spotlock goes crazy for some reason
Makes sense
Great info, looks like those smallies might be onto me at sixty feet.
First, thanks for an informative video.
I have a Hobie pro angler 14 Kayak with pedal drive. Any ideas on how the pedal drive affects fish as you approach them. I also have an option on my Hobie Pro Angler Kayak to utilize a trolling motor if desired. Maybe, I could use the trolling motor until within 100 ft then switch to pedal mode????? Watching your video made me think about this.
I used to fish with a guy who had a family member that was one of the original bass masters. His family member actually taught him about trolling motor noise. But not just trolling motor noise, any noise that can transfer into the water. Talking bounces off the surface of the surface of the water, so no problem; however, opening and closing rod locker doors does not bounce off the surface because the boat itself is below the surface. That vibration travels through the water. My point being, this has been around a long time; call it one of the pros secrets. I noticed people and yourself calling it theory, not to me.
Before all this high tech stuff came out, marker buoys and an anchor were the deal. I got way more fish that way than I do now. I have started going back to this method, too soon to really judge the difference. Simply mark the structure as you drive over it, drop the buoy as it appears on your screen and drop others around the edges , park a long cast away and see what happens. On the plus side, boat control is no longer an issue as you are pretty much locked in place.
Good analysis. I have a question on the spot lock issue. If you’re trying to fish a spot in the wind and try not to use spot lock aren’t you still going to have to keep repositioning with the foot control to stay on the spot? In essence creating the same amount of noise just doing it manually instead of using spot lock.
Try this same thing but this time start with the 100ft distance and the 2nd pass at 50ft.
Cant wait to see the results but I would assume you catch more on the first pass
You would post this video the day after I bought a spot lock trolling motor. Lol
I still have a need for it
Everybody is out there beating them up. I catch fish very close to the boat fishing shallow on and off the trolling motor. I do appreciate you guys getting off the shallow fish though. Shallow bite is so much better now
Does having a Hydrowave running on constant disguise the trolling motor, since it is also putting out vibration into the water? Thanks for the great info.
Interesting observation, i think you're on to something.
What would you say the best conditions to chase the schooling baitfish with livescope is?
Maybe I have the wrong tackle but I can't get a 40 yard cast on a 1/4oz shakey head on my Spinning combos best I can do is like 30-33 yards. Which is almost 100ft.
I use a 7’4” medium action rod and a 3000 size spinning reel with a big spool. That should help you get the extra distance.
Do you think something like a hydrowave could mitigate or dampen the abrupt noise changes that spook the bass? Say maybe if you leave it on all on the time and the trolling motor is switching on/off for the angler to hold course maybe the overall sound this would create for.the bass isn't as spooky? Kind of like a noise machine we use for the kids to sleep so they can't hear the neighbor screaming.
I don’t have a spot lock either and another thing that will scare fish is the pinging from your transducer
What are the “fish looking” dots that are always on live scope that seem to be elevating to the right of depth numbers? Debris? Feedback?
Obviously noise is a deterrant...seems like results on off shore tournaments (Lake Fork fir example) where records are done with live scope this year would suggest otherwise, no?
Did u regraph over them on second pass after the 45 min?
Yes. Sorry I should have mentioned that.
I love how you guys are trying to learn how to use all your fancy gear. Think I'll just keep catching them the way Pop's taught me. Good luck!
What are the effects on vertical fishing spooning or dropshotting, is there a depth that the fish aren’t as spooked?
I don’t vertical jig anymore now that I have Livescope because I’ve noticed I catch more bass when my boat is 30-40ft away from the fish than straight above them. My old rule of thumb was that the fish needed to be at least 30ft deep to fish vertically on them. I’ve even started staying 80-100ft away from fish I used to fish vertically and I’ve had even better results. I’ve been using a hair jig and swimbait for this.
Given the longer distance, are you using braid with a fluorocarbon leader to improve your chances of detecting a bite?
I haven’t had any issues with straight fluorocarbon, but it’s not a bad idea!
Hey I know that spot at 3:12-3:20. Caught 2 dinks off those trees..
Can you do the rings with Garmin?
The Garmins show a distance measurement on the bottom right hand corner. No need for a ring.
I have a Garmin 73sv and I'm unable to find range ring setting. Do they not have this setting?? Thanks
I can’t find them on my 1022XSV either. I’m not sure if Garmin even has them
@@FishtheMoment thanks for the reply. Guess I’ll stick with marker buoy’s for now.
Do Garmin graphs have range rings?
I haven’t been able to find them on mine (GPSMAP 1022XSV) but they may have added them to newer models
No, but you can use the angle markers feature like casting rings. It’s like spokes in a wheel or like a compass rose. You set the distance just like casting rings on the Humminbird. It’s in the setup menu under My Vessel.
The Garmins have a range marker in the bottom right hand corner that shows what your distance is.
Please switch and do the first pass at 100 then 50 for the second pass.
I know this as a BFL Co angler.
I Burns me up to have a boater sitting 10 feet from the fish!
But I don't say anything.
I'll fish against him one day soon!
Good thinking!
Get a Garmin Force TM. Most silent TM on the market! This has been tested.
More people have taken up fishing over the past couple years. I wonder if this has some contribution to it all, especially if more anglers are also fishing, offshore, as well. Any signs of that happening?
I do see more boats offshore than in the past. I may try to measure the increase in fishing pressure by the number of anglers entered into local tournaments. It’s not perfect, but it may get us going in the right direction
Imagine if there was some sort of device that could anchor your boat to a single location that makes a one time noise and doesn't involve a bunch of technology and electronics.
😂 patented Fish the Moment 20lb anchor mount coming soon
@@FishtheMoment time to challenge the establishment, I say we all start putting electric winch fluke anchors off the front of our bass boats LOL
Btw, quick question. When fishing tidal waters do you find it important to setup either above or below a spot in order to swim your lure the same direction as the tide, against it, or do you find it doesn't matter?
I’ve only fished tidal water once, so I don’t have a good answer unfortunately.
The last time I fished tidal waters I had to walk to shore. 😉
I'd say driving over the top of the fish isnt helping either. I find structure and drop LS and troll up slow. I know its slower and might not work under a time limit in a tournament but it works good not to spook the fish. and you need to turn your gain down on your Live Scope. lol