Who Are The Dragon Sovereigns | Genshin Impact Lore and Theory
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- The Elemental Dragon Sovereigns, the Hydro Dragon and the archons elemental authority are all anyone is talking about nowadays because of Neuvillette and the situation in Fontaine.
But the history and lore of the dragons has been a bit hard to understand so, I've explained it here so even a beginner to the world of Genshin Impact can understand.
0:00 Intro
0:34 Who Are The Dragon Sovereigns?
1:34 What Happened to the Dragon Sovereigns
5:50 The Aftermath Of The War with the Dragons
7:08 The Dragon Sovereign of Hydro- Neuvillette
7:56 Why Are The Dragon Sovereigns a Secret?
10:59 What Happens If The Dragon Sovereigns Come Back
12:20 A Theory About The Archon War and The Gnoses
13:31 The Statues Of The Seven
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Nuevellete and Kaeya will have such huge endgame avengers moment I can’t wait.
Well we already know Kaeya is one of the most important characters in the long run. He’s going to have to pick a side most likely. His home or the home that actually raised him
Omg imagine if kaeya is the CRYO dragon,since he has the majestical constellation that looks like a dragon😻
@@Hyeinniiibro has never seen or heard of a peacock☠️
@@kannan07lol 😂😂😂
@@SammiSkulzwait why is he so important? I think i remember something about this but its been a long time.
In Japanese Chinese and Korean, gnosis is called gods heart and vision is called gods eye.
A But more metal to be honest. Imagine having the eye of a god and now you can shot ice out of you hands
well written, well executed, wonderful presentation. I NEVER thought that the statue is the 7 captured the moment the archon of their respective region was the moment they received the elemental authority from celestia. It adds a new layer of depth not seen before. earned my sub 10/10 keep it up please. the quality is very good.
A lot of people also think the statues pose, represent the personality of each archon too!!
Thank you!! I'm so glad you enjoyed and thank you for the sub😁
Imagine Kokomi seeing Neuvillette walking towards the skeletal remain of Orobaxi and shows middle finger while saying, "Sucks to be you. I got reincarnated as a human while you, here, dead.".
lmao.
🤣
Anytime I hear about the sovereigns and the primordial one I keep thinking back to the dinosaurs that used to live until the meteor rite destroyed majority of them and now humanity lives after that.
DAMN FR THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING ABOUT TOO 😭✋🏻✨ , like that kinda make sense how dinosaur got destroyed and human life started to begin ....
travail trailer opening quotes by dain in chinese:
The gods gilded the sihouette of desires with seven types of colors.
and used this chance to declair that their power could also be attained by others.
english
the gods goaded us on with the promise of seven treasures, rewards for the worth, a doorway to divinity.
--
i this this clearly tells us, through dain's recounting of history, that the whole archon war was initiated by celestia under the pretense of giving out treasures, only to find seven suitable "hosts" to hold the hearts of the dragons, and forced them to sign a NDA as well.
I like the way you put that. Also it's always interesting to see how the Chinese and English translations differ although they usually say essentially the same thing.
I wish we know what the pyro Cryo and electro sovereign looks like
man the parts about the statues and Rukkhadevata being sad when she received the gnosis cause her friends sacrificed themselves hit me harder than it should have 😭
Ikr? As I was researching to come to this conclusion I started to feel really sorry for her because they were all obviously very close and it all started to fall apart because of Deshret's greed. Now I know that she was also friends with Egeria, who eventually died too so she really lost everyone until she eventually had to be erased anyway.
Hoyoverse sure knows how to pull on the heartstrings
What if Traveler is dragon king Nibelung? Just read these texts from Traveler profile. They fits so good to Nibelung.
Don't lose faith in that which you have lost. In this new world, you will never be alone. Where you leave your footprints, and where you have yet to stride - your new world will unfold before you.
Welcome to a new world.
The world you once knew is but dust, and the wonders you knew but rubble. Though you should have your own world, and your own people - lamenting what is already lost...
I cant explain, why Traveler have sibling, if he/she could be Nibelung. Maybe it is like with Yin and yang - two parts of one.
That description in the Travelers profile sure is sus, I cant wait till we finally get some more lore on them, and your right, in a way they are similar.
very good theory since in the cutscene with dvalin where the abyss mage says "its time to serve its true master" is indicating that the abyss sibling was dvalin's true master despite being an outsider,
i know dvalin isnt stated to be a sovereign but dragons/vishaps in tevat serves the dragonking anyway before the primordial one took over
adding the fact that vishaps reincarnate and the destruction of khaenri'ah is kinda pointing in your theory, and Nibuleng did actually went outside Tevat to get forbidden knowledge, which could be the reason for him/her to be reincarnated somewhere outside Tevat, cause of the forbidden knowledge's corruption,
i heard theories about khaenri'ah is the one who summoned/called the siblings so the primordial one sent someone to stop it thus its destruction
in your sibling's journey he/she discovers his/her true identity and began to alter it, also allowing you the traveler to continue in your journey indicates that, you the traveler isnt complete or "Awakened" so you need to complete your journey 1st before you can join your sibling, which could be the reason why the sibling didnt stop you in your 1st meeting
your memory being jogged is pretty much same as Neuvilette stating that he doesnt have all the memories from his predecessor,
but in the end this is just my brain farting based on what gassy info i got
Doupt that they don’t have any dragon like features and are inspired by mythology of gods rather then dragons plus they also say there not from this world
hmm interesting maybe they were dragon but split into 2 parts? but that wouldn't explain why they reek of stars?? like all have sugested that they smell like stars while paimon like moon
@@riddhimachaudhary616 ye plus there not from this world and have travelled countless others
Before the Cataclysm, Teyvat was always under the surveillance of The Heavenly Principles. It's strange that after everything that has happened in Teyvat; Venti's Gnosis got stolen(probably just a stage play, since Venti has a lot of secrets). Zhongli, making a contract with The Tsaritsa willingly agrees with the Cryo Archon's plans, Raiden Ei tossing the Gnosis to Yae Miko like it was just a toy and then this Guji Yae trades it for Traveller's life, Nahida sought to destroy the Gnosis eventually trades off both the Electro and Dendro Gnosis for "The Truth of this world" and gave it to Dottorre, Focalor killing her divinity in order to return the power of the Gnosis to the rightful Owner who was Neuvillette, After everything that had happened Celestia is silent, Why?
I believe that all the answers will be revealed in Natlan. The Pyro Archon will tell us the dirty little secrets of Teyvat and Celestia.
wow thats new. never thought orobashi was a contender for Liyue
Yep, Zhongli was unstoppable and I think he had the most contenders vying for his land. The new world quest in Chenyu Vale has lore about the Archon War in it too. Very interesting.
@@theunlikelygenshingamer really thought he was from Inazuma due to his electro element (I suppose)
With the Gnosis being the power stolen from the Dragon Sovereigns, it kinda makes sense why when Venessa ascends to Celestia, it looks like a prison.
What if the Gnosis are actually growing in power and when it gets to a certain point, that excess turns into a vision? That would keep the dragons' power in the gnosis in check. And if that power in a vision grows enough, they're sent to celestia's prison to keep them in check as well.
That is a very interesting and dark way to look at it. Even Venti said it's no good up there. Something is definitely up about that place.
@@theunlikelygenshingamergnosis are made from the 3rd descender
thank you sm for this video. Genshin lore is so interesting but I struggle to keep up with its delivery in game.
Thank you so much for watching and a special thanks for the sub, I'm really glad you enjoyed😁
since zhongli descended to teyvat 6000 years ago(+his symbology), i have a feeling he knows something about teyvat's early past too
as an enjoyer of dragons, i cant wait to see more sovereigns, if alive
but if the dragon king is the 2nd who came and is assumingly the celestia of now(i think it was implied thry won?), how and why didnt he correct what phanes did? and i assume they also appointed the archons?
apart from a gnosis and statue, they were provided with a new name too, i think
either way hope it all ends on a better note between the two parties, and not as dark
I realize a few people got confused by this thing about the Dragon King. I don't at all believe the dragon King is the Second Who came since he originated from Teyvat, but rather that the forbidden knowledge he brought with him, which is essentially the Abyss is the the Second Who came. And if we think about it the Abyss has always been fighting to dominate the Celestia side of things.
I made a video explaining why it's almost proven that the Abyss it self is the Second Throne.
neuvillette is now ruling fontaine according to focalors wishes lol
this just my theory , that cryo archon gather all gnosis and combine all the power into 1 host and this host will be the sibling than they use it to attacking celestia
Thats a really interesting theory, I was actually considering that she wants them for what we now know they're made of. It basically proven now because what the Knave got is a an empty gnosis but they still wanted it.
@@theunlikelygenshingamer knave didn't get an empty knosis, it got the same kinda knosis all the others are. They're referred to as conduits not the source of the throne's power per say, so the knosis is as strong with or without the archon throne, because its power is similiar as the traveller
@@HoneyDoll894 I'm not saying it's not useful but it doesn't contain the power of hydro in it anymore. So for example it the electro one had received similar treatment they couldn't have powered a God of electro with it. Obviously though it is still a powerful relic perhaps it can be used to capture or focus an different element but I'm just saying Neuvillette now contains all the hydro controlling power so what the Knave got isn't going to look like the other gnosises
Reading this I realized that she’s probably trying to bring the third descender back
@@HoneyDoll894 The power in the gnosis comes from the dragons so no, the only thing that is left with the gnosis is the fact they are made out of the remains of the 3rd descender
You know I have a theory , I don't know lore that much but all I can do is make things up so this is what I made up recently. Venti is actually a part of anemo dragon sovereign , after the battle between anemo sovereign and primordial one the anemo dragon died and his body scattered into thousand wind spirits which is what we call thousand winds , barbatos being one of those wind spirits makes him a part of it and that's why celestia didn't want to give him the gnosis in the first place incase if he regains his dragon hood by accumulating the 1000 wind spirits but she had to give him the gnosis cuz she was out of options.....(anyone please don't get angry 😅 I made it up)
First of all, im not one of those folks who gets heated because people dont agree with them and second i love seeing you guys suggesting theories of your own. In my opinion it enriches the community and you theory isnt even all that far fetched. Its true that Venti seems to be a segment of someone because of his description of being one of the thousand winds, apparently Istaroth the Shade of time has that very title, making Venti a division of her. Still you raise a very interseting point about what exactly has become of the original Anemo sovereign.
Anyway thanks for watching and commenting. Always feel free to share your thoughts on my videos, i really appreciate them.
@@theunlikelygenshingamer thanks for appreciating man 😌 I really like the lore of this game but can't get enough time to read everything because of you know the game itself😕, it's like I always have something to do in the game but I promise I'll read the in game books so that I can come up with more accurate theories ✌
it seems like the statues are now confirmed to not be the original archons, since Fontaines is of Focalors and not Egeria.
I'm not so sure yet, we were only ever able to see the Egeria head on that stone tablet just as Nahida looks strikingly similar to Rukkadevata then Focalors who Egeria also made, could look very similar as well. We'll have to wait and see.
I appreciate you going through the lore slowly and concisely. I can't really follow a lot of other videos because they go too fast and are all over the place ♥︎
Thank you! ❤️
Zhongli when receiving his gnosis:😎
zhongli using contract to not be killed by celestia is a smart move
Never once made the connection that the Statues of the Seven could potentially be giant Gnoses. That’s actually super interesting to think about, and makes sense as to why their beams shoot up into the sky, because they are still connected and resonating with Celestia. Makes me wonder if they’re like a failsafe switch designed by the Heavenly Principles themselves in case anything were to happen to all the Gnoses at one time. Almost as if they’re a secondary “wake up” switch for Celestia. Just a theory tho, but it kinda makes sense in my head
That is a really interesting thought. I love when you guys theorize in the comments cause it's like we're having a giant conversation that helps work out even more theories🙂
Damn. I just spoiled myself. I haven't even unlocked Enkanomiya or started Fontaine quests and Nahida quest, but I watched this.
Well at the very least you'll be well informed when you unlock that content.
Thanks for watching 😁
I thought that the Archons gained the authority of their elements from the dragons yes, but it was more like them taking the throne/position of their element. Also, I thought that their gnosis’ were from the third descender, whoever that is, not created from stealing the Dragon’s authorities
The gnosis and the authority aren't one and the same. The gnosis were made from the descender's remains but the authority or throne was stripped from the sovereigns and given to the archons
Omg....i clicked on this video...just cause I love neuvii so muchh...I just played genshin for the mere sake of enjoying the fun of powering up my characters and seeing those dmg numberes...duh!!...never really gave much care for the lore and all ...and wow...ur video...just really blew my mind...it was sooooo fun to watch...it was entertaining, informative, really made me feel the need to catch up on the lores...thank u soo much...also wowww...ur video editing is crazy...like u must have spend hours on them...and to get those clips and all... amazing!!..I hope to see more of such really exciteing lore and gameplays...!!😉
Thank you so much! You're comment made all those hours of editing completely worth it and now I have a big stupid smile on my face lol. Thanks for that😁.
@@theunlikelygenshingamerHehe...glad i commented....(fun fact - I never do 😅) the video just looked soo professional and just soo really awesome...I just wanted to..
And where did u even ge those clips at the start...abt the dragons and all...like omg...they looked cool !!!...im sure u did a lotttt of research!!!...hope u reach amazing heights..
@@johntomtony4098 Those are actually from Honkai Starrail's lore which is rumored to possibly be connected. I'm really glad they worked out
It's true she did take hours she was thinking for so long about where to get dragon footage and even went to honkai star rail to try and find the perfect one.
@@Aimy_arts Oh ya...that's some crazy dedication right there...!!!
I love your voice and in-depth explanation of lore. Keep it going ❤
I watched many lore videos and it still confuses me but your video has given me a lot more and it filled the plot holes that missing to the once I watched. You deserve a sub 👍❤
Really great and informative video!
I need to start paying attention to the story, cuz I thought Neuvillette was the true hydro archon and that he was just using Furina as a puppet, and I had no clue about the origins of the knosis.
Thank you! I'm so glad I could be of service. Here's to 4.2 and what ever new Lore bombs we'll encounter there 😁
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My guess are names are:
-Apep(already exist) the Dendro Sovereign
-Leviathan the Hydro Sovereign(Neuvillette's a Leviathan by the looks of his constellation)
-Quetzalcoati the Pyro Sovereign
-Jormungandr the Cryo Sovereign
-Ryūjin the Electro Sovereign
-Ouroboros(Dainsleif's constellation is called that) the Anemo Sovereign
-Lòng the Geo Sovereign
Ooh those are some interesting theories for the names. Especially Jormungandr for the cryo region, I think it would tie in nicely. Though I personally think that Azhdaha is the original Geo Sovereign because it is said that he is older than the mountains themselves.
But we'll just have to wait till we learn more.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
@@theunlikelygenshingamer
I don't think Azhdaha is the dragon Sovereign. Yes he maybe older than mountains. But other dragons exist as well not just Sovereigns. He's probaly a follower to the geo Sovereign like how the Adepti are followers to zhongli
@@theunlikelygenshingamer or be maybe children of the geo Sovereign like how the wenut is to apep
@@aloywong658 it's true that it he could just be another dragon but he is called king of the Vishaps and I find it interesting that Zhongli called him 'The Earth Dragon' when talking about how strong he was rather than 'a earth dragon' you know what I mean? Like he was one of a kind or something.
Still we definitely don't know enough yet so we can just have fun theorizing
@@theunlikelygenshingamer since next year is the year of the dragon for Chinese New Year, Liyue's lantern rite might give more lore on the geo Sovereign.
Very very nice video. Really informative. I searched for dragon sovereign and your video came up. I'm a new subscriber and look forward to watching all your videos.
Thank you very much😁. Im so glad I could entertain and inform you. I have a new set of videos coming out soon so stay tuned and I hope to see you there.
Orobashi Did Nothing Wrong you cannot change my mind
Congrats, your last line came true.
Feels good being right 😜Thanks for watching and commenting. 🙂
@@theunlikelygenshingamerWho are the electro sovereign?
@@Averagehuman1234 it's lying dead beneath Inazuma from what it's speculated... you'll know if you pay attention to the Inazuma world quest where we were trying to help with 5 thunder sakura trees
@@ravishukla7493 I doubt it's dead..And if it is, then eventually we'll see an heir
@@Uhm...no444 Well probably... As the exact statement was that thunder sakura trees were being used to suppress what's lying beneath.. so maybe yeah you might be right.
Your way of narrating is wonderful
Thank you!!
@@theunlikelygenshingamer no thank YOU
Soooo. Lemme figure out the timeline. There's the thing you find in Dragonspine written by a resident of Sal Vindagnyr after it had been nailed and was frozen and unlivable talking about rumors of a nation without gods being built. I don't remember the terminology used... but that seems to mean Khaenri'ah was established just after the ancient civilization was destroyed by the celestial nails... which were sent down during or soon after the war with the Second Who Came...?
So the ancient unified civilization was established by the First after they defeated the dragons, that unified civilization was destroyed in collateral damage during the War of Vengeance with the Second (probably Nibelung), which was when Khaenri'ah was established because they were done with gods at this point. This also may be why Khaenri'ah was underground, since the surface was nearly destroyed by the war with the Second. Aaaaand we don't know anything about the time between the Second and Third. Then the Third Descender arrived and was killed and their body used to make the gnoses, and we still don't know who that was. Then there was the Archon War and the establishment of the Seven, then thousands of years passed, then 500 years ago was the Cataclysm. I think....?
I think you have it perfectly😁 although I believe the second who came is the mysterious Sinner who is heavily connected to the Abyss but that's a different theory and different video.
Also after Enkanomiya fell but before Orabashi moved them to the surface, Khaenri’ah had dealings with them as well further proving they were contemporaries at one point. I fact they had sent dignitaries to look for that same book we get so much lore from "before sun and moon".
But you know what else I find very interesting? In Neuvillette's character story about Visions he says that the usurper and another who came made the Gnoses "together" because the usurper was too weak after the war with the dragons finally ended to uphold the order they had established.
You should read the whole thing over at the wiki. I think it's very important that he says they made them together as though it was some one who was killed and used but some one who complicity became the Gnoses as part of a plan.
I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts when you see the whole thing.
You right on neuv ruling fontaine
Yeah and about the gnosis not being the authority, Neuvillette was so cool though
@@theunlikelygenshingamerhe was sad that Focalurs died
neuvillette is now the hydro archon as matter a fact .
@kazutokirigayagyt he's has the title as the archon, but he is, in fact, the hydro dragon sovereign, since furina gave him her title (i think). much different than an archon since they do not need to obey the laws of celestia
@@felfuri2246 exactly. all archons are thieves
such a great video!
Why is Tsaritsa sending those bloody harbingers to get all Gnosis?? Does she want to ensure that Gnoses don't fall in hands of sovereigns again?
After what we learned from Skirk, she maybe collecting the curses that the gnoses represent to power something massive.
Gnosis does not have connection against the dragon's authority.
Gnosis isn’t connected to the sovereign dragons, Gnosis are the container of the Dragon’s Authority over an element. Neuv giving the Hydro Gnosis to the Knave doesn’t lose his Authority over Hydro. Also Skirk revealed that a Gnosis is a remains of the Third Descender, that is what the Tsaritsa is after. The other 4 Archons gave away their Gnosis but didn’t lose their authority over their respected elements
@@user-ky8wv7vw5h don't teach me about lore i know all about it and read carefully what i said, i mean to say why Tsaritsa wants the Gnosis??!!
this here 12:43 now after 4.2 we know that its the archon's powers itself aka the throne of the elements which has the powers of the dragons coz when focalores gave the hydro powers to the original one even the throne got destroyed and hence no hydro archon officially and focalores being the last hydro and furina being a normal human with hydro vision granted by neuvillette so i think GNOSIS are more of a thing which can control the immense energy of the dragons and that enery can be controlled but since focalores gave back the power to the original owner its just a chess piece... JUST MY THEORY AFTER 4.2
WAIT SO HOW DOES THE GNOSIS ALSO TIE INTO THE FIRST DESCENDER BC THATS WHAT NEUVILLETTE SAYS AT THE END OF FONTAINE ARCHON QUEST
Yeah i too was thinking that gnosis is not authority but the throne itself is ..cause the hydro authority is still with neuvillette even after he gave the gnosis to fatui.. and so does other archin who willingly gave the gnosis
Well Neuvillette's character stories now tell us that when the Primordial one won the battle they were so weak from it that they and another teamed up to create the gnosises to establish a new method of keeping the dragons power from them.
Do you think the cryo and electro dragons will be reborn in human form?
I'm not sure. The hydro element seems to be a stickler for purity and so diverted the chain of succession towards a human. Electro and Cryo don't seem as troubled by that.
But I just thought of something. I think Vishap people are more common than we think. And are simply hiding in plain sight, after all they are very good at evolution.
But only hydro was actually going to choose a Sovereign from among them instead.
i don’t think enkanomiya and the civilizations on dragonspine and the chasm are the same, nor do i remember anything in game that points to them even being around at the same time.
It hasn't been linked in game but if you look at the statues in enkanomiya and the ones in the Chasm, they are broken so identically that it's uncanny.
Until there is proof otherwise, I'm convinced they are representing the same civilization.
@@theunlikelygenshingamer okay i can get that, but were they around during khaenriah or after?
@@antisocialavarice Dainslief directly said that they are older than Khaenri’ah When he saw them. And Khaenri’ah has been around at least since the Archon war because Guizhong used to study their ruin machines and she died in the Archon War. So those ruins are really old.
@@theunlikelygenshingamer Ahhh, I need to remember this about Guizhong. I always have the idea that Khaenri'ah was destroyed relatively early in its civilization, but it was around for thousands of years.
Great video! ThanX ☮️⭐️✨🌙
You know what’s going to be tragic. Is if the celestial people are right and Nuev actually breaks character and wants to fight them.
do you think the dragon king became the third descender ? (im not sure if descenders /Must/ be beings never from teyvat but if thats the case then maybe him leaving and what he brought back/what he did out there changed his status in the eyes of celestia) because if he brought the second who came back with him from the abyss then it makes sense why they and the primordial one would use his body for creating the gnoses 🙊 maybe ? i still get confused on my pre archon war lore LOL
i just think that it adds more of a connection between him and the ones who made the gnoses. also as a dragon it would make sense why his body has compatibility with something that harbours stolen dragon powers
also ive just found your videos and im so glad you kept it clear what was a retelling/explanation of lore and what you thought of yourself/theorised off the lore!!! i find it so confusing sometimes, because i cant read a lot of text myself, to figure out whats confirmed, whats implied, whats speculation and whats complete opinion in lore videos 🥲
I've actually been wondering this myself, but I feel as though Nibelung is too well known amongst the dragons including Neuvillette and I feel as though the definition of a descender is that they their nationality is actually somewhere else. You know what I mean? Like it's not just that they came from outside of Teyvat but that their original home was somewhere.
If that's the way it is then he shouldnt be considered a descender. Still I think there is something very important about him just under our noses that we haven't realized yet.
Anyway thank you so much for watching and commenting I appreciate it so much.
@@theunlikelygenshingamer Is it possible that Nibelung is the sinner of the Abyss? He is the sinner because he brought forbidden knowledge back to fight against the Heavenly Principels.
I know you've said that the sinner may be the enbodiment of the Abyss' will, and I don't think Nibelung being the sinner will contradict that, mainly that the Abyss might be assimilating the will of others. It assimilated Nibelung and may have assimilated the Traveller's sibling. This may be why the Sibling got recorded in Irminsul, they got tainted with bits of Nibelung's will via the Abyss.
@@tomhsia4354 you make a good point actually. Nibelung's deed of having brought forbidden knowledge into the world could very much qualify him for the title of the Sinner after all the term has been used plenty of times to describe Khaenri’ahs and enkanomiyans who went against Celestia laws and therefore 'sinned'. I still Nibelung will be introduced later in the game as someone completely different from that sinister crystal, but you definitely have me thinking about this🤔
I think it is heavily implied that azhdaha is the geo sovereign he even called zhongli an usurper like neuvillette
Yeah, and he says something interesting when u first fight him. He says he's older than the mountains and the 'ocean that decides' .
Is that the Primordial Sea. It seems to fit the description of an ocean bent on deciding peoples fates.
@@theunlikelygenshingamer if he is that old he has to be the og right?
@@donkey_mediocre7246 I kind of feel like he is because he was sealed away. So I don't think he was a descendant that was then imprisoned in rock. It like when all the dragons lost his fate was to be sealed away.
@@theunlikelygenshingamer what if it wasn't erosion what if azhdaha actually regained his memories maybe that's way he was so angry at morax
@@donkey_mediocre7246 that would be really interesting if what seemed to be erosion was instead a full understanding of what had happened. Would be kind of sad too since that would mean he was never really Zhongli's friend.
If the harbingers are stealing Gnossis are they in some way working for the dragon sovereigns?
That's a interesting question no one is sure of yet. It's clear that the Tsaritsa (the Cryo archon and head of the Fatui) is fighting against the Heavenly Principles by stealing the gnosis but whether or not it is to give the dragons back their power or for her own separate purpose isn't clear yet.
Still I'm inclined to think not because not only can she not be sure if the individual dragons who still hate human wouldn't just turn around and used their restored powers to kill her people, plus in Fontaine when Neuvillette's power was restored, the Knave (Harbinger #4) had nothing to do with it nor is it even clear if she knows that he's been restored. But she did still collect the gnosis from him anyway.
So his being restored obviously wasn't the endgame.
I think the Tsaritsa has a very grand plan for the gnosis that we don't know yet and I think only Zhongli has been let in on the plan.
Thanks for the the thought provoking question and welcome aboard 😁
There is another theory that has been floated for a while, which was confirmed in the 4.2 archon quest. Skirk tells Neuvillette that the Gnoses are remains of the third Descender, who was destroyed by the Heavenly Principles. And the Dragon King is popularly considered the third Descender because he left Teyvat after the first defeat against the Primordial One and then returned with Abyssal power. The power corrupted the dragon's soul, rendering him just a tool for revenge and violence, and in his rampage, he would have destroyed the whole of Teyvat. This is when the Primordial One again stepped in, killed the dragon and scattered his remains as the seven gnoses, to be guarded by the seven archons. The Tsaritsa's goal in collecting all the gnoses might be related to resurrecting the corrupted Dragon King, the third Descender.
And Neuvillette in the archon quest confirmed that he has been reborn in human form, so his original dragon memories have been lost. It's unlikely that the Harbingers are in any way related to him (we saw how impartially he treated Childe).
Sorry for the huge info dump, but wanted to connect the many links connecting Genshin's lore together!
@@alxina06 I've heard that one and I've been thinking about it for a while because in Neuvillette's vision story, he says that he gained new information when he regained his full dragon form
He mentions that the usurper and the third descender made the gnosis "together" because the Primordial one had lost so much strength after the long battle. I'm beginning to think that the Third descender wasn't so much killed as they "became" the gnosis, perhaps even retaining some sentience.
@@theunlikelygenshingamerOh yes, I forgot that Neuvillette actually mentioned that at the end! I also like the idea of the gnoses being vaguely sentient, which would fit into the idea of them being called "cursed objects" before. And if they were the product of both the Usurper (on the side of the Heavenly Principles) and the third Descender (Abyssal energy), the gnoses would be an amalgam of both energies, which I find really interesting. Thanks for making this video and all the research you did for this!
some misinformations in this video:
- nibelung is never confirmed to be the second who came (the second throne of heaven).
- primordial one and heavenly principles are also not confirmed to be the same.
- primordial one isn't the one who wanted the enkanomiya book to be kept secret, it's the heavenly principle that punish orobashi or anyone who read the book.
- it was never confirmed that orobashi lost to morax, it was said he fled a golden god which everyone assume morax however the counterargument is that in the archon war morax wore white hooded robe.
some additions:
- i find it weird that you believe heavenly principles and primordial one to be the same, whereas many theorists and myself think that heavenly principle is the second who came (aka the second throne of heaven) and won the war against primordial one.
- there is no mention of heavenly principle nor celestia in enkanomiya book, which suggest heavenly principles name and celestia only exist after enkanomiya sank.
- primordial one is also never mentioned outside the book, same as the second who came. we know that many individuals like fatui, gods, and dragon sovereigns know that heavenly principle is an outsider and they don't get punished. so the current theory is that heavenly principles wanted to hide the book because it contains the existence of primordial one and the 4 shades, not because it said primordial one and second who came are aliens.
- istaroth help enkanomiya after it was casted down, istaroth also help makoto to prepare against the heavenly principles. which again suggest istaroth is not on the same side as heavenly principles. which again suggest that heavenly principles and primordial one isn't the same.
Firstly I didn't say that Nibelung is the Second Who came. Nibelung left to acquire forbidden knowledge and came back with it. The forbidden knowledge which is confirmed to be Abyssal is what constitutes the Second throne of heaven. This is supported by the description that The Abyss and Celestia are two sides of the same coin.
Also the Primordial One and the Heavenly Principles are the same, not mind you, the Sustainer of Heavenly Principles. Note this quotes from
Apep :
It's a long story... We all once believed in the distant past that only forbidden knowledge could give us enough power to defeat the Heavenly Principles.
It is never implied that they made war with two entities so the Primordial one the book says they fought with is the same Heavenly Principles that Apep says they fought.
Then the name Celestia can be connected with this group of names as well because the Archons use the name Celestia and the Heavenly Principles interchangeably.
The Sustainer is likely a Shade seeing as she doesn't fit the description of the Primordial One (largely because she is clearly female and does not have wings)
But obviously upholds the Heavenly Principles therefore she is on their side.
Also the second who came is mentioned outside of the book in the Flower of Paradise Lost Artifact Set where we learn about Nabu Malikata's side of things, she said :
But, in time, invaders descended from beyond the firmament, bringing with them destruction, overturning rivers, spreading plagues..."
"And though the invaders brought war to my former kin, they also brought about illusions that could break through shackles to the land."
"But the master of the heavens, consumed by fear for the rising tide of delusion and breakthroughs, sent down the divine nails to mend the land, laying waste to the mortal realm..."
This is clearly the forbidden knowledge that Nibelung acquired and is the Second Who Came.
@@theunlikelygenshingamer so you basically say that primordial one is heavenly principle because what apep said?
can you believe what apep said to be 100% true when we literally just learn about what irminsul can do?
wait, do you forgot about irminsul? irminsul can change memories of beings that is from teyvat, including apep.
aka it can change apep memories of descenders,
for example: originally apep and the sovereigns fought primordial one and 4 shades.
but after second who came (heavenly principles) defeated primordial one and 4 shades, they then mdify irminsul,
now what apep remembers is the sovereings fought heavenly principles and not primordial one and the 4 shades.
additions:
- no mention of dragon king, heavenly principles or celestia in the book. don't you find it weird?
- why would enkanomiya wrote primordial one instead of heavenly principles?
- why would they not mention celestia, the dragon king, or the sustainer? they mentioned the seven sovereigns but weirdly not the king of the sovereigns?
- not only primordial one never mentioned outside the book, but the name 4 shades also never mentioned outside the book. but we know 4 shades exist.
- istaroth the god of time is confirmed to be one of 4 shades, and she is against heavenly principles.
- unknown god aka the sustainer is not confirmed to be a shade.
The Dragon sovereigns are not connected to irminsul@@someoneinasia
@@Aimy_arts yes they are, they are beings from teyvat. they are affected.
it's simple, if you are from teyvat, you are affected. if you are not from teyvat, you are not affected.
Orobashi is said to have lost to the Narukami and the Golden God, it's never confirmed to be Morax, and if he was a "contender" then every single god was too. He was never implied to be recognized by Celestia the same way as Deshret, who rejected a blessing from them.
It's not only Zhongli, the archons that were present during the archon war are not so open when talking about anything related to Celestia, being visions or events where Celestia was involved.
And well regarding the question, Neuvillette is inheriting the will of 1 sovereign, this supreme justice was most likely also present in the past... and that did nothing against the primordial one forces, including whatever the other 6 and the king had with them with forbidden knowledge and all. The authorities that were seized are powerful indeed and it's what governed Teyvat in the past... but they were nothing against the power that the primordial one brought with him, who are the ones that carries them?
The current archons don't care about Celestia, even one of them it's on its way to go to war with them, unless we know what exactly they are going against, even if the 7 gnosis are given back to the current sovereign and then somehow regain their full dragonhood back... they will just get killed again, and Teyvat may not be able to withstand the damage again, meanwhile Celestia will just leave on their merry way to another place. Which is obviously not what everyone wants... unlike the original Sovereigns who seem to had the mentality "if I'm not ruling it, nobody will"
True, we know morax defeated osial and his family, not orobashi
Well firstly, Zhongli is now proven to be the Golden god with his name that Neuvillette calls him Deus Auri which means Golden god and the full dragonhood of the Sovereigns is powerful indeed. Focalors banked everything on him being able to defy the Heavenly Principles, in fact it could be argued that the third descender must factor into why they lost last time because that body was used to create something that could help to cage their powers.
Also his voice lines about the Archons depicts a full confidence and duty to judge each of the Archons even if he has to alter the world to do it.
I think it is very clear that the dragons both learned from the first massive defeat and that the present situation is not the same as before. There is now no guarantee that they would lose again.
It wasn't a stretch to assume that Morax was the Golden god and now Neuvillette proves it with his voice line about Zhongli calling him Deus Auri which means Golden god.
@@theunlikelygenshingamer Still an assumption, nowhere else is it refer as such, considering he always referred Raiden as Narukami is unlikely he is referencing that name from how Neuvilette said, which at least in the language I play he refers to him as the God of Gold, which may refer to his ability to produce Mora, different to the God that looks golden, not that we know another ,but is not "confirmation" either, unlike Narukami who he refers multiple times over different time periods.
The sovereigns lost before the second descender even came, the third one mostly likely was the reason the Archon War started, most of them are death and whatever they "learned" seems to be complete useless since Neuvilette was completely lost with what most Skirk told him.
Sure, you can be completely confident when you are absolutely oblivious of something, hence why people tend to believe they are smarter and confident they know more than specialist. And for all that confidence, he really is assuming his sweet time even trying to do anything about it, just like Apep.
And yes the situation is different, the archons themselves are not concerned with Celestia and even destroying the rules that were set by the HP, but sorry, even if Neuvillette it's at full power, he still a just 1 sovereign who owns the authority over one of the seven elements, the authorities that were useless against the heavenly principles way back in the day, the archons and maybe the gods in Celestia are a hybrid of both, and the power who killed them is not going around leaving clear clues on how they operate.
Kind of easy to put the archons in lower stand when they have not seen going full out, or what is the actual extent of the HP powers.
@@MCHR92us defeating celestia will prob tie back to that power from another world that skirk and dainsleif speak of
Seeing that raiden isn't the top leader did someone order her to kill Orobashi and if someone did, who did?
That's a good question. Since it has been proven that the Heavenly principles who rule Teyvat and are the ones who sentenced Orobashi, can actually influence people's live and decisions without them realizing, it's very possible that Raiden was moved to kill him, thinking it was her own decision but she was really just doing what they wanted.
Also it's possible that Orobashi was instructed to go and make war with Raiden which is what caused his death because I'm pretty sure he knew he would lose but he provoked her anyway.
Either way the death the Heavenly Principles wanted came about from the actions that followed.
I’m pretty sure Apep got corrupted by devouring the Scarlet King and I thought Orabashi lost Raiden since he was in Inazuma
Actually Apep says it got tricked by the Scarlet King because he knew that his Abyss corruption that brought Eleazar would corrupt Apep too when it swallowed him. Apep wasn't able to use the knowledge he had gathered because of the forbidden knowledge mixed in. As for Orobashi he only ended up confronting Raiden not because he was in Inazuma, but because he tried to take Yashiori Island from her, which was a direct provocation for war.
Where are the hand drawn dragon animations from?
Those are from Honkai Starrail's video about Long the Permanence and the Vidyadahara. I felt like out of context they fit rather nicely.
@@theunlikelygenshingamer They’re gorgeous and the video was lovely, thank you so much! 💖
very well done. thank you.
Thank!!
Are the archon Statues like cellphone towers?
I suppose you could very well say that, and every time we unlock one it's like we get a glimpse of the coverage of each one lol
You got the timeline wrong, not all nails were dropped at the same time.
Nibelung isn't a descender, that term isn't applied to creatures coming from the Abyss, and Nibelung would be returning, he's not a newcomer.
The Gnosis is(contains) the Authority, each Archon could wield their respective element before they received the Gnoses, they're not dependent on them to use their powers. And at least one Archon has powers that are far greater than the elemental one(Zhongli).
Thanks for your comment, firstly I agree that Nibelung isn't a descender which is why I didn't use that term to describe him, I actually didn't use it in this video at all. Also it has been suggested that the Nails fell at different times, the only we proof we have of their deployment was from the paradise lost artifact set and Nahida who specifically says they were used against the Abyss and the Second Who came (which are very likely the same).
Lastly although it seems as though the gnosis could be the authority itself I'm certain the authority is more than just the ability to use the element. And Neuvillette said they would need to go away and relinquish the authority.
It sounds more like the actual authority over that element. Ex, the way it's expressed in the entire world has to do with each of them. That sounds more like elemental authority.
And those who don't have their gnosis anymore (like Ei) can not only control the electro element but even the thunderstorms the self which no mere vision bearer can do. Suggesting she still has authority over the expression of the element of electro even without a gnosis.
@@theunlikelygenshingamer I'm pretty sure that the Second Who Came is a descender, also, do we actually know he used Abyssal power? all we know is that Teyvat was rended asunder, while Abyss powers usually manifest as a corrupting goo.
Wait actually I think we can disprove that Nibelung is the Second, because by the time the Second came, the human civilization had already been fully established for quite some time, the Vishaps would have been completely defeated by then. It couldn't have taken Nibelung this long to go to the Abyss and back, because time in the Abyss moves a lot faster than in Teyvat.
Oh and Celestial Nails were used after the Khaenri'ah cataclysm too.
I'm not sure Neuvillette actually knows much about the Dragon Elemental Authority, he's never had it, he can't fully remember his past lives, and from what we know so far, he hasn't had the Hydro Gnosis either.
In the original Chinese lore the Heart of the Dragon(elemental authority) is pretty much like an orb thing that anyone could take and use. I think the Authority is the literal core of the Gnosis, otherwise, if Authority can be passed around without it, why even use a Gnosis in the first place?
We've seen glimpses of what the "gods" can do without Gnoses, in the Archon War, and they already wielded immense power. It doesn't seem like the Gnosis improved their power at all, it didn't prevent some of them from dying in Khaenri'ah. Also it doesn't look like they have complete control over the elements, Ei couldn't restore Yashiori Island to a livable state, nor dispel the electro vortex on Seirai. Furina should have the Gnosis and yet can't cleanse the water, Venti couldn't fully remove the winds around Stormterror's Lair, even Zhongli couldn't fully seal Azhdaha.
We're definitely missing key info about the Gnoses and Dragon Authorities. Things just don't add up.
@@VeraldoAncodini although I agree about the gnosis and what elemental authority entails is very not well understood because we don't have enough info but I have to dis agree about the other things. Firstly we do have proof of the situation with Nibelung and forbidden knowledge, in my video the Sinner is the Second Who came, I explain this in depth so I won't go into detail here but with the help of Apep and Mistress of flowers we know for sure that the human were established to some degree even though the dragons weren't completely gone yet. Look just watch the video. when forbidden knowledge was introduced by Nibelung, everyone was around dragons and humans and that's when the nails appeared.
As for any after the Cataclysm, I'm pretty sure that not true. The most recent disaster or calamity in the history of Teyvat is the Khaenri’ahn disaster, even Nahida says the Heavenly Principles has been asleep since then. There have definitely been no more nails if their was any then.
@@theunlikelygenshingamer I watched the video but I still don't see how Nibelung and the Sinner are connected, do we even know when he appeared in the Abyss and who he is? Do we know for sure that the Second is the Sinner?
The Abyss and its power existed before Phanes came to Teyvat, I don't see why Nibelung would need either the Sinner or the Second to acquire Abyssal powers. We don't know who built the Spiral Abyss, which is basically a stable gateway to the Abyss and a city, or when was it built. For all we know there could have been a civilization before the Dragons, or an advanced Vishap race that regressed due to some cataclysm.
I'm pretty sure Celestia did use Nails during the Khaenri'ah cataclysm. It would make no sense not to. And yeah since then they haven't used any.
@@VeraldoAncodini There’s a theory video by a creator here that connects Nibelung to the Sinner. The delivery is funny and it’s still a theory, but it’s still interesting to watch: czcams.com/video/i619rx5zouY/video.htmlsi=lnlXlBEXN6Fb9bL9
Please read remuria and Fontaine gliders lore if u want to know about the original hydro soverign
And neuvillette isn't the first reincarnation of the hydro dragon , it's actually egeria the former hydro archon, she was created by the shade of life using it's essence
I will definitely check this out, although being made from the essence doesn't make her a Sovereign I am very interested in this lore.
@@theunlikelygenshingamer it made her an artificial sovereign, that's what she was created to be at least. She got it's features but lacked it's full dragon form just like neuvillette.
There is a high possibility that neuvillette was born 500 years ago as a result of her death since there has to be only one hydro dragon.
Egeria is not the first reincarnation. Scylla is. Egeria is a god made out of the hydro Sovereign to replace the hydro Sovereign but since she was made by god's, she's no dragon.
@@F1ll1nTh3Blanks 4.2 definitely shows that she didnt have full authority over premordial sea as expected from a hydro dragon mimic , but Scylla isn't a reincarnation, Scylla was the first soverign that gave remus the goblet.. they got sealed by the ichor and so celestia had to create another heart..
you should not take the book in genshin as if they are fact. for the whole of 1.x it was clear that the developer were hinting that while the book hide a truth, it is not always the truth. any observer that record history always add their bias to it. it quite clear that some of these "fact" are not real fact, they are just what the faction who wrote it thinks. one has to be careful not to overread the lore intended to misled. we are seeing more and more layers especially in fontaine of entities even within the abyss that doubt the abyss order understanding... so is the truth they are chasing even the truth?
i have a theory on traveler that khaneriah might have already known about everyting including the doomsday and tevyat in its last cycle and in rene's world formula he said there was a variable missing what if the variable is the traveler? as in previous cycle they weren't their tevyat cycles ended with destuction and cycle started again i guess to break free form the cycle kahenriah might have did something ofc with them opening abyss portals but i also believe they mgith have tried to built something ot stop it? and thatswhy WE WERE SUMMONED BY KHANERIAHN'S but they did something and abyss portals opened and they got reduced to atoms and cursed and now some joined this loom of fate basically going against fate and i think that first istaroth has died or cursed them to be in a cycle and second that once fate is written i guess its fixed to happen iresspective of which cycle they are in so maybe the moon sister which are all dead might have been also responsible for weaving fate and as they died none is there to reweave the fate of tevyatians and we will ahve help prbly tsarits to attain gnosis and getting all the dragons in their form back
I never thought of it this way, but the Travelers arriving definitely added a new variable, and the endless cycles seems to be hinted at in the Teyvat Story Trailer when Dain say a 'perpetual meantime'.
Also it's true that Khaenri’ah did try to open a portal to space.
If Davalin is the Anemo dragon why is he besties with Venti???? Shouldn't they hate each other or something?😕
Apep scornfully mentions that some of the dragons have gotten close to humans. Also Dvalin is young so like Neuvillette who doesn't really know all the nuances of the past conflict, maybe dvalin also just doesn't inherit their hate either at least not yet...
@@theunlikelygenshingamerand Venti, although being an Archon, has been rather... non-oppressive in the way he rules. Only helped overthrow Decarabian when he was only just a Wind Spirit, got Andrius out of contention through basically dialogue (Andrius passed because he thought he would not be a good god for humanity). Other than that, leaves everyone alone unless some stuff really gets out of hand that needs direct and immediate attention (Lawrence Clan Dictatorship, Khaenri'ah Cataclysm, Stormterror threat).
Is Zhongli The Original Geo Dragon Sovereign?
Although that would be so cool, I can pretty confidently say no.
One the dragons were suppressed to appoint new rulers. Which Zhongli is the first of, and he had to use a gnosis unlike the dragons. It's much more likely that his old friend Azhdaha, the dragon he found imprisoned under ground is the geo Sovereign but it's still only speculation.
@@theunlikelygenshingamer yup,pls consider my speculation: Venti gave anemo authority to dvalin(storm terror) though he is not originally a sovereign he can possibly ascend to sovereignty , azhdaha possibly is sovereign himself, apep is sovereign,neuvi got his authority back. As far as we know no sovereign hates humans and not tend to harm them, schznaya is about to wage war against celestia,sovereigns have their personal problem with celestia,and also traveller separated frm sibling due to celestia. Its a very possible situation where traveller,Fatui(schznaya) and sovereigns end up together fighting against celestia
@@theunlikelygenshingamer but didn't zhongli made Azdaha from a Rock? It was revealed in the zhongli quest I believe
@@AxeltheFlameStriker actually Zhongli eventually directly said all he gave him was eyes. Another weapon description I think, says he heard all the noise that Azhdaha was making and confronted him to come to an agreement which included giving him eyes and allowing him above ground.
is kokomi a backup Hydro Dragon? her constellation is eeriely similar to Neuvs only it is "sleeping".
That is a very good question. I've been thinking about it for a while because if I remember correctly her constellation name is 'Sleeping Dragoness' while Neuvillette's is Leviathan.
Maybe she has Vishap genes but not a full dragon. I'm not sure but I definitely want some more lore to find out
Actually nah. Kokomi's constellation is confirmed to be as a reference to the nickname of a historical figure named Zhuge Liang. Zhuge was also known as the 'Sleeping Dragon' due to his skill as a strategist. Kokomi is also confirmed herself as a normal human being to Klee back then in one event I forgot the name lmao.
Neuvillette, on the other hand, admits openly to traveler that he is indeed the Hydro Dragon Sovereign, and there is none other than him. No backup, no replacement. If he dies, then the Hydro Dragon Sovereign also dies because he is the only Hydro Dragon Sovereign. Then after that, maybe the cycle starts again with the next reincarnation... or maybe not. But as for now, Neuvillette is the one and only Hydro Dragon Sovereign, and there's none other than him.
But THE GNOSIS are the Remnants of the 3rd Decender, not dragons
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who is the god of time
She is one of the four "shades" that the Primordial one made when it arrived to Teyvat, to help it govern certain aspects of reality.
Istaroth, which is her name, was placed over time and it is rumored that she has some sort of connection to Venti the Anemo archon.
Istaroth
@theunlikelygenshingamer is it possible that she is the unknown god that separated the twins?
@@blueryu102 I honestly don't think so because she seems to be a friend to mankind. And seems to have "work from the shadows kind of style".
@@blueryu102unknown god is prolly god of space
I doubt Devalin and Azdaha are dragon sovereigns, I think they’re just dragons
Possibly, but Azhdaha says somethings that make a pretty convincing case for him being more than just a regular dragon.
@@theunlikelygenshingamer Zhongli’s the one who molded him into a dragon
@@thedynamicorbital2886 Zhongli says he only gave him eyes to see. The story teller at the restaurant is how weaves the story that he molded him into a dragon.
@@theunlikelygenshingamer during Zhongli’s story quest they described Azhdaha a some sort of rock spirit that was trapped beneath the earth and it was Zhongli that gave him a dragon like body via carving it out and then gave him a pair of eyes
@@thedynamicorbital2886 the storyteller's version is based on legends, Zhongli however while did not say it directly in the cutscene only gave Azdaha set of eyes not body.
This is a very detailed analysis! Big ups to you!
There's a theory that Neuvilette will obtain the Hydro Gnosis and save Fontaine
Thus making him the TRUE HYDRO-Rcon while the puny sassy lost child only remains a mascot of Fontaine!
Thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed, i seriously cant wait for 4.2 to drop because I have a feeling its going to be the most thrilling archon quest yet
yeah and also i guess after this celestia will be in action as they wouldnot want hydro dragon to attain their full power..and morever we are hlfway done with the story so.. maybe morever sassychild for me is divided i mean the mature furina living in orartice and the punk sassy child as puppet archon
The gnosis have nothing to do with the dragons
Haven't watched the whole video yet but the gnosi are literally made by Heavenly principles with the stolen dragon authority so yes it is relevant
tell me you didn't pay attention to the lore without telling me you didn't pay attention to the lore
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not even not paying attention to the lore like its barely even lore neuvillette and focalors straight up Said it with their whole chests 😭
No I didn't . Tell me guys what are the gnosis?