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- Reaction to Mahler - Symphony No.5
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very impressive that you can appreciate Mahler especially after not listening to classical for a long time. His 2nd will always be my favorite.
Hey Gidi thank you for another Mahler reaction...i expected that you would fall in love with the fourth movement...no surprise😊
The adagietto was written for Mahler's wife, Alma, as a love letter.
Edit: Symphony no. 6 is really amazing.
28:58 The second movement should have no shortage of craziness and drama. I can't imagine what it would be like for this to be the first recording of the piece one hears, but maybe that's the problem. I know this recording won the vote, but I don't know what those people are thinking.
Hey! Great stuff you are doing here! You should try reacting to the complete ligeti piano etudes, would be fun for sure
My favorite composer! Mahler is fricking awesome!
Never the less. ,just happy you are playing this piece
One of Mahler's great masterpieces. The Adagietto is sheer musical poetry.
Can't wait until you reach Mahler's 8th. Absolutely breathtaking monument of music!
Spoiler: Gidi has reacted to it twice already. And he loves it.
@@Sh.moon. No way! Is it Patreon-only or eventually going to be on CZcams?
@@KrivitskyM I think it will eventually be made public, but it is patreon-only for now.
@@Sh.moon. just curious, but why twice?
@@keliwana2946 he reacted to two different recordings. He did so because one patreon member requested him to react to the Bernstein/VPO performance, and another member requested him to react to the Chailly/Lucerne performance.
Gidi just wanted to say you are the fucking man! Love you dude
Around the 5 min. and 50 min. mark , it was beautiful, I picture a ballet dance of PAS DE DEUX I think it's called. Mahler is one of my favorites for dramatic symphony, Loved it! 🙂
Great symphony!!!
Great reaction!!
I recommend Shostakovich 7th symphony and Mahler's 8th!
You'll love it!
Shostakovich 7 is great!!!!
The first movement of the Mahler 8 will blow your mind.
Hey Gidi,
you need to check out Schubert's Wanderer Fantasie. It's amazing and one of his best pieces imo
If you want some really cool cello concertos to listen to (since you havent really checked much out): Prokofiev's Sinfonia Concertante, Shostakovich's Cello Concerto 1, and Dvorak's Cello Concerto are my favorite three and you should listen to them
What an amazing symphony! Glad you enjoyed it, Gidi! This interpretation is indeed not very good at all, but I am glad you enjoyed it anyways, but Gidi you need to try out different ones! I will always champion Barenboim with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra.
I have to agree with many people commenting here - I'm not convinced this was the best interpretation to pick. A big challenge in interpreting this piece is making the first two movements makes sense together, so what GIDI says is pretty much spot on. Lenny was not infallable, as much as we love him.
My favorite Mahler's symphony.
Hi, for mahler’s 6th i would recomend the version of galicia symphony orchestra with dima slobodeniuk, their records sound amazing
I still stand by the opinion that the Abbado Recording would have been much better. I dont understand how people can prefer this. Just from a recording perspective its so much worse, it sounds really muddy, you cant hear the individual Instruments and loud sections arent really very loud and thus dont seem as powerful as they should.
Yes, but abbado is so boring. Try Karajan/Levine or Bernstein on DG
We are judging filmed performances. And out of those Abbado takes the cake.@@mauryq2150
Abbado always has high quality, solid recordings... that will put you to sleep. I have never found a single recording of his that was not boring. Nothing is unprepared, nothing is left to chance, everything is meticulously calculated. It's like he's trying to show you how great he is at conducting rather than express the music.
@@georgepantzikis7988 He has his moments but overall he is micromeneger, who destroy the form. His Rossini, Verdi and Mendelssohn and Brahms were great but Beethoven, Mozart, Bruckner, Mahler are unlistenable
100% agree, the sound is really bad, it's not the first time Gidi discovers Mahler with a bad Bernstein video :(
Pleasee react to Bruckner's 8th next, if you're looking for craziness and drama. If you're up to a challenge, i suggest Celibidache's 100 minute recording, available on youtube. But if you want more a more conventional interpretation, go with Gunter Wand and NDR (the Lubeck one). Hope you will react to it soon!
Personally Celibidache and Boulez's in the St. Florian are top tier
I suggest Furtwangler/Wiener Philharmoniker, 1944. Nothing comes close to it.
The adagietto!
hi gidi, if you liked the mahler 5 then check out the karajan version
Gidi, please react to some of my favorites pieces like Faust et Helene - Lili Boulanger or the psalms Or maybe The uirapuru from Villa-Lobos, a brazilian composer! Im sure you will enjoy!
Has anyone heard Barenboim conducting Chicago in M5? Outstanding
Love the piece, don't love the recording. But can't wait to hear what you think!
*Edit;* dislike the recording even more than I remember.. I just don't think its a very good representation of the piece, *especially* on first listen when you don't know what you're listening for.
For me either Karajan or Levine are the way to go, hell even Abbado, though I'm not too big of a fan there either ;)
Totally with you. The VPO and Mahler were at odds at those time and Bernstein had not yet warmed them up to him. That came in the later peformances. But the 5th out of this cycle is really not recommendable.
Public Vote is not always right. Out of the suggested recordings either Abbado, for a videographed performance, or Karajan for a pure listening experience should have been the pick.
I really hope for the 6th Bernstein's filmed version does not win again. Because it is also not that good. His later recording with the Concertgebouw however is probably the best recording of the 6th ever made.
I'm pretty certain that for the 6th it'll be the Bernstein/Vienna 89 recording. I think the 5th suffers from not having a cut and dry reference recording (except maybe the karajan?, but going by views on CZcams maybe not), whereas the 6th that seems to get talked about most is that 89 one, deservedly so imo.
I think Bernstein has 3 Mahler reference recordings, being the 3rd with Boston, 6th with Vienna, and (what I'm betting on winning) the 7th with NY. But *none* from _this_ cycle are noteworthy.
Claudio Abbado
"I'm pretty certain that for the 6th it'll be the Bernstein/Vienna 89 recording."
The 89 recording is with the Concertgebouw. It's the good one.
@@harveychilds3992
Then I meant Vienna 88 :)
I admit I've not heard the Concertgebouw one, but I'm still certain it won't be the one that's picked. Vienna is still the reference recording in my mind (just wait for the Hurwitz video!)
I’ve read that Leonard Bernstein was buried with a score of this piece across his heart
I personally prefer Claudo Abbados recording! Thanks for reacting another masterpiece Gidi!
"Muerte en Venecia" de Visconti, con la exquisita Silvana Mangano.
Mahler quoted in the beggining of his 5th the 4 notes motif of Beethoven's 5th. Tá tá tá TÁ .
If you listen to Haydn's military symphony you'll find an almost identical motif in the second movement :)
@@tonyxie7283 Some coincidences may happens, composers using the same motif, the problem is that both are the beginning of 5h symphony. For me Mahler made a kind of homage to Beethoven
Nah... It's just a military theme for fanfares.
Both in the 5th symphony? A big coincidence. Why Mahler waited 5 symphonies to use this motif in the beginning of one of his symphonies? By the way, the beginning of Mahler´s first was gotten from beggining of Beethoven´s 4th, so some times Mahler liked to do that. @@markmmv
@@fernandocesar4636 The 5th quote is more apparent in the 2nd movement.
"I wish a bit more craziness and loudness" after hearing 2nd movement? 0_0
Maybe it has to do with the sound of the video which seems very compressed but it's already really crazy and loud at times...
great reaction to the rest of the symphony though :)
the sound is awful
A composer in the same style as Mahler and maybe even better is Richard Strauss. You should maybe take time some time to listen to his Sinfonia domestica or Eine Alpensifonie which are both really great pieces. The fact that you take some time to go into Mahler's pieces is probably due to his brutal changes of ideas without a clear transition. In Strauss, everything has a link and you're therefore able to understand the piece better.
Hope you will react one day to these two pieces!
Better version of the symphony. Listen to this one instead:
czcams.com/video/vOvXhyldUko/video.html
Thank you for your reaction, Gidi.
I appreciate it 👾👾👾👾
But this record is pretty bad, to be honest...
Glad you picked Bernstein. . The 5th doesn't need to be played with reverence but with power.
You are right when asking how can a human compose something of this magnitude? That's what Mahler is!
Yeah this recording the trumpet solo is a little bit rushed and certain parts of it are a bit disjointed, at least at the beginning of this clip
I knew our boy would choose one of the goats to enjoy the Fifth, and I knew that any of them would be a bad option. I mean I've been looking for a suitable version of the Fifth for decades and it wasn't until recently, in my 30s, that I was able to find one - Saraste/WDR. It might sound exotic, but the reading, the performance and especially the sound mix are top notch. Bernie/Vienna were definetly not up to par here.
Kirill Kondrashin/USSR SO. IYKYK.
I love this symphony, one of my absolute favourites. But i don't know, something is very off with this interpretation. How it sounds, the tempo, i don't like it.
Because it's Mr. Extreme tempo changes guy Lenny conducting it.... I never listen to any of his Mahler recordings.
I'm glad I'm not the only one. This is the symphony that made me a fan of Mahler and it's probably one of his symphonies that I know the best, but this recording can't convince me and feels "off", like you say. I can appreciate Bernstein's interpretation of Mahler 2, but I really like Abbado's recordings with the Lucerne Festival Orchestra for pretty much all the Mahler symphonies.
It's hard for me to judge the interpretation separately from the bad sonics. I think the playing is also slovenly, but the sonics no doubt make it sound even more muddled than it would have under ideal circumstances.
Bernstein had a bit of a chequered history with Mahler's 5th. His first recording with the New York Phil was almost certainly the weakest in his Sony cycle. He did it better with Vienna, although even there some issues remained.
His final recording of the 5th made with the VPO in Frankfurt is really good. Even though again the tempi are quite extreme at times.@@ftumschk
One of the best symphonies ever written, but I’m so fascinated by the opinions on interpretation..
My 2 cents… the comments on the actual video of this performance are interestingly 95% super positive. Personally I don’t *hate* it, but having played it under Sakari Oramo last year, this rendition for me just feels really old fashioned and it’s WILDLY different from what I experienced as a player, and having seen it a couple of times live in London in recent years.
I think people are quick to be so scathing and negative as if interpretation is black and white, but it’s personal, and you can see Bernstein is totally living it from start to finish. And look at the orchestra in this video… There’s not a woman nor non-white face in sight and it’s probably a performance from the 80s(??) so it’s a different world to now, but it still sounds great even if it’s not to everyone’s taste/completely accurate to the score. I do think you MAY have had a better time listening to a more current orchestra’s performance but you smiled and headbanged to this regardless! 😊
This is from 70s and sound of Wiener Phil was much better than now. One thing is: Wieners hate Mahler at that time, even Bernstein was struggling with them in rehearsals (it's on video). He did much better interpretation with them in late '80. In my opinion todays orchestras are too soft and play without tension becouse of smaller amount of players and different technique.
Who cares if there is no woman or a non-white face in sight? What a strange thing to point out.
When people tell you to listen bernstein they mean the Sony an DG realeseas, this video versions are good to see bernstein dancing on the podium but is lacking good audio quality by a mile you're loosing so much of Mahler, I would recomend you hear Karajan's or Levine's rendition of this symphony, for the 6th hear bernstein version but without video, the one from 1987 is crazyness and madness and youll hear real Mahler
This is not an accurate rendering on how this piece should sound. The recording is very compressed, in such a way where the soft sections are the same volume as the loud sections. Furthermore, the sound is very muddy, which results in losing clarity in the inner voices and not being able to hear some important passages at all. Listen to Lenny’s version on DG with Vienna, Mehta conducting the NYPO, or Barenboim conducting Chicago, and you’ll truly understand the power of this symphony.
This isn’t my favorite version at all…if anyone’s heard the Gyeonggi Philharmonic conducted by Shiyeon Sung. Sound quality, style, tempo. All perfect. czcams.com/video/RHiZYZmA6Wk/video.htmlsi=XqM0JOH5wN-7hs9l
Yea the sound of this recording is non satisfactory to say the least. Compare it with Abbado with Lucern Festival Orchestra f.ex. The performance is not great but its a live performance and its always fun to watch Bernstein conduct. Interpretation is a matter of opinion but this is as slow as you can get in the slow movement.
What a horrible sounding recording, how did this win the vote??
Terrible Interpretation
It's really strange that this version won the poll...
@@markmmv Agreed. I generally love Bernstein's Mahler, but he never really got the 5th right, imho.
He got it right the 3rd time with his DG recording.@@ftumschk
@@Quotenwagnerianer Yes, that's easily his best on record.
@@markmmv People on discord generally like video recordings than audio-only recordings, and they generally like Bernstein. The result is this.
This version would have my vote for worst version ever. Those voters aren't real listeners.
Same problem with the Bruckner..... (Well it wasn't the worst version but definitely not in the top ..... They just vote the most well known conductor.... )
What's wrong with you
I'm assuming you aren't a bernstein fan
I can't speak for them, but I'm very much a Bernstein fan and think he is great in Mahler. Just not in the 5th and particularly not in this recording. That is also the fault of the Orchestra in this case. They redeemed themselves about 15 years later when he recorded the symphony with the same orchestra again. That time they really hit the mark.@@classicalricky
I'm sorry but that Karajan 7th is widely regarded as one of the best recordings of the 7th ever.@@sergei-prokofiev