Where did 'Ghost Ship' come from and how did it end up Lorain's Black River? Who pays for removal?
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- čas přidán 19. 04. 2015
- It sits there rusty, quiet and full of stories to be sure, if it could speak.
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Get rid of the politician leave the ship alone . He’s the one that’s become the nuisance
So this politician doesn’t like the way it looks, so that makes it a safety hazard? Smh 🤦♂️
Looks like a nice historic rivetted hull worth saving even if it's no longer seaworthy.
Put up....
I passed by it before on my boat.. its really rusted and its huge. in person, its pretty big. the fact that there are dead trees everywhere around it makes it extra creepy. its actually pretty cool in that area, because along that river is a really old train bridge and 2 really old bridges, one that opens when there is a sailboat and one that is a really tall one that shifts in the wind. the boat is somewhere between the tall bridge and the opening bridge.
That politician is probobly looking to sell the land under the table, and doesn't want it to be declared a historical monument. I can see the dedication placard now "On this site, back in the annals of history, something happened."
Exactly
How expensive would it be for the County, State, and the Feds; to tow the ship to a scrap yard? We pay for useless crap with taxes all the time, why are officials balking. Seems like the Coast Guard has the means to haul it out. Politicians are absolutely worthless.
What they need to do is hire an engineering firm to do a study and determine the best (cheapest) method for removal. The study will only cost $28k- $85k after kickbacks.
Because that money isnt going into their pockets like all the other stuff they waste money on.
There's one in Kentucky that I think is even bigger that was used as a backdrop in a Madonna music video once, and served in both world wars. Now it's sitting in a tributary creek of the Ohio River, almost forgotten.
You been on it?
I saw the CZcams video on that one. Very interesting vessel. A guy bought it, intending to convert it into a yacht and never got around to it. Its literally sitting in a creek, rusting away.
Typical news media says its a "safety" hazard. But the man specifically called it "unsightly."
He keeps saying I and me. That’s his opinion.
whatever man. The word "I" was never used, and the word "me" was only used once at the 1:06 to 1:07 mark. My point is that, based on the limited information presented here, the reporter is trying to make this a safety issue, while the USCG says its not an environmental threat, and, furthermore, Novak refers to it as "unsightly." All of these are basically opinions and is case in point why I quit with the mainstream media years ago, this being an exception, because mainstream news seems to be all about their opinions, versus presenting the facts, and letting me form my own opinion
What if it floats out into the channel and sinks? It is a safety hazard.
The 'Upper Canada' (renamed as such in 1965) once served as a ferry between Kingston and Wolfe Island on eastern Lake Ontario back in the 1970's. We don't know where it went after it was retired. It is a surprise to see it on this news feature! She ferried vehicles teamed up with the 'Wolfe Islander' which was scuttled off the Kingston shores. This is very interesting!
I live in Kingston, and rode on her many a time before her retirement.
+Railrodder The 'Wolfe Islander II' and the 'Upper Canada' were replaced by the new, larger Wolfe Islander III in 1976.
That went real quick from “Adrift off the shore in Lake Erie “ to “Ran aground in a river two years ago”! And “At first it looks like any Great Lakes vessel” Would that be a Lake freighter? A sailboat? A sightseeing boat? Or a yacht? The media really thinks that we are idiots. Or maybe they are.
How would this imply that we are idiots?
Shabazz One, a river that feeds into Lake Erie is not “Off the shore of Lake Erie” . Two, there are many different types of vessels on the Great Lakes and they all look different from each other. Three, Adrift and aground are two totally different situations a vessel can be in. Four, A ghost ship is one that is a complete mystery, nobody knows who owns it, or where it came from. Therefore it’s clear that they overhyped the story by saying that there was a ghost ship adrift off the shore, and if you bought that you are an idiot.
@@boataxe4605 Again I ask you how does that make us stupid?
Also if you were searching for things to complain about you’d get that he was saying at first it just looks like a normal boat just sitting there as people are used to seeing and then you get closer and see that it’s abandoned.
Shabazz Gee you’re dumb.
@@boataxe4605 How am I dumb? Your statement doesn’t make sense. They said some stuff wrong so they must think we’re dumb? That literally makes no sense.
I've seen it kayaking before, I always loved seeing it.
it used to dock in leamington Ontario Canada and ferry to pelee island . I used to dive off it when docked in the 1970s and early 80s
Good to know.
I've managed to climb on it and explore it... it's pretty creepy
It is still there?
Any paperwork on it to identify the port it left? I remember my grandma tellin me about it a few days after it was discovered
Would be interesting to hear what finally happened to it. Shouldn't be that hard to declare it abandoned and put it up for auction by the river authority. Or for that matter just vote and donate it to a scrap yard.
The problem is that the city doesn't have a legal claim to it because it is technically under the jurisdiction of the state being on the water
@@andrewsunderman259 they can file for an abandoned title by now and they will win
I’ve ridden this boat many times when it was in ferry service for Christian Island, Ontario in the late 90’s. Somewhere around 2000 it was replaced by a larger ferry.
it looks like a boat that used to sit in the docks in Port Burwell ontario
They changed unsightly to unsafe, just saying. Side note can i have it and make a house boat??
It's a derelict, and nothing more. Kovack must have some developer's floating around looking for cheap property to put some modern condominiums up and sell to the local new mega-bucks clan in the area. It's been awash in these waters for years, not troubling a soul, and actually part of the history of commerce in the community. Guess Kovack would know something about both those things as he's been doing nothing about this nuisance for years, and hasn't earned his keep either. If there's no owner's listed, she's a salvage and worth quite a bit in scrap to some unemployed folk. Lord knows theirs enough of those these days.
Well,they'd have to have the equipment & you know that the local government won't let them just start cutting it up without a few certificates of Mother-May-I?
@@doughesson has little to do with Port Authority or Local Government since waterways fall under public domain and is all about salvage rights when there is no claimant on record. Port Authority could charge the last owner's with the cleanup bill if the courts back them up. A vessel without lien or title can be hauled off and pumped out and cut up for salvage without any ones blessings under the code. If I throw a line on your boat and haul you back to the pier, it is under salvage rights. Its nice and dicey.
@@murraykriner9425 Wanna bet that the mayor's office won't stick their noses into someone just walking out with cutting torches to turn abandoned steel into money?
Somebody in the government will say that they have to regulate the activity for the tax dollars.
@@murraykriner9425 Oooooh. I like the way you think.
@@aspiceronni4462 its not the way I see it as how the system is wired up, and people like Hesson who believe they have their finger on the pulse of local government while still being ignorant of Maritime law and Salvage Rights. Surprised that Kovak even managed comment, and didn't shake the local shrubs real hard to find a salvage crew to yank her out of the drink before a soul caught wind of it. As with any undeveloped area, the Port Authority nearby would benefit from making this area some posh Urban Development Sceme while getting the Mayor to re-zone this area for Commercial Purposes. Then it would be permissible to skim funds from whatever precinct the community saw fit to Rob of County, State, or Federal monies that they could illicit funds from. Its a Shell Game for Community Leader's to pretend to bring commerce to this area while lining their pockets with tax payer dollars. Been in many Riverfront area's where cities cite public domain statutes, Annexing properties for Urban Development while ipso facto becoming Board Members to dispense savored funds to family and friends with business interests in these constructive efforts. This all over a Historical Derelict left to rot in a seedy canal, while claiming public safety concerns prompted their combined civic efforts. Right?!
2022 and it’s still here
Owned by Lake Towing of Cleveland, Ohio and laid up in Lorain, Ohio. Photo November 12, 2008. No IMO number found.
Charge Lake Towing
Odd that later as things become more computerized the info bec omes more skeychy.
Tow it to deep water and blow the bottom out.
I want to fix it up and have a houseboat. Live on the lake.
It still floats! Why not?
I took a good few pictures of it today because it tends to disappear then show back up months later which is weird, but it’s not hurting anyone where it’s at.
Seems to fit perfectly with its' surroundings.
It adds character to the neighborhood.
It's the Flying Canadian
If your giving it away I'll take it.
That steel is pre-atomic age. It's worth big bucks.
Only ships that were sunk prior to the first atomic tests had that extra value which pretty much ceased around 15 yrs ago. Because the steel industry developed the methods for making radiation free steels from raw ore for the scientific applications. While it’s more expensive than common steels it’s far cheaper than salvaging old ship wrecks for such materials
@@matthewwilliams2709 I stand corrected. Thank you for that info.
That's where I parked my boat.
Nice!👍
I would love to have that boat 🛥
Do you have the money, the time, and the energy to restore it?
@@dwlopez57 I have the energy and time looking into cost to move it ?
@@charlesmanning5819 in western Washington we have a lot of abandoned boats and ships. Many people underestimate the time, cost, and effort needed to restore some of them
Lots of people have dreams that are bigger than reality. If you try something like this then I wish you luck.
They are looking to develop the area and the vessel is in the way. How is the hull? If it is good, would be pretty easy to tow to a scrap yard. If it is rotten you will need to bring the scrappers to it, much more costly job and environmental issues.
would have been cool to put it into dry dock and turn it into a yacht
Looks secured to shore.
Did the county try to get a scrap yard interested in hauling it off? That many tons of scrap iron has got to be worth something. People here in Louisiana make a side business out of hauling old appliances and lawnmowers to sell to metal recyclers.
Tow it out into the lake and scuttle it take the coast guard one or two days work time and we’re already paying them regardless of what they’re doing
I can only imagine the horrible crime that happened aboard the ship to cause it to become abandoned
Looks like history
It would make a good restaurant
Leave the ship alone or fix it
Has it been moved??
I’ve always wondered about that ship
paint sandblasting and paint is pretty cheap.....restore the boat will be a good investment and attraction
Cheap? Ha! Not if you follow environmental tegulations!!!!
I can't believe that the Coast guard says there is no environmental threat, she has fuel tanks that can rust thru as well as oil in her engines.
Well the ship was retired correct? So it's possible she could of already been drained of fuel and oils. She was probably getting ready to be scrapped when something happened to her and she went adrift. You would have to think that somebody had checked the ship out if they've confirmed there being no environmental threat from her. So if she was being driven at the time of being beached, then surely she'd have fuel and oil to leak, right?
Honestly I'd leave the ship there. Old ships like this creates quite the landmark and interest. I live near a beached ship called the Kyle stuck in Harbour Grace bay, the ship was disliked by the town at first but over the years has become a local icon of the town, it's to the point now that people are actually sad to see the ship has started to fall apart. Back in the early 2000's I think I town even cared enough that they gave the Kyle a paint job.
Who's to say this ship can't do the same? It's already been there 4 years right, why haul it off now? Let it stay and become a local icon to the town.
Justin Lynch There may not be any fuel or oil left, but look into what the Coast guard and EPA want done to a boat before it is scuttled to become an artificial reef, it has to be stripped of everything including lead based paint/primer.
Yea but I was saying why not leave it where it is, as a tourist attraction type deal. I wasn't talking about making it a reef.
Your all stupid
john smith no u
Use it for Halloween 🎃
it is loaded with gold coins , i put them there for safe keeping
Take it too the Philippines or Indonesia they need ferries
The Phillipines are chock full of fairies already
Spend tax dollars because looking bad is a safety risk.