Mora Basic 511 VS The Ultimate knife | Is the Mora basic the proper tool for the job?
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- čas přidán 17. 06. 2024
- Is the mora basic 511 the proper tool for the job?
Today we test the mora basic to find out if it can withstand hard use and battoning . We also address why using the proper knife for the proper job is important. Lightweight knives are not meant for hard use. Except when they are designed as such.
Testing the Mora basic
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Hi, Im Alex, im a knife maker and CZcamsr, based out of southern Pennsylvania and my youtube channel is Outdoors55. This channel started as an outdoor backpacking channel, but quickly grew into a knife/ knife making channel. Everything I do on my channel is family friendly. I primarily focus on knife / knife making videos but occasionally throw in something different. Thank you for watching!😀
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Glad too see you hit the maro on the pinch point. Your incompetence proves the knife is well worth the money.
Here in Sweden every carpenter use that knife. We don't use them very much for cutting in wood. Mostly to push wood into place like fasad boards or wooden deck boards. We bang on them with hammers all the time and break maybe 1-3 blades/year.
What happened in this video was very surprising.
I'll stick to my solar powered plasma cutter
in your backpack?????
@@nikolajc7617 they are more compact now days
@@jasongullickson8858 not like an axe.
@@nikolajc7617 Yes true but in Australia the sharpening equipment you need just to swing an axe fills a large shed
sorry don't message whilst having a few
In Sweden these knives are considered disposables pretty much. You buy them for less than five bucks, use them until they get dull and buy a new one. Kinda funny how they seem to be held to a much higher standard abroad.
Can you stop breaking cheap knives and get to mass production on your ultralight knife already???🤣.... dude....CAN'T WAIT!!!!
I would honestly love to see this! I would definitely buy one. My current knife is the Bark River ULB
@@Rowdy216 That's a fantastic knife you have.
Make a folder knife from the Mora blade you broken shud be nice one:)))
Thats a great idea
the mora delusion continues
I usually use a log splitter when backpacking to split wood.
I bet you can connect the hydraulics to those of your 4-track =D ;p
@@lukearts2954 i just bring a few solar panels
@@Jordan.Buckley sure, but I was trying to save you the second hydraulics compressor... hahaha
btw, chicken or egg scenario if you have to cut away trees for your solar panels to work to provide the power to cut away the trees...
staying home works great for me, no biting insects, no sores
@@mikepettengill2706 you don't have to bite the insects when you go camping.
I've been loving this project. Can't wait to see the final knives
Never stop test what you want I'll be here to enjoy. Thanks for the videos. Can't wait for the run of your knifes.
Congrats on 100k! You deserve it man
That's why they named it "basic". Very good knife when used as intended. Good video keep it up :)
I'm with you 100% can't wait to see the final product. Thank you for the videos
That was sad😢. Great video though😁. Some really beautiful panning shots. I love all the comments about trying the stronger Moras. I foresee another video. Good content for a small price. Keep-um coming Alex👍🏼.
Awesome vid! I think you have the right idea! Keep at it brother!
The 511 is made for people who do actual work and not for playing bushcraft on CZcams. However, I abused a 511 once to process huge amounts of fatwood, with lots of twisted roots and knots and it held up incredibly well
Be interesting to see a Mora Companion heavy duty carbon version in that same situation.
can you test the mora robust?
Or companion HD
Ditto this, I'm a newbie knife owner who bought a robust and with battoning in mind..
@@jamessherburn if you want to baton, Mora robust, or Companion HD are the knives for you
@@varvar5379 Thanks. Now I have the short Mil-Tec hatchet, about 500g, (Fiskars X5 copy), too. Sorted!
@@jamessherburn Exelent. I will take soon Downrange Tomahawk by Gerber : )
The basic is designed for....well... basic work. Thats why you get the mora robust. Its a little more... dare i say... robust then the basic.
And great video. Im excited to see your final piece.
How dare you.
I think you should keep do what you’re doing. Make a light weight knife that does what you want it to do.
I have a certain kind of love for the mora, but your results are about what I would have expected. Good video.
Wow! That didn't take too long lol...point made. Keep the videos coming. Looking forward to seeing the end result of your light weight “ Grail Knife” . Cheers Mike.
Congrats on 100k!
Okay you have a good sense of comedic timing and great editing skills.
My Mora Companion still has a place in my pack.
I can’t afford a lighter fixed blade knife that’s just as/more capable...
That being said, great video!!!
The Companion has a significantly longer tang that won't just pop out of the handle so easily:. Google "Mora Companion tang" and check out the images. I own significantly more expensive full-tang fixed blades and I regularly use the Companion for things like firemaking - it splits small logs (up to its blade length in diameter, basically) just fine.
Maybe I'll have to get an Alex Knife someday! 👍 My cheap Mora worked very good for three years and it did take a good beating. The only fail was when I lost it last summer backpacking. 😢 Thanks for the video! Now I'm not sure how much that I could really trust it except for the lighter work jobs.
I just bought a mora. I won’t be beating on it. Thanks for the information.
Heyyy congrats to 100 000 subscribers!
Try the same tests with a Hultafors Craftsman's knife HVK. I have beaten the crap out of one for over two years. It has split many oak logs with knots in them, it is surprisingly durable.
Great video! I was surprised how quick the Mora broke.
so happy i found this channel!
I have a Mora Companion HD that I feel pretty comfortable batoning stuff up to 2" in diameter with, but only because of the blade thickness. I would never baton anything bigger than 1" with a 511 or a standard companion, but that's just me. Awesome video though, I love seeing larpy myths debunked.
I have a mora robust, I'm very new to mora knives, but I saw a video, of a guy trying to break the robust, and it wouldn't break, he was trying to break the tip and all sorts of things,
About time you got back to making this series of videos
Ok I made a question in other video about this knife breaking while battoning. I belive that the solution is not grabbing the hand grip tight and strongly once it gets into the log, but to hold it loosely so we let the steel resolves the vibrations or the tress that it stands while hitting the blade batoning... What do you think ?
Another nice vid. Waiting for the 3V vid.
Congrats on 100k
do the same tests on some tougher moras I would love to see how strong they are!
Good video. Now I have a better idea of the limits of my Mora Basic
Yo Alex, my brother.. my friend.. my GOOD friend... I thunk this was a knife makin, NOT a knife breakin channel????? 🤓 btw, congrats on 100,000+ subs!!!! 👏👍👍 ☆Jay☆
If this is the only thing not to do with a Mora, I’m sold. Getting a couple today!
Great vids Alex! I've not been able to watch in a while, I'm glad to find you still doing good things!
P.s., I'd still buy that knife lol! You know the one lol!
Anyone who bashes the mora for breaking while batoning is just upset that you can buy a quality knife for 10 dollars. I own several expensive bucks and benchmades and spydercos and i hate to use them hard. Not that they couldnt take it but theyre over 100 dollars each. I wouldnt take a baton to a benjamin and i dont really wanna take one to my expensive knives either. For what the mora is made for (light bushcraft, camp work, slicing things) it is an excellent knife. Specifically because its cheap and you dont need to worry about rolling a blade or damaging it. People dont love moras because theyre better than your 200 dollar s30v knife, they love them because they excel at what theyre meant to do, theyre easy as hell to sharpen, theyre cheap and eliminate the worry of damaging an expensive blade, and theyre wonderful to use. In fact i use my mora in the woods alot more than i do my expensive knives for that exact reason
Funniest vid i have seen so far Alex!!!
I was surprised that the mora was not a full tang.
People that scream about “using the proper tool” probably don’t actually get outside very often. In my experience, using any tool that satisfactorily gets the job done is using “the proper tool”
Using common sense is the key, and having a good time is the goal. If we were really “using the right tool” we’d all be carrying around froes, adzes, axes, hewing hatchets, sloyd knives, hand drills, etc. It would get ridiculous.
Its only a saying that works when you have the proper tool at hands reach, in my school workshop a lot of people broke rasps because they arent hammers.
Use the proper tool .
Good information, nice to see. To be fair my little hatchet weights a whole 2lb and is great at driving pegs, pulling them back out, and of course you can always split wood with it. I have never tried to cross cut with a knife. Do you ever find you need to or was that just to test the knife.
Pretty cool man👍
Love your lightweight knife its something ive been after for a while. You got to put it out there for sale.
I really didn't expect the Mora to snap like that. I spent a week in the boundary waters with mine and batoned a lot of wood. Thinking back, it was mostly dead standing or fallen pines , but hey, at least it survived that. While I have retired the mora for a Benchmade, I always held the Mora in the "indestructible" category. Nowadays it's in my fishing pack and isn't used for much more than cutting bait and line, but hey, good to know I got lucky!
to the whiners complaining about expensive knives vrs mora basic stuff. Just get a Mora bushcraft knife if you want to baton. personally I think batoning is stupid, but not for the same reasons. trees actually grow thinner stuff...And fire does burn thick stuff too. So just get the right resources...might actually make a video on that myself.
I've had a companion for ten years, snapped the tip off at some point, but I've used it for battoning every campfire or BBQ we've had in that time, decent knife. Was considering buying a few mora basics to build new handles but there's obviously a reason they're so so cheap.
I’m hoping to see “the ultimate “ with carbon fiber scales. But really I’m just enjoying your videos keep em coming
Dude, you're awesome.
Very thoughtful
congrats for 100k.
Congrats on breaking the 100K ceiling! Next stop: a quarter million! 😲
Got a few cheap moras in my kitchen... It's the best damn steak knife you'll ever find!
I've thought about using my Mora Companion for that, lol. I don't like serrated steak knives, I usually use my Victorionox 4" utility knife, couple swipes on the ceramic rod and it slices through a NY strip like butter.
I just got the Kansbol which has a thin blade. Should be a good steak knife.
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Scandi sharpens perfectly on a sandpaper attached to a sanding block with the rubber underneath the sandpaper. Works nicer than the waterstones. And way more convenient/easy/fast than any other method ( you do it on front of your tele if you want).
It's the sanding block type where you fixate the sandpaper with the metal clips at the ends.
Don't know the right words, English is not my native language.
Great video
I carry a knife everyday. Different knives. I’ve watched probably 100+ knife videos. This is the first time someone has mentioned farming as a job needing a knife. Thank you. No more “ I use this knife for cutting cardboard boxes and opening mailings from Amazon”. Farming needs serious knives everyday.
It's a light duty knife, and brilliant in that role.
Love the content 💪. Mora basic costs 4 dollar where I live . We use it for everything you don't want to damage your nice knife on 😉
On the one hand I agree with your results. On the other hand there is also yet another way, whittling a wooden wedge and beginning it after starting the split with just gentle batonning of the knife. Felix Immler made a vid of this using a 91mm Swiss Army knife. But in all fairness we'll never know if it took one knife or 3 broken ones.
Felix Immler is a wizard compared to many people regarding bushcraft inventiveness.
I agree with the axe, knife, and saw points 100% I even find myself using a knife more even if I have a hatchet on hand.
That was *GREAT*! :))
And this gave me an idea for a video request: How important is blade width (not thickness)? I know it'll improve stiffness, but the vertical stiffness (which is basically all you need for batonning) is only influenced by so much. So how narrow can you make a blade while still keeping it batonnable? (we're creating some monstrous new words here, hahaha) And how does a more narrow blade impact the other uses and comfort (not talking about the psychological aspect, because yea, beefy looks cooler, but we're aiming for functionality here, right?)
I like to bring my entire wood shop in the back of my Ford f550 lariat super duty that a custom built for carrying it. Makes for a great lightweight backpacking companion
Ok, the Mora Basic is quite... eh... Basic, basically.
Luckily they came up with the Garberg. Which is also rather light for a full tang knife. Try to break one of those! Haha!
The electronic saw scene made me nearly spill my cereals! Haha! Well done sir!
full tang Moras are good ... Garberg is amazing ... Love your videos man
Good point.
Absolutely the most common use for mora I've had and seen is opening the plastic bag of sausages for bonfire at summer cabin or bonfire place and maybe some cooking cutting in the same places. The second could be making fire sticks. Maybe in the boat toolbox or something.
I use a Mora to process my rabbits and cut open feed bags. It's a good cheap knife for light duty tasks. I was very impressed with the abuse the knife you made withstood.
Hey Alex!
Reciprocating saw lol. Nice.
How is the new shop coming along?
Seems good to throw in my tackle box.
Do you have a website or etsy store where your knives may be purchased?
@Outdoors55 i wanted to ask you something, because you're a really good freehand sharpener - i remember reading one time, that even a 90-degree right-angle edge can cut you if it's sufficiently honed. i'm not sure what to think about that statement and unfortunately can't remember where i encountered it - but i'd be very interested to see if it's true.
Great video. Really liked this one it really showed your talents as a video maker an creator. Bravo very well done. I'd subscribe again if I could.
What mora is that?? I have never seem them break when getting hammered on building site..
I baton my Seal Pup Elite all the time, and it takes the abuse like a good little knife should. I realize it is full tang compared to the mora basic, but it does also sport a nylon handle, so I would say it is comparable.
You have the skills and knowledge to make the tool to fit your needs. Everyone saying "stick to the Mora Basic" are just that...basic.
I've never seen what's under a Mora handle. It looks like the tang broke, but how much of it? Or did only the handle break?
Just got my mora basic so i've been bingeing these videos. The basic tang goes to about where it broke with just one set screw from what i've seen in other videos. All the other mora knives above basic have a rat tail tang that goes almost all the way down the handle and dont have the same problem of this knife where it breaks right at the end.
This basic is meant for more utility purposes, I think you can probally take it camping with a hatchet and be fine though.
Can you do the cold steel finnwolf
Test both the TD004 and the TD005, I think they might work as well as the knives you made for batoning
If you intentionally break it yes. But for light batoning 511 can do just fine. I prefer machete batoning. I wouldnt do crazy things on my mora. I will still still subscribe to you though.
I knew it, that knife broke instantly. Well, it is mora basic. It's supposed to be use for basic work. By the way great video, I enjoyed it.
I do not want to use an expensive knife in batoning. That is the idea of using a cheap one. Morakniv is a nice alternative. Good quality in a reasonable price.
Personally when I'm in the mountains on my four wheeler I have a fixed blade knife that is full tang and I keep it as sharp as humanly possible and I always have another larger fixed blade knife or my hatchet and/or a small folding saw.
Did the steel break or just the handle
At the same time I need to ask. What would be the selling price of "The Ultimate knife"? You tend to get what you pay fore I would be interested in seeing the stronger knife go up against something that would be considered similar.
i was about to buy one to lol
My basic did see a bit of wood (hard and soft), leather, cardboard, chocolate, nuts, plastic bags, sowing yarn and dried meat.
Though I only went as far as helping it with my thumb on hard wood, not beating it with a cudgel.
With the work that I put into little modifications like a hand ground spine, leather strop on the sheath and a tiny oily leather cloth that I throw in the sheath, I became too attached to it, to abuse it.
Can you try that with a companion HD or a mora robust
Great knife for what its made for, but if you really want something tough go with the Companion HD, Robust, or Garbeg.
Have you tried the Frosts knives, nowadays a brand owned by Mora, marketed to the professional food industry. I haven't worked as a butcher in a long while, and I havent used any of them since they were an independent company (and also made carry knifes), but they used to be better than Mora (of Sweden, as the Mora company used to be called back then).
At least before Frosts was bought by Mora, the Frost knifes had a much better construction than Mora knifes. Much more durable tang and blade (impossible to break, but could be bent, but I don't think batoning into wood provide enough force to do so, as bone, tooths and marrow is much harder than most woods). They were also lighter, much easier to sharpen/regrind or sharpen/polish (to make a dull knife sharper, usually you dont need to remove steel from the edge, if the knife is of the right softness/hardness, just polish it to straighten the bent edge (not chipped edge, as with the too hard steels that are currently popular)), and with an edge that doesn't chip and is soft enough to be easy to sharpen against most rocks, or your cast iron skillet, but hard enough to not get dull unless you cut into metal or quarts (sand and gravel), no special tools needed for sharpening.
Try Frosts deboning or butcher knifes. They have the same shape as a classic Scandinavian carry knife (kike the popular Mora brand knifes), but are a bit longer than what those usual are. They don't come with the classic Scandinavian carry knife grinding (as the Mora brand has), but that's easy to do yourself (since a two planes edge is more durable than a one plane edge, when I worked as a butcher, I usually grinded the part, of the blade, nearest the handle into this shape, to be able to cut through bone and marrow, without having to regrind the blade more than about once a month (but polished several times a day), after tens if thousands of cuts through bones).
That Mora sure did break sooner than I expected. But I don't like the new handles anyway. I like the old ones with solid plastic handles. Still they are lightweight knives for food prep and light tasks. A one stick fire is possible but batoning logs or going cross grain is not recommended.
I totally get you want to design this one tool lightweight option for hikers.
How much more weight would it be if you tapered the tang instead of the cutouts (skeletonization). The tapered tang will be a lot stronger! The skeletonized handle is often as strong as one side of the handle. It's like stacking up bricks. You break the first and the rest (or at least some) will break to.
Maybe do a combination of small cutouts (drilling holes) and tapering?
I carry and use 4 different knives at 4 different times. General use = Heretic Manticore X. Opens with a solid pop, cuts everything you need it to within reason. Ive shaved a few branches with it as well. I wouldnt baton with it since its a OTF, but its one of the strongest OTFs on the market. Its a solid defensive knife if needed. Work knife box opener= Microtech UTX-70. It fits very comfortably into my shirt breast pocket. Very light, dont even know its there. Pops open every time, cuts open any box I need it to and have shaved many items with it. Multi-tool = Leatherman Wave. nuf said. Outdoor Knife = Camillus Pilot Survival.
I love the Mora but lets face it, you cant beat on it!
They had this new thing called a hatchet, much lighter than an axe. I've seen two high dollar knives break when battoning. Using my knife in a way that might break it seems silly, I'll carry a small hatchet.
Exactly 😂
Just start selling it already Alex :D also, still got dibs on the file knife.
"Just use the Mora basic, stop wasting your time."
- How is THIS a waste of time? Dude's got a passion right there! I don't even really know how I ended up at this channel, but I definetely always wanted sharper knifes and I got myself a sharpening stone and now actually do have knifes that I are pulling the hair off of my arms. Propably not AS sharp as if this guy right here did them, but still - they can shave! And I had ZERO sharpening experience and just gave it a try and it took less than 10 minutes for the first knife.
He's trying stuff to find out more about what is actually good and how good. He claims it's not super scientific, but actually this is what science is all about.
I myself am splitting wood by hand with an axe and going to try flattening the edge as I've seen it here. I love how this guy spends time crafting stuff and trying around with materials and "designs", while so many people sit in front of their monitors and tell him he'd just be wasting time. - If people would always be like: "We have working stuff, so why bother trying to improve it or find out more in general?" we'd still be living in caves...
Whilst I am a huge fan of MORAKNIV of which I have a few... They are mass produced to accommodate the low budget end of the scale. They are good knives, but I think the point of your video is to demonstrate that you should not expect too much from a budget knife if you intend to give it real abuse in the field and I agree with you very much on this point. Mora are comfortable, practical and capable knives to the limits that they were designed for. If you really want to beat on a MORAKNIV though, you should look to purchase the top end of the scale such as a GARBERG which is full tang, very capable and have a lifetime guarantee... which usually doesn't come with a knife unless the manufacturer has some real faith in it. Keep the video's coming they are always interesting, sometimes informative such as this one and always entertaining :-)
A hatchet is good for splitting wood while bushcrafting. Its lighter than an axe too. Kind of what its ment for...also wouldnt baton with a rat tail knife. Full tangs are more designated for that along with a hatchet.