The Conversation | A Transformers Comic Dub
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- Megatron has surrendered to the Autobots, and Optimus Prime wants to know why.
Excerpt from Transformers (2009) Issue 22
Written by James Roberts
Art by Alex Milne
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"I once told Optimus Prime I killed for the sake of killing. I wanted him to hurt me, you see, because when he hurts others, he hurts himself. And the thing is, when those words were in my head, I didn't think I meant them. But when they left my mouth...I realized I did."
Where is this quote from?
@@filmfaithandlevity It's from later on in the series: MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE #32. There's a great dub on it on CZcams.
@@filmfaithandlevity another MTMTE comic, a conversation between megatron and ravage
Crazy
Same writer too, explicitly referring to this conversation specifically
Cybertronians canonically experience _lust._
And the fanfickers rejoiced.
Look up the term "Conjux Endura". That'll explain it all.
Aw, that's not news. Remember what Blackarachnia and Silverbolt were up to back in the day? XD
Not all lust is sexual.
@@thesupersonicstig this is accurate
Dear God…
Peter Cullen and Frank Welker need to read and act this conversation
@@kevinp.h8655ew
@@kevinp.h8655 are you fucking serious
Maybe I'm biased, but even without going into the ethics of it, I'd rather have two good impressionists do a passable job then have an AI give an uncanny valley level performance because it would sound better.
@spinoguy agreed ,the work on this video is proof that humans can actually do great voice work ,ai wasn't used for the 80s cartoon and the movies so why use ai now . Let people appreciate actors and they're hard work so they can get the recognition they deserve, no ones gonna say : hey ai you did a good job voicing Optimus prime .
They had a similar one in TF Prime.
2:28 I actually like this characterization of megaton. He doesn’t hate Prime he respects him to a point and is even self aware to a certain extent why Optimus will always fight to stop him. He’s aware that the evils he will have to do to achieve this “paradise” are in fact evil. But at the same time he also really does view it as the end justifies the means. It’s almost a Professor X And Magneto conversation they are having.
I really liked how they highlighted the diffrence between optimus and megatron in their conversations With hot rod, After Hodrod had to blow up his Home City. With megatron saying That hotrod should discard his guilt, while optimus says That as leaders it is their responsibilty to carry the guilt.
Makes his later turn even better.
It's MegaTRON
You give Megatron a hint of Perfect Cell and it's Perfect
I certainly started to lean into Taka's Cell, but the main inspiration for the Megatron voice is Fred Tatascoire from the High Moon games, with a little bit of David Kaye
@@spinoguy YESSSSS🦖
@@spinoguy WHY WONT YOU DIE?!
-Fred line in fall of cybertron
@@spinoguy I definitely spotted the David Kaye in there. Armada's (well, the Cybertron trilogy's in general) Megatron was my first exposure to the character, and I've always loved that performance.
@@Yami-no-Raiden hey same. Armada and its designs/voices hold a special place in my heart.
I wonder how people would react if they saw the original G1 cartoon versions of the characters doing this?
Oh god I can only imagine
PLEASE SOMEONE DO IT!!!
Would be amazing.
wow you people are obsessed with g1 give it rest let the fandom change im sick and dired of this G1 worship it wasnt perfect
@@mariharrik5987 how about you mind your own business
I love how this whole thing shows just how... *delusional* Megatron is.
He genuinely seems to believe his new Decepticon empire would last. But the moment he dies, the moment someone kills him or his Spark gives out, it will fall apart. Because it's dependent on him, and him alone.
well cybertronians are inmortal practically some have lived like 20 milions of years. I guess megs simply expect to him nver being taken from power. Also even if he is taken out he know he will come back and have it again, it happen before.
8:07 Megatron: You wanna talk about being horribly maimed? I can talk about being horribly maimed.
He was stuck in Gun Mode! _Gun Mode!_
This was honestly my favorite part of the conversation and I hate it! 😂
I never forget how arrogant Megs can be. Prime too if I’m being honest, but by this point Optimus just wants it done and over. While not the first moment, I like how this scene is where Megatron seems to start to introspect. All his grandiose plans being picked apart and criticized without having the ability to kill the naysayer.
There was a saying I read how, most revolutionary leaders want nothing to with the governance that comes after a major power shift. I feel like, had the war dragged on long enough, even Megs would've inevitably tired out, especially when you factor in his 'ends justify the means'.
The major problem, however, would be when Megs tires himself out enough to be disposed by a subordinate, and to what fate lay in the hands of a 'Con controlled Cybertron.
And yet years later Megatron would talk to Ravage and would admit that when those words were in his head, he thought he didn't mean it but when they left his mouth he found that he did.
"If the world sees you as a monster what does it matter the world is wrong. But when you start to see yourself as a monster..."
Megatron never had any delusions his defection would make up for what he had done, the lives he ended but he did try but never stopped seeing himself as a monster.
Ironic, huh? He was trying to make Prime feel like a monster as well, when he was really just projecting all of his own insecurities
Is this not like the plot of Shrek? You know... Everyone looking you like a monster and starting to belive it, just a bit darker
Sometimes it’s astonishing just how different IDW Megatron is depending on the comic.
It’s what makes his character so great honestly, how in this conversation we see how deep his evil really goes. Bit in More Than Meets The Eye and Lost Light, we see what he could change back into when given the right circumstances. It’s chilling, how they’re both undeniably Megatron but one makes us love to hate him and another makes us feel sorry for him.
What’s even more surprising is that this was written by the guy who wrote MTMTE. He did find a way to reconcile it, and it actually turned out rather well.
1:49 Fun fact, the autobot Megatron was referring to here is Whirl. This was before the war, Megatron and Impactor were hanging out at a bar but got into a fight with others. Megatron was arrested despite not actually involved, in fact he was hiding under a table during the fight. That's when he met Whirl in the jail cell where he was then beaten up..
and then later on Whirl fucks up another mechanical lifeform's war because the good guys had an evil sounding name lmao
I never read the IDW comics, but saw many dubs of this particular conversation. However they all stopped before that one final scene, right after Megatron says "and I don't think I've ever thanked you"
Finally I got to know what he was referring to
I really love how "Sherma Bridge" might be a reference to Transformers Annual 1985 UK. That was technically the firs time they fought on the battlefield at the bridge. Plus, it was great how Optimus and Megatron were flexing the beatings they dealt to each other over the years like as if they were friends for a change.
To be fair, they'd done shit to one another that would put down lesser cybertronians. It be like watching humans getting shot and impaled constantly and still coming back to fight.
Well Roberts was a big fan of Marvel UK, so probably it was. For exemple Overlord was in The last stand of the Wreeckers as main villian because was Nich Roche (artist and writter of the comic) favorite figure when he was a kid xD
@@AlvaroMoragues Okay, that just seals it. Thanks for the info! This is my headcanon now.
i love that optimus took megatrons version of cybertron and just called him a racist
"...At least you're doing something. Keep it up."
No pun intended, but the implications of this hit me like a fucking truck.
Yep
Transformers is more than most people think it ain't always fo kids This a beautifully written scene from idw it's a very broad yet poignant and intense and emotional scene that speaks volumes of both the opposite personalities of these characters
Megatron slowly turns into Liquid Snake as the reading goes on at one point.
To be fair, he was a T-Rex in one incarnation.
Just not a nuke shooting one.
@@TheNapster153 I am patiently waiting for the day of a Transformers X Metal Gear collab. Because I *know* it will be MGRex, and I have some ideas on how it could work.
WHY does the DBZA Cell Games announcement track work so well for Megatron’s violent shift in philosophy and tactics???
It's not even the first time I used it with a Megatron dub actually
Bro he sounds like Cell at some points
I think it has to do with the dread of knowing what's coming. He goes walking off, like an ordinary citizen, while everyone is blissfully unaware of what the next several eons will be like.
That's also just cells theme
Best characterization of both of them. Optimus, clearly trying to understand where it all went to shit; Megatron, slowly remembering why, and everything clicks for both of them.
I’ve always said it, history is defined by the interactions a spare few. The rest of us are caught in the ripples.
It's better. Freedom is the right of all sentient beings? That was something Prime read in Megatron's manuscript.
I have seen multiple versions of this conversation, I think this is my favorite. There's a sort of subtle nuance you add, they feel much more alive here. It is a joy to hear the emotion and the personality ticks that you give them in the voice work here, and I love it!
Thank you! I can't express how much that means to me
This feels like a conversations between lovers turned enemies....
The voice acting give me the impresion that this is like set in the TF animated series future (i know that the comic is from idw) a season Optimus and a tired Megatron witch i liked
Why is Megatron acting so laid-back all the sudden in this comic?
Because he just unearthed footage of the central figure of the autobot/human alliance killing a surrendered decepticon in cold blood, thus compromising everything Prime hoped to achieve on Earth post-war. "What he thinks is a blanket of safety is actually six billion boots on his neck."
Why kind of pose was Megatron striking when sitting?
@@jqplaza Fool's cooling
Every time Megatron repeats for emphasis, I have to stifle a laugh- why is he sucha sassy b? Great work
God DAMN! What an incredible dub! Optimus' patience being repeatedly tested, trying to figure out what goes on in Megatron's twisted processor, Megatron's simmering madness, that SCREAM of pain, and best of all, the Cell Games announcement theme as Megatron takes his first step toward becoming the monster we know. I tip my goddamn hat to you, sir.
This reminds of Dr. Who’s Speech on the Zygon inversion.
“When you’ve killed all the bad guys, and it’s all perfect and just and fair, when you finally have got it exactly the way you want it, what are you going to do with the people like you? The troublemakers? How are you going to protect your glorious revolution, from the next one?”
I live for these two old men.
i love this voice for megs with this design
theyre so unbelievably tragic it hurts me
Idw is peak transformers
I will still never understand why megatron surrendered
You have to read MTMTE - or just check out Megatron and Ravage's conversation - there is a dub of it on YT
Well this time he did it as a trap to finish off all the autobots on earth. Would have succeeded if not for a greater evil emerging.
@@HORRIOR1A certain one-eyed mad scientist.
@@muigokublack6487 no that happened later. This time it was a universe with an attitude problem.
I mean. Megatron has a cannon arm. Makes sense to get it first.
I love this conversation and truly I don’t see Megatron as a bad guy but a guy who has the right goal I. Mind but has no issues with stepping on mountains of bodies to get there. Right destination wrong path. I am against the ideology of most Optimus Primes more so than that of Megatron.
Which i really like they over the years megatron was reshaped from the Saturday morning villain to a machine of Philosophy every version of megatron and the descriptions different changing for base villains to a Rebellion turned Conquerors
I’d say he’s still a bad guy, Even Megs called himself a monster that could never undo his horrible actions and said he deserved the worst at the end of this comic and gave up on his philosophy and decepticon ideology. Right destination or not he still killed over 100 billion people because he saw them as less then him.
@@2bdaqueen268 I don’t deny Megatron is down right ruthless and is the “bad guy” but so is the society that the transformers live in, I would argue that society is far worse than Megatron. Your life was laid out for everyone, you might be a law enforcement officer, a medic or a fighter in GLADIATOR FIGHTS just for the entertainment of others. That society does not like those who want to become more or something else. How many have died being force to be what they weren’t not allowed to question, far more than Megatron has killed for sure.
That's why you are probably evil.
brilliant use of the coronation theme from the movie
I think, down near the bottom of their souls, by where their Sparks begin to touch metal, they bith wish they could be friends.
What a song to end on. Its.....perfect.
every time I watch this I always have to go to the comic dub of megatron and ravage in mtmte. Just, the idea that megatron started realizing the venom in his own words. I like to think if this whole scene was animated, there's be a small moment where you could see Meg's vicious smile slightly faulter as the realization of what he said comes to his head
Can you imagine...IDW being animated as a series, for at least 4-5 seasons, I don't know how many it would actually take, but enough to tell the whole saga, even to get to this moment. Especially the way its presented here, the flashbacks, so finely edited in. This scene alone would be a season finale moment, and it would be glorious.
You kinda skipped the most important part of this: that it was Megatron who was the original author of the "freedom is the right of all sentient beings" line that is recognized as Prime's catch-phrase.
This Optimus Prime voice reminds me of David Kaye’s take on the Autobot Leader.
And Megatron is clearly based on David Kaye’s take on him! Lol
Bro, imagine if David Kaye voiced both Optimus & Megatron. That would be awesome.
You can sort of sympathise with Megatron here, I’m not saying he has any right to all of the damage he’s caused but his whole life has been hounded by the Autobots. From his years in the pits and the battles he endured to the Primes rejecting his vision of Cybertron to the betrayal of Orion when his vision was accepted by the Primes to Orion being turned into Optimus. He’s then been in a war against the Autobots for god knows how many years. It’s sad because him and Optimus were like brothers and Megatron’s noble self has been buried under years and years of hatred and anger and bloodlust where any conscious or cares for his soldiers has been replaced with a harsh brutality where he will do anything to win even if it means hurting or killing his own Decepticons.
That's from the Alligned continuity. And Orion didn't betray him, he went with Megatron to expose their ideas together to the council, how is it his fault that they prefered Orion over Megs given the way they both expressed themselves? Who are they gonna choose the violent one with thirst for power and revenge or the peacful more level headed one? He only saw it as a betrayal because of his massive ego, and even before then he had already ordered the Decepticons to commit acts of terrorism
@@cahe6161 I know Orion didn’t betray Megatron when the went to the council but the way Megatron saw it as Orion used him to get what he wanted. I know what you mean with Orion’s vision they saw a peaceful Cybertron whereas with Megatron’s vision they saw a future full of bodies and destruction.
This is IDW Megs you are talking about aligned
If only Bay had a talk like this in DOTM. Instead, it was “Time to find out.” And slice! Pathetic. Megatron took the step to peace people! Sure, he may have betrayed Prime first chance he got, but G1 Prime at least tries to see the good in anyone. Even Meg’s
The novelization and other media had Prime accepting the truce but when it leaked they changed it so he killed him.
Well you have story leaks to thank for that death, before leaks it was going to be an actual story nd to the war
To be fair Mega did kill him in Age of extinction and assisted his mentor in betraying him so he didn’t really have that much reason to put faith in Megs lol
@@2bdaqueen268 Fair. Fair. But this is Optimus Prime we’re talking about. The real Prime would do everything in his power to bring peace to his people, even spare Megatron.
@@2bdaqueen268 You mean revenge of the fallen, not age of extinction (megatron was galvatron by that point) and if prime and megatron were going to form a truce in the original ending, then it shows prime did have a reason to trust megatron. The two literally would of teamed up against sentinel. Megatron isn't kidding about a goal when he sees teaming up with prime as a necessity to complete said goal
We seen enough prime/megatron team ups to see this
I gotta say, I think I prefer this voice for optimus during this exchange. Nice work man
This is honestly so damn good and I’m not even halfway through it.
Also, if you ever wanted to bring more people in to voice act for Transformers, hit me up. I’d be down for sure.
Im regretting not reading at least this comic. A civil conversation between arch enemies.
Beautiful.
I love how a robot takes a calming breathe....😂
IDW Megatron could have die in so many moments, but the power of the comic kept him alive
Absolutely loved this dub
This is better than Skybound any day of the week.
There were these two guys in a lunatic asylum...And one night, one night they decide they don't like living in an asylum any more. They decide they're going to escape! So, like, they get up onto the roof, and there, just across this narrow gap, they see the rooftops of the town, stretching away in the moon light... stretching away to freedom. Now, the first guy, he jumps right across with no problem. But his friend, his friend did not dare make the leap. Y'see... Y'see, he's afraid of falling. So then, the first guy has an idea... He says 'Hey! I have my flashlight with me! I'll shine it across the gap between the buildings. You can walk along the beam and join me!' B-but the second guy just shakes his head. He suh-says... He says 'Wh-what do you think I am? Crazy? You'd turn it off when I was half way across!'
Everyone else has given their compliments and two cents on this video, so I’m just going to say how much I love how it sounds like you’re channelling David Kaye’s voice acting for both characters. His voices for both fit them so well, and you channel them perfectly.
Love this, it's like Batman and Joker's Killing Joke Dialogue, just beautiful. A sitdown between the hero and villain about all their grievances.
Bro your Megatron sounds like if david kay and DBZA perfect cell had a baby, seriously the perfect combination of sassy and menacing at the same time. Keep up thw good work and keep working on that Megatron voice because one day you might just get a chance to voice super robo hitler in something official!
Even they were in different sides and points of view they have great respect for each other almost you can say friend enemies
This was absolutely stellar!
I love every second of this video. Honestly dubs like these are such huge inspirations for what I wanna do. The storytelling mixed with the raw emotion in the voices work like clockwork to bring such a great story to life!
Keep up the fantastic work!
Transformers One has a lot to live up to
And the trailer gave an awful first impression.
Love this conversation and Dub
This is some great VA fandub - subscribed!
Spectacular
You know what would make this scene better?
TFG2-style robotic speech bubbles and fonts. That is all.
The designs are so good in this!
Optimus looks like his movie self!
This was outstanding
Amazing
thanks for the video
Nice, using a bit of Perfect Cell's theme at the end there
Granted i know that rearranged version cos of TFS but it's just from the actual show.
This is perfection
Great dub 👍
I actually agree with Megatron.
Megatron has a point tho, he did more
The point, Is that he *_Had_* a point. Every despot, every emperor, every tyrant, and two bit dictator *_Had_* a point. At one time or another.
Lowkey wanna hear AI Optimus do this
PEAK 🔥
Nice
Its interesting that in MTMTE, during Megatron's redemption arc, they revisit what Megs was thinking in this moment. I believe he said that he was just saying the most heinous things possible to hurt Prime. He couldn't win physically, so he was trying to torture him mentally
Civil wars are always the worst. If you're fighting a foreign country, you can use xenophobia and propaganda to dull the edge. But in a civil war, things have gotten bad enough to pit brother against brother, and the damage done takes much longer to fade...
The scars in civil war run deeper because a unspoken fundamental trust has been broken. War isn't just an argument, or disagreement its a shattering of safety of innocence, of a belief that we have some inherent moral limits to what we are able to do to each other as a species. But as you said the difference between a war with a foreign country is that you can use the “they aren't one of us” logic it's inherently bigoted and racist but you are not wrong in it being effective in helping your soldiers dehumanize your enemies. But a civil war the enemy for all intents and purposes is your brother, your friend, someone who you have shared laughs with someone you've shared ideals with and because your country couldn't work through an issue without violence you now must kill each other. And when the war is over and the dead are collected and put to rest those alive are forced to remember the things they've said, the wounds they inflicted, and the scars that will forever remain
This was one of my least favorite issues in IDW. The total and absolute character assassination of Optimus prime coming full circle, and doing Megatron no favors either
Mf calls an honest conversation "character assassination"
@@neinja66469 Optimus Primes belief is freedom is the write of all sentient beings. In that conversation he admits Megatron was right all along. That absolutely assassinates his character.
SpongeBob is a menace
I would love to see dialogue like this in the live action/cinema movies.
Both characters sharing their war stories and why they both do what they do and what it truly means to them.
Just subscribe love transformers comics even more went are narrative
I swear your megatron sounds like David Kaye"s
Correct me if I'm wrong, but do you use reploid footsteps from MegaMan X for the Cybertronian footfalls? If you do, I love that idea.
Nope, I use a sfx pack that features most of the sound effects from the G1 cartoon. I pitch up and pitch down the sound whenever I need to.
What's the music which kicks in at 07:00? It sounds very Jablonsky, but I can't find it for the life of me.
Can someone tell me the issue and details about this story I collect transformers comics I been out of the loop for some time trying to get back where I left off please great narrative by the way
EDIT: I know now, Cell Games Announcement is the song
14:19 - 14:47 What was the music used?
Cell games theme tfs
@@masonjackson565 Thanks!
Idw gave us the absolute best g1-centric stories
So was this done with Ai voices or did you just layer a robotic voice over your own?
No AI.
It's actually three separate tracks of the same take, each with an echo effect added and with two of them pitched slightly up and down, respectively.
It's a little much, I'll admit. I'm still finding a healthy balance between them sounding like robots and still having my natural performance come through.
...why does your Megatron sound a little bit like a Simple tailor named Garak?
Jordan James are you G.I. Joe fan?
Op sounds like cap
Do all Transformers/Cybertronians have humanoid appearences?
Your Megatron voice sounds a lot like Perfect Cell from Dragon Ball Z. Also the Stealth Bomber body is the best IDW Megatron design.
14:01 what happened on Rhodian?
Megatron gets arrested and subjected to a fumbled attempt at assassination, thus learning the value and applicability of violence.
whats the name of the song use in 14:25
That's perfect cell's theme from DBZ. A variation of it at least.
The electronic filter is unnecessary. We loose the nuance of your voice performance. It’s like an armature singer using auto tune. You don’t need it.
It's the filter that goes on their voices, it's been used countless times for the Transformers.
@@suohd.sunking6964 And it’s terrible when it’s used. The best Transformers cartoon voice acting performances didn’t need it. G1, Prime, Animated, Beast Wars, RID 2001…
Nah, i like it
Do you have discord, I would like to have in my TF comic dubs