What Does The Bible Say About Narcissism
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- čas přidán 17. 02. 2021
- In today's video we are tackling the topic of the Bible and Narcissism, and if the Bible addresses Narcissism, what does it say and which scriptures mention it.
Jill Wise, otherwise known as The Enlightened Target, is a life long survivor of narcissistic abuse. She was raised by a malignant narcissist and married to a malignant narcissist, she has endured years of parental alienation, has repeatedly been targeted by narcissists throughout her life. She has an intimate understanding of all aspects of narcissistic abuse and Cptsd. She uses her experience and what she has learned to help educate others and bring awareness to narcissistic abuse. She is also a Narcissistic Abuse Recovery Coach and works with clients all over the world heal from the trauma of narcissistic abuse, parental alienation and Complex Ptsd.
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I'm going to go ahead and share another verse. It's a goodie: "Whoever corrects a mocker invites insult; whoever rebukes a wicked man incurs abuse." (Proverbs 9:7)
Wow. True.
Proverbs 21:9 (NLT): "It’s better to live alone in the corner of an attic than with a quarrelsome wife in a lovely home." My attic corner is much more peaceful...
There is only one problem !!! Everything in the Old Testament was to prefigure Jesus the Messiah Mary his mother and even Joseph. Jesus supersedes everything in the Old Testament. So unless you learn to love your enemies then you are not in compliance with what Jesus Christ wants but with the Old Law. It's the new law the New Covenant that gets us into heaven King David is not going to get you into heaven unless you learn the way of the cross your future looks bleak
@@josephcade3541 You can love them, you can even pray for them. But it doesn’t mean you have to be a door mat for their abuse. Even Jesus showed his wrath against the money changers that were manipulating people by ripping off the pilgrims who were coming to pay their respects at the temple.
Ephesians 4:26 KJV
Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
Clearly the bible is saying it is not a sin to be angry at evil.
@@josephcade3541 Here is a Truth for you. Marcion the heretic came up with a terminology Old Testament. When Paul told Timothy that ALL SCRIPTURE is profitable for doctrine, reroof and teachings righteousness in 1AD, guess what?! The gospels and the epistles were not compiled yet. So guess what? Paul was speaking about Torah and Tanakh, you incorrectly call Old Testament and here is a bigger Truth. Messiah Yeshua quite clearly stated in Matthew 7;
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you WORKERS OF LAWLESSNESS.’
So, knowing His name and casting demons in His Name YET practicing LAWlessness will be an automatic denial to Kingdom of God.
Guess what LAWlessness IS? It’s breaking God’s commandments. What IS breaking God’s commandments? A transgression>Sin.
1 John 3:4; Sin IS >the transgression of the Law; whoever commits sin is also transgressing The Law.”
If there was no circumcision of the heart that leads to Trust that leads to Abiding in Heavenly Father’s Word your FAITH IS DEAD 💀
James 1;
21 Therefore lay aside all filthiness and overflow of wickedness, and receive with meekness THE IMPLANTED WORD, >>which is able to save your souls.
22 But be DOERS of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves. 23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a DOER, he is like a man observing his natural face in a mirror; 24 for he observes himself, goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 25 But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and CONTINUES IN IT, and is not a forgetful hearer but a DOER of the work, this one will be blessed in what he does.
James 2;
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe-and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD?
You mentioned some good scriptures. Here's another that helps me. Regarding a narcissistic smear campaign: Proverbs 19:5, "A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies shall not escape."
Thanks l was married to a narcissist and after all these years of hard-heartedness my children are like there dad and that grieves me
Jesus is my first love now and l know l have thee perfect Husband that supplies all my needs.
To receive what our Lord says we can have in Him comes by knowing Him obeying and following Him so as to imitate our Lord and that is how l forgive my narcissist family
Without Jesus there is no way it can be done.
His Truth. His Spirit.
Shalom Shalom
Amen thank you for that that does help🙏🏽💖
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The most difficult thing is to honor thy father and thy mother when both are narcissists
Don't be a professional victim in the interest of thinking God wants you to. Any narc would USE your loyalty to that notion to harm you greatly.
Luke 8:20-21
Someone said to Jesus, “Your mother and brothers are standing outside and want to see you.” Jesus said to them all, “My mother and brothers are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”
@@Vezmus1337 ...yeah. So, that sounds like a conditional love expectation from a narcissistic personality.
This HAS been very difficult; you are right. I have asked myself many times: "what does 'honoring my father' look like when he is a narcissist"? The best answer I have come to is to pray for him, for his good, for his heart...all from a distance. I try to keep poison at bay by not disparaging him to others (except maybe my therapist and my husband). This is a difficult command to wrap my head around and still stay in a place of safety and trust.
Dear Lucilia, I struggled with your exact comment "The most difficult thing is to honor thy father and thy mother" If you have a moment look at KJV Psalm 27 1:10 When my Father and my Mother forsake me, then the LORD will take me up. Children born to unbelievers are looked after by God, I know this because I would not have been able to survive without the power of God. Took me a long time to get here, but I made it! Thank you Jesus!!!
The churches are no place to let your guard down; who better for the devil to corrupt than preachers .
Any rational person can clearly see the depth of brainwashing, moral extortion, and perversion that all religions share. They can not escape their own sin. False worship is all worship and all worship is corrupt, false worship. No method exists to determine correct worship... god left that part out of the bible so fakers have filled the vacuum with their own notions of worship. The first commandment has every thing to do with not worshiping and never demands sinners to worship him.... only Satan does that.
@@MaryDunford That is 100% what I've discovered! Amen!
Amen
“Even the devil uses Scripture to promote his own purposes.” Shakespeare
He always has.
More than Shakespeare. Per the Gospels Satan quoted scripture to tempt Jesus in the wilderness.
@Pedro Ivan Sanchez
Agreed!
It shows jus how psychotic they are, when they read share scripture they speak as if they are God and you are the servant that must obey them.
@Pedro Ivan Sanchez smh unbelievable.Hope your in a better space now
I believe the word, -narcissism- is, a synonym for the word, sin.
Also I believe a church/religion can become a perfect feeding ground for narcs, because most people there just want to be kind and forgiving and the narcs just exploits that to the full and tends to get away with it because we have to 'forgive', the covert narc or wolf in sheep clothing, the covert narc, there are many scriptures, but here is one Jude 11-13
Forgive them , go no contact or grey rock , you don't need them using you or doing you dirty more than once, as the bible verse says don't throw your pearls before swine. Proverbs 4 13-16 . They are trying to get a reaction out of you, to make you angry , to make you fall. Don't fall for their manipulative tactics. I haven't encountered religious narcissists at church but I have some at work, evil people who will twist scriptures to suit their agenda. Best not to say anything when they are doing that- they believe everything they say is right- they just are trying to start an argument- to test you- don't fall for it. I PRAY THAT GOD WILL BLESS MY ENEMIES. It's laying the problem at the cross and JESUS taking care of it. People say not forgiving someone is like drinking poison and expecting your enemies to die. PEACE AND GOD BLESS🙏🔥💖
@@cherylharris6312
Churches seem like they are more subtle. My ex would say -“since you’re a Christian....you have to forgive me...therefore...”
Oh my. Another plot- using my moral values to get what their way.
I forgive him for myself, not for him (they do not care), however forgiving doesn’t me I
forget. For me it’s best not to forget so I don’t fall into a trap like that one ever again.
Tammy B Had a co-worker say that I was holding a grudge because I wouldn't speak to her . She knew I believed in God and thought she could play mind games with that. I have been praying for all of my enemies and people who despitefully use me. I know I have nothing to prove and don't owe her anything . I stayed no- contact , I know narcissists believe what they want to and think you're going to play the mind games to try to change their mind. Religious narcissist at work is not subtle , will try to push beliefs onto you.
Jehovah's Wittnessess are a Narcissistic Organization.Under The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society Inc.They are not a Religion.They are a High Mind-Control/ Cult.
Yes
My ex-husband who was a narcissist was the music pastor at our church. It’s so crazy how sociopaths and narcissists even pedophiles some of the most dangerous people are usually able to put off the illusion that they are good people. So whenever you hear about people that knew these murderers with these mental disorders, and you would ask them what their opinion of these people were, most people would say that they were “charming, a really nice guy” or “he seem to get along with everyone”
I agree
Wow 😮
Facts
I sat across the aisle from an international level pedophile in church for two years. Nobody knew until the victims’ parents started pressing charges.
Exactly
We spent a whole class session discussing malignant narcissism when I was in seminary. Came upon at least three examples while in pastoral ministry. Was actually quite surprised to realize how few people in church life just can’t discern narcissists in the pew right next to them. “Wolves in sheep’s clothing.’
@@helenhighwater5313 We are, however, expected to exercise discernment. Real love does not imply complete and unrestricted acceptance of bad behavior.
@@emesselt Yes, discernment. For me, I was so blinded by my commitment to the institution of marriage that I stayed 35 years with a covert "Christian" narcissist who would regularly tell me, "you just have to accept me the way I am," and "you are just going to have to forgive me," when I complained about bad behavior. It nearly drove me insane and I was on the brink of suicide when Jesus gave me a way of escape. Covert is the most dangerous type because the public image is so meek, humble and shy. Never would anyone believe me how I was being dismissed, neglected and exposed to layers of toxic and negative energy on the daily. Nothing brought him joy. How can someone that miserable be a follower of Christ?
@@gailrosenberg48 Same for me, sister. God made a way out and I finally got divorced (2 years ago) after 35 years been married to a narc. In all that time, lots of church people around us were blind about the real problem. Also outside therapists. I came never to this word of "narcissism" until a few weeks ago. There is a lack of knowledge and discernment in the church that allows this abuse to go on. A topic, under many, to pray about. God bless you and heal you.
@@thereseservais924 Thank you for sharing your story. We are sisters no doubt.
@@gailrosenberg48 you're so welcome. God bless you !
Wolves in sheep's clothing fool even the smartest people.
Amen
Here's another verse I've found helpful. (A bit late since I've been married 34 years but still comes in handy with this and other relationships): "I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore, be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves." (Matthew 10:16)
😊...shrewd as snakes...i love that...my chinese astrology sign is snake. 🐍
I've often wondered if the animal symbolism in scripture may be something like an astrological wheel ...there's references to elements as well...
@@dougarnold7955 Wouldn't know 'bout that. Interesting, though!
@@susannay.3437 Thanks. Great discussion.
@@dougarnold7955 ive seen somewhere years ago that it is kinda like that!
Oh my gosh. I quote that to my boyfriend a lot
Even in the comments already, I see there is opposition. We can expect that. The enemy, the Devil, does not want this information spread. He doesn’t want to be exposed. Keep going. I’m with you. Don’t give in, don’t stop.
Amen! 🤗🙏
I see some perhaps well meaning Christians here trying to imply that to separate yourself from an abusive, narcissist individual is against the Bible and is unforgiveness. That is nothing more than a LIE from Satan himself. It's a dirty, underhanded trick to keep us in bondage, knowing that we will spend most of our lives MISERABLE and defeated if we buy into the belief that we are obligated to stay in close relationship with our narcissist. Can you imagine having to wait for another person to DIE in order for you to have some peace?! I don't care if the narcissist is your own MOTHER! LEAVE THEM ALONE! Self preservation is the first law of nature!
I agree I guess that's what I don't get about the name narcissist am l just being to picky wanna know because mental health seems to be influenced by evil
@Jean Genie
It makes a lot of sense. I have an uncle who lost his mind in his early twenties and died in a mental institution. His older brother, who is almost 70, is an alcoholic. They were both abused by their narcissist mother, who ordered their step father to beat them to blood. And because their mother is an elderly person now, the family feels that she deserves so much respect and protection simply because she is still breathing in her late 80's. They show absolutely no remorse for the children whom she has abused.
The bible is a pit of vipers and using it as a crutch to justify and validate any thing is pathetic. We have senses and brains and a lot of access to diverse data. The best defense is a good offense so with narcissists you have to put your self up front, ahead of any thing they ever say or do and never accept their lies. Assume every one you meet is a Narcissist and then modify your assessment of them as they present their personality to you. Narcissists have no long term plans beyond discarding you and if they share their goals with you they are grandiose and purely fabrication... like the bible.
The Bible is Holy and God talks about those being wicked and evil! God says have nothing to do with them! 1 Thessalonians. Abstain from any form of evil.
Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness but rather--Expose them.. ephesians 5:11
Just check out Isaiah 45:7 and Deuteronomy 32:39 and you will see God creates both good and evil!
And 1 Cor. 5 too.
@Pedro Ivan Sanchez
Isaiah 53 = Jesus
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@Pedro Ivan Sanchez Rite!
I used to be a Pollyanna regarding people...not anymore...these last few years have taught me not to be. Painful awakening....I have to say.
I was married to one for 20 years/ I have been red-pilled too and still am learning to trust people again/ pray about it everyday ❤️🥰❤️🥰
I thought I was the only Pollyanna left in the world! Lol
@@ellebee3998 Nope. There's me too Elle Bee sheesh!
The red pill she speaks about the one we swallow and stay in la la land…I was on that since my teens and he took so much from me like my time wasted! 🙏. I’m thankful to God that my daughter got the information that we needed to know what was really going on and my kids really struggle and I would say they struggle more than me from everything that we have found out. But I’ve been through a lot more in my life so much more resilient I worry about my kids. One wants nothing to do with him the other one was hoping that he changed and seeing that he’s not
I can relate. Not everyone is like me... 🐉⚡🌈
These verses describe narcissism perfectly. And it tells us to avoid these people.
Yesssss Yessss EXACTLY
Yeah I noticed that too! A recurring theme of “avoid them!”
@Lonnie Minick ikr?!?
@Lonnie Minick Your comment has just stuck with me because I know exactly how you feel. Once you realize you’re married to someone like that, it really complicates everything…you can’t just avoid them in that situation. I understand. I’m in the same situation. Praying for you. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
@Lonnie Minick divorce
“Disobedient to their parents” was one quote my narcissistic father used against me. Also the “honor your mother and father “ commandment. His interpretation of these passages was that I should follow his every order, whim and attempt to control my life no matter how ridiculous or against my own principles, it was. He used them against me well into my adulthood in his attempts to control. I am so glad I went no contact with him. I pray that I can forgive him and myself.
I was made aware that you need to to read the whole of that commandment to make sense of it. " Honour thy mother and father that it may be well with you " or words to that effect, meaning that if you were in the unfortunate situation where either or both of your parents were narcissists then you would need to honour them as far as is possible in order that they could not ruin your life.
@@deborahp7500 what if you tried and they disown you?
@@carriepappagallo8478 then I would say you have tried your best to honour them and you have done all you can do...but that is just my opinion without knowing much about the situation.
@@deborahp7500 It reads: Honor thy father and thy mother so your days will be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.
Forgiving him is freedom for you.
Maybe the Narcissist spirit is the Jezebel spirit? Close cousins.
It's the Jezebel spirit. I wasn't even saved when it told me it's name. That was over 25 years ago. Several spirits working together. Also Probably Leviathan, possibly Incubus. I know it sounds crazy. I'm not all that thrilled about knowing about it myself. But Truth is Truth. Correction. It was about 23 years ago.
Yes! Narcissism is the worldly term, Jezebel is the spiritual name. It’s the same spirit.
Same thing
I came here to write that
Also Proverbs...this is my neighbor. She's not a floozy but she has every narcissistic trait known to mankind and she stands in the street yelling her conversations to project a phony happy persona but when she goes in her house she likes to fight. She also tries to bait me in fights but I've got her # (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house: 12Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.) Proverbs 7:11,12 It's called the strange woman and it's a demon and yes, jezebel is right there.
Wow, you woman of valor! What a mighty blow; striking the core of narcissism.
I felt this and agree. Much respect.
Thats collective narcissism !
The story about Lot , and Sodom is all about narcissism No the bible doesnt use vain philosophy. Judas was all about narcissism . And Timothy certainly refering to the narcissism we are witnessing today ! The bible is of no private interpretation , but it needs to be spiritually discerned God states His words are spirit .
You got that right. She's some one I needed. Nice and refreshing in a way...
@@randallbrinkman2570
Yes about Collective Narcissism.
Thank you I was with a narcissist for 28 years. I have been so deceived. Yes I am basically a good Christian. I pray I will be healed from the abuse.
I'm the family scapegoat. I'm 58 yrs old and still suffering. I was disinherited by a narcissist father. It's just me and the Golden Child and he has such a deserving attitude. He's learned from my father that I'm such a bad person. I was diagnosed with diabetes at age 6 and dad was so ashamed that he produced such a imperfect child that he gave me this false identity. I've gone no contact with the Golden Child brother. I've been trained to think I'm a worthless person. Dad gave my brother the entire 120 acre farm. I'm not worth 1 acre in the back corner? It's so hateful!
Adam?
It ain’t over brother.
Same here!
Just be thankful you're not like them
YOU ARE WORTH THE MOST PRICELESS THING IN THE UNIVERSE: THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF JESUS, GOD’S ONLY SON!
You are provided for in Heaven!
Scapegoats get secret righteousness and projections. That's all. Lol 🐉⚡🌈
Excellent raising this, bless you. Jesus opened my eyes, He exposed narcissistic religious hypocrisy. I've no strength to go into it but please call out to God to show you who is the way, the truth and the Life 💕🙏
God bless. May God grant you strength and happiness
What a great video Jill! I grew up as a Jehovah’s Witness so I really appreciated the link to the Bible. Wow did you nail it! The Bible absolutely speaks about these people we’ve just now been able to put a name to them. I believe the world is filled with either empaths or narcissist on a spectrum. I love you all my empath brothers and sisters ❤️❤️❤️
2 Timothy 3:1-7
This will sound insane however I'm going to say it; I think the remnant are the empaths who have come to Jesus or about to realise that Jesus did walk this earth. I came to Jesus through the narcissistic abuse of parents and these people are demonic.
@@nocontactjourney7214 I am in full agreement with you
Wade, I too grew up as a JW. I'm in total agreement with you. I've been surrounded all my life by this evil. As an empath, I have now completely secluded myself from the world. The only thing I think about is the soon return of Jesus our blessed hope.. I'm weary.
@@ravenraven966 u are strong
I was molested by a Catholic priest when I was 10 years old...one who was entrusted to me.. when returned home my cluster B mother was too drunk to even acknowledge me..she would often quote that Our lady and Our Lord were her constants..long sad twisted story but....I walked away from the entire dysfunctional cult 3 years ago..forgotten wellness has returned..no contact is a must...I nearly died but still here!...
Praise God,.. sorry for your pain! So proud of you for having the courage to walk away .
@@Rockstar-kw7bz and bless you for what you need to face and do in your journey..you have more strength than you know! Much love..💜
@@angel772921 thank you 🙏🏽. I learning how strong I am a little bit more everyday.
@@Rockstar-kw7bz yes you are beautiful warrior. .you got this..one moment at a time !💜
@@angel772921 God bless you
Remember always what you do even to your enemies you do for the love and Glory of God not for them and not for you. But because you do the will of Him who sent you. God Love you Jill
Thanks for the wise words and advise. Its wise as A Christian to not keep buddha in you're home. Not to judge! It was on my heart to say it. God bless all.
Amen! I was wondering the same thing!
@@Hegivesbeautyforashes-ll7yt yeah but as you can see, no reactions. I will keep speaking truth! Don’t be surprised, you have to almost stand on you own. Lost many because of it. But also gained the right people.
They have a reprobated mind. So sad, but you are right scripture calls this type of personality out. Warns us. You always have great topics. Thank you!
Jesus faced toxic narcissists in the Gospels- the Pharisees- they , out of narcissistic injury and rage for Christ calling them out, sought revenge against Christ, thus causing Christ’s crucifixion and death on the Cross.
True.. I also believe selfannonsed apostle Paul, was one. Decieved the whole world. Not what Jesus taught...
Yeah those religious people are nothing but narcissists, not like us :-) the same people who bash Christianity would never talk about Muslims beating their wives while throwing acid on their face, what are they afraid of? Finding their head laying in a wicker basket :-) You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. Matthew 7:5.
What’s the proof that the Pharisees in the 4 Gospels in the New Testament were toxic narcissists? Christ said a long speech in Matthew 21 about the hypocrisy of the Pharisees- and narcissists are habitual hypocrites with so many pathetic even illogical double standards
Also Christ mentioned a parable about the arrogant Pharisee in the way he prayed in the temple to God about how perfect he was that offends God (self righteous snotty prayer) - as opposed to the humble contrite publican who prayed the right way to God that pleases God (with humility and remorse )
And yes narcissists are arrogant !
Christ detests arrogance and hypocrisy in the Gospels
They loved darkness more then light. They loved the sin, they loved the unrighteousness because it served them, worked for their benefit and advantage, to heck with anyone else as long as they are receiving self gratification that's all that matters.
@@yvettecunningham5496 And that is why people rather follow Paul (the new Covenant, where someone died for Your sins so You will be saved (by doing nothing but to believe in Jesus EXSTISTANCE)). Rather than to believe Jesus teachings, that taught that one has to earn their salvation by doing good, live righteous etc. Jesus was murdered, he didn't die so we could sin.
The destruction of truth was done by evil people. And there was Paul, also a fariseer, who they pushed as truth.. Jesus warned against those people. Also we were warned in old testament. On top of that, all the stories of people who came across these kinds of people, to lead them astray.
If you had not have given that first scripture, I was going to put it here, because it is one of the best ones, that describes a narc. Over the past few years, I've pulled out so many of them that describe them. Just about every one with the word, "wicked" describes them. Here's another good one: Isaiah 29:15
Woe to those who go to great depths
to hide their plans from the Lord,
who do their work in darkness and think,
“Who sees us? Who will know?”
I applaud you for doing such an excellent job on this video! Also, we can all know this: Psalm 7:11 "God is angry with the wicked every day.
I thought it to be odd. I was just thinking about this today when I was listening to another person speaking on this topic. I think the Bible uses the term wickedness instead of narcissist. I'm grateful to hear you speak about this. I've been really injured emotionally. I lost trust in people and God. I've been holding on to what I did believe because I know it was right. I never considered myself to be an empath. Not sure if I am. Up until my injury. I didn't think I had an enemy. YES I was very naive. I didn't think people i worked with could be so evil. Although this experience was very hurtful and malicious I'm grateful in some ways for this experience. It helps me to understand more of why people struggle with forgiveness. Bitterness. Believe it or not even Mercy. I have been dealing with this for a long time. I'm thankful that God is restoring my faith. I'm understanding More ofwhat grace means.
Thank you so much for sharing this. Have seen some narcissists growing up in the church world. Narcissism hiding behind an attitude/facade of super piety or being super spiritual is definitely not uncommon but very destructive
Very interesting. I had never thought of spirituality being used as a veil for narcissism
@@WisdomVersebyVerse The New Age is a breeding ground for narcissism. I did some deep healing after 36 years of narcissist abuse from parents, partners, friends and my psychotherapist. When I came out of that, I was then lured into lucifer's lair....sucked into the self-love, self-empowerment, self-actualisation ideologies....with all sorts of so-called "spiritual" people claiming to heal others and manifest their own reality. God was never mentioned. Promoters of the "spiritual" New Age movement encourage you to see yourself as a god and teach you how to create/command your own reality. As a result, innocent and well-meaning people get corrupted and start developing a spiritual arrogance akin to a narcissist. I noticed this in myself and others, and I was repelled by it when I realised. That made me question the New Age "spiritual" movement so deeply, to the point where I cried out to God for the truth and admitted that I couldn't heal myself by myself. Praise God He answered my cry for help and saved from all the New Age nonsense and twisted "spiritual" ideologies. Jesus is the truth and the only way. Only Jesus heals.
...isn't one of the '10 commandments' something about not bearing false witness... ie: 'gossip' or slander?! 🤔
I think so. Then a question arises; if a narcissistic person is NEVER wrong. How would they view gossip or slander?🙂 just a thought.
@@grammy8436
The problem with Narcs is, they are ridiculously full of themselves, very arrogant, egocentric, quick to interrupt you, quick to talk over you, love the spot light, quick to speak and walk into a room mouth first......Many times the Narc's arrogant mouth gets them in trouble with others for Narc's wrongful assumptions, but then the Narc lacks the ability to back peddle, admit wrongfully speaking, can't self reflect and confess they were "wrong" for being so quick to speak about someone who isn't present, which basically was nothing more than the Narc gossiping. In the Narc's sick & twisted mind, it wasn't that big a deal.
Problem is Narcs can dish it out, but they can NOT take it in and they are very PROUD and will never admit wrong doing, because their pride makes them blind to their own arrogance. If you point this out to them, they become extremely offended, feel threatened and immediately view you as the enemy and themselves as the victim, while they scheme up a plot/plan to turn others in town against you so as to preserve their own pride/ego keeping others to remain beholding to the Narc so the Narc can remain top of the heap and you as the diseased child that is unstable & needs help.
Matthew 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheeps clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves."
Proverbs 6:16-19 "These six things the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto Him: a proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, a false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
Me: 32 yrs a born again Christian
30 yrs married to covert cerebral
I to was ripe for the picking😕 Many good points Jill☝️ This could get interesting. Btw the flannel is reminiscent of a lumber jack but technically you'd be a lumber...Jill😬
Thank you so much, Jill! I am not a biblical scholar either, but your analysis seems right on the money to me. Thank you for all of the videos. They really do help. Your wisdom and compassion are a gift to us all.
1:30...thanks for this. You're brave to open this discussion. I think it's a very important piece in the discussion of narcissistic entitlement behavior.
I' m always cautious when i make comments on this because I don't want to come off as being offensive. It's good to talk about it though because so much of the narcissistic attitudes I've experienced have been from individuals who have a bible oriented projection.
I suspect that so much of the dogmas we endure by by spiritual narcissists today are simply a continuation of what was created by narcissists in the past.
Spot on.
@@judyscheiber3661 Thanks for the reply. Lots of interesting comments on this one!
My comment is coming from a mindset of questioning the scriptural tradition we've inherited. There's so much debate from historians how the scriptures developed, I'm left wondering if it all was just created by narcissists in the first place.
When i was a kid i had to learn the christian dogmas. Its only recently that ive had opportunity to listen to ideas about the scriptures that originate outside of the christian traditions.
@@dougarnold7955 Jesus said himself that the letter kills but the Spirit gives life. There are lots of dogmas and traditions to be questionned. But the one who looks for the heart of God thru His word will find real life and love. I've been thru that questionning too, and found the very best.
This is so accurate it hurts. I had my first experience with a narcissist and thank GOD a friend of mine shouting out Red Flag! when I told her how he went from lovebombing me(though I didn't know what this term was, he was just being reeeeally passionate and over-the-top romantic) to belittling me bit by bit two months later after our first disagreement. She immediately recognized these behaviors and warned me he sounded like he was doing the narcissistic cycle on me. I looked it up and he was basically a textbook narc. I am so grateful I got away from him after only 4 months after learning that some people get stuck with narcs for years and end up committing suicide by their mental and emotional abuse. Block and delete! NO contact with narcs!!!!!!!!!
Well articulated biblical verses on narcissism and narcissistic traits. Actually, there are a lot of narcissistic personalities in the Bible. Most concretely of narcissistic personality and behavior in the Bible are the religious powers and authorities in Jesus’ time: the Pharisees, the sadducees, the Scribes, the elders and high priests and priests. Their relationship with the empathetic Christ was nothing but narcissistic. Indeed, today there are not just hypocritical characters in religion but there are a lot of narcissistic personalities in religious circles. Thanks for the exposition and insights.
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Very well said. Thank you for pointing that out.
It continues to this day unfortunately in varying forms.. tv was a great way for televangelist to exploit a lot of people back in the day the scandals that prevailed in 80's and 90's. No scandals recently.
The forum has changed it is not limited to any one group.
Even though he didn't use the word "narcissists" M. Scott Peck's book "The People of the Lie (the Hope for Healing Human Evil") DEFINES this kind of abuse thru vignettes and examples, and he actually used the word in the book's title. He was a devout Christian and spiritual leader, as well as a psychiatrist. As a society, we have gained much more understanding of narcissism since that book's writing and publication.
YES JILL!!! You got hip to setting up reminders!! I love it! There are multiple narcissists in the Bible, none of which were commended for their wicked ways. Looking forward to this. ❤️🙏🏻
Thank you Jill. When you read 2 Timothy 2:27-3 I got chills. Also with the other scriptures you addressed. Mine was a fake Christian. When I started to serve GOD with my whole heart and would not bow down to his control, Oh he would call me crazy and rage, etc... Many Blessings to you and all you Survivors out there!
You are so strong for surviving the abuse. May God grant you further strength and happiness!
I am married to a “Christian” narcissist for 36 yrs. He is definitely a wolf in sheep’s clothing! No one at our church has a clue about his abusive behavior toward me. He’s also a deacon there.
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I believe you Deborah. That's where the flying monkeys come into play. Many people in church with you are narcissistic as well. I was married to a pastor and I will not support His ministry. He made sure I left His church and I never went back. Remain as faithful to God and serve as The Lord Jesus Everywhere you Go. 🙏
If he is abusive he not a Christian,a real one at least
@@Ghost-oi8he most definitely. You cannot be filled with the Holy Spirit and keep practicing the same sin over and over without being convicted of those sins and truly repenting. My narcissistic husband absolutely does not believe he is doing anything wrong whatsoever. He even watches very inappropriate movies and shows on tv and has videos on his cell phone that my grandkids saw by mistake and they got embarrassed ! And I have
said to my husband what would Jesus say about you watching these things on tv and his answer Why he is right here watching it with me! He’s a very scary person.
Yes, Unfortunately many narcissists are hiding in plain sight at church. The one idea that they exploit the most is the concept of love and forgiveness in the Scriptures. Usually they take that to mean that you should love and forgive them, not that they should love and forgive you!
Wow, you could apply this to every man made religions leadership and with a narcissist its always about the “MONEY”
All need/want money. Not a sin. But there are those who are really about CONTROL. Bullies.
Romans 16: 17-18. So specific to my life. It also gives guidance to, "avoid them." Verse 20 explains that God will take care of it for us. We do not need to hold on to bad feelings or seek vengeance ourselves. It is safe to put in in God's hands. It helps to remind myself that He can do a much better job at justice than I can. Such a blessing that God, our loving parent, takes care of His children. I love it!
I was living with a spiritual who became deeb Christian. She was offcause the sweetest when I meet her, but as time went by and the deeper she went in to the bible, she begin to claime that I and many from her family even her daughter got a demon.
I dit go to a priest with her actually 2 different to see if I dit have a demon, they told no. But then suddenly there was something wrong, because according to the scripture if I didn't do so and so I differently got a demon.
She became crazy I didn't knew anything about narcissism at that time.
And she really did crush my heart, because of the lovebombing in the first 4-5 mounth so to understand in my mind that she was sick took me a long long time, she went always back to the lovebombing when I left her, I went back to her 6 or 7 times before I gave up and couldn't understand a thing of it all until I began to read and see videos about narcissism.
But I am sure that there are many narcissist among Christian's.
Thank you for the video 🙂 other youtuber mancunian it too, that there is a connection between narc and believer's in the bible, the use it as power !
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Excellent work! You are absolutely divinely guided.
Exactly! The Wind blows were it wants to.
Good job! I'm going to spend some time tomorrow looking for more verses. As a devout Christian it horrified me, once my ex was totally exposed, to realize that he had no problem with taking communion after the pastor explaining each and every time the profound danger of taking communion when your heart is not right and you are pursuing sin. But nothing was sacred to him. Nothing.
The first scripture you read was one that I came across recently. I instantly thought of it as being about Narcisist's, because it describes them so well!
Thank you for all you do. You have helped me so much!
Thank you for this. You were right on. As a Christian minister and a former abused empath, I could not agree with you more.
Great job Jill, right on target. There are many Bible references concerning narcissism. James (chpt. 3 i believe) talks about envy and selfish ambition (which of course also describes narcissism). This wisdom comes from beneath (debase, of the lowest nature) is earthly, sensual, demonic. Jezebel and Ahab were also examples of covert and overt narcissism. Jezebel being the over aggressive brazen vindictive evil one, Ahab being the weak, bellyaching, selfish victim and coward, working in conjunction with each other for the sheer purpose of evil and selfish gain at any cost including the lives of innocent people. Many verses in the Psalms (35 for one off the top of my head) and Proverbs also. The tares among the wheat are also the planting of the devil's agents among the good. New testament also tells us in the last days evil men and seducers will become worse and worse, and we are witnessing just that.
My parents put me though hell and they were Christians then I would marry my narc husband and he was a Christian to I was so naïve I left him 5 months ago and I was married to him 33 years it just me and my god and dog now and I’m finally healing and finding peace and freedom
Glad You brought this up, very important! 😘
God draws us to the cross. We all need him.
I agree that the bible directly addresses the characteristics of narcissism. My first exposure to narcissism occurred when I was a kid through a high control organization masquerading as Christianity. And, in my opinion, religion creates a perfect environment for a narcissist to act out.
Religion seems like a blueprint for narcissism to me.
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@@dougarnold7955No at least for true Christianity where Jesus's life embodies the antithesis of narcissism .
@@deborahp7500 Hi. Thanks for the reply. A lot of the sayings attributed to Jesus, (the sayings are written by others after the fact) ...are actually very narcissistic. There's many examples of gaslighting and word salad and scapegoating and love bombing. Those principles, because they are taken by so many as from god actually enable narcissistic types to abuse. It's gone on and on for generations right from the start.
@@dougarnold7955 thanks for replying. Are you talking about passages from the Bible attributed to Jesus? If so I would love it if you could provide some actual examples of narcissistic intent.
Thank you for sharing this! I did meet my ex narc at a bible study. 32 years later, so much deceit and pain under the guise of Christianity
A radical religious upbringing since birth is what took away any experience of love and nurturing that I deserved to have been given. After going through life making choices based on complete falsehoods, at age 75 I am finding truth and my authenticity. I have found a spiritual connection with God that doesn’t require any organized religion or anyone’s interpretation of anything that determines who I should be or what I should believe!! Even the devil quotes scripture to support his purposes. Thank you, Jill!
My narcissistic ex-boyfriend used to say "Do unto others before they do unto you."
Very very good! I appreciate this!
This absolutely excellent! Thank you!
Great video and verses, Jill. Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go. Proverbs 22:24 Wish I’d known. Do not leave your vulnerable, precious children or pets with these people. They are enveloped by an evil spirit. KNOW the signs of sexual abuse. They will destroy their own children to hurt you. Please, I implore you to seek your creator and to know and believe his Word.
Great video! I like how you broke this down.
This video is amazing! I knew God would reveal all to me! My faith is atrenghtened and, my prayers have been answered! God does not intend for any of His children to go through this type of evil in this world. The Holy Word confirms this! Thank you so much!😊❤🙏
Im very impressed and agree with you 100%.
Thankyou Jill for your videos!! They really help us the victims.
How fascinating!! Thank you for drawing my attention to this.
God Bless
Thank you for this inportant, direct, and related topic. I used proverbs to learn to forgive myself and learn it was right to walk away. The Bible has and will forever be my counselor. Every answer to any question is in that Book. Best to memorize if they ever take His Word away.
I would take this a step further and lift the blame or the burden off the kindhearted victim - as the first definition of “naive “ is - honest !! We are HONEST ( the “naive”) and that is a virtue and honorable way to be - it is the WiCKED ( the sinners!!) who sold their soul and exploit our kindness and “naïveté “ - our honesty. That behavior is truly the mark of the ...dark side!... We should learn our lesson - but never lose that kind loving heart ♥️ as it is a source of true power of Our Lord Jesus Christ 🙏♥️💪 and that is what the Narcissit fears most. Anyone who claims to be a “Christian” but hurts others with premeditation is a false believer...”By their deeds you shall know them”Amen🙏♥️✝️💪🔥
WOW! That is well said.
Thank you Jill. Very good. For lack of articulation, thank you. Thank you for loving humanity. Thank you for your work. Thank you. Great video.
Continue preaching this word! I have been looking for a biblical view on narcissism for a year and just came across this! These verses you share are sooo powerful, because the Word is powerful. Thank you!
Very impressed that you articulated that there are people within the church who are narcissists. I was aware that sociopaths often inhabit he church, but what you have said about narcissists must also be true, and you are the first I've heard say it. And you said it very well too.
I actually started searching the internet for narcissists and demons. I was wondering if they could be the devils helpers...haha
Absolutely
I read the verse about God hating divorce ,I cried until I soaked the page with tears .I was hearing these words in my head 1 you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free ,you built you house on the sand and am going to flood ,get out and build your house on the rock ,When I told them ,they said I was going crazy .I left and its been 2 years ,I was humiliated ,recieving death threa ts
Thank you i've been searching for something like this for a while. Amazing thank you very much
Well said ! The Bible says to guard our hearts for a reason ♥
I love your channel. People that are doing what you do, many times do not know the impact that you have on others.
I’m here to express to you that you have helped me in so many ways. The strength that you have given me is phenomenal. May the blessings of our Lord continue to shine on you so you may continue to bless and help others as you have done for me. Thank you so much. Especially for this particular video. 🥰
Soooo TRUE!!! I'm dealing with an EXTREME narcissist RIGHT NOW! Run as fast as you can away from them!!!
Locking forward to it and its an important outlock! 🙏
What God commands us is to believe on His Son. Thats it. We know we love God because He loved us first.
Not in his existence...In his teachings. And Christians does not do that, they follow Paul teachings. Not Jesus'
@@dw1-norskgaming923 Wierd bro, really wierd
@@frankcrawford416 I know... But of course it makes perfectly sence to destroy the teachings of the son of God.
And it was done...
That is why so few will find the way. It is narrow...
Have you considered the possibility that 'gods son' ...is a narcissistic construct?
@@dougarnold7955 He is not acting like a narcissist thought... And many more books than the bible, confirm his existence...
I'll tell you one thing l struggle with as a Christian is "Slander." I've kept his Abusive Secrets locked up tight for Decades. I'm not doing it Anymore. It's a Lawsuit and people can think lm being petty gossip if they want!
Mathew 10:36 "..and a mans foes shall be they of his own household". I just saw the 1956 hollywood film "The Bad Seed" and it is a theme that examines incarnate evil. My older brother and mother, they were the narcs in my life that defeated me. My dad was, too. Thank you for this post. I'm just waking up to this stuff. Awesome!! I need help. I'll email you. Thanks again, Jill.
Thanks again Jill. Your videos are fantastic!!
Beautiful Jill! Love the video subject 💗🖖🦋
Excellent video
Excellent! Going to follow you! Thank you.
I’m so glad you did a video on this! I’ve been looking for something that addresses this question 🙂
You look stunning in that shirt and your new hair.
This is so validating. For years I was so confused. The worst narcissistic abused I ever endured was from an Evangelical pastor. He got his supply from his followers and congregants. He was manipulative, controlling and mean to me
Another awesome 🤩 video Jill!
I was actually just thinking about this topic not too long ago glad You made this video another great find
Yep the first scripture and the spirit of Jezebel.
The Blessed Mother Mary is a perfect exemple for women
The jezebell spirit
Right. It was all spelled out for us. To the letter.
You are so right in reference to possibly meeting a narcissist at church... that's exactly what happened to me. Thanks for sharing this .❤️
Thank you for your thoughts. You used the scriptures very well.😊😊
Thank you for the Scriptural references. I believe you hit the mail on the head!
And may I also mention that this applies to ANY leader of organized religion, including Christianity.
Jill. What you are saying is so accurate! I just found out my own children are saying I drink alcohol and get drunk. Both of my children are alcoholic as was their father who has died. My siblings, biological father and many other relatives were alcoholic. A judge told me to have nothing to do with my son ever again when he was 19. I went to court to act on his behalf. The judge had the clerk spend a couple of hours with me to convince me that I did not know my son and that he had been playing me for years. I insisted I knew my son because they gave me no information proving that I did not. I described my son to the clerk and she said ¨that is who you are, not who he is.¨ My son was placed in my care. I stated I would see that he fulfilled the requirements of the court. The judge said he would hold me personally responsible for any crime he committed. Then said, do you still want to take him home? I said an emphatic yes! The man who ran the classes my son attended after court informed me that he felt connected to me right away, but had no idea who my son was. He asked my son who bought him his shoes, packed his lunch, drove him there, picked him up, bought his shirt, etc. My son said I did. I was right there. This man also thought I did not know my son. I went to a therapist about this who happened to know my son. She said your description of your son is really a description of you. Your son is nothing like you. I do not have any idea how much more my son, daughter and an alcoholic I dated twice can smear me. I do not drink, take drugs, and the only medication I have ever been on is Albuterol on bad air days. How could I be so dumb and loyal and not know my own children? My daughterś in-laws tried to tell me I did not know her and I did not know what they were talking about. They were always really nice to me. The brother-in-law had a lot of therapy and could see what was going on. I just loved my kids and was in denial as to who they were. It says in the Bible not to trust people, but to put your faith in the Lord. Jesus is in my life and I will get through the full realization of all of this eventually.
Wow could that be a generational curse?? Incredible how many alcoholics
GREAT VID! ❤️🙏🏾
Awesome video, Jill, and very thorough as well.
Literally a Good (empath) vs evil (narc) situation. THANKYOU for these scriptures. It’s important to share. God Bless You! 🙏🙏🙏 My mother is a narcissist who uses her Christianity as a weapon. It’s a very ugly thing.
Nice job, Jill!! Love this video and love the truth of the Bible. How I wish I had heeded God’s word. I pray others do. Do not marry someone with anger issues. If you did, I implore you, DO NOT leave your defenseless, vulnerable, precious children or pets with these people. They will brutally destroy their own children, (through emotional, physical, verbal and/or sexual abuse) while quotting scripture, intentionally to spite you and/or because their hearts are incredibly dark. Proverbs 22:24 Make no friendship with an angry man; and with a furious man thou shalt not go. Please know the signs of sexual abuse inside and out and neglect if you’re divorced from a narcissist. Please!!!
I 100% agree with you Jill
Your absolutely right dear. Thank you for all of the work that you do .many blessings to you. 😄😄😄😄😄🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏💖💖💖💖💖💖💖
I cannot read the Bible anymore and stay sane. The supernatural changes are crazy. The effect is real. Hold on to your hats, you’re going to see them too.
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Lucy - I'm aware if the changes also. However...I still read it.
This surely isn't old earth.