The Moessner Miracle. Why wasn't this discovered for over 2000 years?

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  • čas přidán 5. 06. 2024
  • Today's video is about a mathematical gem that was discovered 70 years ago. Although it's been around for quite a while and it's super cool and it's super accessible, hardly anybody knows about it.
    00:00​ Intro
    04:58 Chapter 1: Making our own proof
    09:55​ Chapter 2: Some more amazing facts
    13:11​ Chapter 3: Post's proof
    23:36​ Supporters
    If after watching this video you'd like to find out more about Moessner's result, the following PhD thesis features a very comprehensive bibliography: ebooks.au.dk/aul/catalog/book...
    The proof by Karel Post that I matholologerise in the second half of this video is contained in this paper:
    Karel A. Post. Moessnerian theorems. How to prove them by simple graph theoretical inspection. Elemente der Mathematik, (2):46-51, 1990.
    Post also proves a couple of generalisations of Moessner's theorem. Another good write-up of the same proof can be found in Ross Honsberger"s 1991 book More Mathematical Morsels. Honsberger says about Moessner that "he was internationally known in the field of recreational mathematics for many spectacular results in arithmetic". Have to have a closer look at some point at what else exactly he did :)
    Post's article can be accessed here: www.e-periodica.ch (search for "Moessnerian theorems"). Sadly most other articles about Moessner's theorem are located behind paywalls.
    Here is another very pretty proof of the basic cubes result by Anthony Harradine and Anita Ponsaing using actual 3d cubical shells www.qedcat.com/misc/StrikeMeO...
    It's well worth exploring further than what I get around to reporting in this video. If you do, you'll discover interesting connections with super-factorials, higher-dimensional counterparts of Pascal's triangle, and so on.
    Challenge for the programmers among you: write a program that turns a sequence of highlighted integers into the corresponding Moessner sequence.
    Today's music is "Just Jump" by Ian Post. If you are interested in the t-shirt google "math whisperer t-shirt". If you don't understand the math whisperer bit, you did not watch the video to the end :)
    Enjoy!
    Burkard
    14. Sep. 2021: I just added Russian subtitles prepared by Michael Didenko. Thank you very much Michael.

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  • @jaredjbarnes
    @jaredjbarnes Před 2 lety +803

    I don’t think I can express how grateful I am to live in a time when I can be taught by one of the best math teachers in the world from my bedroom. Thank you so much Mathologer, we don’t take you for granted.

    • @walterpoelzing9412
      @walterpoelzing9412 Před 2 lety +37

      I was just thinking something like that. Burkardt has his Ph.D. in math and should be given a world Ph.D. in teaching math to math minded people from all leading universities across the globe. When is he coming up with his world tour? Would love to meet this guy in person.

    • @jaredjbarnes
      @jaredjbarnes Před 2 lety +9

      @@walterpoelzing9412 I’m loving this idea!

    • @KSignalEingang
      @KSignalEingang Před 2 lety +9

      @@walterpoelzing9412 I can see it now ... "This sunday at Staples Center - Mathologer, with opening acts A Perfect Circle & Add N to (X)"

    • @sandmann6851
      @sandmann6851 Před 2 lety +9

      Yes! So true. Wir lieben dich Mathologer!

    • @joem8496
      @joem8496 Před 2 lety +9

      all the years of advanced maths and nothing like this was ever found in a lecture or book that I recall... so grateful for Mathologer and team!

  • @frederickm9823
    @frederickm9823 Před 2 lety +830

    I tend to forget that Burkard is actually German (?), so when he read out the title from Moessner's thesis I was like: "Damn, his German is amazing." and felt silly a few moments later...

    • @friedrichschumann740
      @friedrichschumann740 Před 2 lety +92

      He is German, more precisely from somewhere in Unterfranken. He said so in one of his videos. I think it was close to Würzburg or Würzburg itself.

    • @renerpho
      @renerpho Před 2 lety +35

      @@friedrichschumann740 Würzburg, according to Wikipedia.

    • @punditgi
      @punditgi Před 2 lety +25

      @@friedrichschumann740 Selbstverstaendlich! 🙃

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Před 2 lety +192

      @@friedrichschumann740 I grew up in Veitshöchheim :)

    • @ericbischoff9444
      @ericbischoff9444 Před 2 lety +15

      @@Mathologer Oh, that looks like a beautiful place. I just finished spending a few years in Nürnberg.

  • @jasonnybergoog
    @jasonnybergoog Před 2 lety +657

    That moment when you realize the number line is just the 1d case of Moessner's Miracle...

    • @Joffrerap
      @Joffrerap Před 2 lety +31

      technically, there are all the numbers to the power 1.

    • @jasonnybergoog
      @jasonnybergoog Před 2 lety +17

      @@Joffrerap actually to power zero (string of 1's...)

    • @vj_henke
      @vj_henke Před 2 lety +145

      Step 1: Take the numberline.
      Step 2: Don't cancel anything.
      Result: You got the numberline.
      It's a miracle.

    • @Joffrerap
      @Joffrerap Před 2 lety

      @@jasonnybergoog when you say the number line, you don't mean 1 2 3 4 5 ... ?

    • @jasonnybergoog
      @jasonnybergoog Před 2 lety +9

      @@Joffrerap I do. (I didn't say it was complicated :))

  • @TrandusNinja
    @TrandusNinja Před 2 lety +355

    I love how much of induction in this video even tho the word "induction" is not mentioned

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Před 2 lety +116

      ... there are also a "few" binomial coefficients in this video :)

    • @BartonChittenden
      @BartonChittenden Před 2 lety +3

      @@Mathologer 2 or 4, here and there.

  • @mariusweber4990
    @mariusweber4990 Před 2 lety +302

    As a German with a rather casual interest in mathematics, I just want to point out how nicely Moessner presented his idea in the original text. No overstatement, no attempt at making it seem more complex or grandiose than it is, and a straight to the point, easy to understand text. It's literally just "here is a generalisation that does not seem to have been noticed so far, have a look". Great text and an awesome video!

    • @mlmimichaellucasmontereyin6765
      @mlmimichaellucasmontereyin6765 Před 2 lety +7

      Mmmm... Now, if only we could resolve The Ivory Tower problem of modern maths and The Status Quo Silo paradox of matamaths & SM QM. Sigh... The momentum of the subliminal culture of intellectual cowardice is probably too mammoth to overcome before our mass-self-extiction by chronic-egocidal mass-stupdity.

    • @shoam2103
      @shoam2103 Před 2 lety +4

      @@mlmimichaellucasmontereyin6765 SM? QM?

    • @kuick6814
      @kuick6814 Před 2 lety +2

      @@eurotrash5610 SM is statistical mechanics I believe

    • @rog2224
      @rog2224 Před 2 lety +7

      @@kuick6814 Such a welcoming discipline. Who can forget Goodstein's 1975 comment in his text book "States of Matter"
      "“Ludwig Boltzmann, who spent much of his life studying statistical mechanics, died in 1906, by his own hand. Paul Ehrenfest, carrying on the work, died similarly in 1933. Now it is our turn to study statistical mechanics."
      TBH, I don't recall it being that hard, but I was following well worn paths on the topic, not forging a new frontier.

    • @oooBASTIooo
      @oooBASTIooo Před 2 lety +8

      @@shoam2103 This is how people write who want to look smart in front of an audience of laymen.. Also, it is usually a sign of deep misconceptions.

  • @henridelagardere264
    @henridelagardere264 Před 2 lety +237

    It seems a miracle indeed that anyone would do a half-hour video on the Moessner Miracle, until you read the name _Mathologer._

  • @minirop
    @minirop Před 2 lety +675

    Do this? Pascal's triangle
    Do that? Pascal's triangle
    What time is it? Pascal's triangle

    • @straft5759
      @straft5759 Před 2 lety +49

      Don’t know how to solve a difficult math problem?
      Look for any Pascal’s triangles

    • @MrConverse
      @MrConverse Před 2 lety +9

      What day of the week is is?
      What month is it?
      What’s for dinner?

    • @codekillerz5392
      @codekillerz5392 Před 2 lety +34

      Aurora borealis?
      At this time of day?
      At this time of year?
      Localized entirely within your kitchen?
      May I see it?

    • @BroArmyCommander
      @BroArmyCommander Před 2 lety +12

      @@codekillerz5392 Pascal's Triangle

    • @Mrpoopy62639
      @Mrpoopy62639 Před 2 lety +23

      Wait, its all Pascal's Triangle?

  • @BardaKWolfgangTheDrug
    @BardaKWolfgangTheDrug Před 2 lety +129

    Decades upon decades of maths: *agonal spasm over sheets of paper*
    Mathologer: so basically we use Pascal's triangle here and that's it

    • @steffen5121
      @steffen5121 Před 2 lety +7

      "And from here on, it's Pascals Triangles all the way down." 👌

    • @nenmaster5218
      @nenmaster5218 Před 2 lety +1

      @@steffen5121 The Learning never ends,
      so call it silly, but i do have the hobby of asking people
      if i an recommend them science-chanenl or just education-channel in general
      to them!
      Mind if i do?

    • @steffen5121
      @steffen5121 Před 2 lety

      @@nenmaster5218 sure, shoot!

    • @nenmaster5218
      @nenmaster5218 Před 2 lety +2

      @@steffen5121 Ok, how about:
      -Oversimplified.
      -Is ok to be smart.
      -Sci Man Dan.
      -Professor Dave Explains.
      -Some More News.

    • @steffen5121
      @steffen5121 Před 2 lety +1

      @@nenmaster5218 Thanks. The first two, I already know. I'll check out the other three.

  • @force10guy26
    @force10guy26 Před 2 lety +125

    "If you're a 5 dimensional creature, that's a no brainer... Just start by visualizing 5D shells of 5D cubes"
    🤯👽🤓

    • @leonfa259
      @leonfa259 Před 2 lety +6

      Even as a 3 d creature ist is easy, just use a 3d cube x a 2d square. If you want to visualize more than 3 d, just breake it down in into multiple visuals of maximally 3 d. It is very useful if you deal with the visualisation of high dimensional data like Business reports.

    • @BruceNitroxpro
      @BruceNitroxpro Před 2 lety +6

      @@leonfa259 , This is intuitively obvious to the casual observer.

    • @milanstevic8424
      @milanstevic8424 Před 2 lety

      @@leonfa259 literally you imagine the entire volume to continuously "react" to some data in the 2nd diagram (that can also react to data in some 3rd diagram).
      for example, if you take a 2D diagram with 10x10 black/white pixels, where pixel intensity depicts some f(x,y)
      then you can integrate another variable (z) non-spatially, if you imagine this flat image to change over time.
      now you can stack all such animation slices on top of each other, and create a 3D diagram.
      it works very intuitively the other way around. in a case where 3D is projected to 2D, it is simple to tell what is going on: 2D image is cross-sectioning the 3D volume. so adding a 4th dimension to existing 3 should be as easy as adding one imaginary influence.
      if you start with a 3D diagram with 10x10x10 black/white pixels, integrating another variable (w) non-spatially, would require imagining this volume to be animated like a cloud.
      again, if you could visualize 4D space in a spatial manner, you could stack all such animation slices on top of each other, but the simplest way would be to imagine 2 independent 10x10 flat boards, where f(x,y) is continually influenced by f(z,w), seemingly depending on some unseen (extradimensional and spooky) circumstances. additionally you can imagine that each full f(x,y) slice lives in a domain ruled by every unique f(z,w), inside a hierarchy.
      now it becomes easy to attach another one f(a,b) ruling over every f(z,w). obviously this is the same as having f(x,y,z) cubes being ruled by f(w,a,b), or playing a 3D game f(x,y,z,w), but you also get to choose the nature of the adventure on a 2D graph f(a,b).
      this is exactly what "animation" means btw: coming to life.

    • @nenmaster5218
      @nenmaster5218 Před 2 lety

      The Learning never ends,
      so call it silly, but i do have the hobby of asking people
      if i an recommend them science-chanenl or just education-channel in general
      to them!
      Mind if i do?

  • @IFearlessINinja
    @IFearlessINinja Před 2 lety +242

    For the record, this is also a path to discovering derivatives and calculus. For many reasons it's a shame this wasn't stared at harder a while back. I wonder what we're just a few steps from discovering

    • @alexandertownsend3291
      @alexandertownsend3291 Před 2 lety +13

      I am not seeing the connection. Could you explain it? It sounds cool.

    • @gebruikerarjan
      @gebruikerarjan Před 2 lety +13

      Mmm sounds like another mathologer video= all the secrets of pascals triangel!

    • @yxx_chris_xxy
      @yxx_chris_xxy Před 2 lety +12

      YouFearlessYouNinja: YouRight. Think of the numbers in different places in the triangles as deltas.

    • @X_Baron
      @X_Baron Před 2 lety +6

      Pascal's triangle has a connection to the prime numbers, but I feel like there's more to it.

    • @BooBaddyBig
      @BooBaddyBig Před 2 lety +5

      I haven't proved it, but I'm pretty sure that the method of finite differences is in there if you look at it right. ANY sequence of a polynomial of order n comes out of n numbers if you repeatedly add them.

  • @PapaFlammy69
    @PapaFlammy69 Před 2 lety +707

    A new upload, great stuff

    • @playerscience
      @playerscience Před 2 lety +16

      Oh hi flammy !!!

    • @zeb1820
      @zeb1820 Před 2 lety +5

      Yes, but how can stuff that is less than three be great?

    • @MaJetiGizzle
      @MaJetiGizzle Před 2 lety +1

      Of course I’m seeing you here…
      Now just 3blue1brown and my CZcams math list will be complete.

    • @h4z4rd28
      @h4z4rd28 Před 2 lety +1

      Hello from hilbi boi

    • @benjabby
      @benjabby Před 2 lety +2

      A verified comment that adds absolutely nothing, great stuff!

  • @petersontaylor2000
    @petersontaylor2000 Před 2 lety +87

    The most unbelievable and beyond reason thing about this channel is that it does not have (yet) 1M subscribers! All the other assertions are left as an exercise for the reader...

    • @JohnDlugosz
      @JohnDlugosz Před 2 lety +3

      He should do a collaboration with Colin Furze, who has >11 million subscribers. That should get him a few million cross-over views, and hopefully some percentage subscribe.

    • @bhatkrishnakishor
      @bhatkrishnakishor Před 2 lety

      Just consult "the spiffing brit" and have your channel grow exponentially.

    • @afterthesmash
      @afterthesmash Před 2 lety

      Some of us who adore math are not sheep who mash the subscribe button. Somehow, without ever a single use of the "subscribe" button, I'm rarely at a loss for excellent content. FWIW, I also do not subscribe to the afterlife.

  • @tcocaine
    @tcocaine Před 2 lety +126

    I searched for Mathologer the other day and noticed he had missed some months of uploading, watched some videos, only to see another upload today. Lovely!

    • @MrConverse
      @MrConverse Před 2 lety +6

      Search again. Maybe we’ll get another video tomorrow!

  • @gabrieldee345don5
    @gabrieldee345don5 Před 2 lety +12

    I am so regretful about not having a math teacher like you. Suddenly, after a life believing I am not good with maths, I started to understand stuff I never believed I would. :-)

  • @djsmeguk
    @djsmeguk Před 2 lety +132

    This looks highly related to the discrete derivative and discrete integral which is cool stuff..

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Před 2 lety +67

      You are absolutely right there :)

    • @Bibibosh
      @Bibibosh Před 2 lety +1

      Idk

    • @toniokettner4821
      @toniokettner4821 Před 2 lety +3

      isn't the discrete integral just counting squares?

    • @mino99m14
      @mino99m14 Před 2 lety

      How is this related to a discrete derivative?

    • @toniokettner4821
      @toniokettner4821 Před 2 lety +14

      @@mino99m14 if you flip pascal's triangle around, reading from left to roght you get sequences of numbers, where every row below another is the difference of the terms in the sequence above, thus discrete derivative

  • @MrSigmaSharp
    @MrSigmaSharp Před 2 lety +31

    In university I always struggled with this number theory problems and their proofs. Mathologer should be a movement for teachers all over the world

  • @rafbambam
    @rafbambam Před 2 lety +33

    Hi, I did find another way to "build" youre cubes. Instead of adding the hexagons, you can add 1+ (1+2+3), than add 7 + (3+4+5), and 19+ (5+6+7), ...
    If you look in the video at 8:39 you see the second cube. To go to the next cube you need to add one side, so 3 pieces, lets say on the left, then you add 4 pieces to the right side (3 pieces for the original cube and one piece for the just added row), and finaly you add the bottom with 5 pieces to get back to the cube.
    Now if you look at the numbers you add they are left and right from the yellow marked number in the top row (2 and 4 sandwidch the 3; 5 and 7 the 6,...)
    And these yellow numbers are diviceble by 3 (by construction)
    So you get a sequens of (3n-1)+(3n+1) and that is the same as 2(3n).
    We could write 2(3n) also as 3(2n).
    This we can convert in (2n-1)+(2n)+(2n+1).
    And this is the secuence you are adding to youre cube.
    (Note "n" is the base number from youre last cube, and the counting number of youre tripple (where 3 is the 1st; 6 the 2nd;9 the 3th;12 the 4th,..))
    Notice that by every step you go up you start with the same number you stopt with the last time.
    (2n+1)=(2n+2-1)=(2(n+1)-1)
    So the cube you end up with has a sidelenght of 2n+1. And you start the next step just adding that side to youre cube
    I hope you can see how i find this a bit easyer to construct the cube.
    Also this is in a way the same you construct youre squares (if you start with "skipping" just one number at the top) if you notice that every odd number is the sum of its position + its position -1. (5 is the 3th odd number and it is 3+2; 9 is the 5th odd number and it is 5+4; ...). Also here you get that the last digit you added the last time you start to add the next time. (but you only get 2 numbers).
    Note; this methode does not work in the fourth or higher dimensions. Why? Well I'm not a mathematitian. So I don't know. And I have trouble imagining in four dimentions.
    Hope this is helpfull.
    Sorry for my bad English, I speak Dutch.
    Greetings from Belgium.

    • @mlmimichaellucasmontereyin6765
      @mlmimichaellucasmontereyin6765 Před 2 lety +3

      Bravo! Brilliant, I was thinking that there should be an easier, more geometrically logical way to show the intrinsic logic and potentials. BR, may I have your permission to use your result as additional proof of my proof of post-modern number theory, metamaths, RH, etc.?

    • @rafbambam
      @rafbambam Před 2 lety +3

      @@mlmimichaellucasmontereyin6765 wow, now I'm i m ressed, yes you May use it. Greetings.

    • @rafbambam
      @rafbambam Před 2 lety +5

      After a good night sleep I realised that I used the word "Cube" where I should have Said "cubeshell", becourse we are creating a Shell that goes over the previous Cube.

    • @mlmimichaellucasmontereyin6765
      @mlmimichaellucasmontereyin6765 Před 2 lety

      @@rafbambam BR - Kudos again & thanks! Will send you a link to an updated draft of my paper (proofs, etc.).

  • @johnchessant3012
    @johnchessant3012 Před 2 lety +38

    13:00 Taking a = 1 and b = c = ... = 2, we see that the output sequence for {n^2} must be {n! * (n-1)!}. Neat!

    • @vj_henke
      @vj_henke Před 2 lety +6

      But what if we take Input = {n^k} for any k > 2 ?!
      If you post the answer before me, you get a cookie.

    • @jamiebradshaw4222
      @jamiebradshaw4222 Před 2 lety +9

      @@vj_henke Not the person to whom you were responding, but I don't think you get anything nice. For k=3 the output sequence becomes n * ( (n-1)! (n-2)! ... 2! )^6 and I can't see any nice way of expressing it for k=4. If we relabel a=a_1, b=a_2, c=a_3, ... then we have a_1 = 1, a_2 = 2^k - 2, and a_n = n^k - 2*(n-1)^k + (n-2)^k for n > 2, which is a polynomial of order k-2, so I can't see any simple way of expressing the output sequence except just writing the whole product explicitly.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Před 2 lety +9

      Veeery good :)

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Před 2 lety +10

      @@vj_henke Veeery tricky (but doable :)

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Před 2 lety +9

      @@jamiebradshaw4222 Yes, nothing terribly nice.

  • @Nikolas_Davis
    @Nikolas_Davis Před 2 lety +18

    1:27, now that's what I call "completing the square!"

  • @cauchym9883
    @cauchym9883 Před 2 lety +55

    I wonder if Neil Sloane might be interested in including this Moessner-Transform and reverse transform into his database of integer sequences.

  • @williamrutherford553
    @williamrutherford553 Před 2 lety +12

    I think this video shows why math education channels like Mathologer are so important; a simple, easy to explain proof didn't exist, so you made it! Maybe it isn't the most rigorous, but being forced into the visual medium instead of a dry, mathematical paper makes things WAY more understandable.

  • @jabbarkhan2031
    @jabbarkhan2031 Před 2 lety +51

    I'm a High Schooler, didn't understand some parts😁. But I enjoyed the video so much🥰🥰 . Whenever I watch these Mathologar videos everytime I learn a new thing beyond High School syllabus. I just love this channel, he teaches in a very creative,fun and funny way.

    • @hamidswift
      @hamidswift Před 2 lety +2

      Dont worry, i didnt understand a thing.

  • @gdclemo
    @gdclemo Před 2 lety +120

    Pascal's triangle is inaccurately named as it only has two sides!

    • @toniokettner4821
      @toniokettner4821 Před 2 lety +13

      holy shit you're right

    • @sebastianjost
      @sebastianjost Před 2 lety +9

      It's just an infinitely large triangle

    • @toniokettner4821
      @toniokettner4821 Před 2 lety +1

      @@sebastianjost a triangle has 3 edges

    • @BroArmyCommander
      @BroArmyCommander Před 2 lety +10

      I guess you could call them* Pascal's triangles* and make it a series :)

    • @Kettwiesel25
      @Kettwiesel25 Před 2 lety +14

      @@sebastianjost It might as well be an infinite square. You can only see two sides of it, since it is infinite. So how do you know it's a triangle?

  • @kohterg3713
    @kohterg3713 Před 2 lety +16

    Mathematics and its magic it's terrifyingly beautiful!

    • @nenmaster5218
      @nenmaster5218 Před 2 lety

      The Learning never ends,
      so call it silly, but i do have the hobby of asking people
      if i an recommend them science-chanenl or just education-channel in general
      to them!
      Mind if i do?

  • @moonman2183
    @moonman2183 Před 2 lety +12

    Pure mathematics at its finest
    Thanks for revealing this bag of gems

  • @mohammedal-haddad2652
    @mohammedal-haddad2652 Před 2 lety +22

    Once you mentioned the higher dimensions I expected the Pascal triangle will pop up somehow in this videos.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Před 2 lety +14

      When you dig a bit deeper you actually come across the higher-dimensional counterparts of Pascal's triangle (among other things :)

  • @Nikolas_Davis
    @Nikolas_Davis Před 2 lety +29

    If the L-shaped part was called a "gnomon", I propose the term "kutos" (κύτος), for the 3D version. As in, the hull of a ship :-)

    • @pierreabbat6157
      @pierreabbat6157 Před 2 lety +3

      Με αρεσκει.

    • @backwards3454
      @backwards3454 Před 2 lety +2

      Αρεσκομαι επι της νεας αυτης προτασεος

  • @raphberry
    @raphberry Před 2 lety +2

    I watch and rewatch all your videos almost nightly, before going to bed, they’re all so beautiful. The music at the end of this one made me emotional enough to post today. Thank you for the wonderful work you do.

  • @truesoundwave
    @truesoundwave Před 2 lety +45

    I'd love to see you do a video on dual quaternion skinning.
    It'd be combining topology, N-D transformations and general matrix/linear algebra.
    Alot of bad resources on it not really well explaining it's power.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Před 2 lety +21

      Have to admit that I have never heard of dual quaternion skinning. Will check it out :)

    • @truesoundwave
      @truesoundwave Před 2 lety +5

      @@Mathologer Computer Applied usage of Matrix Multiplication!
      I could just request Dual Quaternions in general.
      Dual Quaternion Skinning(DQS) is a rendering algorithm mixing a good bit of...everything.
      Mixes Linear Algebra , Toplogy, Complex Analysis, Physics/Volumes seamlessly to produce real-life like animation replication.
      Take like a 3d model Bicep Flexing while bending it's elbow. Under a linear system, it doesn't look...right.
      Under a DQS system, it looks like when Mathologer flexes his giant biceps in real life.
      Not many good sources on it however at all yet if you ask animators which they would prefer if they have the choice, most would reasonably say DQS.

    • @leif1075
      @leif1075 Před 2 lety

      @@Mathologer How come you never replied to my message on your other video?

    • @omp199
      @omp199 Před 2 lety

      @@truesoundwave A biceps muscle is not more than one "bicep"! It's not a plural. There is no such thing as a "bicep".

    • @ericbischoff9444
      @ericbischoff9444 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Mathologer or, to go more general, geometric algebra (basically, Clifford algebras). I think that could be "mathologerized" as it could be illustrated with small diagrams and, if the hard core abstraction is left behind, be put to the level of a general audience.

  • @joshuarosen6242
    @joshuarosen6242 Před 2 lety +11

    I recently watched an interesting video featuring Roger Penrose in which he expressed the view, which I share, that mathematics is discovered, not invented. When I see patterns like this it further strengthens my view that maths fits together too beautifully and with too many hidden but elegant patterns to be invented. This was very interesting and no, I hadn't heard of Moessner. Thank you for another informative and well-explained video. The internet isn't just stupid cat videos.

    • @waylonbarrett3456
      @waylonbarrett3456 Před 2 lety +1

      I believe we confuse the language. It seems what we do is that we INVENT ways to describe patterns that we have DISCOVERED in nature.

    • @joshuarosen6242
      @joshuarosen6242 Před 2 lety +1

      @@waylonbarrett3456 While that would be a reasonable interpretation if we were talking about physics, we aren't. There is no nature in mathematics.

    • @waylonbarrett3456
      @waylonbarrett3456 Před 2 lety

      @@joshuarosen6242 I disagree. Mathematics is explicitly natural. Before a mind existed, there were probably consistencies and patterns in natural phenomena. Only later would those patterns interface in the particular ways which we call perception and cognition and consciousness. When we abstract upon these patterns, our natural brains exhibit new natural patterns. Are you suggesting at some point it is supernatural?

    • @joshuarosen6242
      @joshuarosen6242 Před 2 lety

      @@waylonbarrett3456 If it were supernatural, it would be invented (presumably by some deity). I explicitly stated that I don't believe maths to be invented and so it cannot be supernatural.
      I'm not clear what it is that I wrote that you disagree with. I interpret your description of maths as being natural to mean it isn't invented, which is what I believe.

  • @maitland1007
    @maitland1007 Před 2 lety

    Brilliant video! I'm so glad you're back and glad you have gotten through the stressful times. It always makes my day when I see one if your videos appear.

  • @infinitumneo840
    @infinitumneo840 Před 2 lety

    I'm always glad to see your videos. I've noticed an underlying geometry to many complex mathematical proofs and even physics itself. This illustrated that idea very nicely. It's good to see your videos again.

  • @sentienttoast1319
    @sentienttoast1319 Před 2 lety +5

    I like how for this video I sat for 23 mins straight with full attention while I can't do the same thing for maths in school

  • @timburdack7366
    @timburdack7366 Před 2 lety +18

    Wow, this is so amazing and beautiful! That's why I love maths and especially number theory, thank you for that video!

  • @LordDestrus
    @LordDestrus Před 2 lety

    As a person relatively unskilled in math, I am in love with stuff like this. I am subscribed and angry that I only just found your channel! Cannot wait to binge your content!

  • @marcoantonio7648
    @marcoantonio7648 Před 2 lety +4

    I'm a simple man, I see mathologer video, i make popcorn and watch it!

  • @adityaruplaha
    @adityaruplaha Před 2 lety +3

    Oh man the timing of this video couldn't have been any better. Thank you so much!

  • @jacksonstarky8288
    @jacksonstarky8288 Před 2 lety +8

    I stumbled on something similar to this in my last year of high school, 31 years ago... but my analysis of the nth powers resulted in a reduction to n! with some additional terms that I couldn't figure out what to do with at the time. I put my expanded tables into a spreadsheet that I still have... and I'm going to have to have another look at my data with this video in mind.

  • @sillymel
    @sillymel Před 2 lety +6

    Man, Post's proof really was an amazing proof. That was one of those proofs that just makes me go "Wow!"

  • @SleeperGuy23
    @SleeperGuy23 Před 2 lety +5

    As a straight C, occasional B, math student I’m in awe of this channel. I discovered this channel just yesterday and I’ve already devoured several hours worth of math I otherwise would not have cared about.
    Idk if you are a teacher or were a teacher at one point but your presentation, explanations and enthusiasm is something I wish I had when I was taking math.

  • @tejarex
    @tejarex Před 2 lety +14

    Animated proofs should become routine in classrooms.

    • @ankitnautiyal2568
      @ankitnautiyal2568 Před 2 lety +2

      Yes so true, till what time we will be introduced to Maths in the same old bookish paragraphs.
      More so in maths before going to rigrous proof the pattern should be able to visualize by the learner and then think in an abstract way and generalize.

    • @R.Daneel
      @R.Daneel Před 2 lety

      So very true. Particularly introducing math in school. Involve the visual cortex to get a few shots of endorphins when a complex concept suddenly becomes obvious. Great introduction to far more conceptual math subjects. So often on CZcams I'm left wondering "why didn't they just show us that in school?"
      Case in point: czcams.com/video/_e6w5GtkcGI/video.html (QI Pythagoras Demo)

  • @Your2ndPlanB
    @Your2ndPlanB Před 2 lety +7

    I'm so impressed by the way you make difficult mathematics easy to understand. Thanks for inspiring me to be a better teacher :)

  • @JohnDoe-py4ty
    @JohnDoe-py4ty Před 2 lety +1

    How can it be that I'm not subscribed to this guy already? I love his pacing and enthusiasm for the subject - looking forward to more content like this!

  • @omrizemer6323
    @omrizemer6323 Před 2 lety +8

    This is an absolutely amazing video. I needed a few minutes to come back to my senses after watching this

  • @johnlinley4375
    @johnlinley4375 Před 2 lety +5

    I cannot tell you how much I enjoyed this lecture. It reminded me of several other Maths, and that in itself is one of its delights. Thank you.

  • @benvanrensburg4261
    @benvanrensburg4261 Před 2 lety +8

    Every time I see something like this, I wish (again) that I had nothing else to do than to learn Mathematics.

  • @Jukka70
    @Jukka70 Před 2 lety +1

    Welcome back, so great to have you back. I can relate to being busy. Am working at three location teach math at Adult education. 7 students alone in one location. So I really appreciate that you still have time for all of us. :). It not only amazes me the things you find to talk about, but to be able to find ways to explain things including things that are new proofs.

  • @timburdack7366
    @timburdack7366 Před 2 lety +50

    13:00 My guess: a^2 = a×a, so I think the output sequence will be a^a.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Před 2 lety +12

      Hmm, good guess, ... but, no :)

    • @eliyasne9695
      @eliyasne9695 Před 2 lety +7

      I gueesed it to be the double factorial of successive odd numbers, because:
      n²=1+3+5+•••+(2n-1)
      (2n-1)!!=1·3·5·•••·(2n-1)

    • @kingkartabyo6206
      @kingkartabyo6206 Před 2 lety +8

      @@Mathologer 13:00 It’s pretty neat, as the crucial hint for this is 12:34. Although, how shifting a term forward affects the results is not that clear.
      So, n!(n-1)! should be the answer.
      And of course, made my day with your return!

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky Před 2 lety +1

      @@eliyasne9695 What if we reverse the task and try to find the initial sequence that generates the double factorial sequence - what would that sequence look like?

    • @eliyasne9695
      @eliyasne9695 Před 2 lety +3

      @@allozovsky
      when I think about it, looking at the result at 11:50 it becomes obvious that we need a=1,b=0,c=1,d=0, and so on in an alternating pattern.
      So the sequence leading to the double factorial is: 1, 2, 3+1, 4+2, 5+3+1, 6+4+2, 7+5+3+1 •••
      Pretty cool!

  • @Jack_Callcott_AU
    @Jack_Callcott_AU Před 2 lety +4

    Herr Mathologer, Vielen Dank. This is one of the most incredible maths videos I have seen!

  • @aviralkumarbarnwal83
    @aviralkumarbarnwal83 Před 2 lety +8

    One of the best teacher of mathematics.❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ u sirji

  • @enricoognibene1582
    @enricoognibene1582 Před 2 lety

    Welcome back! Long awaited, but it was absolutely worth it! Great video

  • @aurielklasovsky1435
    @aurielklasovsky1435 Před 2 lety

    That was so much fun! Pascals triangle rocks so good :) I think this is my new favorite video of yours. Please keep creating beautiful geometric profs, you the man!

  • @Joffrerap
    @Joffrerap Před 2 lety +7

    15:35 very nice way to teach binomial coefficient

  • @punditgi
    @punditgi Před 2 lety +4

    Welcome back! We missed you, mein Herr! Hertzlich willkommen!

  • @ronaldronald8819
    @ronaldronald8819 Před 2 lety +1

    Pascals triangle always intrigued me. I looked at your explanation with amazement and delight. Thank you so much, an other secret revealed.

  • @agreenwood3478
    @agreenwood3478 Před 2 lety +1

    I'm so very grateful for the time, work, and knowledge that goes into these teachings. Much love to the community of curious minds that coalesce around great men/women of science. It's a pleasure to be here with you all.

  • @InverseHackermann
    @InverseHackermann Před 2 lety +10

    13:00 Spoilers below!
    Using a=1, b=c=d=...=2, the highlighted sequence is
    1, 2+2, 3+2+4, 4+2+4+6, ...
    In each term of the sequence, we can split up the first term of the sum into k 1s and spread them out over the rest of the terms of the sum, giving
    1, 1+(1+2), 1+(1+2)+(1+4), 1+(1+2)+(1+4)+(1+6), ...
    Each term of the sequence is the sum of the first k odd numbers, which are the squares.
    That means that the sequence generated by the squares is
    1, 2*1^2, 3*2^2*1^2, 4*3^2*2^2*1^2, ...
    In general, the kth term is k(k-1)!^2=k!(k-1)!

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Před 2 lety +4

      Veeery nice :)

    • @danielprovder
      @danielprovder Před 2 lety

      My inductive guess tells me the cubes yields (k)!(k-1)!(k-2)!

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky Před 2 lety +1

      @@danielprovder Seems more like n³ ↦ n×[(n-1)!⋅(n-2)!⋅...2!⋅1!)]⁶, as follows from the general formula.

    • @allozovsky
      @allozovsky Před 2 lety

      @@danielprovder But there is an input sequence that yields n!·(n-1)!·(n-2)!
      We may present it as n!·(n-1)!·(n-2)! = n¹·(n-1)²·[(n-2)!]³, which gives us a = 1, b = 2, c = d = e = ... = 3, so the input sequence would be n + 2·(n-1) + 3·[(n-2) + (n-3) + ... + 2 + 1] = (3n² - 3n + 2)/2 - it's only that the expression n!·(n-1)!·(n-2)! itself is not properly defined for n = 1, since (n-2)! = (1-2)! = (-1)! is hard to calculate :)

    • @3Max
      @3Max Před rokem

      We see a formula with the triangle(!) numbers, and the fifth element is exactly the number of seconds in a day... @Mathologer, coincidence? I think not!

  • @rogerhudson2814
    @rogerhudson2814 Před 2 lety +3

    One of the best, clearest, bits of number theory. Students have it so much easier than I did 40 years ago. Great video.

  • @HxTurtle
    @HxTurtle Před 2 lety

    that must just about be the most mind bending video I ever saw. I know almost all 3 blue 1 brown videos, but what's so beautiful about this video is, that it always stays simple enough so that one can follow. I mean, there's no way to come up with all those correlations on your own, but once you get them presented this way, you actually see/understand the connections. that whole video is just about the edge of what I'm still able to follow without ever going over it .. that's why I like it so much.

  • @prgnify
    @prgnify Před 2 lety

    23:25 and you just made my day with your awesome explanation, walk-through and visualisation. Such a privilege to watch you, thanks for sharing

  • @tychophotiou6962
    @tychophotiou6962 Před 2 lety +4

    Wow! That is absolutely fantastic! I am a maths teacher. Every time I watch one of your videos my respect for you increases even more.
    You are most definitely one of the greatest mathematicians of the 21st century!!!

  • @MattiaDonega
    @MattiaDonega Před 2 lety +8

    Wow!! It's always a great pleasure to see your animated proofs! Challenge myself as a teacher to improve my skills and imagination for my lessons. Thank you a lot!!

  • @brad682
    @brad682 Před 2 lety

    This is the first time I’ve encountered Mossner’s Miracle, and it made my day too! Thanks for presenting a heady maths topic in such a way that a layperson can understand! That was really cool!!

    • @nenmaster5218
      @nenmaster5218 Před 2 lety

      The Learning never ends,
      so call it silly, but i do have the hobby of asking people
      if i an recommend them science-chanenl or just education-channel in general
      to them!
      Mind if i do?

  • @CODENAMEDERPY
    @CODENAMEDERPY Před 2 lety +1

    This is amazing. Thank you for making these videos for the world to see. They make it a better place.

  • @benYaakov
    @benYaakov Před 2 lety +3

    I can't believe for your effort in video
    Please never stop making such beautiful videos .

  • @jasonmorello1374
    @jasonmorello1374 Před 2 lety +4

    After a fashion, I think you have shown the nature of how slide rules work. Logarithmic scaling of two sets, and when compounded, brings to value in magnitude, similar to a pantograph.

  • @mattfisher7641
    @mattfisher7641 Před 2 lety +2

    Thank you! Your collection of CZcams videos is the modern day equivalent of Euclid's "Elements"...so clear, so precise, so pretty.

  • @Ni999
    @Ni999 Před 2 lety +2

    I'll probably never be able to say which of your videos is my favorite but if I had to try, this one would have to be on the list.

  • @Nikolas_Davis
    @Nikolas_Davis Před 2 lety +3

    Roger Penrose also presents the "cube-hegaxon" visual proof in his 1994 book " *Shadows of the Mind: A Search for the Missing Science of Consciousness* ". It is in chapter 2, section 2.4 (" How do we decide that some computations do not stop?")

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Před 2 lety +4

      Yes, that's the standard "the hexagonal numbers add to cubes proof". That's what I adapted to come up with the visual proof for Moessner's miracle in the skip three case that I present in this video :)

    • @mlmimichaellucasmontereyin6765
      @mlmimichaellucasmontereyin6765 Před 2 lety

      Thanks!

  • @timburdack7366
    @timburdack7366 Před 2 lety +15

    Uhh, a new Mathologer video! I'm soo excited!

  • @Piffsnow
    @Piffsnow Před 2 lety

    This channel always amazes me, even though I know it's good stuff.
    I'm a maths teacher and I learn so much here!
    Thanks!

  • @DaveRS575
    @DaveRS575 Před rokem

    One of my greatest challenges in mathematics was that I am primarily a "visual learner". None of my teachers were capable or willing to assist me with this issue. (1972-1984). My ability to visualize patterns and ultimately assign values to these pattern integers (reversing the process so to speak) ultimately helped me to understand how to develop compression and encryption algorithms and their respective keys, ultimately leading me into a career as a computer systems engineer, global network architect and designer regardless of my inability to comprehend the terminology used in common teaching methods used those days.
    I've recently discovered a renewed interest, even passion for physics and learning, through people like yourself who understand the importance of talking the time to teach both the concepts and the visual at a reasonable pace and in a manner that is not only clear and concise, but that you are brave enough to do so in a humble, fun, way without conceit or unnecessary arrogance so many people teaching in the field seem to have. I look forward to learning from you and your many videos here.
    It's no small wonder you have 100's of thousands of subscribers and millions of views and fans. Keep up the great work you've been doing. I've been looking for a good resource for my 8 year old grandson who is following me (and even exceeding me!) on my "return to mathmatics" journey! Thank you again.

  • @Jaylooker
    @Jaylooker Před 2 lety +7

    It’s interesting to consider this prospective of the logarithmic product rule in the context of primes, the prime number theorem, harmonic series, and Reimann Zeta function.

  • @cooleslaw
    @cooleslaw Před 2 lety +4

    Nice, never heard of him, but glad to learn about him now.

  • @charamomochi7629
    @charamomochi7629 Před 2 lety

    This was so cool to watch, thank you so much for this and I will definitely stick around for another.

  • @kennytran4
    @kennytran4 Před 2 lety

    It's always a joy to see these videos come out -- I remember reading your articles from the days of QEDcat on The Age.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Před 2 lety

      That's great :) Marty and I are just working on a second collection of these articles. Will be published later on this year. QEDcat is still alive !

  • @rustybolts8953
    @rustybolts8953 Před 2 lety +6

    "Pretty obvious this pattern will continue forever." Fascinating how infinity is so intrinsically numerical...

  • @robinbuehler
    @robinbuehler Před 2 lety +5

    Great video! A few years back I wrote my bachelor's thesis about homomorphic encryption. I would love to see how you explain how it works 🤠 I'm sure the different perspective will amaze me.

  • @Etobio
    @Etobio Před 2 lety +2

    You are very engaging to your audience, and coupled with the excellent visuals this video was made very easy and pleasant to watch. Thank you!

  • @ArnabNature
    @ArnabNature Před 2 lety

    I was waiting when you will upload a video. Love Mathologer ❤

  • @jannegrey593
    @jannegrey593 Před 2 lety +31

    Yay! Another video - thank you.
    Can we get that one on Galois theory? Or did CZcams messed up again and didn't notify me and you already published it?
    Regardless - I love your videos!

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Před 2 lety +59

      Galois, is the big one later this year :)

    • @mohammedal-haddad2652
      @mohammedal-haddad2652 Před 2 lety +3

      @@Mathologer looking forward.

    • @shoam2103
      @shoam2103 Před 2 lety +2

      @@Mathologer wow awesome!

    • @Nightriser271828
      @Nightriser271828 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Mathologer fabulous! I did some reading on Galois theory for school and would love to see where you go with it.

    • @mlmimichaellucasmontereyin6765
      @mlmimichaellucasmontereyin6765 Před 2 lety +1

      @@Mathologer Dear Sir, I think you will see that my paper on post-modern metamaths metatheory, number theory, RH, etc., enables new group theory, etc.

  • @Zavstar
    @Zavstar Před 2 lety +17

    Pascals triangle seems to be everywhere

  • @joaovbarros
    @joaovbarros Před 2 lety

    Glad to have you back. 3 months is way too long without new mathologer videos.

  • @DarkCloud7
    @DarkCloud7 Před 2 lety +2

    This was awesome to watch. I felt my eyes shining.

  • @catman4184
    @catman4184 Před 2 lety +14

    For the challenge at 13:00, I got the sequence n!(n-1)!

  • @jansacha772
    @jansacha772 Před 2 lety +4

    An hour ago I wondered when Mathologer would uploud a new video. I started to search answers in the whole internet an now he uploads !!! Coincidence?

  • @mateusildefonso6021
    @mateusildefonso6021 Před 2 lety +1

    You've proven this miracle with dynamic programming. You are a genius!

  • @davidandrade5572
    @davidandrade5572 Před 2 lety

    Your content never ceases to impress me 🤯🤯🤯 makes regret changing from pure math to applied math...

  • @nerouchih3529
    @nerouchih3529 Před 2 lety +5

    Some of these and others similar you can find in 1st volume of Knuth's "The Art of Computer Programming" with invitation to prove ones

  • @TedToal_TedToal
    @TedToal_TedToal Před 2 lety +3

    Always something new and cool!
    And in the back of my head I’m wondering about whether there might be a lot of other applications here to turning a multidimensional problem into a 2D problem? Can we use this to help us visualize multiple dimensions?

  • @RydarkVoyager
    @RydarkVoyager Před 2 lety +1

    It is getting close to an uncountable infinity, the number of times I had to pick my jaw off the floor watching this magic. Love your erudite but accessible expositions. If only my math teachers were clones of you 50 years ago...

  • @inciaradible7144
    @inciaradible7144 Před 2 lety +1

    Very interesting stuff; when I was about 15, I ran into these Moessner sequences when I was trying to figure out how to compute roots and produce good guesses for Newton-Rhapson methods. To this day, the fact summing the odd numbers gives you the squares is still such a fascinating thing to me; when it comes to learning about infinite sums, and sequences, I personally think it is a better introductory puzzle than Gauss' famous story of adding the integers, just because the output here is so recognisable.

  • @sirnukesalot24
    @sirnukesalot24 Před 2 lety +12

    Sum, product, exponent, factorial... how does this pattern keep growing? Is the next step a factorial exponent? Where does product summation fall within this pattern? What do we do with the levels that haven't been named, let alone conceptualized yet? What can we do with them once we've figured that out?

    • @EarthAltar
      @EarthAltar Před 2 lety +2

      That's when you build a warp drive engine for interstellar travel.

    • @tsawy6
      @tsawy6 Před 2 lety +1

      There are generalisations. One cool one is the Ackermann function, which takes two natural numbers a and b, and if * is the b^th hyper operation returns a*a. It grows exceptionally massive exceptionally quickly.

    • @balsoft01
      @balsoft01 Před 2 lety +5

      What you're referring to are hyperoperators. A really cool topic. And all of the hyperoperators have names, IIRC it's -ation, where is the "level" of the hyperoperator. Addition (a.k.a mononation) is the first hyperoperator, multiplication (diation) is the second, exponentiation (triation) is the third, and after exponentiation comes tetration. The hyperoperators are written as their "level" inside square brackets, so a + b is a[1]b, a * b is a[2]b, and a^b is a[3]b. The definition of hyperoperators is kinda hard, but the basic idea is that a[0]b = 1 + b and a[n]b = a[n - 1](a [n] (b - 1)), with a[n]0 being a for n = 1 (addition), 0 for n = 2 (multiplication), and 1 for n >= 3 (exponentiation and higher).

    • @6612770
      @6612770 Před 2 lety +1

      @sirnukesalot24 I get the feeling that the solution to the Riemann Hypothesis is up there somewhere...

    • @mlmimichaellucasmontereyin6765
      @mlmimichaellucasmontereyin6765 Před 2 lety

      @@EarthAltar ...unless you then realize that you no longer need expensive machines to get you across the very dangerous vastness of universal stuff at or beyond the speeds of light [sic]. The speed of mind is infinitely faster (and safer, and cheaper, and Greener).

  • @kshitijdalal4420
    @kshitijdalal4420 Před 2 lety +4

    Loved this Video! Always wondered whether there was any research on the addition of odd numbers to get squares. I knew how to get the cubes, but was pleasantly surprised to know that the pattern continues! Made my day, (the week actually). Loved the fact that some of the approaches in the video share a big similarity to the ones in your power sum video, grids and various others (And pascal's triangle!). Also, how you can use geometry to not only visualize, but also solve what is, essentially, a number theory and algebra problem. Gently makes you appreciate how interconnected everything in mathematics is. I hope you can keep making these videos, and that they reach an even larger audience, so everyone can fully enjoy and learn advanced mathematics.
    PS : Is your geometric proof the first one?
    PPS : I think, the output sequence might be n!*(n-1)! ? if a =1 and b, c, ... =2?, Since then each term would become n + 2(n(n-1)/2) = n^2.

    • @Mathologer
      @Mathologer  Před 2 lety +2

      "I think, the output sequence might be n!*(n-1)! ? if a =1 and b, c, ... =2?" That's it :)

  • @AntoniGawlikowski
    @AntoniGawlikowski Před 2 lety

    I have never heard about this, and it's really super interesting and surprising. Thank you!

  • @SaturnCanuck
    @SaturnCanuck Před 2 lety

    Honestly that was your best video yet. Beautiful.

  • @user-dg9cr6wu9i
    @user-dg9cr6wu9i Před 2 lety +4

    What an elegant proof!

  • @davicorosello1588
    @davicorosello1588 Před 2 lety +19

    You lost me at "turn any one of the green circle into an orange circle", im colorblind, couldnt se any diference between that kind of green and that particular orange, a regular red should have been more noticeable 😅
    But that didnt stop me for keep watching the demostration, amazing as ever, its nice to have you back. 👍🏼💪🏼

  • @gyana5804
    @gyana5804 Před 2 lety

    This was beautiful I had soo much fun playing around with all those sequences and got soo many new ideas

  • @5c0ttyd
    @5c0ttyd Před 2 lety +2

    My first Mathologer video. Certainly won't be the last! Subscribed 👍
    Very well explained, beautiful content, and a quirky likeable German dude with an infectious laugh. What more do you want?!