Can Ex-Stig Beat Liana Lap ON A SIM?!
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- čas přidán 25. 05. 2024
- Welcome back to my ‘Ben Collins Gaming’ channel - the place where I’ll be documenting my journey into a weird and wonderful corner of the motorsport world that’s undeniably exploding in popularity right now - sim racing.
My previous experiences of driving through games are, quite frankly, pretty bleak. I dabbled with some very primitive examples of car games in the 80s and 90s, but even though they were rudimentary, some of the core skills they taught me really did help me as I started out in my racing career.
Nowadays, of course, it’s a completely different story, with the line between reality and the virtual world getting smaller all the time.
I headed over to @SimDemon in Tiverton, where they kindly let me loose on one of their range-topping ProSimu setups, complete with direct drive and multi-axis movements to make it feel incredible realistic.
What better car and track to give this rig the ultimate shakedown on than a Suzuki Liana at Dunsfold Aerodrome?!
I’m heading back to my roots and I’m bringing you along for the ride. In this video, I attempt to beat my best real-life lap time of 1-44.4…
Huge thanks to SimDemon for hosting me at their incredible facility for the day: simdemon.com/
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Still flabbergasted that you are most famous for a non-speaking role, when you are so natural infront of the camera. Great stuff, keep it coming!
Thanks again!
This is exactly THE reason, the trio did not want any competition, especially from a well spoken person who is also faster than them 😂
@@viktorianas exactly my thoughts!
@@viktorianas yup now we realize why they took him out.
I remember when Ben was a guest racing driver on a Polish TV show Auto maniak. He made the entire show worth watching
Ben you need to beat Barrichello's laptime in real Liana and send him a little present. Like maybe a T-shirt that says "I didn't beat the Stig"
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As a Top Gear fan for 20 years, it's amazing to have THE FUCKIN STIG telling all of his lap time secrets around the test track. The specific curbs and drains to hit to shave tenths off of a lap. Ben, if you read this, it's an honor to have you read my words. 10/10 video
As a avid sim racer I am glad that you are finding a home on my side of the racing world. I am sure Jimmy will be sweating soon enough that you are faster than he is on the sim.
He better be sweating but more practise required before i step into the Sith’s office again
@@BenCollinsGaming Do you think the Liana had some new tyres between your lap and your nemesis Rubens Barrichello
Where is Ben racing this year?
who thought 16 years ago, watching the stig lap the best cars in the world that later on in life, we would be watching the stig on his bloody gaming youtube channel xD
"maybe they resurfaced the track and that's why they went faster than me" - a true racing driver!
enjoying this content from you, Ben!
Ahhh that was brilliant.
You must always remember that you ARE THE STIG.
Some say that He is the only Poster that Chuck Norris has on his Wall.
And that he doesn't actually drive but that the World moves for him and him alone.
Whatever, we call him Ben Collins.
Whilst it's not a replacement for actually tearing up a track. Sim racing really does open up a lot of opportunities to get yourself on track in something you lusted after as a kid with your nose pressed on the glasss window of the local toyshop dreaming of owning, in my case a dinky toys lotus 51, now I can have a bash at vintage spa in it.
Not everyone can put down consistent times whilst gassing to camera and being entertaining for all of us watching, but you put in a 1: 42.9 whilst doing all that. Love the new content you're putting out here, as it gives everyone an insight into sim racing from an actual racing drivers perspective, and whilst there is still that disconnect between how it feels in real life and in the comfort of a sim rig, its good to see that it's not that big of a disconnect now with all the new fangled gadgets.
Yeah, especially in VR. Not the least most of the ways you can get on track will be a let down for people who think they're going to go along and be let loose on a track in a fast car driving it at the limit - things like track days or the 'experiences' are usually anything but that.
I was just playing BeamNG last night with a Dunsfold track and doing a lap in a ~110bhp front wheel drive car, even coloured it sky blue like the Liana, to try and have my own go of the test track. I can't believe this is the Ben Collins video the next day :D
Beam NG ain't a scratch on assetto. Nice driving Ben
Try beam in Vr and it will change your opinion beam will become the best and only real racing simulator eventually
@@malonie741you should try it, it might not quite have the tyre model/handling finesse of AC - however its getting quite good now and the damage and mods make it really fun to experiment with
@@wheresmylplate1965 I'm just not a fan of it at all I love assetto I also build cars for assetto if anyone wants anything for their server
@@wheresmylplate1965 lol dreamer
You should do a iracing series, like getting to a certain irating. Would be an interesting watch!
Oh that would be awesome!
Fascinating video, but all I can think about is that yellow Gameboy, that thing looks spectacular.
You should drive in VR - that'd help massively in bridging the gap between all your real life experiences and simracing, and you'd feel a lot more at home then.
Really?
@@BenCollinsGaming Yes really!
VR doesn't necessarily guarantee being faster on a single lap basis and for some it might result in slightly slower times (often initially around -0.5 sec) while adjusting to the "reality" of the experience, but when you overcome that (which for you will likely be instantly) then you'll either be as fast if not faster than using regular displays as VR provides a strong & real visual sense of presence & spacial awareness of everything, motion is much more prominent & natural to feel & therefore easier to read, lines become more intuitive & smoother, and with the very significant improvement in sense of speed (as the visuals cover a lot more of your vision & it's in 3D) you'll be 100% consistent and not going wildly deep / missing apexes.
Regular 2D monitors / TV's are ok and some people prefer them due the ease of use or just not getting on with wearing a headset and / or possible motion sensitivities / intolerances, but if you can stomach VR then it's a major game changer. Aside from when crashing, I've felt absolutely fine in VR and was able to jump in a F1 car and push hard immediately.
For us typical simracers it's just an awesome way to feel like you're in a real car doing silly things, but for you it'd make the transition from real life to simracing practically seamless! VR transcends the sensory experience to a whole new level, which a monitor / TV could simply never offer. The best thing though - it's just (arguably) so much more fun 😁
@@BenCollinsGamingabsolutely second this! Was looking for this kind of comment on VR or would have posted one. VR is next level, please do try it and let us know what you think. Just don't push through if you feel ill at first; take a break when you do. Slowly work up to not feeling sick (otherwise your brain may associate VR with feeling sick semi permanently and you ruin it for yourself).
Your brain wigs out with VR at first (around corners mainly) because it's fully expecting g forces but they never come. Feels very weird at first and, really, it's a testament to how immersive VR is.
@@BenCollinsGaming Yes. Caveats - when you put a screen near your face it needs to be much higher resolution. i.e our normal understanding of what is a good resolution for games (1080p or 1440p etc) no longer applies. You need a really high resolution and current VR headsets need a really powerful GPU to run the games at that resolution
Even at the highest resolutions of the best VR headsets the picture is not as sharp and detailed as a 4k or 1080p monitor you're looking at from a distance. So you're going to lose some visual fidelity - and specifically when you want to look into the distance down the track that's where it's worse.
But you've played older games on older computer hardware. Just think like when we played doom at 320x240 we got immersed in it and then graphics cards got faster and better we got higher and higher resolutions. Well VR is a basically like that. A step back in resolution terms (it's not literally as bad as going back to 320x240, but that's the gist)
That said the current crop of VR headsets are much improved from the early Rift and Rift S.
Secondly if you feel nauseous from motion control you're likely to feel nausea from VR. Your brain thinking you're moving fast around a track when you're not triggers sea sickness in many people. You have to acclimatise to it. My first 10 minutes driving laps I was lying on the bed groaning for an hour or 2 afterwards feeling sick and thinking I'd wasted my money. After a time though of doing short stints. Stopping and removing the headset if I started to feel ill, I end up now I can drift and drive for hours in VR without issues.
VR legs they call it.
I'd say the favorite VR headset among sim racers is the HP reverb - in term of price / performance. A lot of people have the Quest 2 or 3, and Valve's headset is great but it's pricey along with anything else high end like that.
Wearing them it's sweaty and a lot of sim racers say they don't like wearing it but you've done hundreds of laps wearing a helmet and it's no worse than that - it can't be less comfortable than a real racing car either with layers of clothing and gloves + helmet.
Another consideration for your channel is, the driving / chatting to the camera thing. VR might get in the way of doing that. But it's definitely worth experiencing. For me it was game changing. It was what made driving in a sim feel like driving. It's obviously still lacking that feeling when you're going too fast or the forces from heavy breaking or push back in your seat from acceleration (not in a Liani) but it's very immersive and you can finally know where the car is and react to it on or over the limit much better ime.
You don't get the seat of the pants from forces but visually you do, you can react to the car going out of shape much faster and judge distances for braking etc much better - although I bet you can do it on a screen too, i.e sim racers who put in hundreds or thousands of hours looking at 1 or 3 screens probably get used to it, but if you've done thousands of hours already in real 3d in a car, you'd probably find stepping inside the game will instantly feel better.
Once I went VR I've never raced flatscreen since. You'll need a much more powerful machine to render high resolution headsets at 90 or 100 Hz, but the difference is remarkable. I race Assetto Corsa, AC Competizione and iRacing in VR on an HP Reverb G2 and it's such a fun experience, even when I come last!
The monitor you were using in this video is also going to have caused you some cognitive issues because it had a significant input lag. On a display with minimum input lag you should see the virtual wheel rotate at exactly the same time as the physical wheel, as it does on my machine in VR or 2D. You will have been losing time having to drive reactively instead of being able to process and react to what's happening on screen realtime.
Quality vid 👌😊 that motion rig looks like a lot of fun. Getting the DD wheel forces dialled in correctly also makes a huge difference to FFB feel. With Content Manager and CSP in Assetto Corsa the game can look and feel stunning.
1:42.564 I am faster than the Stig! Yes! Subscribed. Good stuff, Ben!
Hey Stig, push this channel with you racing various track/car combos, different sims, setups etc and it will grow quickly.
Looking forward to anything you post.
"He's been avoiding sim racing for far to long...... but here he is, its the THE SIM RACING STIG.
Keep it on the tarmac until it runs out!
Also I would add to that good advice and say do some collaborations with some other big sim youtubers like our good boy jimmy, I don't think many people would turn down to change to make a video with Ben Collins!!. and I can not wait for the new game next year, I am going to rinse it big time on my channel.
Also, I'm not sure how to phrase this without calling him old, but getting in the sim often and getting those hours in is probably one of the best tools to keep your mind and reflexes fresh. I'm happy to see Ben get into sim!
The cool thing is, you can take Freddie's suggestions and have them programmed into the Sim, to see how the Liana will be in real life.
I screamed a little bit when he showed the Lamborghini Challenge game!! I used to play that all the time as a kid and it's the last surviving gameboy game in my collection lmao
What would really break the immersion for me is the fact that the screen is fixed ..... it would have to be mounted on the motion rig for me to be happy 😊
Great video Ben. Looking forward to seeing more episodes at Sim Demon. 🙌
9:24 "Some say he can take turns without touching the steering wheel."
ha ha ha the memories! cant wait to find you online in a race! loving this new direction!
Would love to see some kind of iRacing series on this channel! Get Jimmer to help you out Mr Stig!! 😄
Time to download the Liana and see if I can beat The Stig around Dunsfold 😂
Thanks Ben, you just helped with an argument, i continually argue with my Sim racing mates, that for me, it feels unattached , i have never felt as one, in a Sim. and that great feeling, that comes with being in a machine, where you feel you are actually part of it, in total control.
But, its a wonderful thing, to teach my 7 year old girls, the basics in race driving. For me, im always over 2 seconds slower, than in real life.
the sim is just too jerky, bouncy,and spongy. in my humble opinion and just too add, its safe lol
I still keep my PS3 around for the sole purpose of the Top Gear UnFamous laps. Visitors to my house have the chance to do a lap on the TG track using a Citroen C3 which is the closest I could find in the game to the Liana. Their best time goes up on the leaderboard, and so far there's 60-odd names. There's even an F1 Driver's list - not that there's been any F1 drivers, but anyone who has a sim rig and can beat the fastest non-simmer goes onto the F1 board. It's really interesting to see how everyone approaches the job of setting fastest laps...safe to say I can predict what'll happen based on how similar people have gone about the drive :-)
Love the new channel, Ben! And I hope you and Jimmy do a sim race together. Also it'd be fun to see you review cars you've driven in real life versus the sim versions. Thanks for the video and looking forward to more.
YEEEEEAAAHHH
This is exactly what I need.
Top job Ben.
Love the content!! Subscriber from New Zealand =)
Love the opening title sequence you have - its perfect for this channel. Great job! 👍🏻
I think I read somewhere that they resurfaced the Hammerhead at Dunsfold, and that's why a lot of the F1 drivers were putting in faster lap times.
Actually its Gambon that got widened slightly 👍
Were the times not from a standing start? Love your content and seem like such a genuine guy. Did see you once as the stig as I was lucky enough to watch an episode being filmed (Steve Cogan and the kit car episode) really hot day!
Sims these days are a serious training tool, and loads of fun!
Looking forward to following your journey with this! I'm currently on my own sim project and loving it!
Welcome aboard!
Is it me or the sim doesn't feel as smooth when the camera is shown in the third person view?
Go for it Ben! reclaim that hard earned crown!
Ben Collins, your a funny guy that was great to watch, keep them coming 🏁👍🏼
I,m really enjoying watching Ben on CZcams.🏎️
Always a pleasure to watch Ben even on a computer that has a lot of input lag that might be hindering hos effort.
Great to see the legend join us in the sim world. 🔥
I give it 5 episodes before the bug has bitten and we see Ben on his own rig at his home ❤😂😂
Looking forward to seeing you drive faster cars and real people 👍
Couldn't agree more!
VR is deffo the way to go...
I noticed your using the left foot to brake now where as in Jimmy's old video you said you didnt
I night have to give that combo a try. Great video 😁
Danny Ric, is a sim freak. Get him on for a head to head. Great vid.
Really enjoyed this ben, looking forward to the next sim racing vid!
Glad you enjoyed!
i genuinely think it's his wheel settings holding him back from having the same pace
Keep on the great content grt from holland
Seeing this, I got reminded that I actually drew a top view sprite of a Liana GLX for a 2D racing game last year, and make it as slow as it is. I regret nothing. :D
I miss Topgear track from the Gran Turismo games! so much fun 😃🇬🇧
Nice one Ben. Off to beet your time right now. 👍
Have fun
I was born in 1974. My first console was an Atari 2600. After that I had a Spectrum +2, Commodore Amiga and went to PC. I did have a Gameboy in the same colour.
As for Jimmy, he does a lot of driving on Assetto Corsa and the Nurburgring. Low fuel motorsport is worth joining. It's like iRacing for Assetto Corsa and ACC without the subscription.
Looking forward to seeing your own rig and iracing content
That's the plan!
Love that Vectrex boot up sound in the “ Let’s Go” intro.
I was born in 82, I loved Gameboy and Nintendo
Loving this stuff Ben 👍😊 Like you, I spent lots of time years ago on Microprose Grand Prix 2, fine tuning the car setups for the old Hockenheim forest circuit and swapping times with my boss. It got down to shaving thousandths of seconds off our times. Incidentally, I don't remember the Liana having a flappy paddle gearchange? 😉😆
top man ! hope u enjoy the sim racing
I hope so too
Great video Ben, I been slowling getting in to SIM racing with the Logitech G929 and playing Asseta Corsa on Xbox, I started creating CZcams conent as well :) ! Why not beat your game time in real life!
Top racing drivers ever 🔥🔥🔥 tysm Mr stig
I always wanted to replicate this in Gran Turismo 5 to see how well I could place. I don't think any of the reasonably priced cars were featured in the series so it may be tough to source a close match for them in game
It's fabulous to watch such a talent taking us on your journey of attacking the sims! My first sim racing experiences were OutRun (arcade), Microprose (PC), Lotus Esprit Turbo (Amiga), Gran Turismo Series (PlayStation). Would the little green helper help in real life racing?
Hey Ben, awesome channel idea, subscribed right away :) ...One quick observation: Check your monitor/tv input lag. Seems like there is pretty big delay between your real wheel movement compared to wheel in the game, which makes the driving more challenging than it needs to be. There definitely are TVs / Monitors that will be faster than this. Also HDMI vs DisplayPort can make a difference, also the panel grey-to-grey response time, and also the input lag of the signal itself, and the screen refresh rate as well.
I didn't realise the Liana was flappy paddle 😂
was about the say that, there's no point of this sim, if u cant make it authentic.
Hey Ben, glad you've got a channel going. The retro themed graphics is definitely something I can relate to, not to mention gaming in the 80s and 90s :). Would be good to see how you fare, using VR and motion (if it doesn't make you motion sick). There are also many videos out there explaining FOV and the benefits of getting that right. Maybe something to look into, especially once you start doing content using your own rig.
Good luck with your channel mate.
P.S. Are you planning on having more iRacing centric content or would you concider other sims as well?
Great calls - been having aome major issues in nascar
You should try out Apex Sim Race Centre just down the road at Willand, Tiverton. They have car meets every weekend and a fantastic cafe which serves the best breakfast in Devon. Supercar Sundays is always a highlight. See the cars in the carpark and then go and race them in Apex. Perfect!
One thing about real feel... As this is a mod, it's quality may vary A LOT, I have used thousands of modded cars and tracks in Assetto Corsa, and difference is Night and Day regarding quality, even among original cars made by devs. A good starting point would be original GT3 cars and ONLY laser scanned tracks.
Thanks for the info!
assetto corsa without sol remains the most jarring thing to witness
This is GREAT!!! I'd suggest using the drone cam or cam tool to get the replay/chase cam footage. But that is minor...this is AWESOME!!! thank you!
Thanks for the tips!
you so need to get your own sim. keep up the good work .
love your information on motion very informative, ps ac auto clutch was disable so you would over rev on gear change with auto blip and auto clutch in able for using paddle shifting
That rig is crying desperately for a Heusinkveld clutch pedal and a Fanatec shifter!
Some say he has always existed as a simulation
Microprose’s Grand Prix 2!!! The memories…
hi ben, I've been reading some of the comments and agree with most of them, here's a concept for you how about you putting some laps down and us as sim racers try and beat your lap time i am sure like me we have always either played the role as THE STIG or have thought we could beat THE STIG in a race. i noted you were using assetto corsa as a platform if you were to try this concept using assetto would be a good platform as iracing needs a monthly subscription i have been told, and may put it out of reach for some racers where assetto is more flexible and easer to add cars and tracks, i have some 180 tracks and around 450 cars in my collection. Great to see you joining the sim world, hopefully you may use some Australian muscle cars in one of your video's, cheers Ron from Perth Western Australia
HEyy nice to see you jumping into online racing. What game/sim is this? I would love to do some laps around Dunsfold
And across the line !
Ben, i would like to see you have a go at some rallygames ;)
DiRT or WRC, maybe Richard Burns!
I always thought it was strange that there was a sudden influx of laps that beat yours. Maybe more modern pads and tyres plus with the stated extra tarmac. No shame at all in coming behind that list of drivers though, but it would be interesting if you can do the real thing again.
Love the video tho 👌
some good advice in the sim world, bit like the real world to I guess is to play around with the trye PSI. it makes a big differences to the handle in games.
Driven many many sims over the years .. GTR ,GTR2 , GT Legends , Race On , Assetto sims , Project Cars 1 , Iracing and more. As well I have driven simcades like Gran Turismo and Forza motors sports , FH4 and 5 as well as Need for speed games and more. SO, saying that I can say with out a doubt that having any sim NOT setup to ones liking is just killing the experience and times. Its takes time to adapt to each setup and get it so it feels right. All of you saying he is using paddle shift or its not a standing start should consider that fact . So the 1:42:9 is from some one who is driving a sim with out properly setting up to his preference . No sim rig has the one setup fits all so he should get it setup to feel right to him. Times to adjust on top of that and the fact the sim he is using IMHO doesn't seem to have perfect tire grip physics as he says just adds more handicaps . All of that taken in to consideration means that the 1:42:9 is not aided by using paddle shifts or running laps. Real life driving is never going to be duplicated in a sim rig 100 percent. Considering his history and proven master skills i d say those times would come down alot faster if on the real track in the real car :) . Plus I get the cursing Ben , I have evented a few new ones when I mess a perfect hot lap up to lol.
Hey stig. Could you maybe do a video about car setup in Sims? Like tyre pressures what's best and also brakes balance. Just to explain how I would go about setting them up. Possible showing the difference of each? Huge fan!
Wouldn't it be cool to get max verstappen in the Suzuki for a lap
I’d love to see you have a go on Project Cars 2, I really enjoy you providing your voice for the chief engineer, you sound like a natural on the headset.
Not a bad idea
Bit of Ben-Ception
Some say he was created out of necessity in a simulation.....
The Liana had paddle shifters!?!?
Also, the thing that really impresses me with real racers is their memory and attention to detail - being able to remember the rear brake effect in the real car vs the sim.
Would love to see Ben Vs other racing drivers on Sim. Such as Ash Sutton as he builds sims so i think that would be interesting
That would be cool!
I should recommend you put your E-Stop on the inside of your rig rather than the outside. If you need to push it you will get close to the wheel base. put it on the inside and you can kick it with your leg to use the killswitch. My E- Stop is on the inside so if need to be, hands free to push the e-stop. Never needed to use it but better to be safe than sorry
Ben, love your videos and I hate to be that guy ... Did not remember the Liana having paddle shifters, would have been epic if you've used this stick 😍🏆
(Bit of advice)Big respect to you. love racing sim, would love real, (not skilled)😅 I do my sim on VR meta quest 3, the depth of field really helps me locate myself in the track, I believe if you mix with a gaming seat like that one, (motion), it is the closest thing to being in the real world
That Assetto corsa needs some realistic PPFILTERS NOW
Tyre pressures are very important in assetto corsa. Also use max camber front and rear and your golden.
Thanks for the info!
so were the lap times on top gear recorded as flying laps or standing starts like they always showed on the lap videos?
Starts the video establishing gaming creds....establishes gaming creds. Well then, please go on el stiggo.
Flat through the follow through? Dangerous words! lol. Although in Matts defense i have only just realised that Flat is not the same as flat-out. Or am i overthinking things. Either way a comment for algorythm.
So many insane racing sims nowadays. The older wheels are truly a gimmick compared to the advanced stuff they make nowadays as well.
Did you do a standing start on every timed lap?
I'm not gonna lie, and I'm possibly gonna sound like some weird fan boy, but I don't care.
All I'm seeing is a chance that I may at some point, beat the stig in a race 😂 childhood dreams coming true 😅
Yes sir welcome to sim world when we going to race on Acc or Ac.
Dear Ben, would you ever try the good 'ol 'Live For Speed' simulator? It is way better and more realistic than Assetto and BeamNG in my experience. With some cars theres no difference compared to real ones, specially the FWDs. Also, keep the videos coming this is top-quality stuff.
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Was that time done from a standing start or a rolling start?
Ben, you should try to beat @normaladultluke 's weird world record sim racing attempts
Now I see why they permanently put a helmet on you and only had you drive - you would have outdone them at the studio as well as on the track! xD
YES take down Max Stiggy!!!