Why I Use This Mitre Saw Everyday (Makita 40v)
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- The last dislike is a design flaw in my opinion. But other than that, this is a great all-round mitre saw. As always with cordless tools, get the tool that fits with your workflow. If you plan on investing in the Makita 40 volt system - this could be the saw for you.
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Spot on!
lol, that's not good. Fanboi wank off stuff. No legitimate non millennial tech person listens to MKB.
@@davenz000 couldn't have said it better myself, millennial fanboys heh
Probably a fair comparison, Mr. Scott brown is both critical and complimentary. As he says, he thinks of himself as a positive person
I just bought this exact saw and started up with the 40V system. Scott's reviews had a big impact on my decision. Thanx and hello from the other side of the globe in Canada. 😊😊
Thanks to your Video I bought one of these today. Complete with its matching stand. Very impressed so far. Thanks for taking the time to make your videos.
Great review. Thanks.
I'm a mostly Makita guy, and have been eyeing the 40v Compound Miter by Makita.
Haven't justified my "need" against the price yet. The points you covered here really help.
Regarding the undersized vacuum tube... they took notes from refrigerator manufacturers, who have been undersizing their condensate drains ever since they started making frost free 'fridges.
I probably won’t buy a drop saw for years but I love hearing your thoughts on them. Always gotta watch the next exciting episode, no matter the topic!
I saw your other video about selling your van. The market for used vehicles are flattening out. We are about at the peak for used vehicle prices. Good luck! Great content!
Great review Scott.
Your right about the dust extraction.. although I mainly cut MDF on 2nd fix carpentry and it’s sucks up 80% of the dust .
Softwoods however, clogs very quickly.
It’s a great saw though.. with a 260 mm blade version on the way …
Scott Iam a Banker but your videos are so honest that when I retire I will go back and watch them all. Tools reviews awesome. Please keep it honest.
A comprehensive review. Nice.
I'm with you on D-handles. I have a cheap 20yr old 255mm GMC drop (not slide) and a similar aged 305mm Bosch Drop and slide, both with D handles. I can use these with either hand. I bought Dewalt 255mm Drops for school which have the sideways handle and I keep having to stop students from crossing over their arms because they are uncomfortable swapping trigger hands
Awesome review mate. I’m thinking of waiting to for the bigger dropsaw. And can’t wait for the 40v track saw
Great video! Marita is a great brand no question I my mind. I've owned a 10" electric LS1013 since 2002 and still running with original brushes and accuracy is spot on. I check it regularly for out of alignment and all I can say it's an amazing mitre saw, and I've used this baby every week practically since 2002 as a contractor and finishing Carpenter. That 40V cordless saw looks great, but for sure out of my price range. As for the dust collection, they need to get rid of that corrogated hose, way to many ribs to pull dust thru in abundance, try changing to a preformed light weight rubber hose and I'm sure the difference would be incredible. The ribs also reduce the air movement as it creates way to my friction. That's my thoughts. Great review though, keep up the good work. Andrew
You keep finding new ways to help me defend saving up for the Kapex.
I have a Makita 5" random orbit sander. I mention this because I was surprised how small the dust collection port was on the sander. I 3D printed adapters to fit up to my 1 1/4in hoses. The reduction in size of the port was quite silly, really. Perhaps there's an upgrade path in the future. I'm betting tooth count, and moisture may play role as well. You have an awesome channel. Thank you!
Scott, I have owned Makita saws in the past and wanted another cordless miter saw. I was thinking Milwaukee since I own a lot of their tools, but to many complaints. After watching your video I decided on this saw you have. Makita makes fine tools and this one is light weight , cordless, and great for small jobs. I enjoy your videos, keep them coming. Oh btw, I agreed with you on the handle, I don't like the horizontal handles.
Always good Scott, I always learn something SBC. 😎well done!
This channel is so useful for me as I work in designing power tools for a living, and on a cordless mitre saw at the moment as a matter of fact. That 216 makita looks awesome, it has all the best features of a mitre saw in my eyes, and of all the tools we have on hand for product research I'd say Makita build quality is one of the best.
Their 260mm 36V is a beast but man it weighs more than the sun, it's clear the 216 was designed to combat the portability issues of the bigger one.
Keep up the great videos man, hello from the UK.
It would be really nice if these machines split in two for transport. A quick lock at the mitre pivot would be nice. Make storage easier too.
@@Forexfox99 Interesting idea but it would impact pretty majorly on the accuracy of the product, the tolerance of parts all contribute to cut accuracy, and there's a lot of parts all stacked up that influence where and how the blade lands on the work piece.
We design our mitre saw to come in 3 components which reduces the pakcaging size by up to 40% and then assembled by the user, but this is a one time assembly, and even then we had to focus on key areas to make sure there is as little play in the saw head as possible. The slightest movement can have a big impact, particularly when making full capacity cross cuts.
And also over time of taking the saw apart and reassemlbing maybe on a regular basis, parts would wear faster and the tolerances would increase meaning over time the saw would become more inaccurate. There's also more chance for dust and debris to get into bearing surfaces on the die castings meaning rough movement or even jamming.
@@Forexfox99 that's a terrible idea, sorry. The MOST important thing about a mitre saw is that it cuts straight, repeatedly. Making it collapsible like that would really mess with the accuracy.
What is the cut capacity at 45 degree bevel? can it cut through a 2x4 at 45 bevel?
Are you willing to say what company you work for?
I have one of these and it’s an absolute gem of a saw, only dislike is the dust extraction but I can live with that!
Is there any way to plug it in when you don't need the cordless functionality? Or is battery power the only option?
@@doze3705 Some tools have ac adapters to connect ur brushless tool. Tho not need that and can't remember which one have/had it
Battery is the only option, depends on what you doing but I get a days cutting out of the battery
With something like this, batteries last a really long time and take no time - around an hour - to charge up. Be cool to have a cord for sure, but for something like this, it is definitely not needed
Nice review, I like the good and the bad. Provides a great overview!
Nice job mate. Keep the great videos and tool reviews coming 🤙
Greetings from the Brazil. This is my first time here. I love Makita. Great review amd channel.
I liked the new graphics/texts. Very professional looking :)
hello Scott first time visitor and new subscriber thanks for the review, my local tool shop has these on sale I will go buy one today. Great video
Great review. I had a Milwaukee m18fuel 12inch drop saw, up until a week ago when, for the second time in 6 months, it stopped working. Now they tell me that particular issue is a regular issue for the 12 inch and they basically have stopped selling the in New Zealand. My back up saw is the electric 12inch version of the saw reviewed here. Apart from the weight, it’s a great saw. The laser issue isn’t a big deal as it’s a simple case of getting used to the line. I use macrocarpa sleepers often, hot knife through butter! But man does it clog up!! My saw came with no dust bag, which I thought was ridiculous but then I realised it doesn’t really needs a bag, because it’s just going to block anyway…I do have a vac that I put on the saw but it still blocks a fair bit.
That feedback about dust extraction is pure gold for Makita. Hope they notice 👍
Dust extraction is the Achilles heel for Makita generally. Unlike Festool, they still haven’t figured out the value of standardizing on dust ports for their tools. You constantly need to McGiver connections. Which, considering the solid quality of their tools, is a bizarre point of failure.
Congrats on 281K Subs!
I purchased my 40v Chopsaw on the strength of your first video and I absolutely love it..
I fit custom bespoke bedrooms and use it for all of the mitres with no complaints whatsoever.
My extraction is the Bluetooth Festool CTM MIDI and it’s great, I don’t get clogs? Only issue is the Bluetooth is not compatible, so I just use the Bluetooth button on my vacuum hose.
I don’t think it’s expensive either, for the convenience it’s worth every penny and the batteries last for ages, I only need to change them once a week and they literally charge in about 15 minutes.
This is a truly great piece of kit and I thank you for your videos.
What is the cut capacity at 45 degree bevel? can it cut through a 2x4 at 45 bevel?
Greetings from the UK, love the channel this is my first comment. I have 3 chops saws for different things. I have the milwaukee same as you because it's the lightest most compact double bevel mitre saw which I use for second fix carpentry. I have the bigger 36v makita for roofing and large section timber because it's got a large compound mitre cut. I also have the smallest makita chop saw which I use for battens and cls stud timber it's very handy on the van. Keep up the good work.
What model milwaukee you got pal?
Thanks for sharing your knowledge of this saw. Very informative and interesting. For such an awesome saw your review made me realize that it's more of an issue of knowing what you want to do and the capacity of the saw. Anything else falls into preference in my humble opinion.
Thanks again, God bless you 👍🏾
Leaving your dietyaside, you comment on use vs features is spot on. Well said.
Love my 10" Milwaukee saw, most accurate saw out of the box I've used.
Only drawback is it's a heavy beast, probably should have bought the 8" version, not often I need to cut anything particularly deep (cabinetmaker)
Never going back to corded saw tho!
I'm a makita guy for all my hand tools and dust extraction but went with the Bosch gcm12 for my go to miter saw and couldn't be happier. Only draw back is its weight but it rolls easy on the gravity rise stand
I have had the single battery 18v compound mitre saw for over 2 years. Other than being a little gutless with a single battery, it is awesome as an everyday saw.
Very comprehensive overview. Thank you.
Oh my word! That squeak every time you move the blade down! How do love with that? It sounds worse than my knees!
When you upload. Genuinely makes me happy
Thanks for the review Scott, very timely - I actually went to go an look at this saw yesterday but the local stores didn't have any in stock. I wish the vendors would come up with a standard for the bluetooth feature so we can mix and match!
FYI: Metabo (in Europe, Hitachi/Hikoki in the East) has a module that detects the vibration from a power tool and the receiver activates the vacuum. The sender module is like a ring that you can mount on the “sucking end” of the hose. Perhaps it’ll solve your issue until the different manufacturers get their sh*t together :)
@@che_ any links - my google foo is letting me down, couldn't find anything
Mate we just got the same one and really excited to get it into action
Currently using the big makita chop saw 305mm. Far too big and heavy so would love something smaller.
Love the videos keep them coming 👍🏻
Thanks for the review Scott.👍👍
Sorry to hear about the lockdown. Keep your head up and the videos coming
no lockdown in Nz......you mean oz ?
My all rounder is my daily saw, a 16 or 17 year old Ryobi 10 inch corded saw, single rail, low fence, piss poor dust extraction, but still surprisingly accurate and powerful. But its taken a back seat recently as the guard no longer retracts when you push the saw down
I fixed this dust extraction issue on a similar makita saw by removing their pipe and using a different Y piece with a less tight bend.
Could you share which Y piece you used. Perhaps a link?
Just used mine today and so far think its great! Love how compact and lightweight it is but the light button is a bit annoying!
Awesome keep up the great videos scott
Always interesting to see y'all in sweaters and hoodies when we're sweating our nads off. Greetings from sunny Georgia, US.
TOO sunny Georgia US.
Hot as hell down here right now.
We’ve been sweating out here in cali too
Same here for us Southern hemisphere dwellers towards you, but consider this - while everyone's singing Christmas songs about a winter wonderland and a white Christmas, our standard is t shirt, shorts and a BBQ. Santa has a fluffy suit in 35 *c! (95 f).
Yep, coastal GA joining in. At least I'm getting some sea breeze...while keeping an eye on that pesky tropical storm building up.
No kidding. Wore a harness for three weeks (12 hour shifts) while working above leaking boilers south of Atlanta. Impossible not to get swamp-ass in those conditions.
I just got the space man, can he hang a door t shirt for my birthday. Love it. Cheers Scott. Peace.
Scott Brown Carpentry, you said:" the dust collection its not OK" , but actually is very good, if you look at the small label(sticked on the machine) I hope you'll see why your dust collection it's not OK.
I just brought the big brother 12" blade corded one. Absolutely love it, but your right about the dust collection. Bunnings have it on promotion with the stand for $1200
That is mine also,the best and most handsome droppy in the world !LOL does take a real man to carry it though !
Hello Scott, if you talk to Makita, tell them we need a 40v power plane. Thank you for the videos!
Ive been waiting so long for this to come to the usa. I hope they come out whith a corded ver
What ypu said about the vacuum button being a good thing because its safer with out the blade spinning.. is also the exact reason there is a light button. To eliminate spinning blades while also adjusting your timber to the line.
great video, greetings from estonia!
A mitersaw/dropsaw is a great tool to have. But honestly I think sometimes it’s not worth the hassle of setting it up only to make one or two cuts, so usually I’ll make the cuts with a circular saw unless I need to make a ton of cuts
Great channel Scott .
Fantastic review very fair and balanced 👏, hate the lads that are completely stuck on one make of tool.
A mention of battery life would have been very useful 👍
Thanks bro very informative video
what we have learned today: scott does not like to reach around to the back.
Any more than he has to...
Ooh err
+ 10 points
Why did they take that feature off. They had it on the 36v and was one of the main reasons for me getting it. That and the big base. I'll be skipping the 40v mitersaw.
@@cmmartti the bevel adjustment was on the rail on the front of the saw
I ended up getting the updated 10in version of this in the US. Has all the features and updated with the shadow line vs the 36v. Considering going to this one though. The 10 in version is over 60lbs and even on a saw stand, its a bit difficult to maneuver around. Seems like they fixed the dust collection issue a bit on the 10 in, as the dust port at the bottom doesnt clog. However, the dust extraction still sucks.
I’ve noticed with my makita tools that have the light switch on them, if you hold that button down for 5-10 seconds, it will turn the light on for continuous use until you disconnect the battery or you hold the switch for another 5-10 seconds for the light to turn off
I have this saw and love it.
The dust extraction is the worse part
And I got use to not using the light. With the 5.0amp battery last ages
Best all round chop saw is the cordless DeWalt 305mm blade. It does everything that a carpenter needs but it’s a pain taking the beast in and out of the van every time.
Great review man. Cheers
Just bought this cause of your video. Makita is sponsoring the right person
12” blade needed to cut 4 by 4s (3.5x3.5), 2x4s on edge, and wide baseboard. Sticking with my basic 12” dewalt corded, considering a power station (~$450 US) if I were to ever need to go “cordless”. Work outside so dust collection is not a big issue. Thanks for the video.
10 inch will cut that! DeWalt dw717. DeWalt make the best drop saws in my opinion for.the price 👍
This is the 8.5" saw. They haven't released the 10" or 12" yet which will have plenty of height to do just that. I have the older 10" LXT 36v and I haven't touched my old 12" dewalt in a couple of years now. Don't get me wrong, nothing but love for that old dewalt but I just haven't found anything the LXT won't do that the dewalt would other than dragging a cord.
The light should have IR switch, detecting a person at the saw
Great review, cheers mate.
Nice short review, thx!
Thanks for adding the Canadian prices!!
Great video Scott, have the same setup and same findings, particularly around dust extraction and how you don't notice it immediately.
One other minor issue is the current lack of 40v dust extractors. It means I'm working on 2x18 and 40v for this and my tracksaw. First world problem and the extractor usually lasts all day but one battery type for all would be great.
Another minor issue is with the Makita mitre saw stand. Not sure if I have a bad unit but the levelling foot has already gone and I find the stop has a lot of give in it, you have to set it with your workpiece rammed into it as hard as possible for consistent results.
Above may seem negative but it's a great setup overall and I won't be going back corded.
What is the cut capacity at 45 degree bevel? can it cut through a 2x4 at 45 bevel?
@@colekidd2 Yes, can do up to 45 on a 2x4 (45mm). Could go through more.
Great video again! Thanks, great work.
I would like to know what are these end caps on the wall sides in the beginning of the video? I haven't seen then yet where I live and it looks amazing.
I have 2 Makita drop saws, one is the same as in the video and I really like both of them.
I don't think there's a perfect drop saw out there but these are great.
Good review, cheers.
What is the cut capacity at 45 degree bevel? can it cut through a 2x4 at 45 bevel?
The perfect saw was the makita ls1012 mate
Still got mine from 15 years ago an absolute weapon and still as accurate as out the box
Don't you have a hook up with 3d printing?
The reason the bottom gets clogged is because it is the secondary suction point. Not only that but it is also trying to lift dust up through a difficult path.
The way to fix it would be to remake the top tool connection piece into a single exit. Fit a Y connector half way between the top and bottom tool connections. The vacuum then plugs in at the Y. Equal airflow and suction at top and bottom. Yes air flow and suction are separate things on a vacuum that need to be balanced.
This makes sense, but I mean.. you shouldn't need access to a 3D printer in order to fix your drop saw's dust extraction, it should just be viable in the first place
@@GeorgeBoltz of course! But no product is perfect from the box for every user. But with today's modern, accessible and cheap paths to customising. Why wouldn't just fix it. Better than replacing it each time they update. You'd go broke.
PS. I know he didn't pay for it and I know he probably won't pay for the update. My comment was more to make the average punter aware you have options to fix small niggles.
I got that saw AND a 3D printer. You you know where I can find the print files? I don't do 3D design.
Love the saw had it since it came out in the uk, yea it is expensive but it’s the best mitre saw out on the market for sure! U did mention the twin mitre not a lot of small battery saws have that
I'd have to agree.this is by far the best dropsaw I've used.A lot of smaller dropsaws only bevel one way also.This goes left or right also.
I have agreat older 240v Hitachi (now Hikoki) 12 inch SCMS. It came with built in digital angle readouts to 1/100 of a degree and has the screw adjustable depth stop, high-ish split fences with flip out sections for when you tilt the saw blade out of vertical. The rail system is adjustable with a knob so either the saw and motor run back & forth on the fixed rails or the saw/motor are fixed to the rails and the rails stick out the back if there is room. But it looks like Hikoki only make (or import to Australia) 10" or smaller battery powered SCMS now.
I'm from NJ USA, . Ive been in the trades for 40 years. I bought the Kapex for $1445.00 ( Ridiculous), returned it and bought the Bosch 10" Axial glide saw, best Mitre saw I've ever owned, accurate, space saving zero clearance behind the saw. also fantastic motor, I highly recommend it.
I using dewalt dhs780t2 for 4 years, for me is the best saw at the moment, 305 mm blade with is allowing me to cut 300 mm deep and 100 mm high, I can use with 2 way of power, with battery or with power adapter, and as well it has two type of power adapter 110v (for UK sites) and 240v.
I love my DeWalt 20V 7.75” compact Miter saw paired with my much larger 120V flex volt 12” miter saw. Got both of them with batteries for under $1,000 USD. I love that I can use my flex volt one with a power adapter and run it corded if need be. I wish DeWalt would make a power adapter for their 20V system
I’d just ordered that saw here in Canada shld be getting it Friday looking forward trying it out etc it also going be my main saw as I also own for other miter chop saws
Hey, Michael, you made me think of something, an issue that pops up to me as a Canadian living in the Netherlands.
The freaking 110V-220V tension difference (and the frequency as well, 50 or 60 Hz, especially important for rotary motors and messing up with any current converter). 220V everywhere is great, unless you have some 110V items (such as my amp and some bigger kitchen tools).
Is it more interesting to get a battery tool in North America as compared to (basically the rest of the world), because of the power difference? Since I might go back to Canada, I'm moving to battery tools (I'm a weekend DIYer only, doing stuff on a 6th floor balcony...Netherlands housing is NOT cheap) and moving to one brand (Makita, sort of by chance) to have only 1 charger to replace. But for the more powerful tools, I'm wondering if the corded versions differences in power makes battery tools more interesting in Canada and the US. That would make me think about moving to battery tools for my remaining corded ones (mitre saw, sander, shop vac, even my current jigsaw) now, or wait until my decision to return is made (and adding that stress in the whole mess) and buy new corded 110V tools.
The thing is, most CZcams videos are from US people (except here of course, and a few British I found). Nobody ever moves between the system to be able to compare. But when you see stories like Americans boiling water in the microwave because it's faster (as compared to 110V electric kettles), it makes you think.
I've got the makita 305mm 40v and i totally agree with the dust extraction however its not the size of the tube that's the problem it's actually the hole where it does a 90deg turn is too small before it enters the tube, mine always blocks up and its always this point where it chokes up, could be fixed with a dremel though...
Great review.
If Makita listen to you the newer model might fix the depth of cut issue, a taller fence that should slide not remove for bevels and sort out that light thing.
Scott, I'm a big Makita fan and have lots of battery-operated tools so I know these batteries are quite expensive so I'm sure folk would want to know how many hours cutting you as a job site user, usually get from one fully charged battery.
I'm just back from ordering the corded (LS1019) from my local Bunnings and without a Bunnings card I had to pay full price up front.
My newy is going on a purpose built table/mitre saw/router workbench. The old Ryobi due to its configuration would take up way too much real estate.
Oh, Thanks for the video. I enjoyed watching it in full.
Let's hope Makita and others listen to feedback of professionals like yourself to find a solution to ideal dust extraction.
If they are smart they do. Makita makes tools for the professional user and they definitely do listen. I just bought their cordless track saw. Great saw but man these cordless tools are getting expensive. Still cheaper then the green ones from Germany though.
You should have a look at the new Festool cordless saw the Kapex KSC60. Great saw and very well thought out!
The big dls111 36v 260mm dust extraction is the same. Anything besides fixout timber, it will block up easy. Especially wet unseasoned timber.
Love the videos big fan, tool prices in New Zealand are very expensive. I live the uk and makita is really good value here. What’s the best all round drop saw I can’t have 4 different ones!!!
Scott, what model Makita Vacuum do you use and can the aws system be used with both lxt and xgt tools provided they have the aws system? Love the channel!!
I don't have this saw but I have the corded similar one. As far as the dust port issue, I removed that big rubber funnel boot on the base and that spring thing on the saw blade guard port. I only have one hose that goes to the blade port. I am getting much better results.
I'm not aware that there is a corded similar one. I'd be all over it. Pray tell....
I found that removing the bottom rubber dust shroud and tube made the vacuum attached perform better.
Same. I even ground the aluminum hole bigger on the side to no avail.
In regard to the dust extraction.... have you tried using a larger diameter and shorter hose between the Vac and Saw? Larger diameter and short hose (with the reducing adapters to Vac and Saw) suppose to increase air speed and air flow.
I have a dewalt flexvolt. the user ability of the saw is the best in the industry IMO.
but I don't think the flexvolt can hold up to every day use I think its more of a specialty saw for special occasions. any way I love makita tools but not there miter saws. great video thanks for your time.
Would you consider the dust extraction better than the DeWalt one? If have the DeWalt dropsaw and Festool vacuum combo but hate the extraction on the dropsaw
Hi Scott, I was running Milwaukee 6955 12" saw a lot this week and my ears hurt. It's over ten years old now so I'm thinking about a new saw. Which is, in your experience the quietest, the Kapex.or the 40 volt Makita? Thanks and keep up the good work.
Great review! Ive got the 54v dewalt drop saw, which is great also, but it too has a button for the light and you can’t reach it from the trigger handle thing. Not a big issue I guess but it is annoying and you end up just not using it..
I'm glad you did this follow up review. I'm strongly considering buying this saw. I'm glad for your "likes" about the saw. And some of your "dislikes" I don't think would bother me at all. The one dislike I'm in board with is the price. But, being a Makita guy I should be used to it by now.
Again, thanks for taking the time.
Happy to help Mark 👍
Great Review!
I’ve got the big 36v saw and the extraction is crap on that too. It’s a heavy sucker but it’s a beast, mows through wet timer easy as and pretty accurate
I’ve got that saw as well. Really do enjoy it now that you’ve mentioned the light button that does annoy me 😂 it should just be attached to the trigger.
Also been testing out the new Bosch BiTurbo 216mm mitre saw as well. Doesn’t have dual bevel like the Makita and loads of other saws. But nice action to use and plenty of power for 18v.
What is the cut capacity at 45 degree bevel? can it cut through a 2x4 at 45 bevel?
I had a 260mm 36v heavy and after a few months was cutting out of square on the bevel by over 2mm. I heard other people had the same issue. Sold it. Thinking about getting the 260mm 40v or 216mm 40v 🤔
Scott, in your opinion is the Makita 40v worth the additional cost over the Milwaukee M18 if I'm already invested in M18 batteries? I need a solid miter saw for baseboard and molding work.
Great review Scott. I will be getting my first Makita 40v Drop Mitre.. as a result of this balanced review.
The dust capture I will fix on mine by replacing ALL the black ring-join hoses with smooth bore poly braided clear tubing (does not kink/elongate & stays full bore even in short radius)..the issue is CV losses in the factory hoses. Also I will replace the filter with a high flow without HEPA for outdoor at least 40um. This should dramatically improve air flow (Max out SCFM but no change in vac suction). The clear tube lets me see any deposits & blockages.
What is the cut capacity at 45 degree bevel? can it cut through a 2x4 at 45 bevel?
Was the blade square out of the box? And how long does the included battery last? Great video!