Judo VS Capoeira (Takedown breakdown)
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- čas přidán 28. 04. 2021
- This video discusses the takedowns found in the martial art, Capoeira, and compares to Judo throws in terms of entry, and unbalancing.
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Capoeria is divide in two arts original art Capoeria Angola and Regional Capoeria. The Old movies However depicts, Capoeria cousin called L'Ag'Ya of Martinique and Capoeria Regional showing the technique.
Correct! I got it from Capoeira science, I tried to use other old Capoeira footage, they got a copyright on them. I was left with this one.
There is also another cousin to capoeira in african, angola to be precise
@@charlesghannoumlb2959 , actually Capoeira Angola is Brazilian. There is no African Capoeira.
@@aluisiofsjr capoeira originated in africa trust me and was revelopped by slaves to train without getting caught, im a capoeirista aswell as martial arts scholar
@@charlesghannoumlb2959 , Capoeira has African origins, but there is no original Capoeira in Africa. Many people (even capoeiristas) make this misunderstanding. If there is any Capoeira in the Angola country, it was brought by reverse influx very recently from Brazil. Capoeira Angola is a style from Brazil. ;-)
Finally somebody talks about capoeira’s takedowns
There are freestyle wrestling moves in capoeira also
Like the double leg takedown
Single leg takedown
The ginga is a dynamic stance with power leg forward, power leg backward and neutral stance.
And they serve the same purpose
With setups and such
Thank you
I did Capoeira from high school to college when I was younger. I practiced it at 2 different schools. Every day somebody used a scissor takedown or some variation of it without hurting their partner. The only thing we would have to worry about when performing the scissor takedown is protecting our partner's head from whipping into the floor.
Also, There is also an emphasis with the takedowns of Capoeira to go with the flow as opposed to fighting it as this does not make you lose the "match".
Now I just started a more serious study of Jiu-Jitsu a month ago at a school that is only no-gi and within this first month, a blue belt snapped a black belt's ankle with a poorly timed scissors takedown. This is something I never heard of happening in the 4 yrs of Capoeira.
I am off the opinion that if you want to perform a technique, investigate an art that uses it heavily. If you want learn how to throw an uppercut look at Boxing, if you want to learn how to headbutt look at Lethwei, and if you want learn how to perform a scissors takedown look at Capoeira!
Chad thank you very much for presenting a positive a light on the art of Capoeria . It is true that the art is really rich in history , culture , self defense and combat. It’s really annoying to have CZcams martial artists just throw Capoeira under the bus every single time they make a video.
Thank you for watching
Hi Mr.Chadi!! Love the video!Sorry For being late but I’ve been practicing and studying capoiera and a lot of other martial arts from the African diaspora for almost 5 years now! Personally I really appreciate your fairness in the analysis of capoeira’s takedowns! I think as far as it goes modern capoeira associates more with the game but not as much with its original combative roots, my Mestre and a lot of sources I find show that capoeira before it was legalized was both a game as well as a war dance that used headbutts, punches, knees, kicks, palm strikes, and many wrestling techniques such as takedowns, however as far as modern capoeira I find it interesting that alot of the movements taught now are for coverage, as the crouched low kicks are very similar to what you would see in old school jiujitsu, silat and some forms of gongfu, which would be employed for coverage and spacing on the ground to avoid or enter into wrestling techniques, or to help them protect themselves if they fell over or where in a disadvantaged position, sorry for the long post I just think all of this stuff is SUPER COOL!! Your channel is amazing!! Keep up the good work!!
Thanks for doing a capoeira comparison!
There are more takedowns- boca de calça (hand reap leg), arrastão (double leg), projeção (te guruma). Capoeira Regional supposedly taught a version of kata guruma or ippon seoi nage too.
Vingativa has some variations, and reminds me a bit of sukui nage (positionally).
Thank you for the information
I train bjj but used to do capoeira when I was younger. I have managed getting 2 capoeira takedowns in bjj sparring: the tesoura and the vingativa. They can work pretty well in bjj and it looks dope.
Chadi is a genius. It's very hard to find good Capoeira content. Here we can see the speed that the Capoeira fighters used to move at, and it seems to have been a hard style. And I also like the comparison of Capoeira takedowns to judo takedowns. The two styles have some similarities.
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I forgot how much I love this channel! Thank you Chadi! You are the man!!
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your channel is amazing! greetings from Brazil
Thank you, for this vídeo, and for all your informative and educational content.
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I can say fully the footage in the beginning the art is known as. Damnye I'm a practitioner. It's from martinique. Closely related to capoeira. So its easy to confuse. But look up Damnye and youll see. Thxs
The first technique shown in this video kinda reminds of Tieshankao from Baji style of Wushu. Very interesting video, You never fail to deliver quality content!
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Nice video you are great Chadi 👍go ahead
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Great video!!
Thank you
Been waiting for this one for a while. Capoeira is amazing!
Enjoy
Excellent video. There's some lore that some techniques were adopted and adapted by Mestre Bimba from other styles during his formation of Capoeira Regional. Being in Salvador, a major port city, he was most certainly aware of other cultures' fighting techniques. That and Brazil's long history of luta livre made for an interesting melting pot of fighters of all types. Also, there's an entire style of capoeira that no longer exists that was practiced in Rio around the same time the Gracie's were refining their jiujutsu, that apparently was quite rough and tumble.
I've been fortunate to train a little with Mestre Bimba's son and some of his other students over my years in capoeira. While, people will use the blanket term of Regional to refer to anything that isn't Angola, true Regional sticks to the framework Mestre Bimba set. We used to refer to what we did sometimes as "Capoeira Atual" or "Capoeira Current(ly)"... This sort of creatively evolving capoeira that adhered to the traditions of Regional and Angola but is not purely one or the other. I would argue most groups are this way.
While some influence of other styles was present in the formation of Mestre Bimba’s Capoeira Regional, the majority of takedowns in Regional come from Batuque and other African influences. I’m sure you know that already, but it’s important to highlight it so that we are able to give the credit for capoeira where it’s due (i.e. to Afro Brazilians, Africans, and Brazilians). I say this as a capoeirista specifically under Meste Bimba’s Luta Regional.
Most beautiful fighting technique I have seen.
Great video comparison! I think you my have missed some capoeira throws, I will search for a compilation and send to you.
Thank you Enzo
Awesome video
Thank you
Nice Chadi! I did a little bit of capoeira on university here last year. Friday morning was Angola, afternoon was Regional from Mestre Bimba, wich I liked the most, and at night was my judo class. It was exhaustive hahaha
I'm completely newbie but it was so much fun and their kicks are so powerful. But anyway, to my surprise they have some judo techniques, like ashi harai to sweep the leg while they move (ginga)....my judo sensei said to me that it was not originally on the capoeira canon, but they pick it from judo. I dont know if he means all of the balões or just ashi harai, but the martial arts naturally trade experience here in Salvador.
Awesome thanks for sharing
Some of the Brazilians I train with at my local gracie barra in the UK (I live in a college city), also run the local Capoeira academy. One of them a Brown belt in BJJ also has a background in Lutre Livre, I've rolled with him a few times on every occasion I was a passenger in that experience! Because of the Lutre Livre and Capoeria experience he's particularly dangerous in open rules no gi comps (the ones where they encourage BJJ, Catch wrestlers and sambo guys) to compete in.
Capoeira can add a lot to your game
I'm from Brazil and capoeira was one of the hardest fights I've ever faced, if not the most difficult fight, I practiced it for a few months and really enjoyed it. very fatal
Capoeria is divide in two arts original art Capoeria Angola and Regional Capoeria. The Old movies However depicts, Capoeria cousin called L'Ag'Ya of Martinique and Capoeria Regional showing the technique. Notice the old footages depict L'AgYa that used of foot drum and hand technique of Laamb. Capoeria uses Berimbau, Pandeiro, Agogo and Atabaque (drum).
i actually have to thank capoeira for making me find judo, i used to practise capoeira in a big group with alot of brazilian people, every single one of them also did bjj so i was pulled into bjj (quite literally) very fast, from there i joined an actual bjj school, but since i loved the art of tachi-waza a little bit more i joined judo aswell. i had to quit capoeira however due to some injuries, even tho it may look very safe it kills your knee's and lower back even more so than judo does.
It's a beast of a martial art
I never practiced capoeira, but I'm brazilian and have friends who practice it alongside BJJ and train with me. Capoeira scissors usually don't hurt the knees because they dob't grab the (non-existant) gi and usually comes with inherent disbalance. In BJJ it was forbidden for a long story of injuries.
Yes exactly what i said
@@Chadi That's what I get for typing before watching the video XD
Hey Chadi
Maybe you could do a video on Hidehiko Yoshida.
He was a pure Judoka who started fighting in MMA post his Judo prime and has beaten UFC champion Don Frye and K1 champion Mark Hunt.
He also had 2 very close fight with Wanderlei Silva (who was dominant 205 pound champion and easily best 205 pounder on the planet) and Royce Gracie (where he won 1st but Gracies complained and 2nd was draw per Gracie rules)
I did a video on his rivalry with Royce
that old capoeira game footage at the end and beggining is very interesting never saw that in my years training the art. and it is proving that old capoeira was really more dance-like than nowadays, and also the techniques are more simpler and the ginga is diferent, old style looks even more grounded on outsmarting the oponent with simple kicks slaps and trips.
parecia que os caras estavam bêbados kkkkkkkkk
That is because that was not Capoeira, but a very similar caribean dance/fight called Ag'ya Danmye Ladja.
This is its Jamaican cousin
@@Chadi we can start tracing then an common style that those two originated, maybe a sort of fighting similar to old burmese silat that was a game? or a dance that was used for war training?
@@mat34105 for sure
Here we have a sequence called "Cintura Desprezada" or "Balões do Mestre Bimba" (Master Bimba's Takedowns) that is kinda like an ukemi training for the capoeirista learn how to fall.
czcams.com/video/0sUfZhuiQFs/video.html
That is awesome, I'd never seen that.
I'm pretty sure I remember seeing the Muzenza group was one present at the time of my Baptizado with the Senzala group (that was over a couple decades ago...). Actually... I believe the Master I did my baptism with was from Muzenza. Excellent experience!
@@jeanackle this is a more "traditional" training. Not from the old Capoeira from harbours and streets, but from the Bimba school, the Master who organized Capoeira. Like a brazilian Jigoro Kano.
@@jeanackle Muzenza has some cool championship rules.
@@alexandrelimasantana I knew the name, Mestre Bimba. I'd heard he was at the origins of the Regional Capoeira, and I'd heard some advanced degrees of Capoeira mastery had to go through some training and testing not usually seen in regular Capoeira "rodas".
But I had never seen that traditional Capoeira training, displayed on the video you linked.
I'll try and find some Muzenza footage. Anything you can tell me I should be looking for in particular?
Thanks for the hints!
That's amazing, thanks for the video
Nice Capoeira footage!
So would judo and capoeira be a good mix? Or do people think one should look to BJJ for that?
Here are some videos of the takedowns being used during playing (Capoeira "sparring") if you/anyone is interested: czcams.com/video/VaFY-qzPbqc/video.html&ab_channel=Xplainingcapoeira
and czcams.com/video/vCk5wVYf8mI/video.html&ab_channel=CanalTiagoTintinoCapoeira
The takedowns and "trickery" are by far the most interesting part of Capoeira in my opinion, but also the most overlooked. Thanks for shedding light on it Chadi!
Thank you, let me check
The black and white clips aren't Capoeira it's another art called Danmye or Ladja from the caribbean. Nowadays you can find it in Martinique :)
There's a pinned comment explaining it
Chadi, this old footage is not Capoeira, but a Jamaican dance called Ag'ya Danmye Ladja.
You're right, i got it from capoeira science, everything else was claimed, might reupload
Sorry, not Jamaican but from Martinique.
First video fragment isn’t a capoeira, but some of carribean rudimental precursors of the art. Ladya is akin to brazilian batuque - dancing contest of sweeps, now non existent in Brasil.
Read the pinned comment
@@Chadi so i did, but still think it is not a best illustration for technical analysis of capoeira.
Also, you not provided sound judo counterpart for tesoura de frente, just skipped it to deal with tesoura de costas. I applied it succesfully in hapkido sparring against black belt - for him it was one big revelation (even as hapkido is rich with scissors flavors - flying neck scissors as one example).
In the early times they used to fight capoeira in knives in their hands
Nice combo
Indeed
It would be interesting to see what you could dig up on Karate and Capoeira's lovechild called Taido. There's also the Ancestor of TKD called Taekkyon which is also partly Rythm based like Capoeira.
We used to do that in karate i believe we called it the scissors.Its not functional for the streets
Sacrificing techniques in general i would avoid in the street
Hello chadi, do you live in lebanon, i cant pick up an accent??
France, but yes I'm of Lebanese origins
Theres another kind of vingativa resembles a sweep but is a pull move with the leg this is very unusual move few people outside the capoeira wheel know this
Awesome
Newer facts show that Capoeira comes from Savate, mixed with afro brazilian "malandragem" (trickery behaviour).
Interesting; thanks. Got any links to these facts?
That sounds very interesting. Would you please, share any info on this. Thank you!
@@onerider808 unfortunately, it's only in portuguese
@@onerider808 and Capoeira flourished in port towns, where french sailors used to stop. You see, it's not ONLY Savate, but It had a great influence.
In Rio the portuguese also added the staff (jogo do pau) and the switchblade, and later the straight razor became a symbol of the capoeira from Rio.
Onde posso ler mais sobre isso?
what is the other music? the original guitar instrumental i think
Yuki by Adrian Von Ziegler
@@Chadi thanks man! love the judo vids. keep em coming
@@Chadi and also from this vid. thanks!
czcams.com/video/WBqo6Ab2mks/video.html
もう柔道ではカニバサミは禁止技になりました。
U got to b fit 2 move like that ... notice u never saw 1 chubby player even the seniors
Who do you think can kick higher, a taekwondo practitioner, a capoeria practitioner, or a wushu practitioner? 🤔
Not sure, I'm not a striker
The more dedicated one.
@@digitalg00dtimes58 The best answer.
Another style you might be interested in is Korean Tekkeayon it has very flowing movements as well as high kicks and some grappling.
czcams.com/video/Ga1Im-3ZtH8/video.html
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What belt are you in Judo?
Blue
Wow 😯
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Nothing compares to judo...except ju jitsu, which is judo...which is ju jitsu. This seems likr a cool dance bit, though. If it had any cred, everyone would be using it on MMA (as they are judo, ju jitsu, and Muay Thai). IMO.
Its been used in bloody battles against slave masters. I believe copeira proved itself as a great martial arts.
Capoeira has a rich history as well