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  • Professional weapons experts rate combat scenes from movies to judge how real they are.
    Archery expert Grizzly Jim rates 10 bow-and-arrow scenes from popular TV shows and movies, such as "The Hunger Games" starring Jennifer Lawrence.
    Professional swordsman Dave Rawlings looks at 10 fight scenes featuring longswords and daggers, such as "The Witcher" starring Henry Cavill, and rates them based on their historical and technical accuracy.
    Tobias Capwell is the curator of arms and armor at The Wallace Collection in London and looks at medieval weapons and armor scenes from movies, such as "The Lord of the Rings," and rates them based on their historical accuracy.
    Nunchuck expert and stuntwoman Thekla Hutyrova rates 11 nunchuck scenes in movies and television for realism, such as "Enter the Dragon" starring Bruce Lee.
    Pole weapons expert Matt Easton rates nine polearm fight scenes in movies and TV, such as "Troy," for realism.
    Jousting world champion Shane Adams rates eight horseback fight scenes in movies and television, such as "Game of Thrones," for realism. Jinichi Kawakami is an expert practitioner of Kōka-ryū ninjutsu and rates nine ninja scenes, such as "Teenage Ninja Mutant Turtles," for accuracy.
    Kali weapons expert Jamie Yancovitz reacts to 11 fight scenes featuring traditional Filipino knives and stick weapons, such as "Captain America: The Winter Soldier" starring Chris Evans, and rates them based on their technical accuracy.
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  • @chaoss5
    @chaoss5 Před 8 měsíci +587

    I like the fact that Brave got a ten for realism. It's an animated kids movie and still they did the effort to make the shooting as real as possible.

    • @mikhailarutyunyan4126
      @mikhailarutyunyan4126 Před 8 měsíci +23

      It's a fantastic film. Loved to watch it with my kid. In our time of special effects and deep fakes a cartoon that make an effort towards realism is delightful

    • @TranceF0rmation
      @TranceF0rmation Před 8 měsíci +20

      Easier to animate perfect form after tons of team research than it is to teach an adult actor within time of production

    • @CalamityCain
      @CalamityCain Před 8 měsíci +22

      @@TranceF0rmation True, but it's mostly about caring about the realism of the archery in your product. The team behind Brave clearly wanted a realistic style of archery while in the newer Robin Hood film it was just supposed to look cool. Not to say it's not efficient. But the point was it looking badass and action-y.

    • @TranceF0rmation
      @TranceF0rmation Před 8 měsíci +2

      @@CalamityCain agreed. I'm just saying I'm know there are people just as passionate and detail oriented in live action production if not more but sometimes scenes just come down to the best take they can get for the day.

    • @korinoriz
      @korinoriz Před 8 měsíci +3

      @@TranceF0rmation I mean most people tear animation apart for being "unrealistic" both naturally and in similar realism critique videos. "You just draw the piano animation how did they get it wrong", when it's because they're also on a schedule and it's a tiny detail.

  • @kevinnorwood8782
    @kevinnorwood8782 Před 9 měsíci +250

    Will never forget one of these expert’s words about Jennifer Lawrence in the Hunger Games: “She is responsible for getting more young girls interested in archery than any other actress.”

    • @Jayy__22
      @Jayy__22 Před 8 měsíci

      no idea who davis is so ratiod@@kevinfox500

    • @ShiroiTenken
      @ShiroiTenken Před 8 měsíci +24

      ​@@kevinfox500This is a tad out of touch. Even if we were talking about American girls exclusively, I doubt an Olympic athlete would have more influence than an extremely popular actress playing the main heroine in an extremely popular movie based on, you guessed it, an extremely popular book trilogy. The youth just tend to watch AAA movies more readily than the Olympics.
      Not to mention the fact that we are not, in fact, talking about American girls only. Why would some girl from any other country (which would be most of Earth's population) care about the US Olympic team? All the while the Hunger Games were a massive international success.
      Look, I'm not trying to disparage your favourite Olympic archer (I have some of my own myself), but saying that an athlete of one singular country would be more influential than a main character of such a big franchise to the minds of young girls is plain unrealistic. Now, if we are talking about who would encourage American girls to train in archery seriously or decide to make a profession out of it, your pick might be right.

    • @ZanguSwe
      @ZanguSwe Před 8 měsíci +14

      ​@@kevinfox500while you're correct, pop culture has a bigger impact on people from all walks of life. Jennifer Lawrence might not have gotten actually good other than understanding where and how to grip and release, but again, like what was said above, an athlete, while being incredibly skilled, fundamentally holds less *overall* relevance than a huge international celebrity/actress. Davis accomplishments are certainly worthy of praise and should be accounted to perhaps an increase in interest of professional archery, but you can't deny that a regular girl would more likely see a hugely anticipated adaptation of a YA novel than the Olympics.

    • @niceguy1774
      @niceguy1774 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Why is that important?

    • @killingfreely
      @killingfreely Před 8 měsíci +8

      @@kevinfox500 The Geena Davis Institute praises Hollywood when they state that they have had exponential growth in female archery due to films like Brave, Hungergames, and Robinhood and that those films have sparked unprecedented interest. But either way, Historically, neither Davis nor Katnis come anywhere close to the inspiration from the Ancient Greek Goddess Artemis.

  • @Zoroasterisk
    @Zoroasterisk Před 8 měsíci +117

    23:04 - Cavil gets an 8, show gets a 4. Sounds about right

  • @Nick-rs5if
    @Nick-rs5if Před 8 měsíci +52

    "The trick is to try and no longer be holding the string" is the most beautiful description I've heard! 🤩

  • @MaverickBlue42
    @MaverickBlue42 Před 9 měsíci +40

    In the Mando's defense, he wasn't trained in fighting with a spear, he's just instinctively trying not to die.....

    • @ConservativeCommonSense
      @ConservativeCommonSense Před 4 měsíci +3

      I agreed. It was a weapon he was very recently given, never been used before let alone trained. Learning on his own by not dying 😅

    • @lawdogattorneyatlaw4886
      @lawdogattorneyatlaw4886 Před 2 hodinami

      right, as if spears aren't the most intuitive weapon there is

  • @HECKproductions
    @HECKproductions Před 8 měsíci +60

    saying archery is not about letting go but rather to no longer hold the string is brilliant

    • @gbresaleking
      @gbresaleking Před 8 měsíci +1

      I agree , and totally gonna incorporate that into my instinctive archery

    • @AjZ530
      @AjZ530 Před 8 měsíci +2

      that was literally the first thing I was taught. I think people think of the bow as a gun and the string as a trigger, where you pull it to shoot but really you pull it to load and just stop pulling it to shot

    • @WritesMe
      @WritesMe Před 3 měsíci

      I genuinely think that's going to make me a better archer.

    • @marty6945
      @marty6945 Před 17 dny

      If you haven't pulled on the bowstring before then this statement makes no sense.

  • @KyleCowden
    @KyleCowden Před 7 měsíci +46

    Had a friend before I went into the Army that was a champion with chucks. His flourishes were amazing and he entertained a lot of our parties. I asked how all that worked in a fight. He said, "It doesn't. I just walk up and WHACK!" 😂

  • @ArkaneStephanie
    @ArkaneStephanie Před 9 měsíci +43

    It's fully amazing how Army of Darkness, the movie set in the deserts of europe about a time traveling book and the worlds biggest chin, managed to get a ten. The other movies should be ashamed that this was one of the most realistic depictions out of them.
    Theres a damn car in it, I doubt this was aiming for extreme realism.

  • @MrHeems
    @MrHeems Před 8 měsíci +60

    I love Jinichi's boiled down description of ninjutsu. A special forces trained soldier, who specializes in espionage. That description perfectly describes the essence of the art for an American mind.

    • @MrHeems
      @MrHeems Před 8 měsíci +1

      All the training to be physically peak, and deadly with your attacks. Plus sneak, and charisma maxed to 100.

  • @lolly5657
    @lolly5657 Před 7 měsíci +28

    Love how you mentioned the double arm guard too 😂 I accept Hawkeyes skill with a bow as a superpower. He was trained by clowns and hes that good. He has powers

  • @Mista_Cassla
    @Mista_Cassla Před 3 měsíci +24

    This is such a interesting video, I didn't expect to be sitting here still a hour in lol.

    • @vipr1142
      @vipr1142 Před 2 měsíci +2

      I got a little bit annoyed with one of them complaining about swinging the spear.
      Swinging the spear works, I mean its not the best - but you can get pretty high power swinging a spear, especially with a big tip thats sharp.
      You could easily disembowel or end someone with a swing with a spear.

    • @user-dn9kk9qu5y
      @user-dn9kk9qu5y Před 2 měsíci

      YOU SUFFER FROM SIMPIN LOL

  • @jonathancapel3595
    @jonathancapel3595 Před 7 měsíci +7

    Narnia scene, expert says that the way Peter holds his sword makes it seem like he's never held a sword in his life. Seems like he didn't watch the movie because at this point, Peter is still new to even holding a weapon, so it would make sense for him to not know how to use it.

    • @et4278
      @et4278 Před 7 měsíci +1

      When they said that I actually said aloud "yeah thats the point". I wish they would give the experts just a little more context

  • @belcurve
    @belcurve Před 7 měsíci +63

    I LOVE the third guy. He's so knowledgeable about such a huge range of history and styles and techniques, and he also understands the art of storytelling, and that to tell a story sometimes you fudge details together to make a narrative work, like sauron with the huge mace that doesn't exist and only peasants would use anyway.
    I love that he knew the mechanics of the first diving gears, that they were made using the armorer, and like he knew that most chain mail used in the film industry has been big-loop woven textile straypainted silver. I could listen to him for hours.

    • @KingWesleyIV
      @KingWesleyIV Před 6 měsíci +3

      I happen to strongly dislike the third guy. He gave the GOT scene a 0 just because "it's dumb," effectively ignoring any thematic story telling, but gives the Sauron clip a 10, despite it also being historically inaccurate and unrealistic. He's just biased. Frankly he also doesn't seem to entirely understand how working ore works, as yes, they do in-fact liquify iron ore to purify it. The fact that refineries these days actually pump oxygen into liquid iron to further purify it is actually an extreme advancement of the process. I personally think he's a little full of himself and just wants to be biased for the sake of bias.

    • @stellviahohenheim
      @stellviahohenheim Před 6 měsíci

      nobody cares

    • @cryhavocandletslipthedogso1873
      @cryhavocandletslipthedogso1873 Před 6 měsíci

      @@stellviahohenheim 19 people care, so you're wrong

    • @ctakitimu
      @ctakitimu Před 5 měsíci

      Wasn't that the Witch King? I don't remember now it was so long ago. Also, maybe Valerian Steel works different which is why it could be cast?

  • @REZIX233
    @REZIX233 Před 8 měsíci +74

    44:12
    What I find most interesting about Sauron's loadout here is that in the books he is never shown to use any weapon besides his own bare hands. They very clearly based his look on his old master Melkor, including the mace (Melkor's was called Grond, Hammer of the Underworld)

    • @craigh5236
      @craigh5236 Před 8 měsíci +9

      Grond! Grond! Grond!

    • @BertBackemalm
      @BertBackemalm Před 7 měsíci +6

      Melkor is Morgoth.@@JayhawkJazzy

    • @Danny0dbert
      @Danny0dbert Před 6 měsíci +3

      Isn't the giant ram that breached the gate called grond aswell? Good little tidbit I didn't know thank you sir.

  • @agp11001
    @agp11001 Před 8 měsíci +6

    1:53:40 "I drive a chariot..."
    OF COURSE YOU DO.

  • @EgaoKage
    @EgaoKage Před 8 měsíci +21

    1:30:33 Brad Pit is actually struck in the face here by his opponent. You can see the rubber spear blade flex as it catches him in the face. So Pit's head whipping back like that is not just choreographing. That is a genuine reaction to be whipped in the face with a piece of rubber. That had to hurt insanely bad!

  • @lolly5657
    @lolly5657 Před 7 měsíci +6

    Few members of my archery team went to Brave. And that sigh of satisfaction at the release was audible. What a beautiful scene.

  • @jpotter2086
    @jpotter2086 Před 8 měsíci +4

    "The parody of fencing is better then the others" Nice.

  • @anapham4724
    @anapham4724 Před 7 měsíci +5

    Achilles destroying Hector shield is pretty much real if you put the context that Achilles is A Demi God with a extraordinary Strength

    • @ConservativeCommonSense
      @ConservativeCommonSense Před 4 měsíci

      That’s not the reason real reason is because it was part of the script. 😅

  • @Tekdruid
    @Tekdruid Před 9 měsíci +15

    4:40 Even more so than weight, the tennis ball would add a lot of _drag_ to the front of the arrow which aerodynamically speaking is a _Bad Thing™_ because it would make the arrow much less stable in flight. (Source: Kerbal Space Program)

    • @jesarablack1661
      @jesarablack1661 Před 8 měsíci

      And yet, they are a common feature in the real world in various forms of mock combat because they slow the arrow and dull the impact so that you are not firing a lethal projectile, while still benefiting from general accuracy etc (as long as you have practiced with them)

  • @bubba200874426
    @bubba200874426 Před 8 měsíci +7

    Nunchaku are no longer illegal in California. The only US state where they continue to be illegal is Massachusetts.

  • @MBrulla
    @MBrulla Před 7 měsíci +5

    The spear used in Mandalorian was made of Beskar, which is an incredibly light material in SW lore.

  • @nerd26373
    @nerd26373 Před 9 měsíci +40

    These weapon masters are certainly well-versed at everything. Somehow we're learning new information about them.

    • @DisdainusMaximus
      @DisdainusMaximus Před 9 měsíci +4

      I'm not sure about the others in this video, but the British people in this video are verifiably incredibly well-versed on the subject.

    • @arkady0
      @arkady0 Před 9 měsíci +3

      @@DisdainusMaximus Does Toby Capwell count as British? He's American but a curator at the Royal Armoury in Leeds, also a jouster.

  • @tSp289
    @tSp289 Před 8 měsíci +25

    The weird part is IIRC in the books, the scene where the longsword Ice got made into two smaller swords was described in detail and was accurate and plausible:
    They had a fancy folded blade they didn't know how to recreate any more so they cut a V about halfway up, closed it up to make the point and hammered out the inside of the V to make a new tang on a second sword. The result was two shortish swords, one with a very broad blade an another slimmer.
    What they did not do was sit a sword in an open stone mold (bronze age?) until it somehow melted (made of wax?), thereby losing all the properties of Valyrian steel, then make the result into two sword shaped rods of cast iron and presumably then grinding it into shape?

    • @Indeciferable
      @Indeciferable Před 8 měsíci +1

      Writers can make any fantasy become reality in their telling

    • @tSp289
      @tSp289 Před 7 měsíci +4

      @@Indeciferable Only if no one watching knows how it works.
      Ditto for the golden crown scene. You could do that, if someone went and got a bellows, a crucible, some fire bricks, a lot of fuel and some tongs. Oh and probably a good half an hour or so.

    • @Indeciferable
      @Indeciferable Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@tSp289 It's a fantasy story where symbolism and other literary devices are more important that realism. Rule of cool wins in fantasy.

    • @tSp289
      @tSp289 Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@Indeciferable So why can’t the dragons shoot lasers? Lasers are cool

    • @Indeciferable
      @Indeciferable Před 7 měsíci +2

      @@tSp289 There's nothing stopping them from shooting lasers if the writers wanted them to.

  • @Rallylabs
    @Rallylabs Před 8 měsíci +4

    I was not expecting the Rambo grenade arrow to get a high realism score!

  • @charliedulin
    @charliedulin Před 8 měsíci +7

    Legolas is an Elf. He doesn't need a light draw weight to shoot that rapidly.

    • @ConservativeCommonSense
      @ConservativeCommonSense Před 4 měsíci

      They’re also quite a bit stronger and faster than humans. According to myth an Elvin bow can’t even be pulled back by a human.

    • @spaceghostnow4010
      @spaceghostnow4010 Před 2 měsíci

      ​@@ConservativeCommonSense weird considering they have essentially bird bones

  • @Crmsnraider
    @Crmsnraider Před 9 měsíci +15

    Good compilation, yet bring them back for new videos

  • @kdolo1887
    @kdolo1887 Před 8 měsíci +9

    11:22 - "There's a famous trick shot, but you're looking in a mirror..."
    Yeah, if only Hawkeye were on top of a building, maybe in a city full of skyscrapers with gleaming, shiny reflective glass facades, like New York City or something, and maybe if he were staring directly across the street as the camera pushed in, then yeah, maybe this shot would make sense.

  • @shrike113
    @shrike113 Před 8 měsíci +6

    Was quite sad that Toby didn’t do anything with A Knight’s Tale. Jousting or the armor.

    • @jacobwalsh1888
      @jacobwalsh1888 Před 8 měsíci +1

      Lord of the rings is less fantasy than a knights tale...

  • @ashedarke
    @ashedarke Před 9 měsíci +5

    I like this HEMA guy with the stache, spot on with his views in my opinion.

  • @PhantasmNohma
    @PhantasmNohma Před 8 měsíci +36

    Some years ago, the guy responsible for the kill bill coreography was invited to the local anime convention and he is the director of a swordsmanship school/troupe he called Kengido which is all about artistic samurai swordfight, he focuses more on forms and dynamic scenes than pure realism, and often works on movies and shows to depict fun samurai fights for the viewers. Yeah, it's not very realistic but they're usually a very nice experience for everyone to see.

    • @JohnHaugeland
      @JohnHaugeland Před 6 měsíci

      found the guy who needs to come on a video "how realistic was it" and explain that it's not supposed to be realistic

    • @jerkchickenblog
      @jerkchickenblog Před 6 měsíci +1

      kill bill was always garbage. anytime someone talks it up i could tell they were more interested in the cult of tarantino more than when he wrote well (only two movies honestly), and know nothing about martial arts obvi. Gordon Liu was so wasted in that film. I was so excited to see him in it and so sad while watching it

    • @HexenStar
      @HexenStar Před 6 měsíci

      @@jerkchickenblog My thoughts exactly.
      Tenfold more so when Hong Kong action cinema was already establishing a gold
      standard masterclass for anything martial arts choreography related - decades ago!
      After watching the Kim Maree Penn / Siu Wong Fan in "Death Games" or Cynthia Khan
      /Donnie Yen in "Line of Duty 4" - this whole "kill-bill" Uma Thurman sideshow circus is
      like a miserable combination between the embarrassing and disgusting.
      So unfortunate for Gordon Liu. He must've felt disappointed being relegated to something
      like this. He did get to have his proper (and sadly final) appearance with Joe Lewis in "Kill 'em all".

  • @scottrok13
    @scottrok13 Před 9 měsíci +18

    In the book for First Blood sequel, the arrow shafts were filled with C4, with a small tips with tiny contact detonators. Way more realistic than that “cone for making wood tinder” monstrosity used in the movie😂

  • @eldonstrackeii7892
    @eldonstrackeii7892 Před 8 měsíci +11

    Never seen Narnia, but A) I doubt a wolf is going to try and take your sword away, and B) A good weapon against an animal attack is a spear, as it allows you to better keep claws and fangs away while giving you a chance to impale on a charge (an animal tends to not parry or block as they charge in). Seems to me a fully extended blade with tip facing the animal is a fair approximation of a spear...

    • @masterofpuppers7963
      @masterofpuppers7963 Před 7 měsíci +6

      Well if I ever open my wardrobe and see a winter wonderland, I'm taking a 1911, a Winchester 64, and a KA-Bar.
      Silly kiddos went in hot without gearin' up.

    • @DidMyGrandfatherMakeThis
      @DidMyGrandfatherMakeThis Před 7 měsíci +2

      ​@@masterofpuppers7963I'm thinking absolutely at the minimum a couple of Molotov cocktails too, you know, if I need to melt some snow

    • @et4278
      @et4278 Před 7 měsíci

      Narnia is a fantasy movie... the animals don't act like animals.

  • @Sensko
    @Sensko Před 8 měsíci +8

    I like how the Ninja Vampire was very open about how pop culture exaggerates what the historical ninja were like.

    • @persona2grata
      @persona2grata Před 7 měsíci

      Ok so it wasn't just me. I kept wondering if he had chipped his teeth or something or if it was a deliberate attempt at fangs, because the effect is very "ninja vampire" lol.

  • @jeradw7420
    @jeradw7420 Před 7 měsíci +11

    The problem with the Mandalorian spear scene is the character didn't know how to use it as part of the story. While he is a trained warrior, his weapons were primarily ranged ones like the blaster, the rifle, and mini rockets so I am not surprised the fight wasn't how you should use a spear. Also, that spear was made out of the material in Star Wars that can't be cut by a light saber and is why the whole spear is that metal.

    • @vanVoltaire
      @vanVoltaire Před 7 měsíci

      Watching some experts explain things, kinda proves the point where some psychologists say that scientists, or experts are sometimes astonishingly close-minded when they enter slightly foreign territorry. They focus so much on what they know, they tend to ignore even obvious things they are not familiar with, sometimes even deny them. Like here with star-wars, you can see that spear starts to glow- so darksaber is energy weapon that, and would most likely vaporise any wood or other not-so-heat resistant material. Also he is ignoring the fact, that star wars is set in much higher technological advancement, and even nowadays we have titanium alloys, that are quite almost as "hard" as steel, while having advantage of being much lighter, and using different metal alloys you can achieve preferable weight balance.
      Knowledge is great benefit, but without constantly questioning mind, it's very easy to lose yourself thinking you know everything.

  • @django3422
    @django3422 Před 8 měsíci +65

    I always enjoy watching these and it's really interesting getting that expert insight into the authenticity, practicality and realism.
    That said, I really love how nearly all the experts touch on and Rawlings explicitly states that realism is not the be-all in film, especially fantasy and such, and that EXPRESSION is often more important. Sure, the fight scene might raise eyebrows in HEMA circles but it helps tell the story and that's more important.
    I'd love to see a few of the fight choreographers get involved and breakdown what the fight scene is communicating, how effective it is at it and coming at it from that angle.

    • @spdcrzy
      @spdcrzy Před 8 měsíci +1

      Also, HEMA isn't the end-all and be-all in swordfighting - nor is Japanese or Chinese swordfighting. Arguably the most effective swordfighting techniques were actually developed first in India, where the highest quality (true) crucible steel was developed centuries before HEMA even existed. Kalaripayattu, the world's first true martial art, incorporated both hand-to-hand combat as well as bladed and hafted weapons. And it was, from the outset, designed to kill. And it's INCREDIBLY effective.

    • @Naptosis
      @Naptosis Před 8 měsíci +5

      ​@@spdcrzy​India doesn't count, they were doing such ludicrous blade work, even in the era of gunpowder, that it's not fair. Think about the lowly punch-dagger as a weapon; it's deadly effective.
      Now look at the Indian katar. That's just not cricket. Terribly poor sportsmanship being able to defend oneself against the redshirts.

    • @spdcrzy
      @spdcrzy Před 8 měsíci

      @@Naptosis LOL.

  • @wills.8662
    @wills.8662 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Hawkey is a mutant and doesn't know it that's why he is 10/10

  • @liamroarke7991
    @liamroarke7991 Před 9 měsíci +4

    I'm a simple man. I see Dave Rawlings, I watch it.

  • @Fleato
    @Fleato Před 7 měsíci +4

    you missed the bit in the last jedi where rey is fighting the dual weild guy and she blocks an attack but suddenly the second dagger is missing, cause if it was there she would be wide open with that dagger pointed right at her gut.

  • @redirectiontime
    @redirectiontime Před 7 měsíci +3

    I don't know why he got on Black panther for spinning the spear in a big circle against multiple enemies, and then later said that it was a viable tactic.

  • @RsShortVids
    @RsShortVids Před 6 měsíci +18

    In my role within the film industry, our primary focus tends to prioritize aesthetic appeal and creative storytelling over strict adherence to historical accuracy and contextual fidelity. While I appreciate the discussions surrounding swordsmanship, it's important to remember that filmmaking is an art form where a degree of departure from reality is not only permissible but often necessary to captivate and engage the audience. Consequently, the use of exaggerated choreography often proves to be more compelling and visually stimulating than strict realism.

    • @keeganpolley1156
      @keeganpolley1156 Před 6 měsíci +1

      outright lying and extremely exaggerated scenes get you money, we caught that when you released braveheart...

    • @DrWhom
      @DrWhom Před 4 měsíci +1

      my favourite anecdote is how the director of A Perfect Storm commissioned Cambridge scientists to produce an accurate numerical simulation of the giant waves in a cat 2 Hurricane (it is the scene with the large cargo ship in trouble) - and what do giant waves do? they move... slowly... and two minutes of audience time watching a mass of water barely move was deemed not engaging enough
      and yet visual appeal and storytelling do not always excuse a bizarre lack of accuracy - you can sometimes be just as engaging with realistic representations

  • @MrHeems
    @MrHeems Před 8 měsíci +8

    Pole arm guy didn't get enough context for the suicide squad clip. The weapon was shown to be a double bladed pole arm essentially in previous scenes. Attacking with just the tip making contact, in a slashing motion would be an effective though highly skilled attack. The main problem with the realism of the weapon is the sheer mass it would have, would make it all but unwieldable for anything other than thrusts.

    • @macacofrito
      @macacofrito Před 8 měsíci +5

      it´s still shown to be a thrusting weapon, not a cutting one, except when harley needs to cut in a cool scene, a JAVELIN like the name of the guy is a throwing spear

  • @roentgen571
    @roentgen571 Před 7 měsíci +4

    One of the problems I see with putting "realism" ratings on lightsaber fight scenes is just....there's no way to do it. It's fantasy from start to finish. You have swords that simultaneously have blades with inertia, but no mass, that can cut through just about anything except each other, being wielded by people who can see what's going to happen before it does, enabling them to essentially have inhuman reflexes. There's nothing realistic about any of this, so trying to compare what some jedi/sith lords do with some real people swinging real longswords or katana around is going to fail just from the start. Kylo Ren makes wild, reckless blows with his lightsaber with little thought towards defense? Yeah, because he KNOWS ahead of time if he can make a powerful slash without keeping his guard up or if he needs to be more restrained because someone's going to try to cut his head off in the next half second. If I'm fighting four guys at once with a longsword, I have no idea who's attacking when. I need to see them DO it before I can start defending. It's not like that if you're Strong In The Force (tm).

    • @roentgen571
      @roentgen571 Před 7 měsíci

      Same sort of thing for judging the Witch-King's flail (isn't it actually a morning star?--I dunno, I understand the existence of flails as actual weapons used in the medieval period is questionable and most examples of such extant today in museums actually date from the Victorian era, and other evidence of them is from artwork done by people living hundreds or even thousands of years after the events depicted in the illustrations). Yeah, it's huge, with an unrealistically long chain. But the dude wielding it is someone called THE WITCH KING. He's a supernatural being of immense power. He rides a flying, four-footed eel, fer chrissakes. Trying to judge his depiction in "realism" terms is kinda ridiculous. The guy's a ghost, man. Saying "Oh, that thing he's doing there is totally unrealistic!" is a little silly. HE is totally unrealistic the second he enters the scene. Stick to giving these experts armor and weapons and tactics from Vikings and Braveheart to judge.

    • @ryeufatovic7839
      @ryeufatovic7839 Před 3 měsíci

      @@roentgen571 100% agree like how you diss Legolas for shooting fast when elves in LOTR are literal demigods lol like that could be a 250lbs bow it wouldnt matter to him he can see orcs take small hairy hobbits 20 leagues away to isengard and live forever and in the beginning they basically married into the greek pantheon, or in troy achlilles was one of the most powerful demigods in the ilad it could be said troy literally lost the war and their best warrior because they pissed in his cereal theres no way he wouldnt be able to snap a spear like a toothpick. also a morning star is a spiky mace a fail has a chain ( i had to double check as well so its not like its obvious lol)

  • @weijingburr2392
    @weijingburr2392 Před 8 měsíci +5

    Lookit how far we've come, from nobody being Allowed to be left handed in the middle ages, to can openers For left handed people. Humans always moving forward.

  • @chazzops
    @chazzops Před 7 měsíci +2

    honestly he has never used a spear before. so he is is well in context in his capabilities

  • @RevanAlaire
    @RevanAlaire Před 9 měsíci +5

    Some timestamps in the video would be nice.

  • @Dgn404
    @Dgn404 Před 2 měsíci

    This is the best channel I have stumbled upon in years. Every video I have seen so far has been fascinating!

  • @jalcome4201
    @jalcome4201 Před 9 měsíci +7

    Toby said wedge formation is effective. The Ditches guy said wedges are historical accurate, but heavily debated about their effectivness (implying it might just be written down for the legends and never actually used). So what is it

    • @jonathanweaver5310
      @jonathanweaver5310 Před 9 měsíci +8

      Heavily debated

    • @trueseeing
      @trueseeing Před 9 měsíci +4

      Effective at controlling a formation but very risky for the leader. Alexander's Companion cavalry used it to great effect but Alexander almost died alot.

    • @lwoods1940
      @lwoods1940 Před 3 měsíci

      If I remember correctly "ditch guy" was reacting to the scene in the Hobbit when Thorin's dwarves are running into battle and he mentions that it makes no sense as a formation on foot. He mentions that there is historical record of use in calvary charges, but yes it's debated how often ot was actually used historically. So I guess the contradiction has to do with the specific context of the battle.

  • @jasonneil4121
    @jasonneil4121 Před 8 měsíci +8

    Hawkeye's ability is that he never misses. Whatever he wants to hit, whether shooting or throwing, is exactly what he is going to hit unless the target is capable of intervening in some way.
    Legolas is an elf that has been training in archery and other forms of fighting for over 1000 years. Pretty sure he can do stuff that a normal archer couldn't.

    • @fapfapfap1892
      @fapfapfap1892 Před 5 měsíci

      Exactly. People have to remember that the characters are either superhuman or a part of a very longlived race that has more combat experience than all humans combined. These experts have to take it with a spoonful of salt.

  • @culturedcritters
    @culturedcritters Před 7 měsíci +1

    The Witch King's flails is a chandelier with a handle.

  • @jrnewts7790
    @jrnewts7790 Před 9 měsíci +8

    I reckon I could listen to the Archer fella all day long haha. So interesting.

  • @joeyreliford705
    @joeyreliford705 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Dave has a fantastic mustache.

  • @holzlastname1976
    @holzlastname1976 Před 8 měsíci +2

    The armor shown is freaking amazing ❤

  • @TheThybroven
    @TheThybroven Před 19 dny +1

    Brother bruised from elbow to the tip of his thumb on a 70-pound pull recurve. He got lucky he didn't break his arm, it did everything in the book.

  • @TheNakant
    @TheNakant Před 8 měsíci +1

    Dudeeeee....no sidekicks or Dragon Tiger Gate for the Nunchucks part? Come on Insider!!!

  • @WarDotZom
    @WarDotZom Před 7 měsíci +1

    one of those videos that takes me ten minutes to realize its not a 10 minute video. lol

  • @symbolsarenotreality4595
    @symbolsarenotreality4595 Před 8 měsíci +3

    Awesome. That was really entertaining and informative.

  • @kylenyce8198
    @kylenyce8198 Před 9 měsíci +448

    is this just a compilation of all the old videos we have all seen?

  • @PuckTheFenguins
    @PuckTheFenguins Před 7 měsíci +6

    "Nobody is allowed to be left handed in the middle ages" Lol i didnt know that, have to do some google searching now... "You can get run over by a horse in full plate armor and be fine.... I've seen it happen" Jeez was not expecting that lol

  • @XGlamdringX
    @XGlamdringX Před 21 dnem

    Toby's breakdowns are so entertaining, love seeing him in this content. More!

  • @sbc_specter
    @sbc_specter Před 8 měsíci +4

    55:04
    The Romans did use rectangular shields (Scutum). What is he talking about?

    • @jesarablack1661
      @jesarablack1661 Před 8 měsíci +1

      That guy just makes wild assertions with no basis in fact left and right
      Like claiming that during El Cid's lifetime there were no 2-handed swords, one of his Named Swords (Tizona) was known to be capable of being wielded 2-handed (though it was normally used in one), and two-handed swords among the celts and germans are noted in Roman records. So while they would have been uncommon, and the depiction of his sword was poor, his information to refute it was wrong.

    • @markgrehan3726
      @markgrehan3726 Před 12 dny

      I think he's good on this as the context as he states is Medieval rather than Roman.

  • @jeffhowell5629
    @jeffhowell5629 Před 8 měsíci +2

    A slap to the throat, a kick to the crotch, a punch to the center of the chest, a pinch to the nose, gouge the eyes, a fistful of dirt in the face all of these are disabling

  • @NvRb4NeWnAr
    @NvRb4NeWnAr Před 7 měsíci +3

    Chinese Daos that are on a polearm are generally held closer to the blade than on the opposite end, mainly because of how heavy the blade is and how it shifts the center of balance on the weapon further forward. That's the reason why he didn't utilize the full reach of the weapon like if he had been using a spear. It is very difficult, if not humanly impossible, to lift a Dao like that by holding up the opposite end of the pole.

  • @donbernhardt2424
    @donbernhardt2424 Před 9 měsíci +2

    By the way, an archer's paradox is having two mallards in your quiver

  • @tigerclaw234
    @tigerclaw234 Před 9 měsíci +8

    In Ancient times it was rumored (some fact, I'm unsure) that that some archers could reach distances upto 170m but more realistic distance would be 50m - 100m. Ancient javelin throwers could get to upto about 100m but realistic distance would be 5m - 50m (depends on spear length, weight & balance). Axe throwers could get upto 80m but more realistic distance would be 1m - 20m.
    Just my opinion through some research comparing modern vs ancient

    • @Jandiss
      @Jandiss Před 9 měsíci +3

      there is a point to be made about effectiv distance, ofc you can always throw/shoot faster, but after a certain point there is not enough momentum left in a Projectile to do any meaningful dmg. Which is to say, yes you can shoot an Arrow 150m + it's actually not that hard, but depending on the Bow used, around a 100m is the effectiv distance for the Projectile to still have the momentum to pierce a target.

    • @peterp4k
      @peterp4k Před 8 měsíci +3

      170m is absolutely no big deal for an archer. In modern Korean traditional archery they shoot at a target that's 145m away at bows with poundages as low as 35#. Men use about 55#. Even on my 55# bow if I arc it for distance, I can reach like >250m. The furthest recorded shot with any type of bow was 2,047 yards (1,871.84m) by Harry Drake in 1983 using a fiberglass footbow. The furthest with a hand-held - and pulled - bow is 1,336 yds 1′ 3″ (1,222.01m) , shot by Don Brown with an unlimited conventional Flight bow in 1987.

    • @casthedemon
      @casthedemon Před 8 měsíci +2

      Axe throwing is a modern sport. Neither historical nor practical. You'd never throw your axe in combat.

    • @Jandiss
      @Jandiss Před 8 měsíci

      @@casthedemon honestly never say never i'm certain it happened, and if just as a distraction.

    • @casthedemon
      @casthedemon Před 8 měsíci

      @@Jandiss yeah lmao. I was exaggerating. But in general, no you would not want to give up a weapon and give it to the enemy. Axes also aren't meant for throwing. You're most likely not going to hit on the edge side. So the most you'd throw it for was if you had 2 weapons already and are just trying to make an opening for another attack with your other weapon or to make a retreat. But I'd still say it's better to hang onto it unless you're in close quarters. In which case throwing it may give a slight surprise advantage. Also depends on if your opponent is armored. If he is, then you'd be extra stupid for throwing it since a thrown axe isn't penetrating armor.

  • @CajunReaper95
    @CajunReaper95 Před 6 měsíci +2

    The fact an animated movie got archery right is amazing!

  • @Legacysong2012
    @Legacysong2012 Před 7 měsíci +4

    For the nunchucks, they should have used Splinter’s scene from the climax of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles instead. For the horse riding combat, the John Wick one, for an example of how it is possible to do the side of the horse trick without a trick saddle, in the Mexican-American war, Ulysses S Grant in one battle did that when delivering a message to prevent the sharpshooters from having a clear shot at him.

  • @VV33dm4n
    @VV33dm4n Před 9 měsíci +2

    Give you a little sting??? I couldnt move my left arm for a week after the first full day of shooting a bow.

  • @MrMdb81
    @MrMdb81 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Those first couple seconds of Robin Hood here finally convinced me to actually go watch it!

  • @ManMang0
    @ManMang0 Před 8 měsíci +1

    I was waiting to see the opening scene of Gladiator in the Archery section, great picks though, I understand the list is endless of what could be covered

  • @stevenschwartzhoff1703
    @stevenschwartzhoff1703 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Releases for compound bows were not particularly common until the 90s.

  • @Danny0dbert
    @Danny0dbert Před 6 měsíci

    Im glad the second guy harped on turning your back while fighting. One of my biggest pet peeves in sword fights.

  • @Leftyotism
    @Leftyotism Před 9 měsíci +4

    Matt Easton!

  • @kd5nrh
    @kd5nrh Před 8 měsíci +4

    Archery experts: have literally any opinion
    Lars Andersen: I'll prove you all wrong, and then I'll do it again blindfolded while jumping over my couch

  • @captainptmb334
    @captainptmb334 Před 19 dny

    "There isn't a higher-caliber sword." Best line ever!

  • @cloudstone123
    @cloudstone123 Před 9 měsíci +4

    The Kylo Ren/Rey team fight, there is no point to Kylo swinging a lightsaber so hard other than his anger. It would not make his attacks more powerful because mass of the blade is not an issue like with a real sword.

  • @captainkirkmusic
    @captainkirkmusic Před 21 dnem

    Liking and commenting because you guys decided to make a 2-hour video knowing it wasn't going to pay very much. I really appreciate it

  • @toodlescae
    @toodlescae Před 7 měsíci +1

    At least I know he was right at first about The Princess Bride scene being the best movie fencing scene ever. Everyone says so. Can't believe he didn't give it a 10/10.

  • @manricobianchini5276
    @manricobianchini5276 Před 4 měsíci

    I absolutely love this guy, the medieval expert! He rocks! He is fair and brutally honest. It's refreshing. 😊

  • @bmafirebirdstudios
    @bmafirebirdstudios Před 3 měsíci +1

    I appreciate the efforts of all involved, I applaud their virtuosity - experts all (in their own right). That said, the issue I always have with such commentary is unchecked ego. Speculations, the assumptions which lead to certain critical assertions, the notion that one's body of experiential knowledge or knowledge of history is "exhaustively comprehensive"
    (etc), does some small disservice even if unintentional. I understand that this was done in the spirit of "fun" (to some degree), but critiques hold weight. Someone like Donnie Yen knows exactly how to use a specialized Chinese pole arm, but he also understands that it's a motion picture, and he isn't always responsible for choreography.
    It doesn't take a lot of time to lean into context just a bit, when we are giving commentary.
    But I digress, fun video to say the least.
    Keep up the fine work.❤🙏

  • @dougallwinship
    @dougallwinship Před 8 měsíci +1

    army of darkness 10/10 ... big props!

  • @mahrcheen
    @mahrcheen Před 8 měsíci +1

    I'd rather think that this left hand bow shooting scene in Rambo is just mirrored and someone in postproduction just missed it.

  • @brianthompson7130
    @brianthompson7130 Před 8 měsíci +2

    So you the one thing that kinda bugs me about these reviews is that these some of these people are judging these characters with super strength and shiz as if they were normal people not if the fight is realistic given the characters capabilities

  • @tigahstyle
    @tigahstyle Před 7 měsíci +1

    Someone at Insider is a TMNT fan and I'm into it.

  • @Sulmor85
    @Sulmor85 Před 7 měsíci +1

    All of them in one video? It's Chistmas already?

  • @michaelschneider5682
    @michaelschneider5682 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Man i thought for sure the BOWMAN woulda for sure picked a better hobbit lotr scene the BLACK ARROW comes to mind and bard using his son as part of the bowsbrace known as THE WIND LANCE man i quite enjoyed that scene and movie

  • @whiskeyyum1341
    @whiskeyyum1341 Před 8 měsíci

    The “Vault” - -
    Therapy for Steve!!! (smiles)

  • @2014TG
    @2014TG Před 8 dny

    The lady at the end was probably the worst one to listen to without wanting to turn the video off,
    The rest of the experts did amazing and insight and fun and knowledgeable about the movies and scenes and history.

  • @KeananDay
    @KeananDay Před 7 měsíci +1

    lady at 2:20:00 legit said that a rolled up newspaper is a powerfull weapon

  • @ravnor874
    @ravnor874 Před 8 měsíci +1

    "Nobody used rectangualr shields....I mean that is ridiculous. It`s stupid." Roman Empire: "Am I a joke to you?"

    • @virginielekiwi
      @virginielekiwi Před 3 měsíci

      Yes! That expert is full of himself, I don't like his vibe. Rectangular shields have been a thing at some point in history. Asterix authors did their research to represents the roman army.

  • @moonlightsoldier8443
    @moonlightsoldier8443 Před 8 měsíci +1

    Also when im drawing the arrow im twisting the arrow to knock point feeling for the knock point as the knock arrow has a slight raised edge not sure why its there but it is handy when ether you cant see it or you need to fo it quick

  • @YouWantMyPancake
    @YouWantMyPancake Před 7 měsíci +1

    OMG ITS 2 HOURS LONG IS THIS HEAVEN?!

  • @redsmerf
    @redsmerf Před 7 měsíci +2

    1:00:20 Dwarves are art deco. Elves are art nouveau.

  • @gabby6313
    @gabby6313 Před 5 měsíci +1

    I was about to close the video, when the last one appeared and mentioned 'Filipino martial arts' OMG! My Filipino heart is happy our martial arts is represented well.

  • @pw.70
    @pw.70 Před 8 měsíci

    Thekla Hutyrova just reminds me so much of Alyson Hannigan, for some reason. I think it's the way she smiles and speaks, very Buffyesque!

  • @Joker66623
    @Joker66623 Před 9 měsíci

    Imagine it was filmed on the same day. You could go to the roughest place and feel safe.

  • @SuperJusSaiyan
    @SuperJusSaiyan Před 4 měsíci

    That kunai was awesome! I never even realised, of course that’s what they look like. Such a dynamic item.

  • @jubuttib
    @jubuttib Před 8 měsíci +2

    1:43:02 150 pound armor? Must be especially heavy jousting armor, a normal set of plate should weigh only like a third or a quarter of that. And a 2000 pound horse? Are they using massive draft horses for jousting?

    • @DMWyant
      @DMWyant Před 7 měsíci +2

      Yes. Persheron(sp) horses are massive and were originally bred for armored combat

    • @jubuttib
      @jubuttib Před 7 měsíci

      @@DMWyant From what I've read they weren't that size back then, but I guess everything has to be bigger these days. =)

  • @tigerclaw234
    @tigerclaw234 Před 9 měsíci +6

    With the mandolarian his character is more trained in ranged weapons than melee weapons, and he uses more short melee weapons than long ones, he's also facing off against some experienced in the use of his Saber

    • @LGBTQLegend
      @LGBTQLegend Před 8 měsíci +2

      No Mandalorians are trained to fight in ranged, melee, and hand to hand. You are correct that he was facing an experienced fighter though.

  • @Hellohallo
    @Hellohallo Před 8 měsíci

    That ninja at 02:05:00 sure gives off a vibe of experience.