NuFinish - Old bottle vs new - did the formula change? Lets find out!
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- You asked for it - so here it is! The 2016 bottle was in my 34 way test and it lasted well over a year in that test. The 2018 bottle lasted less than 90 days in my 42 way test. So I purchased another bottle in July of 2020 and we are going to put this to rest as to if NuFinish has changed their formula or not!
I had reached out to NuFinish and as you 'll see in the video, they say that the FORMULA HAS NOT CHANGED - let's find out if it has!
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Love it, showing the entire process, the bottles with batch numbers, color difference with a white background, double temp guns, a very detailed video that addresses major doubting points. Thank you for the videos, wish I am closer to Tyler (I’m in Dallas). Big fan of your videos.
Thank you. Plan on doing more videos like this soon!
The lack of views on your videos is a crying shame.
Need to share it more!
You do better?
Hands down, the best real world detail product testing on CZcams!!
I have a Reed Union bottle and I agree that it does seem to last a long time. I haven't tried the Energizer blend and I don't think I will if this test doesn't turn out well. I love how private testers are trying to keep big corporate honest. People vote with their wallets everyday and I'll wait to see where my next vote goes!
I'm very impressed with your detailed investigation. Kudos.
Interesting that the original NuFinish had ceramic microbeads and was sold for about $8/bottle. Now ceramic products are the “new technology” and sold at greatly inflated prices.
But it did not have the durability of the new products. Even when the water repellency fails on the coatings, the protection against UV light and oxidation is still present. You pretty much have to polish those off to remove it. New Finish is just a sealant that lasted longer than the others
Good point.
Scott! This content is great! Cant wait for more.
Great approach Scott, this was very interesting.
Thankyou and good luck for the future 👍
Glad you enjoyed it
This will be another interesting hood :) Love your vids.
Thanks. I am 71 and been using Nu Finish since was a kid. Always loved it and all my vehicle have shined. Dude once asked me if I detailed my car to trade it. I told him no my cars always look like that. November 2020 bought a new black Silverado RST Z71 and my wife keeps reminding me it is a truck because I keep it so clean.
Hell yeah, Tyler. Funny, I watch so many videos then hear one is from the same town it's always a nice surprise. Thanks for the video.
Absolutely! 👍🏼
Thanks for this, looking forwards to seeing the outcome of this.
If you do another large group test, could you test out some popular good Sealants, such as the turtlewax seal n shine and the ceramic version, among others? I want to see which one seems the best for durability. If so that would be amazing!
Looking forwards to these really in depth videos, this went far beyond what I imagined for this video! Thanks!
I'll just add that age absolutely thickens and darkens the product. And increased warnings does not equal increased danger or changes to the product. Asbestos used to be considered safe.
After Consumer Reports recommended Nu Finish back in the '80s, I started using it religiously. In about 2005, I was converted to Zaino Bros. Nu Finish seemed to be too old school, and I found it to be more work and did not at all last the full year it claimed while Zaino was a bit easier to remove and looked better. I'm not going back to Nu Finish, but I'm fascinated as to what you'll find from this test. Thanks, Scott!
Your work is amazing!!
Thank you. I am now a subscriber. Top notch.
Scotty Kilmer always recommends this. I hated this as I have 2018 Energizer versions that doesn’t hold up for more than 2 weeks. Great investigation!
After all these years, unlike other company lquid wax cleaners, the NuFinish bottle still does not have a popup cap on top with a very small opening to precisely put what you want on the applicator for less waste - especially if you knock the bottle over!
I just love when company technical support lies and gets caught. Thanks for doing this test. I purchased the product about a year ago and it failed in a few months. I’m calling and asking for a refund.... 1 year protection my A**. Very similar experience with new vinyl. In the late 70’s it put ArmorAll to shame when used on my vinyl tops for water durability. Now it’s pretty much gone inside the interior in a few weeks.
Absolutely. It's sad when that kind of stuff happens. Ruined a good thing.
I use this excellent polish on my motercycles and wow,magic shine that lasts.
Nicely done Scott. Love the overconfidence of Energizer lol. They might regret that
Agreed
So update, little off subject with the nufinsh. I had the tan color stuff a while back. Im a disabled combat veteran who as in one of his other videos stated im not knowledge able in car detail and fell pray to nexgen. I called them out on Instagram asking what they had to say about the 30 day crap fest and sure enough they removed and blocked me. Thank you for what you do. Keep up the awsome work. Saving ppl frustration, anger and most of all regret. Thank you sir.
You are very welcome, and thank you for your service!
They blocked me long ago!
Scott....great videos. You say what is needed to say but you don't ramble on and on like so many others with their detailing related videos!......Thanks
Thanks for a very detailed review. That said I noticed that when you applied the Nu Finish the amount of polish left on the surface seemed to diminish as you reached the end of the panel. This only makes sense as the amount of polish on the applicator diminishes as you progress across the hood surface. That said wouldn't it make sense when doing the second application to reverse the direction? Thus the amount of Nu Finish would tend to equalize. The way you applied the Nu Finish it seems all but certain that there would be more applied at the start point and less at the finish point? As to the SDS sheet it would not surprise me if the reason for the increased warning level had less to do with changing contents than changing Federal Safety standards. And many petroleum based products would merit the same sort of warnings. Probably not a good idea to drink Nu Finish or use it to wash your hands but I'm guessing that the Feds follow the "Better Super Safe Than Sorry" philosophy.
Nice job on testing especially the data sheets
So they could be telling the truth: Energizer are using the same formula they received, it's just that the formula was changed before they received it. Also, just to play the devil's advocate: could the standards for what goes into the MSDS be what actually changed, not the formula itself? I don't think that's particularly likely, but worth taking a moment to think about/rule out.
Good point
Yeah, from the SDS comparison this sounds like Reed-Union changed formulas in the last year or two, probably to help the books look good (profitable) before selling. Unfortunately, this happens during buyouts. Energizer is using the same formula they were given, but that's not the original
@@zinger565 agreed. I guess their representative is telling a half truth then. It hasn't changed since Energizer bought them out (or did it?), But it definitely has changed since the reed-union days.
Excellent video. I just bought my first bottle of Nu Finish last week. I did the hood of my A6 tonight, outside the garage thank God. This shit is nasty! I wish I wore disposable rubber gloves-which I have when I used this caustic crap tonight. I will be wearing my gloves whenever I do any sort of detailing from now on
Good job cant wait for the results lol
I used Nu Finish once. Left swirls and streaks. Went back to turtle wax. Excellent video by the way. 👍
Watching your video shows me how this Nu Finish is supposed to be used. I clambered my 2001 Acura Integra... then I used NuShield. It looks like I may have to use a more aggressive polishing compound before. The finish looks pretty decent on some panels, but the roof and wing and hood probably need a heavier compound to polish it.
Howdy from Lake o' the Pines! I used Nu-Finish for years when painting houses for realtors in the Longview area to restore the sheen to older fiberglass shower/tub units. Never told them what I used since they thought it took considerable effort due to amount I charged for that. A while back I checked out a website where a man was restoring damaged/missing clear coat by using several applications of Nu-Finish. Was curious to know more about that method now that I own a '05 Black Dodge Neon that my son in Tyler gave me since the Dodge dealers wouldn't give him jack as a trade-in due to milky & crumbly areas in the clear coat. I noticed that the white spots turned black when wet with rain so was considering to apply a few coats of thinned bleached shellac to a few areas to see if that would give them a wet look. If not, then I can remove it using straight ammonia (and probably take off the failed clear at the same time).
Thank you so much for this video متشکرم از شما آقای محترم
I'll wait to pass judgement but it doesn't look good. I always liked the product. Thanks for all your time and efforts.
I had a bottle that turned to a water like solution, It had been inside the house for the last three years (it's life). It could not be recombined, it stayed in a separation state no matter how much you shook the bottle. In the trash it went, it was my favorite wax....
What is your opinion of meguiars ultimate compound cause you know our here in Amarillo Texas you get the dirt and sun to extremely mess your paint up so what can I use to help this poor 98 Dakota with a red paint job.
Good job Scott. They shouldn't be able to get away with lying about it like that. There should be some repercussions for the dishonesty
Agreed. Dishonest.
Very cool!!! but dam now we wait for 2 years 😂 thank you for doing this you’re awesome🙏
I use it every quarter , if I get any on the door handles use peanut butter and microfiber and its good
What is interesting is I purchased a bottle of Nu Finish towards the end of last year (2019) from Walmart (League City, TX) and it is a Reed-Union labeled bottle. No copyright dates, only batch number and stock number.
It seems that there are several older bottles on store shelves still out there. That explains how I got an old one in 2016... But the "off white" color would mean it is 2010 or older.
Have a 15-20 year old bottle of Nu Finish, going to have to test it on a panel to see how the old formula does. I just figured it was oversold junk.
Very interesting video
Extremely well made video. Your passion and attention to detail is amazing.
The takeaway here is not necessarily that the formula has changed. The reporting requirement for the MSDS have almost certainly changed. What is classified as a carcinogen, teratogen may have changed. The potential penalties for under-reporting may have changed, so that corporations take a more "throw the kitchen sink at it" disposition. The civil legal environment may have changed - to ward off lawsuits, the company slaps all sorts of hazards on the MSDS. These sorts of changes are LIKELY to have occurred. Changes in color/consistency/smell are perfectly consistent with a product aging in a bottle. Having said this, it may be that the formula has changed, but as careful as this presenter sounds, it is no substitute for a lab analysis. A few hundred dollars invested would provide all sorts of compositional detail. I doubt that new Nu Finish is truly hazardous. Here's a tip - where rubber gloves, work outdoors and enjoy your beer. I look forward to viewing whether the product's PERFORMANCE has changed. I buy the stuff to keep my car shiny, not to sleuth whether there have been formulaic tweeks over the years.
You may want to do a similar test with Liquid Glass. Two versions of Liquid Glass appear to be in the marketplace now being sold. MPT claims to owns the rights to the name Liquid Glass. However, they do claim it's a new formula and marketed as LG900. The same old familiar Corvette is on the container but it's now in a plastic bottle. Advance Auto Parts is marketing the familiar metal container can version with a modern day Corvette but it states the manufacturer is CFPI for Liquid Glass. However, CFPI does list the familiar LG100 reference on the label which is what the old formula used. Some claim the new Corvette look container is the old formula but others claim it's a different formula too. Which do we believe?
Hey Scott...is there a current product that works like the original formula Nu Finish?
Quick note. I do not recommend using this on the front of black vehicles with rock chips. Did my daughters car. And man it highlighted all the rock chips because of the white dye.
Wow. Good to know!
So, Scott which version is least toxic and which one do you recommend?
I think I have a bottle from 2015 if you'd like a sample or what's left of it. May be good for some lab tests, 2 old bottle s vs 2 newer bottles.
Thank you for the offer but I should be good.
Sweet of you ☺🤟🏻
Have U used perfect it by 3M for the
Final cut?
Wait, you didn't do the light test after the nufinish polishing
Hi Scott. I've heard nefinish works well on auto glass for water repellency and to help wipers glide more freely. Have you ever tried it on glass? I find RainX is not what it used to be and was thinking of switching to nufinish. What are your thoughts on the subject? Perhaps you might host a product shoot-out on a glass panel. RainX vs nufinish vs...
It works great on the windshield and I like it much better than RainX. RainX causes the blades to chatter when it starts to wear off, so you feel like an addict constantly in need of a "fix". NuFinish just sort of fades away and you can redo it whenever you want, without the chattering penalty. The clay in the NuFinish also does a good job of lifting contaminants from the glass.
Very cool set of test Scott. Have you used or tested the Avalon King Armor Shield iX ceramic coating yet?
Not yet but Avalon King is one that will probably be in an upcoming test. Highly requested.
Thanks for all your efforts! Btw you don't have a gloss measuring tool?
That is about the only tool I don't own!
@@ScottHD bout time you get one!
You think the new version of Nufinish is bad for you? Try these new nano coatings in the 30ml glass bottles pick you brand... They are wwaayy worse than NuFinish... check the MSDS's yourself. Stay away from them unless your basically in a full hazmat suit.... Yet people that use these products don't even wear gloves or a respirator 🤔
Now THAT'S CRAZY😎
good job... I also used the 2018 batch in 2019 did not last very long. 3-4 months
Thank you! Yes let's get to the bottom of this!
I feel for you! It's been 30-35 C every day here this summer and it's killing me as a mobile detailer. I can't imagine being in temperatures up to 40 C like you have in Texas! I hope it's not humid there. As for the product, I think you nailed it, it's not the same stuff anymore. Just the fact it went from a level 1 flammable product to a level 4 tells a lot. For the toxicity it's hard to say because I think you are right about the tests being more strict now so it might have been just as toxic back then and people did not know. Will be following this test with great interest. I don't use Nu Finish for the simple reason that it stains trims. Otherwise I would probably have used it.
Oh it is quite humid here in east Texas. West Texas is hotter but more of a desert.
Why do manufactures destroy their brand by changing their formula to possibly save a penny?
The “new” nufinish does not perform as well. I didn’t get two weeks out of my last application earlier this summer. The remainder of the bottle is going in the trash can.
What songs did you use during the NuFinish application?? (The instrumentals?)
I like the ‘em
Thanks! I'll have to go back and get the names. They are from the youtube audio library.
So here is a question. If we take it as a given that the product has changed for the worse, does this also apply to the paste version in the can?
That I'm not 100% sure of. If I can find some pre-2015 or pre-2012 paste, I'll definitely go for testing it.
Hi Scott. New to your channel. I’m liking your test videos. That’s a huge help for us auto detailers. But I’m noticing some thing. In this video and the video of the f-150 work truck. Are you washing in between each pass ? Or using what we call the 50/50 mix. 50% water 50% alcohol
We don't use any alcohol with our washing.
Dam Don’t think you want to use the new stuff if you wax cars every day
Did Bill Gates help them out with the new ingredients
NuFinish "The twice a year car polish"
Well... if it fails within 3 months it's more like the 4 to 6 times a year car polish LOL!
The two newer ones don't say Made In U.S.A. either!
After watching this, I am going back to using car wash with soap and wax in it since the car gets dirty in a week or less. Thanks for the video.
Hey Scott...is there another current product that has similar results as the original Nu Finish?
Store bought, probably turtle wax ice line of products
Nice background music can you post them especially the first one is good
Can you compare the soft paste version to the bottle stuff? The Soft paste definitely requires major elbow grease. Always loved this stuff as it lasts a long time. Excellent video BTW. NuFinish ought to pay you for product research
It's on my long list. I can make it happen eventually. Trying to get through all off these large scale tests I'm starting (more trim coatings, glass coatings, graphene products, etc)
I genuinely think it's a similar formula, I just think the paste allows you to get more uses out of it.
I have used nu finish for years and can attest that it used to be tan in color for sure, I don't think your 2016 bottle is aged out yet, I remember having kept one for way too long and it separates if I remember correctly.
I had the can version at one time and it to separated and dried out so i went to the bottle version no issues
Question, were can we find the older version of Nu Finish?
Yard sales, or post a wanted to buy add on marketplace or Craigslist.
Scott, why didn’t you have an independent lab compare the content of each bottle? That would have told us quickly if the formulas are the same or not.
I will check into that!
@@ScottHD They won't do that for anyone except for the product's manufacturer.
@@billwilson3609 figures. That stinks
@@ScottHD They can't since that would violate patent laws. As for the formulas, those could be the same and the new company is just using a different trade name for each listed component. One can find their various trade names by looking up their CAS number. The oldest batch listed petroleum distillates (Stoddard Solvent). That's refined from naphtha and was used for dry cleaning. The newer batches list naphtha and it may have the same CAS # as Stoddard solvent. Their clay beads may be the same ceramic beads since ceramics are made from clay.
@@billwilson3609 that’s bogus. 100% bogus. We do it for engine oil manufactures all the time. A patent is a copy law not a biometrics and composition law. Btw ceramics are made from quartz not clay. U are thinking of pottery ceramics not silica ceramics
Well it's my opinion that current MSDS's (SDS's) are not what you would think they are intended to be. While they do contain pertinent information, they tend to over state hazards and risks in CMA language of lawyers. For example, read a NaCl SDS and tell me if you want to touch it much less eat it. By the way, NaCl is table salt. The problem is even after reading them, you are not sure what the legitimate risks are. As years pass, more chemicals are listed as hazardous. Whether the actual formulation has changed or the required chemical reporting has changed is anyone's guess without further testing. Your results can give further insight. I guess you could say the MSDS can be taken with a grain of salt.
I used it in y 80s I tried on my rv. and on my motor bike. Did not like it don't have the shine I liked
Jeep wagoneer hood? Like a 84?
One of your viewers must have access to an hplc or TOF lab system to analyze them....
BTW the copyright is for the bottle. Those dates have nothing to do with what's inside!
Good point. They just hadn't renewed or changed the copyright. Based on the color alone that tells me the bottle is probably 2012 or older. (Since SDS says the color changed from off white to white in 2012)
I have an older bottle.....it works. Reed-Union is the one that works. It was Ceramic Coating before IT became a thing. Ceramic microspheres! Sad that I'll have to find a new product when my bottle is empty.
100%! You are spot on. Nu Finish (Reed Union) was THE thing to have for many years!
Hi, new subscriber here! Great work on this, really appreciate your attention to detail. I wonder if the recipe hasn’t actually changed but the laws reporting toxicity have. So the first materials sheet did not by law, have to report all the ingredients and their effects. But through time, you see that as the laws change, there are actually super toxic ingredients in the formula that must be revealed to the user. Just a thought.
I was thinking the same...but that wouldn't explain the viscosity ,color and durability difference.
the active ingredients did change. as well as the laws
Shame Energizer. Thought of getting some nufinish for this summer car care. Not thinking that anymore
My cat licks the hood with the new one ..old one he couldn't he slid off before licking..
Scott if you vote against using NuFinish product, then what in the world to use??? ~ we need to protect car paint somehow from the elements!! ~ so what year are you saying to use??
looks like a Crown Vic hood
You know, you're right. It very well could be. It's HEAVY whatever it came off of.
Can I use this over my ceramic coating?
I would not recommend it
Space age polymers huh....thanks for this, I've been die hard for over 30 year's, but I truly only use it maybe 2times a year. But hell bout to trash the bottle now.
I checked out my bottles and they were all the old ones (Reed Union).
Use those and you should be much better off!
I think its the age that made the color sir.
Scott, have you tried NuFinish paste?
I have but probably 20+ years ago.
Scott H, would be interesting to see if there is a difference in durability, thx!
I only use Nu Finish to polish my windows. It’s outstanding for that.
COULD the age of each product matter?
It is possible, but they do stay in a completely sealed bottle in a heated and cooled shop.
Do you ever rub polishes between your thumb nails to check the abrasives?
I don't remember ever seeing Nu Finish as tan as the first bottle. It's always been white.
...of the 3 bottles I've bought maybe a decade ago.
(I've switched to the Maguire's Gold Class polish, and I'm giving that Turtle Wax ceramic spray a try as a topper.)
I've used this on my fiberglass shower-bath tub for 40 years, so far so good..bare hands, bare feet, and all ... lol
Nice!
whoa! careful on bare skin! can cause cancer!!
Ok… I surrender says the paint
Has nothing to do with the ingredients changing. Under U.S. law, there several situations in which or supplementing the Office's record of your work is beneficial (or, in the case of termination of transfer, ).Apr 25, 2018 Of course it looks and smells different, it's older and may have been stored differently.
Chrysler Laberon 1986 non turbo model.
I guess newer doesnt meen better. Oldies are goodies.
the investigative journalism in 2021, this is awesome.
Highest educated detailer on YT
Old stuff
NU Finish is garbage. So many better products out there