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Brother Adnan, Salam Alekom akhi. We thank you for uploading this informative and direct discussion with Josh, your work & effort is appreciated for sure. I am very interested in your discussions so kindly if you have time upload more debates .. people like me from the gulf region are so curious in such topics and I am learning alot. My sincere regards is sent to you and all the brothers doing Dawaa in the UK, salam from Kuwait.
After watching this to the end, I can only think of two aayaat of the Qur'an: There is no compulsion in Faith. The correct way has become distinct from the erroneous. (2:256) AND And say, "Truth has come and falsehood has vanished. Falsehood is surely bound to vanish." (17:81)
Josh is a ride or die Christian lol. He will basically admit to everything wrong in Christianity, but never admit Christianity is wrong. Sad, because he seems like a very intelligent person, but as always.. Nobody can guide somebody, that Allah has not guided.
A simple thing that christians don't understand. If someone is god he should directly say he is god and worship him and there is no one else like him. Christianity came to this belief after so many duscussions and meetings. I mean open your eyes.
Mashallah brother adan may allah guide bless n give you mercy love how u spreading the truth of Allah Almighty n giving dawa love from the U.S my brother n love your reasonable debate giving unbelievers wisdom of their own history
Monotheism (the message of Jesus and Moses) was a big treat to romans and their belief (polytheism). Romans invented and enforced trinity (polytheism) on all monotheists because trinity was more appealing and similar to the belief of Romans. Romans destroyed all monotheists (Christians) who did not accept trinity.
This is an old Video but my brother Adnan is Grand in Speakers Corner... see we as muslim can only argue with Facts and not assumptoins, everyone can argue about what they believe in, bring Facts in and dismantle them peacefully. May Allah guide us on our journey and Keep us away from confussions.
Could you imagine witnessing what the Church Fathers were doing in those first few hundred centuries trying to figure out the 'trinity'. As a Muslim you walk in to one of those councils and say, "Hey guys, God is One". "Blasphemy"!!!!! "Kill him" !!! "Ok, where were we, oh yes, we were just about to introduce this Holy Ghost into the equation......and done......trinity".
What's amazing is I never knew Christians believed Jesus was God...why ate they so confused when history tells us that it's been changed in the bible. Clearly Jesus prayed to God and we should do the same
Mashallah , josh is very intelligent, but iv never seen anyone taking him down like this , the way adnan did m.a You can tell whose the knowledgable one in this particular topic
please Adnan this is a old video. do you have any from this year. and if not are you planning on more new videos of your debate in speakers corner ?. keep it going love this channel
Heavyweights? No way. This Josh gentleman is not even a sophomore. His knowledge of the subject is so poor he is lying that he has formal education. But he is very good at looking for the opponents' hypocrisy in order to make him look inferior, yet Adnan is way too superior to even equate these two as "heavyweights".
that woman was so ignorant akhi she was like a little churchill dog just nodding the head and agreeing ohh yes yes yes lol. typical anytime someone has a debate theres always someone there like her or him in some cases.
Lol I agree with you but I noticed something funny in your comment: " *ANYTIME* someone has a debate theres *ALWAYS* someone there like her or him *IN SOME CASES.* "
At 7:35 you claimed that some Christians believe that Mary (PBUH) can hear all of them across the world while preying, and by that give her indirectly God's attributes, right? But don't we also have something like that in Islam as well? I have heard that our Prophet Muhammad (SAW) can hear us if we recite Salāt ‘alā al-Nabī in Friday.
First of all, we don't pray to to the prophet s.a.w.s. because that would be shirk...maybe you mean that when we send our blessings and salams to him by saying s.a.w.s. that he can hear us but that is also not true....our prophet s.a.w.s. can not hear our voices but when we say s.a.w.s. then with Allah's s.w.t. permission, the blessings and salams will be conveyed to him by angels.... brother, be careful not to fall into shirk like the christians did and do
Of course, of course, I never believed that our prophet (SAW) can hear us by his own. It's really clear that all of this is duo to Allah's permission and will. Even as a kid this was very clear. I am just pointing out that the argument Adnan used there was not a valid argument because the christians can also claim that Mary (PBUH) can hear them preying by Jesus's permission and will. Please understand that I am not justifying the christians of how they prey to Mary (PBUH) or how they use her as an intermediate.
And I absolutely forgot angels were involved as well. Yes, it makes much more sense that the angels are the ones that will convey our blessings and salams.
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided. Quran chapter16 verse 125.
"Tertullian's trinity [is] not a triune God, but rather a triad or group of three, with God as the founding member" "History of Trinitarian Doctrines". The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Stanford University.
Its hard to understand why people who are truly not very educated in a subject pretend they are. This issue exists in Christians and Muslims both. Somehow there is a trend of people pretending and badly needing to be educated in theology. Its truly strange. Josh is a kindergarten child opposite Adnan Rashid. Watching the video i thought this Christian guy is a decent guy, but of course as many do he proved himself a hypocrite, liar, and absolutely intellectually dishonest.
This video nicely illustrates a fundamental difference between Muslims and Christians. We come across an ex-Christian, we feel sorry for the guy, we pray for him, try to help him any way we can, he's just a lost sheep, not enemy, the last thing we'd do is publicly mock the guy, try to shame him, let alone cut his legs off or kill him or whatever Muslims do to apostates. Know why? Because ours is a religion of tolerance, we don't feel threatened by a disbeliever and we don't subscribe to that barbaric Old Testament stuff of revenge and violence, our religion is about mercy. What's yours about?
Brother Adnan, first i love you in Allah, second and knowing it's just a mistake from you because i'm sure you already know this, Muhammad ﷺ didn't go to the 7 heavens but the the 7 skies at ~ 1:30
I guess it has to be admitted, us Christians, we believe in 3 Gods: nr. 1 is God, the real God, the guy Abduls call Allah, supposedly. Nr. 2 is Jesus, Allah's firstborn, God in-waiting, so to speak, but with full powers, can do anything Allah can do. Nr. 3: The Holy Spirit, the mysterious third guy no one knows much about, we just know that he exists and that he too has equal powers to Allah. Now, the obvious question is, who out of those three created the universe, the answer is, it's a mystery, Allah knows best.
Hey fellow Christians got a new name for your religion it’s called trinianity and the followers of triniianity ( Christianity) are trinitians ( Christians ) ( the followers of the trinity pagan cult ) Trinianity emerged from the ashes of ancient Egyptian paganism as well as Persian Greco Roman paganistic beliefs trinitians need to understand that there pagan doctrine of the trinity is nothing new and was practiced way longer ago too.
Adnan, May Allah preserve you ahki. Ameen
Very high level. Br Adnan always on point with his references. Mashallah
Brother Adnan, Salam Alekom akhi. We thank you for uploading this informative and direct discussion with Josh, your work & effort is appreciated for sure.
I am very interested in your discussions so kindly if you have time upload more debates .. people like me from the gulf region are so curious in such topics and I am learning alot.
My sincere regards is sent to you and all the brothers doing Dawaa in the UK, salam from Kuwait.
After watching this to the end, I can only think of two aayaat of the Qur'an:
There is no compulsion in Faith. The correct way has become distinct from the erroneous. (2:256)
AND
And say, "Truth has come and falsehood has vanished. Falsehood is surely bound to vanish." (17:81)
Josh is a ride or die Christian lol. He will basically admit to everything wrong in Christianity, but never admit Christianity is wrong. Sad, because he seems like a very intelligent person, but as always.. Nobody can guide somebody, that Allah has not guided.
A simple thing that christians don't understand. If someone is god he should directly say he is god and worship him and there is no one else like him. Christianity came to this belief after so many duscussions and meetings. I mean open your eyes.
Mashallah brother adan may allah guide bless n give you mercy love how u spreading the truth of Allah Almighty n giving dawa love from the U.S my brother n love your reasonable debate giving unbelievers wisdom of their own history
Masha Allah excellent knowledge Adanan bai showing none Muslims the right path
I pray that Allah changes Richard’s heart and become a Muslim.
Genuine guy. 👍
GOD is NOT the master of confusion but church fathers were so as their followers now.
Monotheism (the message of Jesus and Moses) was a big treat to romans and their belief (polytheism). Romans invented and enforced trinity (polytheism) on all monotheists because trinity was more appealing and similar to the belief of Romans. Romans destroyed all monotheists (Christians) who did not accept trinity.
This is an old Video but my brother Adnan is Grand in Speakers Corner... see we as muslim can only argue with Facts and not assumptoins, everyone can argue about what they believe in, bring Facts in and dismantle them peacefully. May Allah guide us on our journey and Keep us away from confussions.
I'm a big fan a your son
Could you imagine witnessing what the Church Fathers were doing in those first few hundred centuries trying to figure out the 'trinity'. As a Muslim you walk in to one of those councils and say, "Hey guys, God is One". "Blasphemy"!!!!! "Kill him" !!!
"Ok, where were we, oh yes, we were just about to introduce this Holy Ghost into the equation......and done......trinity".
What's amazing is I never knew Christians believed Jesus was God...why ate they so confused when history tells us that it's been changed in the bible. Clearly Jesus prayed to God and we should do the same
Very nice Adnan
Mashallah , josh is very intelligent, but iv never seen anyone taking him down like this , the way adnan did m.a
You can tell whose the knowledgable one in this particular topic
Great discussion. Round 2 pls :)
Adnan u r great
Josh Josh...trying so hard to make his trinitarian belief authentic.
Love Adnans new haircut
please Adnan this is a old video. do you have any from this year. and if not are you planning on more new videos of your debate in speakers corner ?. keep it going love this channel
Jazakallah Khair bro Adnan
Josh is one confused fellow. Beth is just an ignoramus.
A truly amazing debate of the heavyweights :) - when's Round 2 ? -- next time walk away from the crowd so the Sound Quality is better
Heavyweights? No way. This Josh gentleman is not even a sophomore. His knowledge of the subject is so poor he is lying that he has formal education. But he is very good at looking for the opponents' hypocrisy in order to make him look inferior, yet Adnan is way too superior to even equate these two as "heavyweights".
Salaam bro , for me there was no comparison adnan gets him on nearly every point from what i could hear.
High level debate, josh know the issues but still get it wrong, brother adnan excellent in explain.
i love this black guys patience
Mashallah
Richard the man. May Allah guide him
that woman was so ignorant akhi she was like a little churchill dog just nodding the head and agreeing ohh yes yes yes lol. typical anytime someone has a debate theres always someone there like her or him in some cases.
Lol I agree with you but I noticed something funny in your comment:
" *ANYTIME* someone has a debate theres *ALWAYS* someone there like her or him *IN SOME CASES.* "
At 7:35 you claimed that some Christians believe that Mary (PBUH) can hear all of them across the world while preying, and by that give her indirectly God's attributes, right? But don't we also have something like that in Islam as well? I have heard that our Prophet Muhammad (SAW) can hear us if we recite Salāt ‘alā al-Nabī in Friday.
First of all, we don't pray to to the prophet s.a.w.s. because that would be shirk...maybe you mean that when we send our blessings and salams to him by saying s.a.w.s. that he can hear us but that is also not true....our prophet s.a.w.s. can not hear our voices but when we say s.a.w.s. then with Allah's s.w.t. permission, the blessings and salams will be conveyed to him by angels....
brother, be careful not to fall into shirk like the christians did and do
Adam Sa Actually our Darood are sent to him (PBUH) by the will of Allah
Of course, of course, I never believed that our prophet (SAW) can hear us by his own. It's really clear that all of this is duo to Allah's permission and will. Even as a kid this was very clear.
I am just pointing out that the argument Adnan used there was not a valid argument because the christians can also claim that Mary (PBUH) can hear them preying by Jesus's permission and will. Please understand that I am not justifying the christians of how they prey to Mary (PBUH) or how they use her as an intermediate.
And I absolutely forgot angels were involved as well. Yes, it makes much more sense that the angels are the ones that will convey our blessings and salams.
Adam Sa bruh our beloved prophet can’t hear us it’s the angels that hear us don’t fall into shirk
Josh was losing his temper
I noticed that as well..
Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided. Quran chapter16 verse 125.
The women is properly rude arrogant who needs help this is the reality of none believers...
"Tertullian's trinity [is] not a triune God, but rather a triad or group of three, with God as the founding member"
"History of Trinitarian Doctrines". The Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy. Stanford University.
not confusing at all...
Its hard to understand why people who are truly not very educated in a subject pretend they are. This issue exists in Christians and Muslims both. Somehow there is a trend of people pretending and badly needing to be educated in theology. Its truly strange.
Josh is a kindergarten child opposite Adnan Rashid. Watching the video i thought this Christian guy is a decent guy, but of course as many do he proved himself a hypocrite, liar, and absolutely intellectually dishonest.
Josh is so insincere
This video nicely illustrates a fundamental difference between Muslims and Christians. We come across an ex-Christian, we feel sorry for the guy, we pray for him, try to help him any way we can, he's just a lost sheep, not enemy, the last thing we'd do is publicly mock the guy, try to shame him, let alone cut his legs off or kill him or whatever Muslims do to apostates. Know why? Because ours is a religion of tolerance, we don't feel threatened by a disbeliever and we don't subscribe to that barbaric Old Testament stuff of revenge and violence, our religion is about mercy. What's yours about?
I like this black guy..insha Allah one day Allah give him hidaayah.Ameen
2 heavyweight scholars going at it. The only thing missing is brother Shamsi to make it a circus. Maybe a couple of dancing bears too.
Brother Adnan, first i love you in Allah, second and knowing it's just a mistake from you because i'm sure you already know this, Muhammad ﷺ didn't go to the 7 heavens but the the 7 skies at ~ 1:30
Heaven also means sky, not just Jannah.
kamil skies and heavens are used as synonymous terms. I know what you meant but he meant skies. He was not talking about paradise
heavens can mean skies bro in english, is arabic that makes the distinction between the two.
I guess it has to be admitted, us Christians, we believe in 3 Gods: nr. 1 is God, the real God, the guy Abduls call Allah, supposedly. Nr. 2 is Jesus, Allah's firstborn, God in-waiting, so to speak, but with full powers, can do anything Allah can do. Nr. 3: The Holy Spirit, the mysterious third guy no one knows much about, we just know that he exists and that he too has equal powers to Allah. Now, the obvious question is, who out of those three created the universe, the answer is, it's a mystery, Allah knows best.
Debate of 2? I only hear the bearded guy talking 🙄
Mr. Josh Philosophies everything without giving better evidence to his very weak claims...I believe Mr. Adnan won the debate here, calmly.
Hey fellow Christians got a new name for your religion it’s called trinianity and the followers of triniianity ( Christianity) are trinitians ( Christians ) ( the followers of the trinity pagan cult )
Trinianity emerged from the ashes of ancient Egyptian paganism as well as Persian Greco Roman paganistic beliefs trinitians need to understand that there pagan doctrine of the trinity is nothing new and was practiced way longer ago too.
Tenu punjabi'ch samjhauna pena Adnan bai, eda ni tu kaanu auna
English please so everyone can understand what you are saying.
Tu emhi nah boli ja.
This guy don't know majority and minority different so what's the point talking to him
We are not Trinitarians as you are not Mohammedian