Giuseppe Verde is Better than You Think
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- čas přidán 22. 12. 2021
- SAP secondaries finally on an Italian Battleship! Playing this ship makes me wish the main line battleships got these secondaries.
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If the German BCs are machete fighters, then the GV is a plasma knife that is 3 inches long
Agreed! PSA: Battlecruiser is CB. Just like Aircraft Carrier is CV, the designation for battlecruisers is just weird.
@@windborne8795 I will still refer to them as BC as normal people will understand it easier. Honestly pretty interesting fact tho, never knew that was the abbreviation for battlecruisers, Cruiser-Battleship ig you could look at it as.
@@windborne8795 Battlecruisers are BC. Large cruisers are CB.
@@Jinkuzu With all do respect, you are incorrect.
@@windborne8795 he is not incorrect. look at the USS Alaska and Guam. Large cruisers CB-1 and CB-2
Yeah it has fuel smoke, it has SAP secondaries but I feel like a pommern would be the better purchase if you want a secondary BB at T9 or just grind out the new German BB line for free
I got the pommern from a crate and can confirm, especially in a division brawling with that ship is a blast. It helps a lot to have escorts/help, but regardless the 380mm guns aren't as bad as youd expect
@@oddieboi The only thing i hate about the pommern is the hugeass reload time on your main guns, which arent even that accurate. but you get 12 of them so sometimes a cit pops up
A secondary bb sure but Italian AP is strong especially on a 27 sec reload. I did 23k to a Pommern broadside. His secondaries had a hard time doing damage because of Verdi's deck armor. Then 381mm can not open me angled. All he has on me is torps but I just smoke to get him to launch so I can dodge.
i wish WG would allow players to demount upgrades for free for the first 20-50 games on each ship, so you can play around and see what works best on ship X for your play style. the same with Cmdr. skills too. every ship has it's pro's and con's and every player has their own style. most players can't afford to waste gold to demount upgrades and go back and forth trying different combos, nor the CXP/FXP to redo Cmdr skills with the changes to the upgrades. they go hand in hand.
I got a free solution for you - it is called the public test server. Dubs and credits you get and respecs are for free ;)
If this thing had improved secondary characteristics, I'd say it was at least fun, and not bad. If it had better secondary characteristics AND better accuracy on the main guns, I'd say it was an amazing ship. But right now it's really "meh." WG has released worse ships, but it isn't good enough to warrant blowing $80 on. Just grind the new German BC line if you want fun secondaries. Italy gets jibbed on another premium yet again. Emilio is really the only good one, and maybe Napoli as well, but even my beer can Roma isn't good, as much as I love playing it anyways. I'm sure you can have fun playing this ship, but you can probably have more fun playing better ships.
This ship is only good to watch other people play it.
its good on NA server where many bad players there.
@@AggrarFarmer so many broadsides.
It's also good to have it in the red team xD
I took aiming systems mod 1 for mine, I really wanted to maximize the secondaries but after my first trial the main guns dispersion was so atrocious I needed to improve it a little. Aiming systems mod 1 also helps the secondaries so I felt it was the best of both worlds, I'm happy with how it performs. My secondaries with the signal go out to 9.2km, still respectable I feel.
My guy actually bought it 💀
I tried the full secondaries but then put aiming systems into third slot after woeful dispersion at ranges you should be hitting. Lot better accuracy and results focussing on main guns first and secondaries if somebody gets too close.
The secondaries are very strong under the rigth circumstances, but the range is really short, you need a long figth to get some accuracy, and if the enemy angle, or just have strong armour, you will not do very well. Seems like a very situational ship at best!😬
I find that most ships are "situational". This is a good ship, it would be a great ship at tier VIII which is where I would have wanted it but it holds its own in tier IX.
Great review that does an excellent job of highlighting the characteristics of this ship. If you get the hang of leveraging your smoke and lean into your secondaries, you can get some great results out of this ship. If you play it like a traditional BB and try to use your main guns to carry the day, you’re going to have a miserable time. I enjoy playing her, but I don’t know that I could sincerely call her a good ship.
I’ve seen way too many shells take elevator rides to think this ship is good. Plus while the secondaries look fun and I love secondary builds, Verdi just doesn’t have any improved secondary characteristics to make it worth building into them. It’s not better than we think, it’s just a bad ship that’s very situationally good.
Can't wait to play this while listening to the Dies Irae from Verdi's Requiem
that last citadel shot, wow
I really agree with Trenlass that its poor vertical dispersion is a major pain. To be an excellent ship despite this it would have to be significantly OP in other ways. There is no other factor that will cost you more pens assuming you have big enough guns. It's like a pro sprinter running with a toe fracture; they'll never do quite as well and it will be painful.
"...probably not worth the cost." could have just stopped there.... uh-huh-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-hah!
Most of the reviewers have not had kind words for this ship. However I agree with your review as I have found the ship quite effective and more importantly, a lot of fun to play. I have spent money on worse things . . .
I love smoke fuel on italian bb as it gives me a small break when I push and allow me to last a little longer usually, it allows me to send one or 2 volley more before I die. (Wish I had this in bed, but that is another story! ;) ...) When brawling against other secondary ships it give me a small break from their secondary too, while mines are doing their job. However on battleships, it never really saved my ass I feel, I am usually already too commited to be able to break from the fight. I could be playing this ship wrong tho.
Wondering if it’s worth the money and also if Napoli is worth the coal. Or just buy the verdi and spend the coal on a captain. Any thoughts on the captains / commanders for coal?
Depends on how much you like the faction. Kuznetsov is the best one imo.
They are worth if you play the faction a lot (especially if you have premiums/special ships to swap them around on).
Napoli is a very good cruiser and it has great sap secondaries
3:40 - this highlights how bad the ships secondaries are… you did roughly 4000 secondary damage to that Bismarck during that whole section. Meanwhile, he set three fires and did more damage with his tier 8 ship. Imagine if you had the same setup with regular secondaries? It just seems like the sap isn’t good enough to be justified.
wait, he had 101k dmg with secondaries at the end. That's not that bad^^
best advice coming at 9:30 hehehe
A, yes, good old Joe Green. Surely its siren ought to sound something operatic?
Hi giuseppe verdi vs massachusetts which one is better?
I’ve had a blast playing with friends against ai in those scenarios. Play with a shloefen and a crawling smoke dd and alternate smoke. I know it’s ai but I’ve done 850k before lol. Lots of fun. And with the Dd you can just chill at 4-7 km use Dd to spot for the big boys and just farm down everything. Then turn away with smoke and use the big guns.
I'm sorry for the Joseph Green, but after the german BCs with both good primary and secondaries i don't think to spend money on a pure secondary one.
4:14 hey... it is nice
Probably worth using a coupon on.
What can be worse than Gernan BB's guns?
Verdi guys, VERDI. Not a Verde ;)
Esatto
Some streamers are shockingly uneducated. I like PQ, he’s entertaining and informative, but Verde???
@@ocsimano729 Simple mistake. Don't blame or judge. Just pointed it out.
I actually love this ship and the Marco polo. I use Verdi for this ranked season. I guess I just really like the Italian bb line so I know how to use it. For your average player who has not grinded through and mastered the Italian bb line I would not recommend either ship. Verdi's secondaries are the bess Italian bb secondaries but nothing close to German and American ones. They are very useful on cruisers and dds but only good against BBs at range. The dispersion on the main guns is bad if you never touched an Italian ship and good if you have. I'd say the Verdi has the same despersion as an American dreadnought. While the Marco polo has the North Carolina's dispersion. Which can be frustrating if you don't know how to play the ship. But having a DD on your butt ready to suicide torp you so you smoke up while your secondaries hammer him is a great feeling. Italian AP tho on all ships is like an American AP shell with extra gunpowder. The pens you can get are insane. Only drawback is if you see a cruiser you have to use HE (Verdi) or SAP (Marco polo) because Italian AP overpens them. Even on some heavy cruisers, minus Alaska, Puerto Rico, Stalingrad, and sigfried.they also have great armor including deck armor making it difficult to HE spam. That with the manuverability of the French bb line makes it really fun to play. I would recommend if you do get this ship to have a 14 point captain. To get concealment and secondary targeting.
a very oblique ship, sometimes there are fights when it hits, but mostly all shots into the sky
Can you explain me how your team was able to pull a defeat from a 2:1 cap lead and 660:160 points AFTER your death? :D
I was holding off for the Napoli to wait to see what this ship was going to be like but since it’s only for dubs i’d rather have the Napoli
Smart man
I really feel like it needs better secondary accuracy and range, it just seems so lack luster. Maybe im being too harsh after playing a ton of the german BC’s, but it just seems like a worse marco polo, and marco polo is already eh
Waaaat better then marco
If those secondaries are anything like Napoli then this ship is absolute beast. Napoli secondaries regardless what haters say - WORK and work insanely well even without skills for it in cruiser captains. Heck work better than frigging Pommern secondaries - I melted DDs literally not even chosing them as my secondary targets while I was shooting other way around.And by melted I mean in 10-15 seconds lol. Thats how sick damage is.
Theres a difference,Napoli secondaries are alot more accurate and even then,almost nobody goes full secondary napoli .
Got 2 games with her so far, in a full secondaries build, and I prefer her over Pommern for Brawling, even with the lack of torpedoes.
No doubt WG planed this all along, introduce main line , then after saturation introduce premiums w SAP secondaries ie: GV and Napoli= Sell like hotcakes, then mostly regret purchase as it's soooo very overpriced well I haven't seen many GV but tis young
well napoli is for coal too at least. just got napoli with a coupon for coal and I'm having a blast in it. I'd never spend money on it though. for coal it's a lot of fun but I can't see it being worth doubloons. Even less this ship, though I'm kinda happy you can't waste coal on it.
@@maltemejlstrup4746 True, I got her for coal myself, just saying it is for sale for $ in premium shop
@@chriscannon4262 yeah but I think most people get it for coal. at least if they listen to what other people say. a fantastic coal ship but not worth spending doubloons on. Still probably my favorite cruiser right now.
Im waiting the TX italian premium battleship ,
Dont be afraid of your builds, as long as they work. Well, that's my standard secondary build. Why? Coz a Well timed heal and dmg con help me more then -10% fire Chance and one less fire stop thats not going to be lit when I'm Charging at someon only presenting 2 spots. Why? I'm not sitting bow in and start tanking, I am actively dodging and useing islands as cover.
Bout to buy this ship. It looks fun but gets a bad wrap because it's not the new brainless meta snoozfest. Thanks for the video.
So,secondary build?
yes, if you play normal build, just buy Marco Polo
I'm running a hybrid build, the secondaries are good but the main battery is a total shotgun so I took aiming systems mod 1 to help the dispersion a little, and I focused my commander skills on the secondaries. I've been happy so far with it.
Smokes on a BB....but mildly improved secondaries on COngress people think is a wild idea...lol.
is Giuseppe Verdi BTW
VERDE?? :DDD
Already bought it, worth it
How much is it? Can you get it with dubs?
@@TK-fk4po only dubs, 19300
@@isaaclee1993 Perfect! I have 24k sitting around burning a hole in my pocket!
Enjoy having T5 accuracy on every gun on the ship.
@@pyrolick2 Yeah, as usual dispersion looks pretty crap.
Pass. Seen enough videos to not think this ship is worth it.
Too expensive, even with the new coupons?
prob is you can't upgrade the SAP secondaries to pen 32mm like you could with HE secondaries... lets not kid ourselves these secondaries are not for use v bb... possibly at range HE might be a better option for the main guns as they are apparently good at destroying modules.
It has only 70k health with mediocre armor. It has over 14km concealment when built for concealment, but only 10km secondary range when built for secondaries, so you have to take some punishment before you can get to use them. And for those saying that it has a smoke consumable, the smoke consumable has a 3 minute reload. That's 9 minutes of time spent waiting for your smokes to reload if you wanna use them all, assuming you'd be spamming them which in most cases you won't be. So you'd probably spend 3/4 of the game just waiting for them to reload. The smoke is not reliable and I'd just go for Pommern for the better armor and longer secondary range.
Yh, can't get shit in this game without premium time and premium ships
Give it 1km more of range and it will be ok.
"...Fuel smoke allows me to go dark..." literally for like a second, before it expended and the bismark was in spotting distance the whole time.
The rest of the time is spent early on crushing the weakest flank without anyone focusing the ship. The final half of damage was from the yolo rush at the bulk of the remaining enemy team.
It feels like any other BB could've done just as well in this position. The fuel smoke in my view was even a detriment, since the enemy focused down other teammates in the times Verde was dark. Once the Bismark went down, he was shooting at range for a while, the enemy team basically ignored him with how little effect the guns had. The only time the secondaries did 'good' work was on that shimakaze, but he'd completely whiffed all 3 torp launches, so dubious even then. If he'd chosen to bow in charge to close range, the normal accuracy on them probably would've let him dev strike you
Doubloons or coal?
money
@@nergal5353 lame
only dubloons, 19300
No, Verdi isn't better than I think ... have you heard the Chorus of the Hebrew Slaves? I think he was a GREAT composer ... oh, the ship?
i still think all IT BB's need more offense against DD.s , they can then keep this ship at 10% because of SAP Secondaries and Buff all other IT bb's Sap to 20% on DD.
Best would of been sap secondaries for all BB's ofc , but now this ship seems better than marco in most ways , and HE is better imho as SAP is useless vs DD's
No, just no. We already have thunderer and conqueror with 30% on 8k shells. 20% on a 13k shell is hell when you have 16 guns
Edit: 8×0.3= 2.4
13×0.2=2.6
SAP is a cancer and whoever plays or encourage this abomination should go to hell just like the person who came up with the idea.
@@antoniohagopian213 USN BB's are better because of HE
@@antoniohagopian213 Yes i agree sap does not work on IT bb's with 10% dmg cap on dd's i was not talking about firechance. Id rather have Gussepe Verdi of the HE and sap secondaries instead of Useless marco polo vs Destroyers
Damn, PQ dropping the big bucks. Seems kinda underwhelming to me.
well, that doesn't seems very Italian with your play style..lol
Well, you don't want to talk about the elephant in the room?? You can't get this with in game resources, just with doubloons for the first time
so many sec shots with no dmg,,,jeez
Since it is only for money or dubs, pass
nice video, but still, I think is just a worse Marco polo. I rather have 0.2 better sigma accuracy, than have a faster reload with a worse ap. not worth $80.
Oh god, I was the Mass B in this. I mispositioned so badly that I ended up getting double cit by Musashi to ~1k hp, and then just rage quit after that because I realized who I was playing with.
Sorry PQ, I failed you on our flank. Deleted the game again after this utter embarrassment of a match.
Haha it happens to the best of us!
u play this ship good and say it is good. that doesnt mean that ship is good
the time you took to shoot that Neptune was sad... so very sad
Did he kill him? Did he finish the battle on top of the board with a kraken and damage output you could only dream of?....So stfu.
Taking his time to get the sweet spot. Sometimes helps to pause for a second.
bro what's the fucking ships name???
Is it LEPANTO?? BRUH
with ranked giving you free gold its easy to spend to try out commander skills. but ya most people shouldn't waste there money on wargaming anymore
imagine spelling the ship's name correctly
Oh wait, u can have similar fun on Iowa. Comon, this is an Iowa clone. Why bother
Am I the only one who is annoyed by the fact that PQ pronounces SAP as \ ˈsap \ instead of /ˌɛs.eɪˈpiː/? I mean, you don't pronounce AP as \ ˈap \??
Maybe a Unicorn player can make something out of this pile of trash. Problem is: no normal player can. If you get matched up with that garbage ship in your team, you're good for a heavy carry, if there is a second bad player in the team it's an almost guaranteed defeat
This ship is trash just like the Marco Polo.
Just because you can't play doesn't make this ship trash.
@@nicholasmelby5361 I obliterated 1 of them in randoms ttoday with a Montana and worked over a other one in randoms with a Petro before sinking him. Then went back into randoms and worked a schlieffen with my Napoli one vs one on desert map. This thing is a trap and port queen, lol. Don't be too upset you got suckered to buy one when they just upped the sigma on that other pos Marco stinko last week from old 1.7 to 1.9 lol. Roma, Lepanto and CC are way better ships, I have all of them. From panzer, trenlass, flamu, flmabass everyone who has any skill knows that this ship is a trap for whale who have no skill, maybe its YOU who can't play. Ranked Gold 1, WR 64.8% 4800+ battles (BANCV)
@@JohnWilliams-sq7cj so you obliterated a tier IX BB with a tier X BB...wow. That proves this ship is trash. I'm quite happy with the ship so far. That's an impressive win rate, I'll bet you boast about it all the time.
@@nicholasmelby5361 You commented on me being able to play this junknship, I merely replied that you were probably upset over a bad purchase as I just gave my opinion of the ship but you made it personal. BTW, you'll be upturned most of the time in any pvp mathc anyway. If you like the ship great, but I only gave my opinion.
@@JohnWilliams-sq7cj yeah I never commented on you being able to play anything, I commented on the OP and you chimed in with your "opinion" which was very condescending so yeah I took it personal. This is not a junk ship, it's not the best ship for its tier but far from trash.
"Giuseppe Verde is Better than You Think" misses all secondary his on a dd 8.8kms away LMAO!!!
but it has the worst secondaries in the game ... "normaL" disperion means shit dispersion xD german french etc are all better
Sorry Napoli is better. It has tops and fast reloading sap secondary build.
When more and more people (not the super unicums right now) buy this ship it will fall very shortly into the utter miserable section in Wows-numbers. If you really want an Italian BB get the Marco Polo instead of this turd, or better skip both and play actually useful ships.
Starting to have a feeling that with the huge amount of premiums already in the game WG has no idea what gimmick should they use anymore or how to make proper ships.
Why would you want the Marco Polo instead of this ship? The only thing the Marco has that this ship doesn't is SAP shells for the main battery (which aren't that impressive) at a cost of 5 seconds more on the main battery reload time. Is this the best ship? No, but it is a good ship and is far from a "turd".
“Sap shells that aren’t that impressive” sure shells that do 100 less damage that yammy with out the ability to over pen aren’t that impressive
@@nikoclesceri2267 no they really aren't. If they were you'd see a lot more people using Italian BB's. Even on the ones I have with SAP I use AP 99% of the time.
@@nicholasmelby5361 probably why you think they are shit ship TBH. I have the Marco and I use mainly sap with her, chunking ships for 15K every salvo is fun, the AP just over pens most of the time anyways
@@nikoclesceri2267 I don't think they are shit ships, I think the SAP on BB's are shit. AP does over pen a lot, but citadels are nice.
For coal I would buy this ship. For anything requiring real money definitely no. Weegee doesn't care about balance making the game go down hill in fun. Between cv rework, economic rework, and now subs that are never seen. If there is no counter play to an enemy it is not fun.
no improved accuracy on the secondaries, therefore useless.
Did even watch the end of the video lol he did 100k with them
@@tyfighters002verkerk9 doesent matter, you can easily do the same with schlieffen and much more.
@@Thor_Asgard_ what a teir 10 lmao?
@@tyfighters002verkerk9 common my dude... when he gets those insane numbers its always because off the insane incompetence from the enemies or because of a full support division. Its ok but its not what the reality of this ship is about. we have to stay sane.
You're right. Secondary accuracy is all that matters, which is why I love my secondary pensacola. That thing absolutely shreds.
Garbage Roma hull with even more garbage italian dispersion ap generates mostly overpens.
Dude, thanks for the clickbait title.
Guns are bad.
Secondaries are meh.
Takeaway from the commentary is the fuel smoke.
Plus the enemy team are full of broadsiding potatoes, a yolo shima who missed all his torps when you could have been sent back to port with 100k damage 🧐
Hope you’re not being coerced by WG for this post but thanks for showing how bad it actually is.
The average person doesn't gave this mime games you WG emploees have so all these good stuff you show are not gonna happen to us. It's time WG shuts down this travestite gambling game that shows on the external as if skill counts and as if ships have qualities. Have your fun but stop with tis kind of shit. They are going into deaf ears.
U getting paid to try sell this crap?