🇩🇪 MEET THE GERMANS | American Couple Reacts "The German School System"
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As I understand it in Germany the education is a right of the child, and the society as a whole is responsible for the education of children. A child is not a property of their parents, but has his or her own rights. I think this to be a good thing. Home schooling as a substitute in my opinion is a bad thing. Additional home schooling, or aid by parents can be a good thing, as long as they don't take over the work.
I think it’s so important for kids to grow up with a variety of people and views around them and I don’t think parents alone can provide that within their social circle. Also teachers are trained to provide a (relatively) unbiased view on their subjects, while parents can obviously hardly be unbiased in teaching their child about the world. You can and should of course teach your child your ways the other 16 hours of the day. In Germany I personally associate (illegal) homeschooling with conspiracy theorists for example - however, based on some American school board decisions I’ve heard of I understand why homeschooling is a lot more popular over there.
Everything here approaches homeschooling differently, so I don’t believe it is just the parents’ social circle which we do agree can hinder children especially with parents who are not open minded. About the school board decisions - let’s just say it is very strange times, unfortunately.
homeschooling is in general seen badly around the world. In Poland it's seen as a loophole for religious or anti-science indoctrination and as a bad influence on child's social upbringing (since kid doesn't interact with anyone and cannot build relationships). It's allowed only in special circumstances and even then it's not exactly home school either - it's not the parents doing the teaching, but teachers from the school visit the kid eg. in hospital
Mark - Name - percentage - Points in Gymnasium
1 - very good - (100 - 92%) - 15-13
2 - good - (91 - 81%) - 12-10
3 - fulfilling - (80 - 67%) - 9-7
4 - sufficient - (66 - 50%) - 6-4
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5 - deficient - (49 - 30%) - 3-1
6 - insufficient (29 - 0%) - 0
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I love that you guys are so interested in the world, educating yourselves and also educating us on your experiences! Very cool!
I do not have children, so I can only describe our general attitude in Germany: Not allowing home schooling is also about protecting children against indoctrination by parents (No matter which kind.).
Funding: It is not only the neighbourhood. Yes, the municipality funds the materialistic parts of the school. But no, not the teachers. They are state employees.
In Germany we also have the grading system 0 to 100 points, used in vocational training and calculated to the 1-6 system.
There are 1 = very good, 2 = good, 3 = satisfactory, 4 = sufficient, 5 = insufficient/inadequate, 6 = "total fail". A 1 would in the US be converted to an A, a 2 to an A or B, 3 to an C, 4 to an D, 5 and 6 to an F. In the 100 point system you must get 50 points to survive. The Chamber of Industry and Commerce defines:
A performance that particularly meets the requirements: 100-92 points = grade 1 / very good
A performance fully meeting the requirements: 91-81 points = grade 2 / good
A performance that generally meets the requirements: 80-67 points = grade 3 / satisfactory
A performance that has deficiencies but still meets the requirements overall: 66-50 points = grade 4 / sufficient
A performance that does not meet the requirements, but shows that basic knowledge is present: 49-30 points = grade 5 / inadequate
A performance that does not meet the requirements and where even basic knowledge is patchy: 29-0 points = grade 6 / insufficient
Another major difference to the American school system is that in Germany, it is not the teachers that are assigned a room and the students come to them, but the students are in fixed classes and assigned a classroom and the teachers come to them. So, students may go to specific rooms for music, sports of course (gym, track), or chemistry lab f.e. and they may split up during religion or ethics classes according to denomination or in choice fields (such as when they choose to take needlework or woodwork (if the schools offer these), but apart from these, students have subjects such as maths, language training, social studies, geography etc. that do not necessarily require certain props (such as chemistry, where they need power and sinks) in their assigned classroom. Cohorts (fifth grade, sixth grade etc.) are split into fixed classes (and they usually form a solid class identity and sort of are in mild competition with other classes their level), which is often only broken up during grades 11-13 when students can opt out of certain subjects and focus on the subjects they are best in or like better. Homeschooling is illegal in Germany (with few exceptions), as we believe that every child needs to be socialized into the real world and be exposed to other ideas, thoughts, social strata, belief systems etc. to get a well-rounded understanding of society and not only to their parents’ chosen subculture.
I was never a fan of home schooling and after the chaos with C-19 I'm even more convinced it's good that we don't have it in Germany. I don't have children but my brother, his wife and I tutored (or better tried our best) my niece when the schools were closed. Luckily we all have different strengths and interrests so we could share the load. After this experience I'm not sure that homeschooling provides a child with enough knowledge for a successful future.
The socializing in schools is also a big plus in my eyes. A child has to learn how to deal and communicate with people that he/she don't like (for whatever reason). If the child stay's at home it will only hang around friends and didn't learn this skill. We all know how important it is later in life to deal with people you can't stand (it could be your boss 😉).
I think parents around the world felt the same way during the chaos😂.
@@TheDemouchetsREACT It's more than that...the effect was pretty devasting overall, a lot of children are now behind in both their subjects and the ability to socialise. There are now discussions how to tackle the effect.
Looking back, I can say that my parents (in the 1970s) were only able to help us with vocabulary tests or practice dictation. I was able to give our own children homework help up to the 7th grade and later "proofreading" (essays, projects and yes, the bachelor's thesis). Surely I would only feel like a "teaching parent" up to the 6th grade. And my problem would be that my kids would have hated me because I was always supervising everything very strictly ;)
@swanpride We’re aware as we were amongst the parents stressed out during the pandemic. Thankfully, we’ve found ways to overcome the challenge. We can breath now.
Homeschooling is definitely not for everyone.
My opinion about home schooling is, that even though it's your child it doesn't mean you are allowed to do with it what you want. They have the right to a proper education and that's not always guaranteed, when they are home schooled. It's the states job to watch out for the ones who can't watch out for themselves and that's why education in actual schools is mandatory.
What is repeatedly overlooked in the stories about the German school system is the possibility of a second chance of education. In English, this type of school is referred to as a "school of former education". It enables people who were perhaps too busy with their teenage problems during their regular school days to get a university degree and study, which in Germany almost always requires the Abitur. This school career can be started directly after regular schooling or, which is very often the case, after successfully completing vocational training. A typical career path would be, for example, a secondary school leaving certificate, followed by vocational training. Then the attendance of the 10th grade in the specific professional field in which the student was trained in his profession. So someone who became a machinist would continue his specific career in the "metal" field, which involves subject-specific instruction. The so-called "technical theory lessons". After the successful completion of the 10th class, this person would then go directly to the 12th class (because he has already completed a 3-year skilled worker training course and is familiar with the professional field), where he then achieves the university entrance qualification with a technical diploma. However, the Fachabitur only allows access to professions that were in the original professional field of the student. As a metalworker with a vocational qualification, there would then be the possibility of starting an engineering course at the university, e.g. as a mechanical engineer. However, there is also the possibility as an adult to catch up on a general Abitur. But then you also need the full school years, up to the 13th grade. This also has to do with the fact that studying medicine (regardless of whether it is human or veterinary medicine), an education in Latin is necessary in order to understand the medical terms of e.g. the organs or diseases. So if you started your training at the age of 15 or 16, which almost always ends after 3 years (apprenticeship years) and then goes back to school, then you would have the Abitur at the age of 22-23. If everything goes well, you could still become a doctor at the age of 30. I have only dealt roughly and superficially with this entire spectrum of professional training and further education. But I find this concept far too important not to be mentioned. I know a few people who have changed their professional career significantly and, for example, went from being a trained salesman in retail to becoming a high school teacher...
I fondly remember when Angela Merkel said "Das Internet ist für uns alle Neuland" (The internet is new territory to us).
I also remember sitting at my education center in a schooling room. Because of Covid-19 the woman from the Agentur für Arbeit had to stay at home and was to be connected to us via internet.
You can guess how that went yourself xD
She thinks that the grades 1 - 6 exist in schools from grade 5 onwards.
Everything that comes after the 10th grade, i.e. the secondary schools (for the general higher education entrance qualification, Abitur grades 11 - 13) have the point system 0 - 15, whereby 0 is equivalent to a 6, 1 point corresponds to a 5 minus.
However, it also happens that teachers give you a percentage of your grade.
Well, I had an average grade of 3.3 in my final exams.
However, the major difference between the USA and German schools* is likely to lie in the type of tests. As far as I know, most American schools use a standard test system for which it is worth memorizing, while in German schools the "path can be the goal" = e.g. Mahtematik-> the whole calculation is written down and you get points per task for every correct aspect, so even if the last calculations are wrong at the end, you can still get a 3 as a grade. So you have to know the topic in order to be able to answer the tasks "in your own words" in, for example, biology, history or geography.
*Varies also in Germany from school to school and federal state to federal state.
In the UK there have been some experiments of starting older teenage students later and finishing later. So far results have shown higher grades and teenage boys paying more attention
Children should be around peers. School isn't just about learning facts, it's also about developing social skills. I'm very critical of homeschooling for that reason alone. And as others have said, in Germany this issue usually only comes up when the state has to deal withe people who outright reject the state altogether and feel they should have the right to do as they please.
I like the option of home schooling. The "lack of socialization" is really a red herring in most cases. I know a lot of parents who homeschool their children and they participate in a large number of activities that enable socialization. For example, homeschooled kids can participate on local school sports teams and amateur leagues in our area. Kids tend to play together regardless of the school they attend (or don't attend) at the park / playground and have opportunities to learn socialization in that environment as well. I just don't see lack of socialization as a valid reason to reject home schooling as a viable option.
Homeschooling isn't illegal in my country but no one does it. The government has made it very difficult and I don't think there's much demand for it; even the most religious families here don't homeschool.
I want to make the best for my grandchildren. They have to fight because there mother is alone. But they still have there Opa.
For me home school is an American thing, but its slowly creeping into our Nigerian society. Just like the USA we have Primary school aka elementary, secondary school aka high school and tertiary aka University or College with a caveat.
Pupils/students with special needs have a special school, however most of them do not go beyond secondary school, because there are no(at least none that i know of) special school for the disabled especially, when it comes to tertiary education.
There are vocational schools aka technical schools as well in the secondary level. Many students here most times end up in polytechnics for their tertiary education or go on to start a trade.
Now we’re interested in the lives of special needs students. Here, they are integrated into society with jobs and other programs. Are there any programs to support them after they complete their education?
@@TheDemouchetsREACT Sorry to say, but Nigeria is not the place for people with special needs. Oftentimes they end up living a life that's more like a burden to their family.
The majority of them end up as a heavy burden to their families, because the Nigerian society has not really put things in place to cater for their needs.
In fact the government as of today just doesn't care. Maybe things might change with the new government.
He's not wrong. Because it really doesn't count if you sleep.
Not that I ever did, because I was never caught. 😇
As someone who has had pretty bad social anxiety all my life I would have definitely benefited from home schooling. I basically just spent my days waiting until I could finally go home again and all my energy was focused on surviving the day. I stopped caring about my grades by the time I was like 15 because just showing up to school was hard enough and you can definitely see it in my final grades as well. I can't help but think that my grades could have been a lot better if I could have just done my school work from home. I get when people say socializing is just as important as the academia itself, but for me the social aspect of school got in the way of my education and I wish there would have been another option.
The School System in Germany is not fair. When you go to Hauptschule or Realschule you will have a significantly worse income than People who Make their "High School" Gymnasium. Its really Depends on which of the 3 School Types you get.
Or is it fair, because those in Gymnasium had to go to school 12-13 years and Haupt-/Realschule only 9/10? And while in school Gymnasium students have to study harder?
No. Because even after attending school you still have to go to university or learn a trade before you earn money. Or go to school to make higher exams. And - a lot of trade jobs with just Haupt-/Realschule e.g. give you better money and job alternatives than even academic degrees e.g. in social jobs.
I have many friends who have, even later, switched school systems again. Nothing is set in stone. The system is flexible and allows for students to switch between the schools if the grades allow…
Parents have lost their kids for homeschooling them.