Turbocharged 4,779 WHP: Can Mark Micke make turbos great in Pro Mod, again?
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- čas přidán 22. 02. 2023
- It is no secret that Twin-screw and ProCharger powered Pro Modifieds have been dominating the scene over the past few years. The turbocharged combination, once a formidable force, hasn’t been part of the conversation-until now. Mark Micke of M&M Transmissions is looking to change the boosted community by bringing the exhaust-driven boost makers back to the front of the pack. In fact, just one race into the adventure and they have become the talk of the community.
A recent dyno session at the Georgia-based headquarters of FuelTech USA revealed a staggering 4,779 WHP. It is certainly one of the highest results the dyno recorded, but the key difference is in the details with this package.
Over the last several years there have been perceived challenges with the turbocharged combination for outlaw Pro Mod competition. Micke, however, knew he could solve each one and to do so, he created a think tank with some of the industry’s biggest powerhouses like Pro Line Racing, FuelTech, Turbosmart, and of course his company, M&M Transmissions. The results speak for themselves as early indications point to a game-changing combination.
The on-track success has been nothing short of impressive with just two dozen runs to date. The car’s national event debut yielded a second-place qualifying effort thanks to a best of 3.59 at 218 mph and it was a stern warning that Micke will be a contender. The best sixty-foot clocking is an astounding 0.935-seconds, and they went 13 straight runs without shaking the tires. The worst short-time during that streak was a 0.960-the kind of times and consistency that supercharged applications are known to produce.
One of the hallmarks of the 1969 Camaro’s success is the integration of the FT600 engine management system and its vast capabilities. The FT600, FT550, FT550LITE, and FT450 offer a complete line-up of standard features including sequential injection and ignition, O2 Closed Loop, data acquisition, traction control, delay box, Boost Controller, Nitrous Controller, and so much more. Additionally, the FT600, FT550, and FT450 have a customizable digital display for the driver and the anti-glare TFT touchscreen offers the ability to adjust the tune without hooking up a PC computer. It gives the driver feedback in real-time and puts the data in front of him or her instead of mounting multiple gauges around the cockpit.
A key feature for Micke’s turbo setup is the use of a single Turbosmart electronic wastegate to control boost, which is plumbed on the charge/cold side of the turbo system. Their theory is to have the twin Garrett GT57 98mm turbochargers spool as quickly as possible. In fact, the Camaro doesn’t even have wastegates on the exhaust/hot side. According to Micke, the large displacement Pro Line Racing HEMI makes 48 psi in just a half of second. The aggressive boost curve mimics a centrifugal supercharger and the lack of exhaust pressure bleed-off helps provide downforce to keep the front-end planted. FuelTech PowerFT was one of the first ECUs to offer electronic wastegate control when Turbosmart debuted the product a few years ago.
Noted Pro Line Racing tuner Steve Petty, also a collaborator on this project, shared his thoughts, “it’s been three years since I’ve run a turbo car and, in that time, so much has changed with the converter development, shocks, turbos…we’re going to have some fun.” The NHRA championship winning crew chief even admitted he felt there was 400-500 more horsepower left in the combination.
The Pro Modified division is heating up across several organizations and FuelTech’s leading technology is helping racers like Mark Micke make turbocharged combinations competitive, it is the reason you’re seeing #FuelTechEverywhere
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To anyone that doesn't know!!! YOU ARE WATCHING SOME OF THE BEST GIYS IN THE ENTIRE WORLD! THEY HAVE CHANGED THE GAME YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR MULTIPLE TIMES! THESE GUYS ARE STRAIGHT LEGENDARY! LISTEN TO EVERYTHING THEY SAY AND LEARN! YOU DONT GET TO BE TAUGHT OR HEAR LEGENDARY PEOPLE LIKE THIS TALK TO THERE FANS LIKE THIS VERY OFTEN! CONGRATS ON THE CAR MR. MICKEY CANT WAIT TO SEE IT IN REAL LIFE ONE DAY!
Amen to that!!
I wouldn't have believed you EXCEPT for your comment was in all CAPS! Then I knew it had to be true.
@@benburnett8109 don't make him CAPS you
@@troymatthews668 Well, I was searching for the TRUTH on the internet and I found it. GO HARDCORE ALL CAPS OR GO HOME!!
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Headed there next week to help Mark with the car can’t wait 👍
Didn’t realize this was Pro Boost, that is even MORE impressive, wow!
This video was some great foreshadowing! Just set a new 1/4 record at 5.35 at 272!
Luise has the enthusiasm and personality
They could not have found a better guy to be the face of fuel tech
Ya, I remember my first 4,700hp car. I was pretty excited too.
Wow, just wow!!!!
Has technology come a long ways in a short period of time!!!!
Best of Luck Boys, ya got yourself a real horse right there!!!!!
Good grief I love these Dyno videos
And to think now it’s dec 2023 and this is the fastest promod in the work. Congrats guys and congrats fueltech. Can’t wait to use you guys
FuelTech the WORLD!
Pro Mod is where its at i used to attend the NHRA event in st.louis every year for quite awhile until Ford quit supporting Pro Stock ,Nitro stuff is ok but its always the same guys winning ,very seldom do you ever see competitive side by side racing until the final round . A few years ago i attended a PRDA EVENT after the sun went down and the track cooled off a bit the real show began ! the pro mods were divided by power adders ...nitrous class , turbo& supercharger class and a NHRA legal class i sat in the stands and watched the qualifying sessions begin and through all those classes i saw either a speed or ET record broken on 14 consecutive rounds! Never seen it before or sense plus they ran mountain motor Pro Stock and the ford were competitive havin 4 cars in the top ten qualifying positions with a couple of mopars plus chevys in the mix and within a tenth of a second from number 1 through number 10 positions ! thats the racing i want to see ,i'll never drop my money on a NHRA event again after that but if theres a race held at the east St. Louis track i'm there and have yet to be disappointed in the shows they put on.
I hope to see Mark/Carter with this car in RVW trim dominating this year.
Talking about a REAL BEAST, with all that horsepower can't be faded. Ready to tear up some asphalt and show everyone who's BOSS. Awesome ride man no doubt.
Goodness gracious, we are amongst turbo tuning royalty!.well done.
I remember Steve Petty on the street with Tim way back in the day
Yep, I remember them running the Mustang on the old Pass Time TV show.
I remember back in the 90's they'd bring the mustang to Brained motorsports park for the 10.5 race once a month.
Hell I remember him before that when he worked at the Texaco on Roswell Rd . And him and bill use to mess with this junk trans am . Like a 77 or 78 4 speed car.
@347mav3 right at the time outlaw 10.5 started out in its infancy. They had the saleen shredder car that ran 590s on the bumper. Then the other mustang. Nobody could beat them guys
I lived at that track every weekend. I actually have a house about 3 miles from the actual track. Or you can just cross the creek at the end of the track and walk to my house
Absolutely stunning.
I would have loved to see them build a promod Malibu like their radial Malibu. Mostly bc I’m biased and have a 1980 Malibu big/small tire car.
Same, I was told the Malibu was sold and went to the land down under.
I’d like to see that combination in radial trim. 😮
Everyone simultaneously turns to dyno screen🤯
I'm suddenly really happy about building the 604 for my race car/truck with twin turbos😍😍😎💪💪
Game Changer Boys!
Awesome
You need more anchor bolts in those generators, it was trying to rotate them
This thing is baaaaaadass!!!! And ProBoost and just.. WOW!!
That is a bad ass hotrod!
That’s wild
I love the 69 mines all metal street car. 383 stroker.. it owns in the street. But yours on another lvl I love it. Congratulations
Looks like the ProLine Hemi is taking over. I am used to seeing ProLine powered Turbo Cars run a 481x and the ProCharger guys run the Hemi for RPM. I wonder what the price difference is for a Longblock between the Hemi and 481x ?
Not that I have ANY first hand experience, but everyone says the costs are pretty similar until you talk maintainence. I understand the proline hemi to have a much more involved maintenance program required.
I would love to understand how u controlled compressor wheel speed with no waste gates. That blows my mind.
The wheel speed isn't hard to control for the most part. The boost level is what everyone is trying to control, but the mechanical wastegate has to start opening so early that a ton of energy gets released. But if turbine wheel speed is your main worry, two things offset that worry 1. There is a ton of excess capability to any quality turbo (non-Chinese) so spinning it at 88k RPM or 115k RPM is fine either way. But most importantly 2. The load on the compressor wheel doesn't go away when the excess boost is leaked off, like this system does. Paradoxically, if you were to lose your charge pipe during a run, the compressor doesn't freewheel and overspin, it actually slows down. On belt driven turbos like a Vortec, ProCharger etc the nose of the crankshaft will bend when that charge pipe comes off because of the _extra_ load that the compressor is feeling. In a turbo car, the charge pipe coming loose causes so much extra load that the compressor wheel will sometimes stop and often break because it's spinning at 90k RPM for example and suddenly it's trying to stop. What they are doing on this car is using old technology from a time when turbo cars didn't run wastegates, and just using the FuelTech and blowoff valves to control boost precisely. The FuelTech is using the timing and fuel maps to control the boost ramps. For example if you want to build boost quickly, you'd give the engine a ton of extra fuel and retard the timing so that part of the fuel is burned _after_ it leaves the combustion chamber. Some of these things run counter to what you would normally do on a normally aspirated engine where running rich and low timing would kill power. Hope this helps brother.
Good explanation! He is leaving with almost 50lb boost and benefiting from the downforce to keep the front end down, most turbo cars leave with less boost because they can't control the launch, more boost more downforce wow!
Say i bring a Radial car,Pro-Mod,whatever it may be...whatchu lookin at to throw the newest Fuel Tech stuff at it? $15K or am i way off?
The stuff isn’t that expensive it’s the instsll and wiring and tuning to that level from the start
@@geraldgoodiii6993 ofcourse. The dyno,Steve's time,crew's time,etc...ur payn for the package. So,$15K???
I would say $15-20k for the equipment, the install and teaching how to tune. Which is a drop in the bucket when you compare to what it can do and the cost of the engine, trans, suspension, that it’s controlling.
@@precisiondiesel225 awe no doubt. Petty useda tune our Outlaw 10.5-W car when ORSCA was still around. Been around drag racing forever. Like i say,was just curious about the whole FT upgrade/dyno price...but whats tha use in haven a $200K car if its not competitive
Would you LOOK at the size of that intake?????
Yes turbo 🎉 no pro charger petty 🎉number #1
Quando irão legendar os vídeos?
Usa a legenda automática. Acho que a prioridade é o mercado americano
that video was way better than my videos
5:56
Where ur radiator????
Sound kind of soft in the middle : o
How much does that car weigh
2,650 lbs
Where are the “MTGA” Red Hats???
So ryan martin is coming with a new pistol, close to this number
Let's hope for NPK 6 with a Ryan Martin 4Peat.👍 He's the Best
@@glvera749you serious? You don't wanna see some him actually have to compete against other guys rather then him flipping through his notes and inputting the numbers/parameters almost guaranteed to go down? I think Ryan was smart initially in NPK with the engine, chassis design, and to his credit the hard work he puts in. But with kye leaving nitrous and pat Musi, I think going screw blower, swanstrom in his Lexus, Murder Nova low key replicating Ryan Martin's Camaro just in a Nova shell. Daddy Dave with his new Audi n whatever engine combo I think Ryan will find himself more and more on the loosing end of field this year
@@haydenroyer of course I'm serious!!!
@@haydenroyerfunny you say that….
Screw blowers sound the best.
Sounds purdy angry...
It's not making 4,779 wheel HP, it is making 4,779 hub HP. Even approaching 5,000 HP you still feel the need to fudge the figures.
Yeah, hub dyno HP is not wheel HP.
The dyno calculates the torque either way. With a hub Dyno it doesn't need to adjust for tire slippage or tire growth. A wheel Dyno has to rely on the person inputting the correct tire size and can't account for tire growth during a run. A hub Dyno is much much more precise and it's calculating the TQ at the hub, so having a wheel and tire bolted on is just adding a layer of less precision.
@@RonniePTexan except every hub dyno I have seen reads way high, and it is not a real representation of what can truly be put to the road. After all we don't race flywheel or hub hp, we race whp, because the only figure that matters is where the rubber meets the road. Measuring at the hub is like dynoing with the air filter off, then putting it back on to drive down the road. The only figure that matters is what it produces on the street / strip as it runs. Anything else is purely for the ego.
@@DodgyBrothersEngineering The hub Dyno they use is the most accurate. It's reading a high number because that combination makes a high number. That combination wouldn't even be testable on a wheel Dyno, the tires would slip. The reason you think a hub Dyno reads high is because all of the high HP combinations use hub Dynos and only hub Dynos. A 500-1,000 HP street car can use a wheel Dyno, but for serious 2,000+ HP combinations, a hub Dyno is the only way to go. It's not that they are reading high, it's that the high HP combinations are only using hub Dynos.
@@DodgyBrothersEngineering I think you see them using a dyno for ego. They literally do not care what the dyno number is. That is just used to tune. Every racer that uses that FT dyno could care less if it makes 3,000 or 5,000 HP on the dyno. They just need the car tuned so it starts, idles, can drive, then they need it to make power predicably. They need baseline tunes so they know what the engine will do at 20psi, 30psi, and 40psi in this case. From there all of the real tuning happens at the track. They won't tune the car for dyno numbers. That's silly. If you tune for dyno numbers, the car slows down at the track. It's just not how it works. That car could easily make another 300-500 HP if they just wanted a dyno number. That's just not how racers do it. You might be thinking of some yo-yo on CZcams trying to Dyno a car for Max dyno numbers, but no real racer ever does that. All that does is break parts and still runs slower if/when it makes it to the track.
LOL
Saw this do 221 in the ⅛th. Crazy.