Kokichi is Badly Written Pt 2: Celestia Ludenberg & The Liar
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well enjoy part 2 of The Kind Of Video I'll Likely Never Do Again Because This Is The Mental Health Equivalent of Giving Birth to An Oversized Yet Stillborn Baby
note that the quality is poor due to the fact i had to record the file itself from OBS, due to the rendering process continually corrupting itself.
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regarding the audio quality since people will not read descriptions: the quality is poor due to the fact i had to record the file itself from OBS, due to the rendering process continually corrupting itself. the only way to save it was to record it with an external video recording device. mentally, i would've likely tried to hurt myself if i had to remake this video, as i'd already spent far too long on a video i already didn't particularly want to produce.
It's understandable, this was a huge amount of work, and a bit of spotty audio isn't going to ruin the video at the end of the day, IMO!
sorry but the only way for me to understand the video is serious with headphones but i don't have them;-;
Unfortunately, if you make another video following this one, I won't have context for this one, as the quality is not good.....
I sometimes don't hear well, and it's much worse when it's in English because English It is not my main language;-;
This is an amazing analysis, but PLEASE dont produce a video you dont want to produce just for your fans, im sure we can all understand. The fact that you had MULTIPLE breakdowns is saying something yknow, take car epf yourself. :)
@@questionking2340 can you please not discuss this in this comment chain? and also not victim blame or imply my or other people's mental illnesses are faking it for attention?
Could you maybe activate the subtitles someway? It’s fine if you can’t
Haven’t watched it yet, but I think kokichis character could’ve been better if they focused on the “supreme leader” part of his personality instead of the “liar” part. If an audience was never told his talent you’d never guess he was a supreme leader
Or he lied about his talent
Ultimate supreme leader? More like ultimate liar.
I forget that he even has a talent sometimes honestly.
Fr, when i was new to danganronpa i thought he was the ultimate liar or something
@@nikkistudio... sameish like i thought he lied about the supreme leader
As much as I like him, I do wish Kokichi’s free times had been more like Nagito’s and dove into his backstory and the way he thinks.
Please tell me you did Kaede and Kokichi's free time events-
God, please, please, PLEASE tell me Saiouma didn't shadow over it!
Im kinda hoping that in drS we will get atleast a glimpse of his bg , like out of more than 1000 character interactions he will props get his fair share, so there's still hope I belive
Considering his personality, that wouldn’t make any sense and his backstory is shown through little slip ups and requires mostly on speculation, which is quite unique for danganronpa and should be more respected
And that's the problem, people expected Kokichi to be a Nagito 2.0 even in his free-time events, but he isn’t at all, not to mention a character that has those trust issues would start spitting all his secrets wouldn't make that much sense, plus honestly i think you can outline how he thinks from his trials alone
Another thing to add. While Celeste's methods are quite unconventional, it all ties back to a very human fear we all had at some point and still do: The fear of being forgotten, the fear of dying without making a significant mark in anybody's life
Frick, that's me-
@@justagray-ace2787 That’s me too fam 😔
@@justagray-ace2787 Sayaka had agreed with your comment
Isn’t that what kokichi wanted he spends a lot of time implanting himself making it so that no one can forget him even his last words were basically “ was i just forgettable?” And the answer is no he is one of if not the most popular danganronpa characters
@@Luciferthekingofpurgitory.Nah trust me bro she told only facts(Celeste only lied 6 times before c3)kokichi is defenetly the worst writen cerector in dangorompa(trust me bro she never acted as if her hedcanons where canon)
I mean at least Celestia acted like a real liar and she didnt know everything about everybody, Kokichi just mysteriously knows these things, well it would make more sense in V3 if Angie knew more than she let on or Miu, characters who are shown to be legitimately smart and not "lie hehehe" also Kokichis lies are like he dosent lie he just says something then says it's a lie which is just making people doubt themselves and him, whereas Celestia actually lies like a real liar she reveals since the BEGINNING of the game she was lying to everybody and NOBODY KNEW
Edit; y'all know that they dont fucking speak in Kanji right??? Leon can be written in Katakana just like Celestia Ludenberg (or Sonia Nevermind, or Angie), why did Makoto never bring up the fact that Leon has a non Japanese name (which comes from Greek, or Latin, French, or Irish, sooo.......) like yeah, they speak Japanese but Makoto didnt know that Leon can be spelt using Kanji (or I think it might be Hanzi)
In some of the first dialogue Makoto has with Celeste he comments that her name seems fake and he says similar things throughout her free time events. People knew she was lying about herself, just not the amount of things that she was lying about.
@@Siphyr he really didnt have a reason TO actually say that though he just THOUGHT she had a fake name.
@@zookeeps1340 the reason Mokoto suspected Celeste's name was fake is because it's weird for a japanese girl to have a french name
@@luluzin5022 Exactly, hence why Makoto had asked her if she was Japanese before asking her if she minded telling him her real name.
@@luluzin5022 Leon is presumably fully japanese with an english name??? Why didnt he think that was odd???
According to the rules in V3, the killing game would end when there were only two students left. Kokichi directly got two people killed without becoming the blackened himself in Chapter 4, so at that point, I thought his goal was to survive until he became one of the two survivors. And I thought that it was really cool to have an evil character among the students who isn't the mastermind, but only cares about their own survival. But the next Chapter he suddenly decides to kill himself? And his plan was to end the killing game and save the remaining five students? Then in Chapter 6, Kokichi's motive video tries to convince me he had good intentions all along. THAT'S KINDA LATE AFTER HE GOT GONTA KILLED AND ALSO IS ALREADY DEAD AT THIS POINT. Honestly, Kokichi would have been a better character if he was written to be an unredeemable jerk.
Agree but *gonta killed?*
Stop treating gonta like an uwu baby,*alter ego gonta* clearly says that the decision was made by gonta himself and that *kokichi* only *showed him the flashlight*.
since miu literally left him helpless how he was supposed to defend himself? .
Please stop treating gonta like hes innocent bean uwu
@@irum4233 ...so you agree, it was Manipulation & Coercion into a False State of Despair, ‘cause you did state all the factors Kokroachi used to take an obviously easy target in a predatory manner to eliminate the threat (Miu) instead of dropping the persona ‘cause the Canon doesn’t establish it to be any more than an act (rather to the Fanon being an Uncontrollable Behaviour Pattern)
I don’t think that he’s meant to be a good character. He is meant to be a character with good goals but twisted intentions. I believe that he basically is trying to screw with US as the viewers. He tried to hide his personality through lies. Which makes everybody either hate him or love him. If he’s confusing as a character, I’m pretty sure it was on purpose. I also liked his plan because as this CZcamsr mentioned, it seemed like bad writing. It shows that it was rushed because IT WAS RUSHED. He had like an hour to plan it. The only thing I didn’t like was how he knew the handbook. I still think it was pretty smart though.
@@aya6758 that could actually work if his entire character didn't dramatically change every chapter, and his reveal at the end of chapter 5 actually matched up. As he is now, he seems more like a tool for the writers to use than an actual character.
@@irum4233 I admit, while gonta is more of the type who doesn’t understand others, and in general just wants to stick together with them even if he has no idea what they are into.. gonta is a literal beast, easily outruns everyone, kidnaps most of the students, lifts up that heavy plate over the manhole WITH TWO FINGERS. and, with none of the kidnapping being a bad intention, he doesn’t intend to hurt people, however he is the opposite of an uwu soft boy. I do argue though that it was kokichi’s idea to “mercy” kill them, because the outside world was this hell, and that with gonta not understanding the untrustworthy nature of kokichi and even the possibilties he could get caught in the act when he had to toss the toilet paper to not look suspicious, sure if he put away the toilet paper immediately after he could maybe get away with it, and kokichi makes it pretty clear he planned the murder. I say it was an act of manipulation to get him to kill. and yes, miu having the virtual world make everyone the same strength level weakens gonta dramatically, probably on purpose to prevent kokichi getting gonta to kill (which indeed happened, good job miu.) and otherwise I don’t really have much else to say, just my opinion on the chapter 4 case. even though it still sounds unrealistic that gonta would kill a student, which he wanted to get along with to team up. and I still agree, gonta is not all “uwu soft baby”, he could rip my spine in half if he chose to.
ngl, I feel like Celeste would’ve made an amazing antagonist in THH. I love Byakuya, but Celeste could’ve been stunning. Her character design is the most unique out of the THH cast (in my opinion) with a more realistic design that is still eye-catching. She is very intelligent and could’ve made an incredible antagonist with her talent, which would make her a great liar naturally. Kokichi’s talent doesn’t even have to do with lying. I do love Byakuya, but Celeste could’ve been an astounding antagonist.
Y E S.
Byakuya can fall in a ditch, Celestia’s where it’s at.
As someone who despises Byakuya to my core I totally agree with you
Byakuya would've been better as a side antagonist, whereas should've been the main antagonist.
I feel like having Byakuya as sort of competition hurt Celestia. If I recall correctly, he got much more time over Celestia when it came to having a smart character with a cynical streak showing their intellect or conflict with others. Celestia needed more time and effort put into her to make use of her potential, but the writers weren't going to give her that over Byakuya. It's not the only thing that hurt her character. Chapter 3 was messy in a way that makes me feel that they just put less effort into her scheming and in her character than Byakuya. As someone who likes Celestia over Byakuya, the apparent disinterest in doing much with from the writer is something that annoys me, especially when comparing their effort with her to that with every other antagonistic character in DR.
Tbh, Celeste doesn't have to many parallels with Makoto. Yes she's rich, but it doesn't have the same parallel that togami has. Togami fits so much better as Makotos rival. Celeste fits more as Kyokos
Okay the comment at 2:43 is blatantly wrong. Kokichi's plan was not to shit himself, it was obviously to piss himself.
If you're referring to what I think you are, you make me want to commit water breathe
Oh my god stop no no n on on o
oh no not the fanfic
Oh god oh fuck
im so confused
kokichi could've been a better character but like I think his whole "haha that was a lie" thing kinda ruined it--
please stop spamming comment chains and just type everything in one comment
@@questionking2340 He's not good at lying, once he tells a lie, he just goes "EHEHEHEH LIE I LIED...OR DID I???" He just doesn't lie correctly unlike celeste which actually lies about something and just goes with it and let's the person actually believe it.
@@questionking2340 kokichi simp shut up
@@magg0t_zz But the point of his character is to keep you guessing?
@@lumix3855 maybe when you don't know him a lot, so the beginning. But at one point, unless you're extremely dense, that stops working. Well, at least for me. And if he goes "HAHAHEJWKA I LIED..OR.DID I???" for something so simple as if he ate cookies yesterday i won't go "HMM... I WONDER IF HE ACTUALLY ATE COOKIES YESTERDAY!! I SHOULD BE CAREFUL!!!1!".
These videos have made me realise I've liked the fanon depications of Kokichi far more than canon? Not the like- "uwu I'm a crime liar boy" but ones where they change things around and fix his reasonings and actions to make legitmate sense and interesting? Really makes you think how much of his popularity is because of the fandom supplementing his character development. I'd love to see a rewrite of him with these videos as reference I think it could really make a interesting result!
Yes, I think the same thing
I agree
Unfortunately a lot of people who make these fanons also pretend that it’s the canon.
@@soundstorm7 yeah, misinformation is one of the worst problems of this fandom
@@soundstorm7 well, it happens in fandoms where fans are unhappy with some aspects, I know it makes disputes harder but I think it's better to have some fix it fanon than sticking with bad Canon.
"The joke wasn't funny anymore"
Because it was truuuue
Miu was right, Kokichi is a "lying little abortion"
It's sad when a character is only mildly tolerable in non-cannon material. I want to make it clear that I'm talking about kokichi not celeste.
I like how the only "person" close enough to Celeste for monokuma to try and convice her to murder someone over from their protection is her chucky cat. Can't say I wouldn't know why, that cat looks adorable!
Who wouldn't commit several offenses against the Geneva convention to make sure that precious kitty was safe?
That's why her cat was the loved one that was kidnapped...
Or should I say, catnapped?
I'll leave now
@Celes Toko motive video was a pet bug.
(After seeing this again...I'm starting to relate to Celeste, personally, I don't wanna be normal, I wanna be special)
I wanna point out a few things about Celeste, Although the money was going to help her, that wasn't her main motivation.
It was actually alter Ego that gave her the motive she needed, the stars aligned when the money motive was shown as well.
Aside from hating everyone and her situation.
She had pretty good reason for killing, it wasn't just because of the dream, but because of the fact she was afraid of being the next victim.
Case and point:
Sayaka and Chihiro, both considered were petite and rather weak (Well Sayaka was weak in the end because she hesitated but Celeste wasn't aware of the muscle she got from her work)
Aside from Makoto, she was probably the weakest out of the bunch. Even Yasuhiro Hagukure could kill her.
But she had everything to gain from preforming said crime.
1. 2 people fighting over something and one of them she knew would be on her side
2. Finally escaping that hell hole
3. Finally having the money she needed to make her dream come true
Also
I think Celeste might have actually liked Makoto like you said, assuming you did her free time events.
The way she acted might have been her way of testing to see if Makoto would like her, despite how she treated him.
Also....THERE IS NO FCKING WAY YOU SAY " The baby in my belly is yours! oh oops sorry wrong line" BY MISTAKE
THERE IS NO WAY YOU SAY THAT BY ACCIDENT AND ESPECIALLY AFTER YOU INVITE SOMEONE TO YOUR ROOM!!!!
I'm not saying I ship the 2, I'm just saying there really might have been some good in her.
I recall Celestia being very scared of being killed from the start being something that Celes mentioned in chapter 3. But that it was handled in such a way that it felt skimmed over, wasn't reflected on and didn't seem to affect the other characters at all. It was also put with her dream in such a way that it was always going to be focused on more by readers and even erase that side of her for lots of people. But, yes, I also think that Celestia was partly driven by her fear reaching a point where she felt her choices were to kill or having a death like Sayaka or Chihiro sooner or later.
11:50 not to mention, its heavily implied the 52 murder case files in shuichis lab are summaries of the 52 preceeding seasons of dr, if kokichi ever saw these he would probably be able to read descriptions of many unfair trials in the past seasons
Now that I think about it, if Kokichi knew about Danganronpa being a show, then Monokuma choosing a culprit at random would expose the game as being unfair and it would probably take less time to end the killing game, if that were actually explained and explained well, I think it would be at the very least an interesting idea
@@reddeath5791 But people already know that the killing game is unfair JUST by looking to even the first season, since Kyoko outright states that Monokuma's cheating and made a fake trial just to off her.
@@sylvia4232 Yes that’s true, but that’s the only time we’ve seen Monokuma ever cheat and because of it the killing game ended immediately after. We don’t know how many times Monokuma cheats during the series
six months later i realize the timestamp should have been 20:50, not 11:50 wot
@Caiden Leonard I love dangaronpa because of little things like that.
If Celeste was in V3 and she met Kokichi, she would have *curb-stomped him* before he could even say “It’s a lie!”
Kokichi: *lies* “It-“
Celeste: 🥾🥾🥾
@@Zweshi_x *A body has been discovered!*
i can actually see that happening
@Caiden Leonard *That’s the fun part*
They have actually met in the UTDP, their interaction was somewhat weird
As much as I hate the predictability of Celes' trial, at the very least, her motives actually make sense and that there is an actual character you get to break down beneath all the lies. Kokichi feels like an empty husk compared to Celes the Chad 2.0
(Edit: I don't really have any specific expectations for this second part of the Kokichi being-poorly-written speculation. But as a massive Celes fan, we'll just to have to wait and see. AND I AM HYPED)
Wdym her motives made sense she wanted to be rich and have vampire maids like what 🤠
@@user-zb1xf1mu6r Just because her motives are terrible does not make her terrible as a character. She's a remorseless bitch who committed murder for money in order to get her European castle & vampire butlers, and THE GAME PAINTS HER AS SUCH without any sloppy redemption like "oH, CeLeS iS JuSt aN UwU QuiRKy gAmBLer GiRL, wHo WaNtEd To PLaY AroUnd JusT FoR fUnSiEs sO ShE FeELs sPeciAL~" Unironically, she is my favorite antagonist in the trilogy despite being the reason my #1 comfort character, Kiyotaka Ishimaru winds up dead.
I didn't exactly like how chapter 3 of thh played out but it is a FAR better chapter than whatever the fuck v3-5 is.
@@user-zb1xf1mu6r You don't want to be rich and have vampire maids??
@@xblackprizm she killed 2 people for it
L
which makes her better than kokichi in every way. no redemption. she just focused on the prize and killed for something she wanted unlike the others.
Other characters free time events: See, this character acts in this way because this happened in their backstory. You'll also get context of their daily life and get to know their character better as you wish before they die.
Kokichi's free time events: OMFG! LOOK! HE IS LYING! HE IS A LIAR! HAVE I MENTION THAT HE IS A LIAR BEFORE? HE IS LYING LIES LYING BAD NO NO LYING GOOD HE IS LYING OR WAS HE XD
It would’ve been bad character writing if he revealed his whole backstory then because it would clash with him hiding everything about himself and lying all the time so it’s obvious it’s something different
His free time events aren't really like that though. You find out that his organisation is quite peaceful, and that he likes Saihara a lot more genuinely that you would have thought. The way he retcons his confession towards Saihara also shows how nervous he is about showing that he cares about other people, which suggests that when he shows concern towards the other characters he probably means it (like after Kaede's execution, where he seems quite remorseful until Shuichi says that "it's obvious you're lying" and Kokichi jumps on it)
Also, it's not like Kaito, Kirumi (although hers are definitely better than the other two) or Korekiyo have free time events that explain them as characters any better. You can read between the lines and use the FTEs as evidence for your personal understanding of them, but that's no different to what I'm doing right now. I don't understand how it's only a problem that Kokichi is written this way and only he's ever talked about when he isn't even unique within his own game.
@@Siphyr yeah I agree. It happens so many times when Kokichi starts getting really sad over someone’s death, and then someone accuses him of lying, he just plays along with it and says he’s lying although he’s actually not. It’s quite interesting to me how he even lies to himself to repress his emotions and he was the one who told Himiko to stop repressing her emotions
@@LanieMae Akane also likes to hide her weaknesses yet they are still revealed in her FTE's and Celestia might lie about some stuff in her fte's, but surprisingly no human can be 100% lies, nor 100% truth, but Kokichi is 158% lies which is just fucking impossible, even the best liar dosent lie 24/7 all their life
@@zookeeps1340 it’s because Kokichi straight up has a mental disorder, I think if I remember correctly is called Mythomania or Psuedologia Fantastica aka pathological/compulsive lying and Kokichi definitely has it due to how much he lies, it can’t just be a habit anymore
Anybody find it odd that Kokichi's talent is being a leader yet
1) he drives the group to distrust
And 2) an artist, an imposter, and a photographer are all better leaders than he was???
Mahiru was never a leader!? Her chastising of everyone's behavior wasn't leadership.
kokichi character can be summarised as (INSERT LIE)
kokichi character can be summarised as the best in the entire danganronpa franchise and I love him soooo much.
That was a lie! I hate him lol
@@novapixel5395 Had me in the first half ngl
i personally think that celestia is a better lier than kokichi
She uses tactics to paint her lies as the truth
Kokichi doesnt, he says a lie, and plants it as "oh, this could be a lie, or it couldnt, who knows" leaving a seed of doubt
I think that's why
Ye
she got caught with a murder so no i disagree
@@plxnetoid8969 i think shes still good at lying
@@plxnetoid8969
That doesnt make her a bad liar, that just means she couldnt lie her way out of it
And the next half of the video is released and I couldn’t agree with these points more. Celeste to me is a character who is dishonest, but consistent. She was looking out for her own survival and wanted the money to get closer to her goal. True, the narrative might have made it TOO obvious that she was the culprit, but this doesn’t damage Celeste as a character in my opinion. Kokichi on the other hand is just a hollow, misdirected, paranoid mess who instigated meaningless conflicts, fucked over the two characters who helped him the most, and planned to end the killing game in a way that solely relied on luck and plot conveniences to work. Seriously, why do the Exisals have a voice changer in the first place when they were designed specifically for the Monokubs? Something that you didn’t mention that always bugged me is this: why do the other characters allow Kokichi to pretty much do or get what he wants with little to no question? This was one of the BIGGEST problems I had with Chapter 4 and 5. Why did Miu trust him enough to give him inventions in the first place? Kaede and Shuichi had to literally bow to her and beg for her help in Chapter 1 in order to convince her to help out. I can’t see Kokichi doing that, so why would Miu give inventions to someone she doesn’t like, let alone trust? They literally NEVER explain how he managed to get her to help him. They NEVER explain how he managed to convince Gonta to go along with the mercy kill idea. They just say that these things happen and we are FORCED to accept it. True, this series has a lot of nonsense we have to accept, but at least the majority of these things have proper build-up to them. Sorry for the wall of text, but Kokichi at this point just frustrates me to the point of no longer feeling anything for him. I feel more apathy towards this character than hatred.
Yeah, and how he knew about the press. No one knew about the press until chapter 5 so how did he know?
Also a little problem with Kokichi's plan. If the electrobomb disables all the electricity for many hours, then why didn't the hydraulic press stop working? If we follow logic, it should be completely unusable. Why were the exisals still perfectly intact and functioning when they should've been completely disabled? Yeah, nothing like that happened(because plot armor), but why didn't Kokichi think of that? If he was so clever, he would. Also, thinking of it, how do electrobombs even work? How do they disable electricity and never damage anything? The game gives no answers.
the electrobombs deliver an EMP, which would only harm humans if it were powerful enough to do so. but yeah, the hydraulic press should have ALSO stopped working entirely, not just its safety feature.
@@DetectiveNyx thank you I’ve always hated the fact only the safety stopped it makes no sense and like he commenter said is just plot armor for Kokichi
@@soupiaaa We can also remove the possibility of Miu making specific modifications as she would have to do those modifications to the Hydraulic press which wasn't even accessible when she was still alive.
@@DefineObsessed Yeah it doesn’t make sense lol
the biggest and most damning thing for me is the comparisons people make between ouma and three people: togami, komaeda, and fuyuhiko.
1. togami has very well explained reasons why he behaves the way he does. he was taught from birth that the world is a cutthroat business transaction and that if he doesn't rise to the top, he will die in the gutter. he acts the way he does in the killing game because that's literally all he knows. his life has always been a killing game, just with less directly lethal consequences. seeing sakura sacrifice her life for her friends directly contradicts the world that togami has been living in, and when he realizes that the world is not as dog eat dog as he was conditioned to believe, he changes. ouma seems to already know that the world is more compassionate than he'd believe, he just *doesn't care.* he actively seeks to try and make others feel threatened and upset, because he wants to. he doesn't give a shit if the people around him are good or not; he just wants to cause as much chaos and hatred in his wake as he can. and i feel like the reveal at the end of the game where ouma was actually a "good guy" is another way to excuse his actions in the game. togami meanwhile has believable and sympathetic reasons to be the way he is.
2. komaeda also has well explained reasons why he acts the way he does. while unfortunately a lot of his motives do stem from mental and physical illnesses, the effects are actually somewhat realistic. komaeda's been so used to living in extremes that it makes sense for him to see the world that way. his talent has also conditioned him to expect extreme good to come out of extremely bad situations, and vice versa. his ideal of hope is related to this, and he craves it so desperately that he will act in unpredictable and backwards ways to see it. ouma doesn't seem to be looking for the best in people; he already sees the good in a lot of his classmates. komaeda finds out that his classmates are terrible people, and thinks he's doing a good thing by ridding the world of them. ouma, meanwhile, gets rid of gonta, miu, and kaito directly, three people that are doing very big, net good things: gonta is by far the kindest and most trusting of the cast, miu is an inventor looking to improve humanity and its output, and kaito is the most confident and courageous person in the cast who was willing to take a literal poison arrow for ouma. and yet, ouma still actively decides to kill them for seemingly no reason other than to save his own ass.
3. fuyuhiko grew up in a (quite literally) cutthroat world, and despite his innermost self being a loyal, genuine, and devoted person, he had to hide those parts of himself in order to survive every day. that constant pushing down of his emotions gave him a hard, disinterested exterior. it could be argued that this was actually fuyuhiko's way of being kind to others, by trying to keep them away from his life of crime and violence. fuyuhiko is aware of the selfless nature of people, with peko laying down her life constantly to protect him, his sister being devoted to him to the point of near idolization, and even ibuki celebrating his recovery with a concert. when his outer layers start to deteriorate, he's scared. he knows that he's been a bad person, and his entire character arc is his atonement for the destruction that happened around him. ouma sacrifices people around him willingly, does not atone for any of that destruction, and is eventually vindicated for seemingly no goddamn good reason. ouma is treated as a "good guy deep down" despite him showing absolutely no signs to validate this idea. fuyuhiko and ouma may share a voice actor, but they do not share anything else in terms of characterization.
WAIT A MINUTE PEKO IS FUYUHIKO'S SIS???? OH.......................... *hides fuyuhiko x peko drawings*
@@nathanmom1045 no, she isn't. Don't worry. They're refering to Natsumi from DR 3.
I’m pretty curious about this take.
“Ouma seems to already know the world is more compassionate than he’d believe, he just doesn’t care.” Rantaro + Tenko accuse Kokichi of wanting to start the killing game because he’s the first one to suggest they take a break from attempting the Death Road of Despair. In ch2, he gets choked out in front of the entire group… and the only one to intervene is Kaito. In ch3, he takes a plank to the head and nobody tries to help treat him. I’d say the game is teaching him people are LESS compassionate than he’d believe.
“Ouma gets rid of Gonta, Miu, and Kaito directly, each of whom are doing very net good things.” Leaving aside Gonta and his agency in his murder, Miu was attempting to kill Kokichi in that chapter… and thereby was attempting to kill the entire cast… which isn’t a net good, I feel like we can agree. He also didn’t kill Kaito - he gave Kaito, who was already a dying man, the antidote after Maki came in to shoot them both. As soon as Kaito leapt in to intercept Maki’s second arrow, two people who were going to die there. And Ouma is neither the person who initiated the attack nor did he tell Kaito to dive in front of that arrow. I’m not blaming Kaito or saying Kaito did anything wrong. Maki came to kill Kokichi because she thought he was the mastermind because of the Flashback Light, and it’s not like Kokichi can control the Flashback Lights either. In fact, he could’ve escaped death there by taking the antidote himself and letting Maki and Kaito die (Maki, who has now nearly killed Kokichi twice, and Kaito, the dying man). Sure it’s a jerk move, but it seems like it’d be in line with a large amount of how people interpret him.
“Ouma is eventually vindicated”
??? Yes, his last words are shown indicating that he hates the killing game and was trying to end it, but it’s not like his plan succeeds. Kaito, the one who relays his words to the group, adds at the end that he thinks those last words aren’t worth anything at all. And then in the next chapter we get Kokichi’s motive video depicting DICE to prove he isn’t a Remnant of Despair and he wasn’t the mastermind either, but this isn’t saying that he did anything good during the game or that he accomplished anything good, and no one in game considers this to exonerate Kokichi of any of the actions he took during the killing game.
I try to keep my views as neutral as possible, so please excuse any bias that has leaked in.
19:37 hopping onto this, monokuma pretty much pulled the same thing in 1:4 after Sakura’s death by executing Alter Ego. It’s definitely more than likely he’d just execute one of the other students (likely Maki or Shuichi as they both often came close to solving the truth and becoming a threat)
I’m sorry to hear that you went trough some mental breakdowns during the making of this video, but hey at least you made me realise that kokichi cannot function without Shuichi, maki, Kaito etc…
I'm both glad that Celestia is getting more love, and dreaded considering that there's some people who seriously needed a video to know she's better than Kokichi-
I love everything about Celeste.
No more is needed
Same, I absolutely love Celestia! She is one of my favorite THH characters (With Toko, Chihiro, Junko, and Mukuro) and probably my favorite characters overall. I don’t despise Kokichi (however my feelings are starting to lean more negative), but Celeste is much better then him.
@@random_jae5886 I love celestia I just hated on thing. It’s how the game treated her in chapter 3 specifically they made her trial completely obvious. They give some characters a lot of screen time on a chapter their important too and you knew something was up when celestia kept “claiming” to see some mystery person that only she was attacked and saw. Her overall plan was good but how she is supposed be the queen of liars the game didn’t treat her like that at all. If they did something different like have the robo justice attack someone else when they were alone would have changed everything and made it more confusing who the killer is. Like in chapter 2 there were some hints it was mondo but it wasn’t obvious at all
@@frenchfries2998 I understood everything and why she did. But why did she give Hifumi so much power in this plan?
It’s out of character. I understand why she wouldn’t want to rely on her luck and she was scared of being killed because of how physically weak she is and losing her control over the others because people were breaking the nighttime rule. However I don’t think she would put so much on Hifumi. Most of the mistakes are because of him. Also she got caught for the dumbest reason and I hated the trial. Also she wouldn’t freak out that quickly. Yeah I hate chapter 3
@@celestialudenburg3428 Same here for the person she hates the most she gave hifumi so much power in her plan even though she said herself he’s incompetent. He messed up the entire thing so easily honestly even yasuhiro could have probably done a better job. Also her losing her remote for being the ultimate gambler is ridiculous because she always has a poker Face on the only way I can try and rational it is if I try and say that she was trying to scare makoto away from the truth but that still makes no sense. Yeah they really messed her up a lot in chapter 3 in my opinion... I do love how she had a complicated murder though it’s really in character for her to try and throw everyone off by having two bodies.
Celeste is one of the characters I think is poorly written but I’ll go into this with an open mind.
Kokichi is the poorly written one XD even Sayaka (I love her a lot) is far better written than Kokichi.
@Bird Bread I always saw her as a smart and a good liar, yet chapter 3 made her slip up so easily and I don’t believe she wanted to get caught(I’ve read many stretches that make it seem like she wanted to get caught) since she made such a complex plan.
@@Rocky-brilliant I mean sayaka isn’t even a poorly written character, she just has less screen time then others, and even then she probably has more screen time than people who died in chapter 2, like mahiru, since we are in the perspective of makoto.
@@AmiboW I agree with that!
Basically Celeste lies when she deems fits And does it strategically . oma lies because the game needed someone to lie to fit the theme .
I hated that Gonta was killed off. People who says he’s not intelligent. No he’s very intelligent. He’s a scientist of bugs for Pete’s sake. But Gonta is socially unaware and is uninformed on human society. He explained that his human family found him after a while and that his two families distrust each other. He wants to be the best representative of both and wants to allow them to understand each other. Gonta was a symbol of hope that died in the worst way possible. Gonta is naive, he’s very trusting of others and for that she should have been a VICTIM and Miu a killer.
Honestly, fanon/fanfiction Kokichi is better than his canon counterpart (at least from my memory since it's been awhile since I read them). Fanon Kokichi actually sticks to his principles and does give a damn about what could happen to the others during the killing game, though that usually only happens because other changes have come into play as well (I tend to see this in stories where Kaede survives past the first trial or in talent swap stories).
YESSSSS! FICS WHERE KAEDE LIVES IS AWESOME, LIKE "I'll Trade My Life For Yours"!
Could anybody recommend me some Danganronpa fan fiction? I’d be interested in reading some
@@herossoup6027 Did you check the one I named? If not, I recommend that one! :)
@@herossoup6027 I'll go look on my Ipad to get the fics I'm reading so I can recommend them to you! :D
@@justagray-ace2787 I’ve actually started it, and boy is it long. I’m usually a quick reader, but the fic you recommended has made me have to slow down and slowly go through it. But so far it’s very detailed and emotional, and I’m excited to see where it goes
I thought you were wrong about Kokichi last time- Proved me wrong so hard. Time to prove me wrong about Taeko as well.
Me too.
Like, I don't actually like Celeste but I know damn well this video will probably change my mind.
So...updates you guys? Personally, I love Taeko's Character already but this just made me love her more.
@@questionking2340 No.1 would def be Celeste...
These 2 videos made me realize how much I relied on the fandom to fill in the parts of his character that don't make sense/don't exist. I thought of a rebuttal to most of your points but none of them are confirmed canon. It's just what I think. I love Kokichi but this made me think.
Thank you. I'm glad you're being honest😂
Every kokichi stan likes to pull the fandom in for ammunition against arguments. Even though those arguments have nothing to support them
I kind of think the fandom is the point. He’s meant to be an interpretive character. Still wish we got some answers though
@@cosmicspacething3474 the problem with an interpretive character like him is like you said there’s no answer at all
Even with an interpretive character there should at least be some answer that explains enough of the motive to get a picture to at least who this person is a bit even if there’s many things left to interpret. Not every why question has to be answered but the answer to a couple maybe even one and it actually being CONSISTENT with everything else would do wonders for a character. Or even if there isn’t a blatant explanation right off the bat
At the very least there should be some level of consistency
I think if they had focused more on the whole "Oh DICE is an organization who just does stupid little clown pranks and that's it." thing way earlier Kokichi could've been slightly more likable.
A strange thing about Kokichi was that he could've just...avoided going to the rooftop, right? Correct me if I'm wrong, but Miu "lured" him there, although he knew perfectly well he was being trapped. So if he just, say, DIDN'T go to the rooftop, he could have avoided 2 deaths just like that.
I think Miu still would kill anyone. she needed to die when she had intentions.
@@movietheatersnacks she would still kill anyone. She wanted to survive so badly and She would still find another plan to k1ll someone. Or dhe would still find a way to k1ll kokichi somewhere
@@movietheatersnacks Im not even saying she'd succed. The game and Shuichi himself said that she'd actually succed lmao.
Even better: if Kokichi didn't collaborate with Monokuma and ask him to put a flashback light inside of a simulation, the students wouldn't have a reason to go there from a begin with. Miu's plan would've fallen apart before she was even able to start bringing it to life. Kokichi could avoid two people dying by doing absolutely nothing!
@@alexandraaveryanova8325 Yeah, honestly, it would've made more sense for his main plot twist to be that the flashback lights made him think he was an Ultimate Despair. Could've actually had some character after the truth was revealed.
You just described in a few words why I think Kokichi is Danganronpa's worst writing: Its ambiguity. I was debating before with other users (I use them as an example not to offend) one of them I told him that Kokichi told Ryoma who had his video knowing the content (which is implied in the class trial), his argument was that PROBABLY (keyword) Kokichi gave it to him to find meaning in his life and he didn't know it was empty until later. Okay perfect, then comment on similar reasons why I thought his plan didn't make sense and he told me that I didn't understand his character. That I was seeing him as a manipulative master who always has everything under control, but in reality he was "good intentions, bad decisions" (which I disagree with considering that they put him to make a plan to deceive himself Monokuma and most of the fandom see him as the smartest after Junko and Kamukura. Someone like that I can't see as someone who didn't know what he was doing) Well, in another comment I meet someone who says that Kokichi's character is just a bastard who only thinks about beating the game and doesn't care about others. This justifies the reason that the plan did not save his grandmother, and that he gave the reason to Ryoma (but with this also I do not think the same, because he gave the antidote to Kaito when he could carry out his plan with him dead, in addition to the video of DICE and that specifies that it does not kill) If I point this out it is not to see who of the two is right, but to show that when there is a hole in the plot, the fans will always say that "Nope, that was not the character, what he really was "and then invent a character that avoids all the plot holes and say that it is the author who decided this. And that's the point, the author has no intention. Since Kokichi always lies, you can make up whatever intention you want to the character when there are plot holes, while the author doesn't give any intention for fans to modify the character at their convenience. If, as a fan, I have to write the intentions, the explanations, invent things that we never saw in the canon so that your character does not lose meaning and you as the author did not show me anything; so he's a bad character because the author causes his fans to write to Kokichi. And this is not the same as leaving things for the player to decide. Sayaka is a good example. Did she write the message just to get back at Leon or to help and save her friend? That is up to the reader to interpret, but the rest of Maizono's actions and his intentions are very clear.But in the case of Kokichi, his entire character is up to the reader's interpretation. And while this can be a good way to have fun playing detective, it's also a way to not write a lot, let the fans figure out your plotholes, and say it's complex for that alone.
if i could pin multiple comments i would also pin this one, because despite complaining for an hour this was something i also noticed and despised about his character - thank you for putting it into words
@@DetectiveNyx Your welcome. Personally, I don't talk English very well so I needed to use the translator. That's why there are so many errors.
What’s wrong with ambiguity?
@@LanieMae The problem would be that if I find a plothole, the fandom would come with an explanation that most likely is not canon and the autor didn't think in that. That's muy problem.
@@joseleonardofarfanperez2838 I don’t exactly see anything wrong with that. Some characters/games are meant to be left up to interpretation. Also, I do think that he wasn’t lazily written and actually had some thought into his psychology and backstory, especially considering that I found it strange that he had almost all the symptoms of BPD, which might suggest he was intentionally written with that disorder in mind
I'm actually really glad you made this. As a person who has been dealing with pathological liars all through my life, it kinda hurts to see people trying to defend Kokichi's writing and everything he does.
Another thing that kinda bugs me about Kokichi stans is the way they'll try to vindicate Kaito without realizing they've basically bought into Kokichi's gaslighting.
Don't put all Kokichi stans in one box, please. I like him, but I don't hate Kaito at all! :(
Kaito is actually a pretty chill guy, ngl. The only thing I don't like about him is the toxic masculinity he does with Shuichi.
@@justagray-ace2787 I personally adore Kaito, but you’re right about the toxic masculinity bro stuff he does
@@herossoup6027 wait what toxic masculinity are you guys talking about?
@@AmiboW The stuff he does, like in the post trial after Kaede gets executed, he tells Shuichi after punching him "But you didn't say a damn thing to Monokuma! You call yourself a man!?"
@@justagray-ace2787 yeah I hate how his solution is violence if he doesn't like they way someone acts, sadly "wake up slap" seems to be a common thing in Japanese media
To the people saying Free Time Events are useless let me ask you this:How the hell are they going to fit all the characterisation into the main plot?
Do they even need Free time events to like Gonta?
They make a character interesting and plus the events give players equal opportunity to know about characters that die really early in games and all like Mahiru Peko, Kirumi, Chihiro so yeah they are necessary in a good way
Idk.....how about? Write good?
3:08 - Honestly, I wanna know when that "disregard free time events" mentality came from. Granted, my brain is still in 2014 peak Goodbye Despair, where people usually dug into free time events as character appreciation, so it feels weird? that people seemingly discourage others from looking into extra character content.
my brain is still in that mentality as well, but i've seen many newer fans, mostly from the 2020 boom, argue the FTEs are useless
Yeah and it's so weird?? Like, extra content of your favorite characters just hanging out and getting to learn details about them you feasibly couldn't in a death game where, say, Rantaro being a protective older brother who loves all his sisters, biological or otherwise, would never reasonably come up? _Yeah,_ it's never going to be relevant to a case but it's still nice to learn when you do.
It honestly feels like a mentality coming from speeding through the killing game part of the game which, y'know, that's fine, but I dunno, it feels weird that _that's_ the mindset that gets picked up from it all.
I'm still confused how Kokichi figured out the codes for Rantaro's room, how he found out microscopic bugs, why he had to manipulate Gonta when he was already too suspicious etc.
I really don't understand Kokichi and people might say "Of course bcz everything he says and shows is a lie, it's his character" but if you leave everything about a character and just assume it's all just lies...
(Also how did he write a whole book of lines for Kaito when he was slowly dying and had a limited time to live while he can't die by poison because of his plan. And the fact that his main plan required the information that there was an external way to control the monokub machine pilot things in order to corner the mastermind and the existence of a place to protect them even though it wasn't revealed until chapter 5.)
I'm so happy someone acknowledges that Kokichi's plan makes no sense at all. I still like the fifth trial of v3, because the trial itself is extremely entertaining and the emotional beats with Maki work really well to me, but when you take a step back the plan really makes no fucking sense at all and it's frustrating to see no one actually talk about it.
yea, after the plan was revealed i had to take a break to wonder how the hell that plan would end the killing game. lets say kokichi was voted guilty. kaito steps out of the exisal, now what? everyone just gets killed except for kaito who will probably die due to his illness not long after. i mean, i guess it would end the killing game in the sense that there would be no more participants, but if the plan did succeed kokichi absolutely destroyed any chance of the remaining students surviving
@@sxvxrxlx1864 EXSACTLY THATS WHAT I KEPT THINKING
If you look at the different types of liars Celestia and Kokichi represent he is a compulsive liar while she is a manipulative liar
@@d3ddll138
I honestly can’t correct you. As a compulsive yourself. You’re more qualified to speak on that topic than me who isn’t and hasn’t done enough research
He didn't seems like a compulsive liar since he enjoys lying and defends it. It looks like lying is his CHOICE. Compulsive liars did not control their lying, they didn't CHOOSE it since it's a disorder.
@@user-fl8qj9iw1k all I want to say was that if you're a manipulative liar you WANT people to listen to the lies that you're saying
We all know kokichi is just celeste, nagito and hiyoko put in a blender and drained of anything that made them interesting.
That usually happens when someone mixes characters, not knowing what made them good or bad in the first place.
And Ruruka
and a little but of chiaki and mikan for the design
*not like hiyoko had anything interesting to begin with*
@@venomase5572 I don't think I can agree with that, yes she is a bit crazy with killing animals and bullying Mikan is also not a thing I would say makes her character better, but her behavior has foundation with beeing mean to make herself seem stronger than she is. she is very defensive which is something that becomes clearer in her later freetime events, she tries to become better after Mahiru's death. Overall she is in away much like Fuyuhiko in chapter 1 and 2, an asshole that doesn't want to get attached to anyone so they distance themself. Hiyoko's behavior is probably a result of bad parenting and maybe racism (like Aeris theoriesed in another video). Overall I would say Hiyoko is not a perfect character at all, her death was way to early. But I would say she isn't a boring nothing character that is just bad to everyone for no reason. I mean if you still think there isn't anything interesting about Hiyoko that is fine. I just wanted to defend a character i think is overhated.
5:29 y'see it's cuz celes has a poker face and kokichi doesnt.
get it
cuz it's like
when y
poker
god i wanna fucking pin this but i don't wanna explain the shitty audio quality over and over again
Honestly in the final chapter his ultimate lab being used to figure their memories were fake just shows how desperate the writers are to make Kokichi important-
As if that wasn't clear enough since the start of the game
Honestly Kokichi could have been a better rival if they expanded his character in the first three chapters, BuT nO they made him an annoying nuisance that just kept on saying NeHeHe It's A Lie through half of the game until they tried to make him relevant and important but it just ended up being half-assed.
18:36 My thoughts on that is that Kokichi's goal wasn't to make an unsolvable murder, though that was somewhat part of it, but instead to lead Monokuma to the wrong conclusion in regards to the murder, and have Kaito exit the Exisal when he's declared to be the victim. Which in turn would pretty clearly expose Monokuma's lie of knowing how every murser plays out. Though there would still be no indication that Monokuma would let everyone go, and it would raise a different issue entirely, in that Monokuma might execute everyone except Kaito since they "voted incorrectly" for who the culprit is.
Really excited to see this - I never really considered Celes an overly good written character ( definitely better than Kokichi tho), but there are a lot of details I have forgotten from DR1 over the years. And, thank you Aeris for that, you have already changed my point of view on several characters/aspects of them (I never considered Sayaka a snake, but after the video I understood her decisions even more). Highly hyped up for the video, thank you for your content!
Time for best liar in the spotlight 💖💖💖
So I’ve mentioned before somewhere about rewriting Kokichi. Well this isn’t a perfect idea and is probably really bad but at least it’s an idea but prepare for a 1:30 am idea I got
So first things first was that I really wanted to change the talent from pretty much a dictator to something else
After thought. I figured unlucky student.
It’s definitely not something canonically done and it gives me an idea how to handle the other parts
Persona: Kokichi Oma is an unlucky student who is childish and can come off as pestering to other people. Despite his energetic nature, he tends to spend much of his time as he can, alone. He will tease the other classmates enough that hopefully they get annoyed with them and end up leaving him alone. But he tries to never go too far with the teasing because that weighs on his conscious. His view on luck could lead to some self esteem issues with him not finding himself more of a burden to the rest of his class mates. And I could also imagine him lying to simply make people not want to be around him.
Agency: possibly him trying to be annoying and drive people away. Yet he doesn’t go out of his way to make class trials much harder for people because while that would drive people away it could risk in them all dying.
Not to mention I still imagine he’d be smart and helpful when he absolutely feels like he should. Like during class trials. Despite not wanting to get too involved due to luck, when he does get involved he will say something really insightful and helpful as with an unlucky talent he’s probably had to be very cautious and analytical of things anyways.
Motive: in his mind, if he drives people away and isolates himself, if he goes it alone, no one will be affected by his luck therefore no one has to die. If he acts too rude though, it weighs on his conscious because he doesn’t really like hurting people especially since he’s seen people get hurt before and believes it’s because of his luck.
4: wants and fears
Wants: I imagine he’d care for the well being of his class maters and want them to be safe.
But deep down he’d wish to not be unlucky in which he wouldn’t have to isolate himself and could be friends with everyone.
Fears: unintentionally causing someone to die in the game due to his luck.
I can imagine him actually afraid of death too which is why instead of trying to die right off the bat, he pushes people away.
Connections and conflicts: not 100% sure how I’d go through this one. Maybe someone else has ideas to this probably bad rewrite but again. At least it’s actually something and not a copy-paste of Nagito
Edit: also. I said I can still see him as analytical. I do see him as analytical enough to notice things but I also see him being held back by his own personal bias with his luck which keeps him from rethinking how he’s going about pushing people away and how that could be harmful
Probably made no sense. I should really sleep
Considering aries hearted this Its probably a good idea
When you made grammatical errors but don’t want to lose the heart: 🥲
wait this is actually a really interesting base for a character !!!! :0 good job dude
I legit love this. I'd actually enjoy his character if he was more like this and not #copy paste: Nagito Komaeda, Celestia Ludenburge, and junko enoshima#
It'd feel natural to have a student have a talent related to luck but unlike Nagito or Makotos it's all bad luck, and instead of him being the one who initiates trouble for some reason
Just doesn't get involved as to not affect someone
I really like this idea
His name literally means "but luck", would be fitting.
This video truly did illustrate the nuances of the liar character archetype that Celeste was able to provide, while Kokichi hammered that nuance to oblivion. Once again, very valid video
I had to use headphones for this...
Btw the fact that kiibo has an actual sense of humanity and kokichi doesn't makes it extremely ironic every time he insults him for being a robot
given i swear and scream like a sailor, headphones is probably the best choice
This video made me realize from a writing perspective, Kokichi Oma is a Mary Sue. Breaking the laws of the universe and ideals of the characters around them to build up one character to be this amazing, awe inspiring, best character of the story. I think I’ll have to think about that more but that’s just what I wanted to share.
That’s literally false when every character in the story hates him. You clearly don’t know what Mary Sue even means.
@@KoolCartoons
You sound a bit rude in this. No need to lose your temper. They just mixed up Mary Sue and Anti sue. That’s all
Kokichi is an Anti sue
@@nevergonnagiveyouup1180 sorry.
@@KoolCartoons
Oh it’s ok. Sorry if I sounded rude. Sorry I didn’t see this either
No… that’s not what a Mary sue is. He’s just badly written. Plain and simple.
Hell yes! We're getting part 2 almost immediately after part 1!
Kockichi is like a grape with 19 seeds. I fcuiing hate grapes with 19 seeds.
What grapes are you eating? 😰
@@Zweshi_x not grapes with 19 seeds.
Thats why i prefer the green ones,they are more sour,but no seeds.
What about 18 seeds?
I can't wait! The last installment's points were argued really well, and framerate or no, hopefully this episode will finally lay Kokichi's writing to rest for good!
I went into this two-parter not knowing why people would consider Kokichi to be a terrible character, but now I see a lot of holes that weren't noticible before. I still like Kokichi because of his dynamic with Kaito and what we learn about him after he dies, but that's because I think it's worth holding my suspension of disbelief for. It's more than reasonable for other people to not do that and be frustrated with how many holes it puts in the game's story.
I know this isn’t a comparison between Kokichi and Tsumugi, but I don’t get why people hate Tsumugi but love Kokichi even though he’s responsible for many more deaths, even if they’re indirect. He’s responsible for the death of Ryoma, Kirumi, Miu and Gonta. Not to mention his plan to save everyone was to reveal the truth of the outside world which nearly led the surviving students to suicide.
if you look closely, one of celeste's card in the thumbnail is an asexual heart.
If I'll be honest, Kokichi's, "It's a lie! Or is it?" thing is kinda old to me. If you think about it, that's all he says directly and indirectly during the trials when he says something about/including the case.
i was watching Trapped earlier and the caretaker wound up doing the exact same thing to introduce the game Two-Faced Liar which made me realise that it's writing i expect from children's programming (darker children's programming, but children's programming)
Ah yes, well written female Kokichi who is better in every way.
More like Kokichi is a poorly written male celeste that is worse in every way
Another problem is after everyone is done voting in chapter 5, Monokuma could just walk over and open up the exisal, and make the judgement based on that. He could even do that while Kaito was in the exisal waiting backstage before he came onto the trial grounds. He’s the goddamn mastermind, so if course he can open the exisals. If not, he can just take the spare Monotaro he is shown to have a chapter later and open the exisal using him. Yes, Kokichi might not know about that but that just raises the question why Monokuma didn’t just do that.
Ikr
Like monokuma is all powerful what’s to stop him from just opening the exisal he probably would have some sort of spare remote or something plus all the other students would probably help him
@@soupiaaaHell, what's even stopping him from investigating crime himself.
The crime scene is so easy to figure out. Why Monokuma simply didn't teleport in the room is beyond me. There is literally nothing stopping him!
I am fascinated with Celeste's character. Usually people say that you need to accept your persona, but what if you dont see any compelling traits in yourself? What if you refuse to accept yourself being boring and uninteresting. Let's all agree that sometimes we want to start our lives over and become someone else. Ofcourse, it raises the question of whether or not you truly enjoy the lies you tell yourself and others, but on the other hand you can create new, already true memories
I’m glad we’re finally getting a video that says what I’ve always wanted to say…
I can't wait for this video! I've always thought that Celeste was kokichis better.
I love the scene where you say Kokichi eats the puzzle pieces of his character puzzle.
That line killed me... it's so good.
A lot of the puzzle his character made of is actually a pieces from completely different puzzles that do not fit together. Like "Let's commit a double murder!" piece and "no killing code" piece.
@@user-fl8qj9iw1k and he still eats the pieces
I honestly think it's just a Back and forth at this point. I feel like ppl where hate kokichi attacking the "stans" and (not everyone) also having valid points but ppl where to like him and are not a "12 year old fangirl" are going basically getting hated and judged on for just normally liking him. I like him but I personally are scared of getting heavily insulted and or doxxed for just liking something or haven a different opinion?
You all are valid to like what you want. No one schould feel that way just because of FICTIONAL characters.
Im scared if you excessive quotation marks
Yeah, I get you there. I'm neutral on Kokichi's character but I wish there wasn't such a heavy automatic generalization for just liking him. You can still not like certain types of fans of a character, but don't generalize all of them and box these genuine fans into a negative label that they probably don't deserve.
Same that's why i left the fandom but i still watch some contact
True. I have said many times that I liked Kokichi more than Nagito. I get shit for it even though both aren't even in my top 5 favourite DR characters. Nagito was actually one of my favourites however, after watching too many LPs, he just got more progressively annoying. Every single little thing that happens, he makes it all about his hope and by extension, about himself. His FTEs also were kind of thinly-veiled emotional manipulation for the player. I know they were there to explain why he is the way he is. I wouldn't be so annoyed by if it didn't cause his more rabid fans to excuse his shitty actions because of mental illness.
Kokichi? Meh. Funny kid. Has some replay value (just to see missed foreshadowing). Certainly overrated but not really as maddening in LPs as Nagito (for me). I was actually glad he didn't have a fleshed-out backstory because sure the excusing-Nagito's-crap thing would be a repeat. But Ch 5 AKA "Kokichi did nothing wrong" undid all of that.
Yeah I hear you but it feels like people who dont like kokichi get A lot of hate for not liking him. A lot more hate. I rarely see people attacking those who like him. But I see a lot of hate for people who dont and have good reasons too
In my opinion they tried to take the likable components of nagito,celest,junko and maybe byuakia (sorry for the incorrect spelling I am severally dumb and dyslexic) but all of thoughs different traits and aspects clashed with one another creating an inconsistent and unmotivated character like kokichi
Byakuya has likable parts? Sorry, I just really despise him and find him incredibly overrated, I’m not trying to insult anyone who does like him even though someone will say I already have no matter if I did or not
Nagito, Celeste, Junko, and Byakuya gave birth to Kokichi
THATS...exactly what I keep telling people. I love 3 out of 4 of those characters and a lot of others are too. Which is probably why they like kokichi so much
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Well he does have an arc and reason to why he’s a d*ck due to how his life was basically a non lethal game in which he had to come out on top in order to survive. I don’t like him entirely but he has reasons. And gets a beat down in chapter four so it’s satisfying.
It's dramatically ironic, and somewhat interesting, that the factors that are supposed to redeem Kokichi ( his manipulation of trial 5 and the stuff you find in his room) are what kill his worth as a character. Like if he were just an unredeemable "chaos factor teehee" villain then I could've loved to hate him. Instead, I'm annoyed and frustrated that the game wasted my time with poorly written nonsense.
Kokichi' exposing his own lies annoys me more than his sorry excuse of a financial situation
for some reason my brain latched onto kokichi as a comfort character, but at the same time makes nagito fill me with rage even though he's a com0lex, interesting, well written character. my hypothesis as to why people like kokichi so much is because he's a blank slate, slightly queer coded, and also the enemies to lovers trope. i think he could've been a really compelling character, had he been given a personality or a clearer goal. for example, a goal he might've had was to beat the killing game, and outsmart the mastermind. how would he do this? create an unsolvable mystery, reveal the masterminds hypocrisy(ie 6th trial style) and save as many people as possible. as you said inthe first part, he was not designed to be human. if he had been fleshed out more, and given an actual character, i believe he could've been one of the best characters, possibly reminding players of hiyoko, nagito, sayaka, and celeste.
for hiyoko, he'd be immature, have a hard time being serious at the right times, possibly miss some social cues, cry at any insults, be unable to take criticism unless its from someone close. he'd also seem even more like an autistic person to me, as hiyoko reminds me of my own experiences
for nagito, well, yea💜 im not good at talking about nagito because my monkey brain hates him for no reason, but i think they'd share the trait of being sympathetic but not in a super redeemable way
for sayaka, i think he'd latch onto someone right away, he'd try desperately to get out to save his friends, he'd feel guilty and scared, he'd show more distress in a traumatic situation
and for celeste, he wouldn't reveal his lies, his lies would also be subtler, his plans would be better thought out, he'd also actually be a good leader lol
idk man, these are my thoughts i decided to spew. thanks for reading i guess?????
Oh, yeah...I hate when the only reason some people like him is because of SAIOUMA of all things. HIEIUEHIORECPIUEHUOIWEWHUICOEHIU That ship is so toxic as fuck and makes no fucking sense.
@@justagray-ace2787 while i dont ship saiouma (though i do find some ship art cute), i kinda understand where it comes from. kokichi's ftes imply at least a one-sided attraction, and i could totally see them getting along in a no despair au. i guess it all really depends on how you see it and ship preferences lol
@@corncrime The ship itself is lacking in chemistry. At least Kaede and Kokichi's free-time events actually have chemistry there, despite it only being two free-time events (Yes, I ship Oumaede/Oumatsu). People can ship Saiouma, but it will never make sense to me.
@@justagray-ace2787 mm, fair enough. everyone has their opinions. also oumaede sounds so cute - i view them having more of a sibling relationship, but them together just seems adorable
@@corncrime Yessss! Tysm for commenting that! There's actually a lot of fanart for that ship if you look hard enough in the right places, so hearing someone say they think this rare pair/ship that doesn't get much attention is cute makes me feel-HHDJNECJENWKLNXIOWENOI so happy!
Celeste was my favorite character in THH, honestly her entire concept of pulling off a murder was very intriguing, and I do agree that her manners throughout the game do make her a trustworthy character, at least in the context of the killing game and the murders. I was half expecting her to be the killer but it still intrigued me how she managed to move the pieces almost perfectly.
Celeste was one of the favourite characters in DR1 (in my opinion) and one of my personal favourites, she was great and the lies she told honestly added to the mystique and intrigue of her character and you feel compelled to listen to what she has to say whereas Kokichi’s lies were pretty much just “Okay, so you just say that to mess with people. Big deal.” So why I agree with Aeris in that Celeste’s character is super interesting and Kokichi has no character whatsoever
Can I just say that your channel has become such a comfort for me? I came here because of the Akane video essay which I absolutely loved, and then started binge watching your videos. All of them are really good, and I loved your ability to speak your mind about the things in the fandom that you didn't like, especially regarding people's opinions on certain characters.
And this video about Kokichi ( and it's first part, too) made me appreciate your channel even more because you said the things that I have been thinking about for a very long time, so I agreed with every bit. I'm tired of these videos where people say that Kokichi is the best character but don't really explain why, also say the 5th trial of v3 is the best because of Kokichi... I always saw Kokichi as a character who is so "interesting" and "complicated" but actually just edgy, lazily written, bland and overrated by the fandom.
And, regarding Celeste, I was confused by people saying her trial is one of the worst and her plan was bad compared to Kokichi's. Like, no, it wasn't?! Celeste is a far better liar AND character than Kokichi, because she has a clear motive, isn't as in your face with her lies and actually has an interesting backstory that explains her actions unlike Kokichi. I was glad I'm not the only one thinking this and someone finally acknowledged this in their video.
So yeah, thank you for this and your other video essays because now I have something to comfort me and something to rewatch on a daily basis
I feel like unreliability can add to a character, but it shouldn't be used as a crutch to imply something deep about a character without earning it
Unreliability doesn't excuse shitty characterization, shitty characterization is still shitty
I've always just assumed Kokichi was lying after a certain point, like there was no point in debating it over. With Celeste, you never knew if she was out right lying and you never had any reason to think she was.
I've heard someone say that every time Kokichi lies he makes everyone else around him dumber, that's a pretty accurate statement.
Aeris caught in 30K
This seems like it'll be a fun video, as someone that loves the character, I can't wait to see these criticisms c:
I know how some elements of the fandom can be, I hope you don't receive too much harrassment and all that other fun stuff
I found the idea of Angie as a rival really interesting, so I can't wait to see this one
Even though i haven’t played danganronpa v3
In years, I still agree with you.
@@questionking2340 do you mean why?
@@questionking2340 because Peko sliced his eye accidentally during her execution
28:28 I agree so much. Literally when I played the game and Kokichi pulled that spride out while saying he is the mastermind I just started laughing. It looks like something a 14 year old would draw for his "kokichi creepypasta (wery crepy)." This guy has FIVE different sprides to smile like a creep. FIVE! Two of which are terrible (the creepypasta one and the one where he is black and white), two I enjoy (The standard one and the one where he looks "realistic") and one that just sort of exists (The one after the second trail).
Nagito didn't just have one creepy smile, but I also find his normal, default smile REALLY uncomfortable. His dead, gray eyes looking into my soul with his calm, kinda empty smile while looking like Makoto gives me 10 times more chills then the.. "Creeeeeepy kokichi creeeeepy" smile.
Really great video, keep it up! You changed my view on Kokichi completely. Before I thought he was just kind of boring, but I never gave much thought into how bad he actually is. I will come back to this video probably every once in a while, so know that you gave me something. I hope that makes your mental struggles you had during the video a bit better.
3:17 I think the characters should get good development in the main story, AND the free time events. So people will be more interested in them in the first place.
These were amazing videos and perfectly pointed out all the stuff wrong with Kokichi. He always felt off to me but I never knew why I disliked him, and it’s great that someone could articulate exactly why he’s horribly written. Well worth the wait and all the effort you must have put into this really paid off
TBF about Your Turn to die its obviously on a much tighter budget and doesn't have the time to flesh out the characters in the way you want here. It only has the 3 chapters to tell its story and I feel like as it is now is good without free time events. Free time events wouldn't really make sense anyways within the context of YTTD. That being said if you did want to see the characters of YTTD in a more (slightly) stress free environment, I would recommend Your turn to shine. Its way more light hearted and all of it is more character without any real deaths, its a lot like the side modes in each danganronpa game. Honestly I prefer YTTD over Danganronpa because of how much better the characters are for me, but I understand you not wanting to play further because of trauma. Sadly you missed out on an even better Liar character then Celeste and Kokichi combined in chapter 2. I would recommend you read Sou's wiki if you dont feel like playing. Also can you please remove the Joe spoiler at 3:29? Danganronpa spoilers are fine and while completely obvious some people might not know what happens to Joe in chapter 1 and I wouldn't want that to be ruined for them.
Also the game uses the sense of normalcy through Chapter 2 and 3 as a way of making you connect to some characters before death which is what I thought the Free time events were also for. You understandably wouldn't know because you can't play any further. For those who can I would recommend you play through the game, It gets a lot better after Chapter 1 I swear. Its only like 10 or so hours long up to the point the game is at now.
I agree, with only having 3 chapters, the game manage to make every characters memorable to me, even the ones who died early never got forgotten like Danganronpa did to some characters, so imo YTTD is much better than Danganronpa.
As someone who fuckin' loves Kokichi...yeah I agree with just about everything that was said XD
I like watching the funny little panta man say words, and he's probably responsible for about a solid fifth of my laughs in V3. But as an actual character? I had about fifteen other options to get emotionally invested in and then cry when they died. Kokichi to me is a comic relief villain and I wouldn't have him any other way...except with maybe a shred of solid backstory.
10/10 would toss in a hydraulic press again 👍
that's entirely valid! as i said, i personally can't stand him, but i'm glad that others can find enjoyment in him
"10/10, would toss in a hydraulic press again"😆😆😆
kokichi could have been great. he could have been a unique antagonist who uses his lying to try and make him untrustworthy in the eyes of everyone to then later go onto use his horrible reputation to use a case in an interesting way in order to manipulate his plan. but nope! let’s get him killed for his idea of self sacrifice to end the killing game by making an unsolvable murder that’s almost an exact copy of nagitos plan to see hope survive. if chapter 4 was written differently like gonta switching avatars with kokichi and miu getting executed instead, it could have been better to see how the trial would play along and how kokichi would react next, to see he still got them murdered in a way, but not a unredeemable way that makes no sense to his true plan as pretending to be the mastermind.
Im interested in this video. I've always thought part of Celeste's character is that she was a poor liar despite her successes at gambling
I hate how people describe kokichi as uwu soft boy
19:37 y'could kinda argue monokuma did this in the first game when sakura offed herself. since he couldnt execute a corpse, he went and turned alter ego into a Fucking Sphere
Honestly, considering the twist of V3, I feel like Kodaka got tired of people comparing his villains to the Joker and Harley Quinn.
So, Kodaka made a character who is the shallowest version of the Joker, an agent of chaos, and put him with the trope "Draco in Leather Pants" because, as we all know, if someone thinks a character is hot, they want them redeemed so fantasies can continue guilt free, regardless of the redemption quality. I mean, we know what happened with Rey-lo.
12:21 just incase anybody wants to listen to this like me
Edit- aeris you need to make that "hello everybody hon hon hon I'm a liar" into a video that is the first time I have legit laughed in a year so good for you
Thank you I agree so much that made me die laughing
Hello, as a Kokichi fan I deeply agree that he is very flawed and badly written. This video as well as part 1 had helped me gain more insight due to the fact that I have been wanting to rewrite his character for an AU of mine and give him more depth and humanity. I feel like he was wasted potential and could have been more if done well. It deeply saddens me how he was written in canon. It has also see Angie in a deeper light for I felt like she could have been a better rival in V3.
Thank you for making these videos and I'm deeply sorry you had gone through a mental breakdown over them. Please make sure you take care of yourself and get plenty of rest.
You put more sonic music at the end of this and now I have to share my ideas for a sonic killing game and I am perfectly fine with the comment section calling me cringe I don't care.
Location: space colony arc
Participants:
Silver: protagonist/ Ultimate Psychic
Blaze: Fake-out partner/Ultimate princess
Vector: real partner after blaze's murder or execution/ Ultimate Detective
Dr.Eggman : Rival/ Ultimate scientist
Sonic: Ultimate runner
Tails: Ultimate pilot or inventor
Knuckles: Ultimate treasure hunter
Amy: Ultimate Clairvoyant (I used the fact that she can read tarot cards to justify this)
Cream: Ultimate Chao breeder
Big: Ultimate Fisherman
Charmy: Ultimate florist( purely because he's aa bee and I couldn't think of anything else)
Espio: Ultimate Ninja
Shadow: Ultimate life form ( I'm sorry I had to😂)
Rouge: Ultimate Spy
Tangle: Ultimate Athlete
Whisper: Ultimate Sharp shooter (she has a gun this was the best I could do)
Enforcers for Monokuma similar to Mono-beasts:
Zavok: controlled with Cacophonic Conch and forced to control the Robots: Freed in chapter 5 to help stop Monokuma
Metal sonic: incapacitated in chapter 1
E-123 Omega Heavily damaged in chapter 2
Gemerl: incapacitated in chapter 3
Heavy King: Destroyed in chapter 4
Explosive wristbands: I only have these involved because I need the characters to not be able to end the killing game with thier powers.
Idea for the mastermind: Mephiles The Dark, Eggman Nega, Infinite, Dr.Starline, Junko Enoshima ( I'm only half joking with this last one because even when it doesn't make sense she has to be the bad guy)
I only thought of one execution and it's shadow getting launched out of the arc in an escape pod into the sun by Monokuma dressed as Maria.
celeste ran for kokichi to walk
And Kokichi still fell flat on his face somehow
Yeah, I agree. Even though Celeste was a liar, she was actually a pretty enjoyable character. While I still have the urge to punch her, at least it's because of something she could have said to get under my skin. Now Kokichi is someone that I just wanna punch to shut up.
another garbage thing about kokichi is his talent, he literally lied to get into hopes peak making him talentless since his so called organization only had ten godamn members
I still to this day believe he lied about his talent and he’s probably just the ultimate leader or something smaller then supreme leader
It would make more sense because he wanted to say supreme to get more powered leverage
@@soupiaaa how would that work,though? Monokuma called Kokichi The Ultimate supreme leader in his motive video.
@@CharaDreemurrfan oh really oh ok
kokichi is the conflict character. People only love him because he cause conflicts. That he does very well, and a story needs conflict to be good. But without conflict, kokichi is nothing. And also, i'm really sorry for the sexual abuse you been into and i hope you're okay. Great video, and i hope(lol) to see more videos like that with other characters you like. One question: how would you fix Kokichi?
I know this question isn't to me, but how I would fix Kokichi's character is :
- Don't just make him know things without an explanation (Like what Aeris explained in the videos).
- Don't make his character all about him saying "Nee-heehee! It's a lie!"
- Not really related to fixing his character, but it would have been better for him to have a rivalry with Kaede than Shuichi. They have something going for them once you do their free-time events in chapter 1.
- Make him have friendships, maybe??? Like, I would LIVE for a Tenko and Kokichi friendship, don't @ me.
@@justagray-ace2787 a tenko and kokichi friendship would be funny lol
@@arthurdias6860 Agreed! :)
@@justagray-ace2787 also, adding onto the kaede kokichi rivalry, i remember this being brought up somewhere on the internet, but a kokichi and angie rivalry. they both want to end the killing game, but in different ways. angie wants to end the killing game by destroying any motive to get out, while kokichi wants to actually escape. they’re aiming for the same goal and have very different approaches to achieve that goal. i feel like that would be a lot more interesting then the maki/kaito rivalry.
i would also like for kokichi to either be an irredeemable character, or for his redeemability to gradually build as the game progress, especially while he starts to trust his classmates more if that happens at all. i dislike how they pulled a “oh yea he just wanted everyone to escape lol” without any build up at the end. it kinda brushes aside every other attempt other characters have made at ending the killing game, like angie, kaede, rantaro, etc etc, and (mainly) kiibo and shuichi who actually ended the killing game.
@@sxvxrxlx1864 I agree with your comment! Also, if you are interested (unless you've already read this drv3 fic), you can check out this fanfiction on the website "Archive Of Our Own" called "I'd Trade My Life For Yours" where Kaede keeps her role as the protag and lives past her trial. What happens with Shuichi, then? Well...uh...you should read for yourself, despite it not exactly being a spoiler. The only downside of the fic is how the ship Oumota (Kokichi x Kaito) gets rubbed in your face most of the time. Other than that, it's good!
The Gmod moments are comedy gold
I actually thought up a reality show type series where Kokichi only lies once so far just to get out of a challenge, this time using other methods to screw with people.
I.E, he teams up with Nagito to steal Junko's heels to annoy Maki at a movie theater.
I felt like Celeste's plan was half-assed. As much as she was billed as the "Queen of Lies", she's exposed pretty easily. I suspected her right off. As much as I loved Celeste and her character, I felt like Ch 3 made her seem like an imbecile; it's too obvious how much she leads everyone around.
I hate Celeste, but goddamn do I love her writing. She's so *evil* and like, calmly evil. I can't believe she lied about *Taka* like that, though... damn.
I SPENT LIKE TEN MINUTES TRYING TO FIND THIS COMMENT because it finally put into words how i feel about taka himself - i don't jive with him at all but his writing and potential are great
I remember seeing this beautiful comment on a video by Derpy Hiro on how he would change the survivors of the first game and man… this one comment by a user named SpiritofChaos really made me respect taka more as a character and how he just fit into the theme of despair.
Here’s the comment:
“Oops. You ever just love a character so much you accidentally write a freaking novel about their death? This is super long and I’m sorry but golly I wanted to talk about my fav DR character.
I think Taka’s death is the only one in the series that legit wrecked me. It is honestly perfect in how utterly horrible it is in every way. It feels like his whole ark is designed to screw with him and my god it works so terribly well.
Taka tries so hard throughout the game. Literally NOTHING he does is done halfheartedly; he’s always passionate, he’s always determined, he’s always bold and unforgettable. Taka always pushed everyone to be better and, even if his methods weren’t always tactful, his intent was always pure. Taka probably tries the hardest out of anyone to keep everything in order.
His FTE’s show that, because of his intensity, he’s never been able to make friends. So, when he DOES finally make a friend, he falls into that relationship with the same passion he does with everything else. It’s clear that he deeply respects Mondo, likely because Mondo works hard and has morals despite his role as a gang leader
. They're two of the hardest working characters I think, as neither of their skills are natural talent. Characters like Leon don't struggle to be great at what they do, but it's clear that both Taka and Mondo work themselves to the bone to be Ultimates
Taka’s ark is designed to utterly destroy his optimism and hope. He’s given his first friend, only to watch him be brutally murdered. Not only that, but Taka has to realize that his only friend was a killer, someone who brutally murdered an innocent who came to him for help.
For someone with such a black and white view on morality, to see a man who you think is so great do something so evil is mind shattering. It’s clear that Taka can’t face that reality, and so he utterly blames himself. I think Taka likely felt like he’d failed Mondo, that he was somehow responsible for his death. Just like Mondo with Diya, Taka carried the guilt of his brother’s death.
To see such a bold character as Taka become so utterly muted and silent is horrific. Just like Junko wanted, Taka’s hope and idealism is utterly shattered. He no longer believes in his morals because his black and white view on morality has been challenged and defeated by Mondo’s gray morality. He no longer believes in the concept that effort triumphs all because he tried his best to save Mondo and failed. He no longer believes in his own integrity because he feels responsible for Mondo’s death.
When I played the game, I was legit furious with the cast regarding how they treated Taka post chapter 2. It was so clear that he was DESPERATELY in need of help. He was utterly catonic and clearly hadn’t eaten since the trial. Despite that though, only Hiro and Makoto make even the barest efforts to help Taka. Even then, they honestly don’t do much for him.
For the first time, Taka was in need of the utter passion he gave to everyone else. He needed someone who was determined to bring out the good in him, even if he himself wasn’t invested. In that moment, Taka needed his own Taka, someone to force him to take care of himself and be better. But in reality, Taka is alone. Nobody is as bold and brazen as Taka is. The only one who could match that energy was Mondo and, with Mondo gone, nobody has the passion to help him.
To just add insult to injury, he was even killed in a mocking way. He was murdered with a ‘justice’ hammer because he was accused of a horrid crime. For the Moral Compass, there is no worse death than to die accused of rape and then bludgeoned with a tainted symbol of justice.
I feel like Taka’s death reflects how totally he fades. I’m biased because he’s my fav, but I think Taka’s the least mourned over victim. Sayaka is mourned by Makoto, Chihiro is mourned by Mondo, Sakura is mourned by Hina. Hell, Hina also sheds a few tears for Hifumi last minute. In comparison, Taka is somewhat ignored. Even in the trial, it’s Hifumi, not Taka, who gets the focus.
As horrible as it is, it’s fittingly despair inducing for such a loud and bold character to be ultimately ignored and forgotten the second he goes quiet. The only part I dislike is the whole Kiyondo thing, but I think it also has value. It’s like a twisted, self destructed version of what Taka once was, like he attempted to pull himself together with false hope and created an abomination of personality.
All that being said...MAN I still wish that Hiro and Taka had swapped places! Taka was such a great character and I would have LOVED to see him raise above his loss and reclaim hope. Imagine how COOL trial 3 would be if Taka was accused instead. It would make sense to frame him; he'd clearly gone insane after the Mondo incident. He was always obsessed with morals so him dressing as Robo Justice would be somewhat in character. With his sudden personality shift, would it be too far of a stretch to say Taka did kill Hiro and Hifumi? Even those two victims makes sense, as they could both be seen as degenerates; Hiro makes a living off of scams and psychic ability while Hifumi’s a total creep. I’m not saying they’re bad people, but I could see Celeste claiming Taka thinks they’re bad people.
Further, would Taka be able to deny the argument? Would he remember his time as Kiyondo and, if he did, would he trust his memory. It would definitely be interesting to have to convince Taka himself that he isn’t the culprit.
Alas, that's all too hopeful for that part of the game.
Instead, Taka is utterly crushed both metaphorically and literally. It reminded me of The Metamorphosis by Franz Kafka; both characters worked hard for those they felt responsible for, but when they needed help, they were ignored and eventually destroyed and discarded”
@@AmiboW this is art in form of comment