God bless you Dave, I ended up swapping alcohol to cannabis and socializing into solitude for the benefit of my health and sanity but you're right without alcohol the morons who choose to be blind to the evilness of our rulers and follow their lead are quite intolerable
What you resonated to all of us here carries a sense of relief. As each of us us can in someway relate to what you so deeply expressed. Those words are relieving and powerful. thank you
Bit of a balance you don't want to go into certain things blind but get the information and move forward with something don't idle and forget about it that's where you get stuck in unintentional loops.
Goddamn man! As an exceptionally high functioning, autodidact addict …I don’t know that I’ve ever her another fucking person put this shit into words… SPOT ON SIR! BRAVO! SUBSCRIBED!
One person sharing how they stopped taking drugs or drinking can really help another person do the same. The part i dont like is companies charging lots of money for recovery clinics etc
Great Rant Dave.... I hear ya alright. I dont know how you dropped in my feed but zhen i saw Finola is in here, and i was in the Sheridan Hocus focus chat with her last night. Maybe Tommy S is the connection. You could be the next Sheridan Dave. Sanguine gnosis to ya my friend. My sister whos in the AA programme calls me a dry drunk. Someone who has quit, on his own, but because i haven't changed my mind frame, im always teetering on the edge of getting back on the sauce. The programme has worked for her,saved her life for sure. The sauce took my younger brother in February, another sister just quit 3 years ago with no help(good husband) And our kid Sister never started as she had to live with mum n dad trying to help my brother Matthew. It certainly runs in our family Dave. So ill be subscribing to your channel for sure,. I like your style. Theres no fire trucks coming round the corner to save the day, you've gotta do it all yourself i agree with you on that one. Good luck and may your God or Gods go with you. Tony
If it works for some people, then let it go. I am 25 years without a drink ( I drank a 750 vodka a day). I needed the help of AA to get me to understand that wasn't the only person in the same situation. I learned from others, learned from the principals of the 12 steps and moved on with my life. I didn't like the all-or-nothing mentality of the groupies. I found it repulsive and judgmental. Your level of defensiveness makes me believe you're being forced into something. Your anger is a real turn off. Suggest alternatives, if you have any. Party on, Dave.
I don't know why he came up on my feed either. The lady there is right. But do what you want. Everything in moderation. Don't get drawn into any nonsense. You doing grand
Well that's just it, I establish my own values and define my own morality, I won't have them imposed upon me by the weak and the greedy. And they are greedy,greedy predators that prey on the weak.
Maybe Thomas is the connection here Finola. God knows. Are you subscribed to John Waters substack? Think I might have seen you in the comments there. Sanguine gnosis
@@deanodog3667 well really we know very little about Nietzsche as a person and about his condition, he was diagnosed with syphilis that he was supposed to have got in a whore house, I found that very difficult to believe but then I just had to concede that I know very little about the man, all we have is his work and due the the possibility and probability that he was of his knocker, how much of that can we attribute to him as a thing in and of itself. He most certainly seemed to struggle with the application of his own philosophy.
If it is causing any problems in your life, it is a problem, Joe Walsh. I didn't like how it changed my personality, next time you get some just throw it away, Robert Plant I don't know why I always go to rock stars but they would know better than most😅
You obviously know nothing about recovery nor do you know about NA/AA the problem is not the drugs( alcohol is a drug) the problem is the addict . there is no comparison with the therapeutic value of one addict helping another . maybe stick to a subject that you know something about instead of jour judgemental bs
@@paultheprofessional1796 listen mate,I acknowledged this, the weak need to lick each others balls, I get it. I also get the necessity for the validation and approval by others, I do, I get all that. You are a victim and you have a disease, that's cool, I'm fine with that, I do get it.
@davidconroy8554 The biggest problem you can't seem to see is that YOU are the one ranting like the victim always does. Your stubbon pride will take away everything in your life, and the only ones that will put up with you are the same as you, and from experience, no one wants to be with you. So when one day you're sitting in your pit of hatred and self-pity, do the world a favour and don't get onto social media looking for self justified validation.
I have no idea why you have come onto my feed this morning, but what a rant! I can hear what you're saying and wonder if your dependence upon MAN for an answer is the problem. You pointed out every failure of man's input regarding treatment centres, church, and 12 step groups. And I couldn't fault your criticism of all three. However, if you truly wish to stop drinking, you need to look at how your 'mind' works. Alcoholism is a two-fold illness. Like me, you don't look like a bottom drinker. You can leave it alone for a few days or weeks, maybe. So you don't need help to stop. My bodily need for alcohol only takes place once i've put a couple of drinks into it. It sets off a chemical reaction that needs more, and I end up in blackout or pass-out. I can wake up the next morning, groggy, and get on with my day. However, if I don't sort my thinking (my mind) out, sooner or later, I'd be picking up a drink again, and I did that for years. Thankfully, eventually, I asked someone to help me understand the book alcoholic anonymous. Sod the phone calls and the 90 meetings in 90 days! It's not about that. Sponsorship is about understanding the 164 pages of text and applying it to your life. It should be a process of a few days or weeks. The more you put in, the more you get out. Once you've done the work, cause it's all about action, you start it all over again with someone else, anyone else that wants to learn or go through it too. The drunk- a -logs in meetings and the therapy sessions (the poor me ) should not be there. I know a few long-term people who have never done the work. And they are not an alcoholic like me! Now, I have never been perfect at learning it and 20 years on I'm still learning stuff but I haven't had the need for alcohol in all that time, and I don't play around with any mind altering substances. I hold a job down, I even got married to a man who knows nothing about recovery, and that's not easy😂. I have heard someone recently say their 1st sponsor was online from America. (Im in the uk) So there are many ways to do it. There is a "Joe and Charlie" big book study on CZcams and plenty of inspirational speakers. I have to admit listening to Chris raymer is a big kick up the arse for me 😂 I will pray for the right person to come into your life and the realisation for you that the spiritual loving God of your understanding is working with you.🙏🏻❤
@@debbieplaister979 I don't know how it came up in your news feed either, it most certainly was not as a result of any marketing or promotion by me. Let's be clear about something, I have wish or intention to stop drinking, I enjoy drinking and it is conducive to my role. I don't believe that alcoholism is a disease, we are genetically predisposed to a way of thinking and a proclivity for drinking may arise from that. We can't change our nature but we can change our values in relation to it. However when others impose their values and morality upon us, forcing change if you like, then we become oppressed, enslaved and in turn depressed off our head. But that's ok, as long as we are conforming and not traumatizing anybody, we can suffer as long as we suffer in silence. Or what we may find redemption in saving others, that makes us feel good, that gives us a purpose in life, identifying others with a problem and helping them. Our whole meaning in life is the saving of souls, like Christan disciples going to save the pagan souls. It doesn't matter if they want it or not, they have to be saved. My big issue is the crusading, the emotional manipulation using words like sober, clean, proud, the dangling of the carrot, the illusion of success, the promise of a better life in which reality never matches their expectations, but there is no going back without compound their misery, oh how they have let everybody down by relapsing. Recovery is a lucrative business and I do have an issue with the aggressive marketing campaign under the guise of Utilitarianism. There is a better way. People can learn about Nature, learn to understand Nature, learn a new way of perceiving life, a new way of thinking, learn to work together while maintaining their sovereignty and identity, learn to manage their emotions and not let them be determined by external factors. Build their self esteem without a dependence on validation by others. Learn that attachment is the biggest addiction of all and it causes the most suffering.
What I am doing is practising self control, I'm practicing having one drink and stopping, I'm practicing having two litres and stopping. I'm practicing assessing myself in social interactions, I used to always get blattered, I don't do that anymore and haven't for a good while.
God bless you Dave, I ended up swapping alcohol to cannabis and socializing into solitude for the benefit of my health and sanity but you're right without alcohol the morons who choose to be blind to the evilness of our rulers and follow their lead are quite intolerable
What you resonated to all of us here carries a sense of relief. As each of us us can in someway relate to what you so deeply expressed. Those words are relieving and powerful. thank you
David Bowie said people who go through it and survive are stronger than someone who never tried it.
Bit of a balance you don't want to go into certain things blind but get the information and move forward with something don't idle and forget about it that's where you get stuck in unintentional loops.
Goddamn man!
As an exceptionally high functioning, autodidact addict …I don’t know that I’ve ever her another fucking person put this shit into words…
SPOT ON SIR!
BRAVO!
SUBSCRIBED!
Dave the philosopher’ thanks my friend. So Eloquently put, good man. The Healing brew joe day is a wee plug for a skydiver. All the best
One person sharing how they stopped taking drugs or drinking can really help another person do the same. The part i dont like is companies charging lots of money for recovery clinics etc
It only has as much control as you give it.
Great Rant Dave.... I hear ya alright.
I dont know how you dropped in my feed but zhen i saw Finola is in here, and i was in the Sheridan Hocus focus chat with her last night.
Maybe Tommy S is the connection.
You could be the next Sheridan Dave.
Sanguine gnosis to ya my friend.
My sister whos in the AA programme calls me a dry drunk.
Someone who has quit, on his own, but because i haven't changed my mind frame, im always teetering on the edge of getting back on the sauce.
The programme has worked for her,saved her life for sure.
The sauce took my younger brother in February, another sister just quit 3 years ago with no help(good husband)
And our kid Sister never started as she had to live with mum n dad trying to help my brother Matthew.
It certainly runs in our family Dave.
So ill be subscribing to your channel for sure,.
I like your style.
Theres no fire trucks coming round the corner to save the day, you've gotta do it all yourself i agree with you on that one.
Good luck and may your God or Gods go with you.
Tony
If it works for some people, then let it go. I am 25 years without a drink ( I drank a 750 vodka a day). I needed the help of AA to get me to understand that wasn't the only person in the same situation. I learned from others, learned from the principals of the 12 steps and moved on with my life. I didn't like the all-or-nothing mentality of the groupies. I found it repulsive and judgmental. Your level of defensiveness makes me believe you're being forced into something. Your anger is a real turn off. Suggest alternatives, if you have any. Party on, Dave.
I don't know why he came up on my feed either. The lady there is right. But do what you want. Everything in moderation. Don't get drawn into any nonsense. You doing grand
Well that's just it, I establish my own values and define my own morality, I won't have them imposed upon me by the weak and the greedy. And they are greedy,greedy predators that prey on the weak.
Maybe Thomas is the connection here Finola.
God knows.
Are you subscribed to John Waters substack?
Think I might have seen you in the comments there.
Sanguine gnosis
@@davidconroy8554 I love it, from Florida, but I must admit, I am weak, when I drink I become fearless. Could you image if Trump had a drink?
Who the heck do YOU hang out with!! Holy shit!...
Im a drinker with a writing problem! Brendan Behan
There are a lot of business success stories in the AA.
@@billwilson3665 are you the same man that called me a cheap ass? I was trying to tell you something but the Universe was having none of it 😂😂😂
Its a racket run by people with messiah complexes
I know why you are in my feed, philosophy.
Nietzsche only drank milk and despised beer.
@@FrankBurnham Nietzsche was flat out on opioids and sleeping pills.
And Nietzsche went mad
@@deanodog3667 well really we know very little about Nietzsche as a person and about his condition, he was diagnosed with syphilis that he was supposed to have got in a whore house, I found that very difficult to believe but then I just had to concede that I know very little about the man, all we have is his work and due the the possibility and probability that he was of his knocker, how much of that can we attribute to him as a thing in and of itself. He most certainly seemed to struggle with the application of his own philosophy.
@@davidconroy8554 yeah didn't seem to do him any good !!
Well he wrote the best of philosophy and probably had a cracker of a time.
If it is causing any problems in your life, it is a problem, Joe Walsh.
I didn't like how it changed my personality, next time you get some just throw it away, Robert Plant
I don't know why I always go to rock stars but they would know better than most😅
You obviously know nothing about recovery nor do you know about NA/AA the problem is not the drugs( alcohol is a drug) the problem is the addict . there is no comparison with the therapeutic value of one addict helping another . maybe stick to a subject that you know something about instead of jour judgemental bs
@@paultheprofessional1796 listen mate,I acknowledged this, the weak need to lick each others balls, I get it. I also get the necessity for the validation and approval by others, I do, I get all that. You are a victim and you have a disease, that's cool, I'm fine with that, I do get it.
@davidconroy8554 The biggest problem you can't seem to see is that YOU are the one ranting like the victim always does. Your stubbon pride will take away everything in your life, and the only ones that will put up with you are the same as you, and from experience, no one wants to be with you.
So when one day you're sitting in your pit of hatred and self-pity, do the world a favour and don't get onto social media looking for self justified validation.
I have no idea why you have come onto my feed this morning, but what a rant!
I can hear what you're saying and wonder if your dependence upon MAN for an answer is the problem.
You pointed out every failure of man's input regarding treatment centres, church, and 12 step groups. And I couldn't fault your criticism of all three.
However, if you truly wish to stop drinking, you need to look at how your 'mind' works.
Alcoholism is a two-fold illness.
Like me, you don't look like a bottom drinker. You can leave it alone for a few days or weeks, maybe. So you don't need help to stop.
My bodily need for alcohol only takes place once i've put a couple of drinks into it. It sets off a chemical reaction that needs more, and I end up in blackout or pass-out.
I can wake up the next morning, groggy, and get on with my day.
However, if I don't sort my thinking (my mind) out, sooner or later, I'd be picking up a drink again, and I did that for years.
Thankfully, eventually, I asked someone to help me understand the book alcoholic anonymous. Sod the phone calls and the 90 meetings in 90 days! It's not about that.
Sponsorship is about understanding the 164 pages of text and applying it to your life. It should be a process of a few days or weeks. The more you put in, the more you get out. Once you've done the work, cause it's all about action, you start it all over again with someone else, anyone else that wants to learn or go through it too. The drunk- a -logs in meetings and the therapy sessions (the poor me ) should not be there. I know a few long-term people who have never done the work. And they are not an alcoholic like me!
Now, I have never been perfect at learning it and 20 years on I'm still learning stuff but I haven't had the need for alcohol in all that time, and I don't play around with any mind altering substances. I hold a job down, I even got married to a man who knows nothing about recovery, and that's not easy😂.
I have heard someone recently say their 1st sponsor was online from America. (Im in the uk) So there are many ways to do it.
There is a "Joe and Charlie" big book study on CZcams and plenty of inspirational speakers.
I have to admit listening to Chris raymer is a big kick up the arse for me 😂
I will pray for the right person to come into your life and the realisation for you that the spiritual loving God of your understanding is working with you.🙏🏻❤
@@debbieplaister979 I don't know how it came up in your news feed either, it most certainly was not as a result of any marketing or promotion by me. Let's be clear about something, I have wish or intention to stop drinking, I enjoy drinking and it is conducive to my role. I don't believe that alcoholism is a disease, we are genetically predisposed to a way of thinking and a proclivity for drinking may arise from that. We can't change our nature but we can change our values in relation to it. However when others impose their values and morality upon us, forcing change if you like, then we become oppressed, enslaved and in turn depressed off our head. But that's ok, as long as we are conforming and not traumatizing anybody, we can suffer as long as we suffer in silence.
Or what we may find redemption in saving others, that makes us feel good, that gives us a purpose in life, identifying others with a problem and helping them. Our whole meaning in life is the saving of souls, like Christan disciples going to save the pagan souls. It doesn't matter if they want it or not, they have to be saved.
My big issue is the crusading, the emotional manipulation using words like sober, clean, proud, the dangling of the carrot, the illusion of success, the promise of a better life in which reality never matches their expectations, but there is no going back without compound their misery, oh how they have let everybody down by relapsing. Recovery is a lucrative business and I do have an issue with the aggressive marketing campaign under the guise of Utilitarianism.
There is a better way. People can learn about Nature, learn to understand Nature, learn a new way of perceiving life, a new way of thinking, learn to work together while maintaining their sovereignty and identity, learn to manage their emotions and not let them be determined by external factors. Build their self esteem without a dependence on validation by others. Learn that attachment is the biggest addiction of all and it causes the most suffering.
What I am doing is practising self control, I'm practicing having one drink and stopping, I'm practicing having two litres and stopping. I'm practicing assessing myself in social interactions, I used to always get blattered, I don't do that anymore and haven't for a good while.
I'm practicing eating some food when drinking, I suppose I'm practicing drinking in a more civilised manner.
It's like all drugs, set and settings have to be taken into consideration.
I Hope your life is full of joy, I will leave you in your peace ❤