Hi everyone, just wanted to point out there is a couple of audio issue in this video where I had to rerecord sections I have done my best but you can hear the difference, also at one point I mispronounce a name I though I had fixed all of them it was only as I gave it a final listen I realised my mistake I hope this doesn't detract from the video to much for you.
Don't worry about minor mistakes we all make them and those pedants who love to pounce on such minor errors only show their pettiness by doing so. Another fascinating well researched and presented video and thank you.
Thank you for this very interesting account and for your efforts to compile it. Much appreciated and, for the record, nothing was spoiled for me. Nobody’s perfect, and I agree that if people are going to listen with the intention of picking fault, then they should find something better to do with their time !
What a peculiar case! She does appear to have loved him before the wedding. After the wedding she couldn't get away from him fast enough before she went on to poison him. It is possible that she endured marital r@pe, and felt this was the only way out. If she was religious a separation or divorce might not have seemed an option and divorces were very difficult to obtain and huge stigma was attached. Without knowing how mentally delayed she was we cannot be sure she understood what marriage normally entails.
Very likely. My elderly great aunt, married in the early 20th century, had no idea what marriage entailed. Her husband had to sit her down and explain all on their marriage night. She did not believe what he was telling her. Luckily he was one of the good ones and was prepared to wait until she could take it on board. Many others were not so lucky, I am sure.
Divorce was not acceptable in society. It would not have been her "religion". A simple understanding of history would elucidate that issue. I think you are reading far too much into it all.
It sounds like she may have been unprepared for what marriage entailed at night, and horrified or disgusted by the experience, with no way to say so at a time when you couldn't mention such a thing. Since no one else seems to have raised that possibility, it highlights how unmentionable it must have been. It certainly would not have been the first or last time that a young woman came too ignorant and unprepared to her wedding night..She is described as uneducated and somewhat dumb.... Whether or not she really was dumb or just not able to explain herself, she may have liked her husband well enough before marriage, but have been shocked by the reality of it. A sad story all around.
I too thought of this. Having quickly removed herself for 10 days to visit her aunt, almost immediately after the wedding. Being a country girl, she was probably aware of the physical side of marriage but it might have terrified her.
Yes it would seem so and to make matters worse he was probably wanting it every night and rather aggressively so. She mentions that she had no affection for him which translates as...she was not attracted to him and would have found the act doubly repulsive and the thought of having to endure it for the rest of her life would have been literally unbearable.
It's more likely that she was a lover of one of the men she worked for as a "servant" for, and wished to be married to one of them, the "holiday" being her returning to one of them. Upon bring rejected, she returned, thinking the death of her current husband would make her more available for marrage.
Fría,enigmática y serena.Nunca lloró,ni se angustió ni mostró pena por los deudos.Retardo la llegada del médico todo lo que pudo,no envió por la familia a pesar de que el enfermo la reclamaba y desapareció de la casa por horas, dejándolo solo mientras agonizaba.Vaya niña! Me hizo acordar a la chica que mató a dos personas porque era lunes y ella odiaba los lunes.Los adolescentes suelen tener esta ausencia de empatía.Gracias por el vídeo.Ha sido un gran trabajo.
I have another theory: she said that she had no affection for him. It might be possible that the sexual relations between them were unbearable for her. It might be possible too that she was a lesbian.
A sorry tale an a mystery too. Well researched, delivered and edited. We might complain about our lives today but little more than a century past the were infinitely more unpleasant. I am glad to be alive now rather than then.
I think if she intended to be hung to end her life she would not have ‘quietly’ tried to end her husbands life but do it very publicly so to be sure of conviction! I wonder if the acts within marriage scared her, or the feeling of suddenly being tied to someone for life being too overwhelming. She was obviously suffering depression and was probably a confused young lady. 😢
Here in the US, there are any number of incidents where a person provokes law enforcement professionals to shoot them, such as when repeatedly commanded, refusing to drop their weapon or even running at LEPs with weapon in hand. This is known rather gruesomely as "suicide by cop." If Catherine was of a mind to pass away and not by her own hand, I do not discount your theory at the end of this video about her contriving a similar scenario. Also, I have to wonder if her husband treated her in a brutish manner -- I won't use the word that might better describes this -- in the marital bed, and that is why she left for ten days shortly after the wedding. Perhaps she was physically injured during her introduction to conjugal relations and needed time to escape and to heal.
@@eadweard. I am not so sure that he did and apologize if I gave that impression. I am wondering why you are so sure. Maybe he was perfectly okay in his behavior and Catherine simply did not find "marital relations" enjoyable, hence her retreat from him for ten days. Plenty of women are guilty of misandry and misogyny for that matter.
When you said about the maids "being seen but not heard", it brought back memories of my mum saying to me "children should be seen, but not heard". Certainly makes me feel my age.
Sounded more like some form of mental disturbance whe she wrote love letters to him years before they was married and a week after that he was dead. She also told several times it was better that she died from this sad life.
Fascinating mystery here. Thank you so much. "Suicide by Court", eh? The thought crossed my mind also. One could wish, if suicide were her only goal that she would have taken the arsenic herself and spared everyone else. Perhaps killing John stemmed from an overactive religious imagination, in which she fashioned a vision combining her earthly joy of marriage with her more longstanding hope of an early entrance to eternity. The facts that she consulted three clerics in her last stage of life, and that she sent the Bible back to John's mother, rather than any personal item such as garments or work tools, gave me this idea. If this is true-- a kind of personal religious insanity -- it is too bad that people who knew her before marriage, especially John, could not anticipate the extent of a faith which might have seemed to them a good one. It would be interesting to find evidence of her earlier religious life, even just attendance at worship or readings of scripture on her own. Did she choose a faith-based baptism at any point, as some evangelicals do? Alas, such information is unlikely to exist, especially after all this time. Still, I offer this as a fourth option, which from time to time provides an accurate explanation for an otherwise inexplicable crime.
Imagine being given mercury as medicine, to combat the effects of arsenic. How times have changed. Okay, I am off to scroll Web-MD for whatever is causing this pain in my left arm.
The comments are crazy on this channel. If a man kills he's evil and bad, but when it's a woman the comments scramble to invent scenarios where she was the victim.
Just some thoughts. She was described as simple, so perhaps very simple. Child like. Potentially had no sex education. My mum once told of a woman friend of hers who fainted on her wedding night because she had no idea of what to expect or what a naked man looked like. Catherine may also have been horrified. We already know that she wasn't keen on hard maid's type work. She may consequently have taken a child's solution with no real idea or thought of consequences.
That is a good theory, its the trouble with terms like simple minded, you have no real idea what they mean by it and it can range from being very naïve to what would be seen as learning difficulties today.
Probably being born at home its pretty normal that her birthday wasn't recorded officially, more surprising that her christening date has been lost that is normally the one that sticks around in church records.
Hi everyone, just wanted to point out there is a couple of audio issue in this video where I had to rerecord sections I have done my best but you can hear the difference, also at one point I mispronounce a name I though I had fixed all of them it was only as I gave it a final listen I realised my mistake I hope this doesn't detract from the video to much for you.
Pakenham?
Love your videos champ!
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Don't worry about minor mistakes we all make them and those pedants who love to pounce on such minor errors only show their pettiness by doing so. Another fascinating well researched and presented video and thank you.
I wouldn't worry. A very enjoyable albeit sad case. Thankyou for the time & effort you take making these videos. Much appreciated ✌️
Lovely content but could you slow down the pace a teensy bit please. The delivery feels a bit rushed
Thank you for letting me I will try to slow it down a bit
Very sad. Well done presentation.
Thank you for this very interesting account and for your efforts to compile it. Much appreciated and, for the record, nothing was spoiled for me. Nobody’s perfect, and I agree that if people are going to listen with the intention of picking fault, then they should find something better to do with their time !
Another excellent episode of a tragic and strange event, thank you Sir!!!🙏😢⚖️🤔❣️
She was 17. Not really a spinster yet. Crazy
What a peculiar case! She does appear to have loved him before the wedding. After the wedding she couldn't get away from him fast enough before she went on to poison him. It is possible that she endured marital r@pe, and felt this was the only way out. If she was religious a separation or divorce might not have seemed an option and divorces were very difficult to obtain and huge stigma was attached. Without knowing how mentally delayed she was we cannot be sure she understood what marriage normally entails.
Very likely. My elderly great aunt, married in the early 20th century, had no idea what marriage entailed. Her husband had to sit her down and explain all on their marriage night. She did not believe what he was telling her. Luckily he was one of the good ones and was prepared to wait until she could take it on board. Many others were not so lucky, I am sure.
Divorce was not acceptable in society. It would not have been her "religion". A simple understanding of history would elucidate that issue. I think you are reading far too much into it all.
Not just unacceptable in society a was also illegal for a women to instigate a divorce until 1857.
It doesn't seem like she thought things through that hard... She just did it...
So glad to see a new case - always fascinating!!!!
Thank you!
It sounds like she may have been unprepared for what marriage entailed at night, and horrified or disgusted by the experience, with no way to say so at a time when you couldn't mention such a thing. Since no one else seems to have raised that possibility, it highlights how unmentionable it must have been. It certainly would not have been the first or last time that a young woman came too ignorant and unprepared to her wedding night..She is described as uneducated and somewhat dumb.... Whether or not she really was dumb or just not able to explain herself, she may have liked her husband well enough before marriage, but have been shocked by the reality of it. A sad story all around.
Yes, I also thought this might have been a motive.
I understand it may have been unmentionable then, but it's strange not to be thought of today.
I too thought of this. Having quickly removed herself for 10 days to visit her aunt, almost immediately after the wedding. Being a country girl, she was probably aware of the physical side of marriage but it might have terrified her.
Yes it would seem so and to make matters worse he was probably wanting it every night and rather aggressively so. She mentions that she had no affection for him which translates as...she was not attracted to him and would have found the act doubly repulsive and the thought of having to endure it for the rest of her life would have been literally unbearable.
It's more likely that she was a lover of one of the men she worked for as a "servant" for, and wished to be married to one of them, the "holiday" being her returning to one of them. Upon bring rejected, she returned, thinking the death of her current husband would make her more available for marrage.
Glad your back 👍
30:02 yep. Catherine was suicidal. This was her way of getting what she claimed she wished.
This story could be a Thomas Hardy novel.
Fría,enigmática y serena.Nunca lloró,ni se angustió ni mostró pena por los deudos.Retardo la llegada del médico todo lo que pudo,no envió por la familia a pesar de que el enfermo la reclamaba y desapareció de la casa por horas, dejándolo solo mientras agonizaba.Vaya niña! Me hizo acordar a la chica que mató a dos personas porque era lunes y ella odiaba los lunes.Los adolescentes suelen tener esta ausencia de empatía.Gracias por el vídeo.Ha sido un gran trabajo.
I'm glad you enjoyed the video, despite its rather grim nature.
I have another theory: she said that she had no affection for him. It might be possible that the sexual relations between them were unbearable for her. It might be possible too that she was a lesbian.
That is also a possibility.
A sorry tale an a mystery too. Well researched, delivered and edited.
We might complain about our lives today but little more than a century past the were infinitely more unpleasant. I am glad to be alive now rather than then.
I think if she intended to be hung to end her life she would not have ‘quietly’ tried to end her husbands life but do it very publicly so to be sure of conviction! I wonder if the acts within marriage scared her, or the feeling of suddenly being tied to someone for life being too overwhelming. She was obviously suffering depression and was probably a confused young lady. 😢
She is the real victim here.
@@eadweard. I agree.
@@serenanify I think this is called "Poe's law", isn't it?
@@eadweard. ??? Huh?
@eadweard. Yeah, never mind the man she killed lol.
for a child with limited education and with no real desire for the same as a child she certainly became eloquent before her death in her confession
Very true
Here in the US, there are any number of incidents where a person provokes law enforcement professionals to shoot them, such as when repeatedly commanded, refusing to drop their weapon or even running at LEPs with weapon in hand. This is known rather gruesomely as "suicide by cop." If Catherine was of a mind to pass away and not by her own hand, I do not discount your theory at the end of this video about her contriving a similar scenario.
Also, I have to wonder if her husband treated her in a brutish manner -- I won't use the word that might better describes this -- in the marital bed, and that is why she left for ten days shortly after the wedding. Perhaps she was physically injured during her introduction to conjugal relations and needed time to escape and to heal.
Yes he brought this on himself.
@@eadweard. I am not so sure that he did and apologize if I gave that impression. I am wondering why you are so sure. Maybe he was perfectly okay in his behavior and Catherine simply did not find "marital relations" enjoyable, hence her retreat from him for ten days. Plenty of women are guilty of misandry and misogyny for that matter.
That is a possibility as well. Just a shame we will never know the full truth.
@@eadweard. You don't know that. You have no idea. Very ugly of you.
Thank God I can slow down the playback speed!!
Thank you for the feed back I will try and work on how fast I talk.
The poor girl was painted into a corner by society and her expectations of life.
And you know this how?
@@kelrogers8480 From the story, it's what I saw. Do you always make condescending remarks to strangers in the internet?
@@capt.bart.roberts4975 no, do you?
You should do a video on Sarah Lloyd
When you said about the maids "being seen but not heard", it brought back memories of my mum saying to me "children should be seen, but not heard". Certainly makes me feel my age.
Sounded more like some form of mental disturbance whe she wrote love letters to him years before they was married and a week after that he was dead. She also told several times it was better that she died from this sad life.
ah I find this very interesting as I had ancestors in Acton, buried there.. this and Maria Marten are my favourite murders
Fascinating mystery here. Thank you so much. "Suicide by Court", eh? The thought crossed my mind also. One could wish, if suicide were her only goal that she would have taken the arsenic herself and spared everyone else. Perhaps killing John stemmed from an overactive religious imagination, in which she fashioned a vision combining her earthly joy of marriage with her more longstanding hope of an early entrance to eternity. The facts that she consulted three clerics in her last stage of life, and that she sent the Bible back to John's mother, rather than any personal item such as garments or work tools, gave me this idea.
If this is true-- a kind of personal religious insanity -- it is too bad that people who knew her before marriage, especially John, could not anticipate the extent of a faith which might have seemed to them a good one. It would be interesting to find evidence of her earlier religious life, even just attendance at worship or readings of scripture on her own. Did she choose a faith-based baptism at any point, as some evangelicals do? Alas, such information is unlikely to exist, especially after all this time. Still, I offer this as a fourth option, which from time to time provides an accurate explanation for an otherwise inexplicable crime.
Imagine being given mercury as medicine, to combat the effects of arsenic. How times have changed. Okay, I am off to scroll Web-MD for whatever is causing this pain in my left arm.
Hi. Was the title meant to use the plural of woman?
It was very interesting nonetheless.
A mistake when uploading that has now been corrected sorry about that.
I wonder if she really did it?
John me's thinks this will not end well!!!🙏😢⚖️🤔❣️
The comments are crazy on this channel. If a man kills he's evil and bad, but when it's a woman the comments scramble to invent scenarios where she was the victim.
I just meant that the gate that was built as the symbol of their shame still stands today not that the city its self should be feel ashamed.
The Cock Inn! Well I think most of us have been there! But only in Englandshire!
Just some thoughts. She was described as simple, so perhaps very simple. Child like. Potentially had no sex education. My mum once told of a woman friend of hers who fainted on her wedding night because she had no idea of what to expect or what a naked man looked like. Catherine may also have been horrified. We already know that she wasn't keen on hard maid's type work. She may consequently have taken a child's solution with no real idea or thought of consequences.
That is a good theory, its the trouble with terms like simple minded, you have no real idea what they mean by it and it can range from being very naïve to what would be seen as learning difficulties today.
Chickens dont eat in the dark
Really? Did not know that.
Wow 17
Well-dressed women who brought their children and you wonder why certain group of people has persisted in Psychopathic Behavior😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Cannot tell what you are trying to say.
Most prolific murderous to ever walk this planet try to call everybody else barbarians how dare you vicious animals
Rambling nonsense.
Can't get over ALL The details, but can't get her birthday date
Probably being born at home its pretty normal that her birthday wasn't recorded officially, more surprising that her christening date has been lost that is normally the one that sticks around in church records.