Why British Armed Police 'Would Rather Shoot Terrorists Than Gangsters'
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- čas přidán 19. 06. 2024
- In this episode of Crime Suspect, the topic of the intense scrutiny on armed police officers' use of fatal force iis discussed. The Metropolitan Police Commissioner, Sir Mark Rowley, has called for urgent reforms to make things fairer for officers who can face years of scrutiny over their handling of life and death incidents. The issue at hand is whether this scrutiny is making it impossible for armed police officers to do their jobs effectively and if it is compromising public safety.
The discussion centred around the fact that armed police officers face extensive legal backlash and scrutiny when involved in fatal incidents. In contrast, there have been six terrorists shot dead in four major incidents in London since 2017, and not a single firearms officer was arrested or subjected to long probes by the Independent Office for Police Conduct. The question then arises: why should armed police officers face more scrutiny than those dealing with terrorists?
One argument is that the current level of scrutiny restricts armed police officers from using their powers properly. The fear of legal consequences and years of investigation can prevent them from effectively facing suspects who may be armed. The process of scrutiny, which involves discipline, inquiry, inquest, and criminal proceedings, can take years to complete, leaving officers on restricted duties and unable to use their firearms in the meantime.
Former armed police officer, Tony Long, who has faced extensive scrutiny and stood trial for the murder of Azelle Rodney before being acquitted, shared his experience. He explained how the scrutiny affected him and questioned whether it was fair. Long's case highlighted the issue of timing and the need for more efficient and quicker scrutiny in investigations.
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The UK is in desperate need to return to law and order. We can not allow the government to continue on this road to disaster
plod are there to micro manage lawlessness
@@HenryHobson-uc2bkDefo 😊
The Government are the most corrupt and violent gang though
@@HenryHobson-uc2bk Amongst themselves?
I agree there is no law and order in the UK under the current Prime Minister
Sorry but if you decide to break the law, shoot at police and then you're killed then I feel sorry for the police officers involved. Is there ant wonder that there's so much disrespect for authority when you have senior officials siding with the criminal?
She is the perfect example of someone who has never been in a 'do or die' situation, making judgments on someone who has, and has seconds to make a decision that will change lives forever. Criminals have the choice to surrender peacefully or not. They decide the outcome of these incidents.
So you’ve never been on the end of a machine gun held by tactical police they are total nob heads the lot of them
@@vanillagorrilla And if you shooting back at them it will explain why you full of holes.
In every instance YOU and nobody else was responsible for escalating the situation.
@@153SCORN that’s the most SHEEP comment I ever heard go bleat somewhere else woolly man …….i was held at gun point because I looked like my neighbour btw …….but still got a broken jaw for absolutely nothing……oh and 42k compensation
@@vanillagorrilla They don’t have machine guns.
@@DD-iy7ss who don’t?
Looks like the same guy is committing all these crimes in the UK.
Most time a policeman pulls the trigger it’s a split second decision !!!! If your own organisation doesn’t stand behind you 😱 now we know why so many firearms officers and handing their guns back , don’t blame them 🙏
The lady sat next to the firearms officer can't even look at him , you can tell she doesn't even want to be in the same room as him .
She has a lot of respect among police officers!
@@greatgatsby6953nobody respects the British police
These police firearms incidents of course should be investigated but much more of the onus needs to be on the criminal suspect, they need to realise, they need to carefully comply with armed officers for instructions or they run the very real risk of being shot, for an armed officer to have to make split second life and death decisions, where to hesitate could mean his death is not the way to go. I want the police to do their job and the public to support them, it's the police not doing their job I can't tollerate
How on earth did that woman get to detective superintendent?!
Oh yeah…. Fast tracked no nothing.
Please let us know😂😂😂.
We need to get the 'Grievance Studies' graduates out of the Police FORCE, and restore it to what it used to be. Notice how this female senior police officer's first instinct is 'relativist': denying that there is 'right' and 'wrong'. From what is said here, she prefers to describe the shot criminal as "someone's son"; rather than a "wrong-un". Why is that? What kind of 'fast-track' educational indoctrinational pathway did she follow to get her qualifications? Perhaps she received 'training' from COMMON PURPOSE? This is the mentality which refuses to deal with Pakistani Muslim rape-gangs, and cannot define what a 'terrorist' is.
As a British Sikh I 100% agree with you and thank you for not saying Asian grooming gangs because they are 99% Muslim grooming gangs
@@darthwaffleass696 Thank you so much for responding. Even though in the rural West Country, we know that Sikh girls were often the target for these sub-humans. What the victims were not allowed to be was Muslim. That would bring 'dishonour'.
Well said
She is one of the D.I.E. hires that have us in the situation we are in now. As she shakes her head.
Can you imagine being a firearms officer & have to work under her ? I feel sorry for everyone of them! Someone who shoots at the police potentially murdering one of them, gets shot at & gets chastised because he should have gave the shooter a teddy bear ? I shudder to think what a bad job she did throughout her career
Justice for gangsters victims! I blame Ronnie biggs and the krays for this nonsense of putting these scumbags on pedastools! What about Jack Mills? I bet none of you even know who he is yet his life was completely destroyed because of greed!
The criminal is someone's son, someone's loved one, yes, that may be true, what about the police officer that risks his life for a lousy paycheck, he has a family to. Like the police officer said, the man made a decision to be a criminal , therefor you risk getting injured along the way,. She wants to turn it around. You as a police officer should have known better etc.. uhuh. The criminal could also made another choice in life. Work for a living, raising a family, staying out of trouble. Law abiding citizens don't get shot by police officers. She has never been in any life threatening decisions, like Tony asked. In the last few years we are living in an upside world. The police is the one to be watched, and the criminal is the one who needs protection. Therefor crime is at an all time high. It's a very disturbing trend in Western countries.
My initial question here would be that when the protestors eventually arm themselves, and the first shot is fired, then how are the police going to respond to this ? It is a question of time before this dilemma actually happens but inevitable.
Or will it be the unvaxed in the future ?
@@paulatreides0777don’t be a drama queen
@@paulatreides0777the unvaccinated can think for themselves, it's the vaccinated who can't as you've just proven
@@keepingitreal618your memory appears to need jogging, do you not remember how we were treated during lockdown? Or are you one of those who are ashamed of how you behaved during that time and want to forget all about it?
Bollocks. Violent-Protesting has been around for decades & the worst of it was back in the 80s & those protestors weren’t armed:despite there being more legally-available guns to members of the public.
The trouble was:was that you had to get a license-application form, from the police: themselves.😉
If protestors did that:then the army would start to police uk-streets as they did in:Northern Ireland.
I had to defend myself against a guy trying to break into my 2nd floor flat back when no mobiles, I got into trouble because HE ended in hospital so this kinda stupid thinking doesn’t surprise me at all.
Well, defending yourself in the UK is not allowed! You will end up going to jail or pay for the perpetrators ptsd for the rest of your life!
Reasonable Force to defend your home and I for one will always do what is necessary,end of.
@@GanymedeXD I got 2 years probation & 100 hours community service, I was looking at 7 yrs for attempted murder
@@Man_fay_the_Bru Christ, what did you do to him??
The police have got to get out of the mindset of closing ranks and closing down any information where police have done wrong (or at least appeared to). All inquiries must be truly independent with members of the public on the panel!
What did the officer do wrong?
The police fed wanted to release the footage of the Kaba shooting, wouldn’t say that’s them closing ranks and closing down information.
Inquiries should be made up of people who know what the law is, people who don’t are of no use.
number of fatal shootings across england and wales:
2022: 3
2021: 2
2020: 3
2019: 3
2018: 1
and people are calling our police terrible? they not shooting some innocent 90 year old grandma, these are criminals who dont put their best foot forward and are potentially armed. fireamrs in uk arnt called for some low crime, if they are called these people are dangerous. Across all of england and wales 60 million people, barely a handful of them were killed by police. i think people need to get their priorities straight, go to US and see how many police fatal shootings there are. (not a dig at US)
Thin blue line? Only thin RED line. Do the history.
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Police aren’t tuff enough on uk gun crime
I think the men and women on our front line police are not paid enough for the amazing work they do every day
Who wants to put their lives on the line
And then face the scrutiny to which they get
Police aren’t doing an amazing job, if they were the streets of Britain would be safe
look at these clowns - no wonder criminals have no fear.
Enjoyed the show! Wish it was longer 👍
Imagine being an armed officer and knowing that if you do your job. Your getting ripped to shreds treated like a criminal by them above you. I'd be like here's your gun back give me a speed one please
They are only humans.😢
Excellent dichotomy of the situation faced by firearms officers!
Don't matter how much money a gangster has, they all live like tramps 😂
Investigation should go let me see body cam, I see the criminal had a weapon he was going to hurt a police officer, a firearms trained police officer, the said police officer shot him, hmm well done police officer. Well done boys n girls in blue 💙 you still have some public behind you.
Vote NF.....
National Front 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
What about the freemasonry side of Policing?
Really is there no thieves that are Freemasons. Where did that really come from.
Very chequered .mm.😮
Thank you Peter for your fascinating show.
I hope the gentleman who had his watch, brutally ripped from his wrist is recovering from his ordeal.
My question is, why do people go out into the street wearing expensive jewellery? I live in Johannesburg and here we know that if you display expensive phones, watches, or cameras, out in the street, there's a good chance that someone will relieve you of them. Nevertheless, this is a daily occurrence.
Now they know how members of the public feel when they're under violent attack and fail to defend themselves adequately because they're scared of the legal repercussions if their assailant gets hurt in any way.
Self defense? Thats not legal any more!
Imagine using The Sun editor....worst rag in history
Colleague stabbing the other in back sickening. Many parents believe their “children” are innocent….clearly not.
13:55 what the hell is the ex Detective Super on about? She’s effectively backing the criminals and pointing the finger at that ex Police officer for doing what he did. He shot him because HIS life choices got him there!!!
What was her argument? Seemed like the head shaking was her immediate emotional response rather than any rational thought for the situation the firearms officers were facing.
What has the police become when an Asian bird like this was a senior officer.
"I'm Firearms Incident Command Controller... I'm not Firearms Trained" WTF?😂😂 shouldn't firearms trained officers be the FICC?
I was quite surprised by that too. I get that she would have subject matter experts advising her, but I’m surprised that for that role you don’t have to have a firearms background.
Full on muppet
They should be,but firearms officers are volunteers.
Any senior-officer who makes command-decisions should be: an officer experienced in using firearms.
A minimum of three-years of carrying a gun on-duty:should be required.
Whether that’s on the: TSG,DPG,Flying Squad,Special Branch,Trident & other areas involving armed-roles.
She is talking nonsense. A borough superintendent wouldn’t be the firearms incident commander. On the ground the OFC or Operational Firearms Commander would be running it and he/she would be the armed sergeant with the firearms team. Above him is an inspector - TFc or Tactical Firearms Commander. This is an unarmed officer but who has been specifically trained in the role and manages firearms incidents (spontaneous and planned) full time. Working alongside them will be a number of firearms tactical advisors who are experienced firearms officers who help with planning. Above him is the SFC or Strategic Firearms Commander. A superintendent, again unarmed, but specially trained in making decisions and assessing risk in relation to firearms incidents and it is ultimately the SFC who will authorise the deployment of armed officers or not. The TFC will then develop and set the tactics, the OFC will then implement it and run the team.
I’m not Tony’s biggest fan but she has never had to make any form of split second decision and has never been in a life or death situation and so has no right to sit there shaking her head and talking to him like that.
Why is it always a kill shot
it's not
Thank goodness for the armed police! Leave them alone to do their job.
They should use ex armed officers when investigating ex British soldiers for alleged illegal shooting in N.I. etc instead of pen pushers taking out the investigation seeing as they follow a similar card for using lethal force
Firearms officers don't want to shoot anyone 😅
she is there over box ticking
Tony xix t go to work that day thinking ge would pull the trigger , police are there to keep us the public safe & Tony xond what he had to do. I dont even think Tony will ever recover from that day mentally , 100% behind Tony & I hope he knows many more are behind him.
This ex cop talks from his back door.
Nobody fired a gun at Tony long.
Hes a joke
The ex Det Super criticising the honest human feeling of the bloke who had to live it. It’s ruined. No wonder less and less are joining.
Peter blexley is a great guy who's straight down the line
9 seconds is a very long itme in firearm response
So was the person he shot armed and did they look like they intended to kill the armed officer by shooting at him mite be me but no one said anything apart from him killing a person that was in a vehicle. And they were upset it tuck 10 years to solve.
Arm police are abussive they kick the living shxt out of you my mate was dragged out of his car and beaten so badly he still has black eyes 6 years later he has genuine never looked the same they pulverised him and he didn’t do anything wrong they stopped the wrong person they thought he was someone else he sewed them for thousands rightly so
bollocks
@@nilekavan na bro that’s what ya mam takes allway the way down to the bxllocks
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@@nilekavan that was a joke aswell it’s all love 🤣👍
They dont want to bite the hands that feeds them.
We no where to find all the officers from this page 😂😂😂😂
I’m sure they are scared pal 😂
Using a firearm on a suspect is the last resort and a resort that most likely will not be necessary in the majority of situations.
We are a country without firearms readily available, unlike the u.s.a , therefore strict scrutiny is required of the officers who use their firearm on suspects.
I've seen F.A.O patrolling the streets of Manchester with their weapon at the ready position, similar to soldiers patrolling in Afghanistan. This is ridiculous on every level and just highlights the type of authoritarian personality who wants to be a F.A.O.
Firearms may not be 'readily available', but believe it or not, bad guys do sometimes have them. Whether a real firearm, reactivated or converted one, or even a 3D printed one.
As for your mental image of patrolling techniques, overt patrols are usually where intelligence suggests a potential threat, like a terrorist attack.
Ever heard of Borough Market? If AFOs weren't patrolling a certain area, response times would be so much slower
@@NB_2390 mental image you say. What are you talking about man.
@@NB_2390gun crime is extremely low compared to early 2000s, if a gun or knife is brandished fire away not a moment before, if surgeons botch an operation they r put under the Same scrutiny anyone in any other profession is put under scrutiny if they don’t perform why should police be different, I’ve seen ppl been fired for taking too many sick days off but police should be allowed to shoot unarmed people
Despite all the negative comments, this women commands a lot of respect among police officers!
Can't have mi5 's pets still alive to spill the beans.
A police officer only has 1/2 a second to shoot or be shot.
In some cases the police officer has the option of getting cover, in which they can say why did you not take cover and allow a situation to mature.
Cover should always be used!!! This gives, space, time and perspective as well as protection for a favorable outcome.
The issue is that when police are involved in a chase. They no longer have cover. Therefore they are compelled to act with deadly force the movement they see a gun in the hand. This is also the case in close quarters. As soon as physical aggression is made towards the police, then its just a matter of time before shots will be fired.
Another miss conception. Police are public servants. I believe the real answer is NO. Police are the enforcement of the law. No matter who you are, when you are in a confrontation with police. You are effectively in a confrontation with the law. The law is unyielding, its nobodies servant. (Protect and serve a violent criminal, this woman is out of her mind)
Another miss conception. Police are not obliged to protect. They can chose not to intervein, this means choosing not to use guns.
If we’re really honest, we don’t have a police firearm problem here. This is not America. Our police are incredibly incompetent in many other areas, I don’t think firearms is the main problem at all.
Guy went from living gta in real life to full accountability lmaooo now toys are getting thrown out the pram 🎉
Has the SUNS crime editor shat himself?
I was under the impression that armed officers went through additional rigorous psychological testing. If that is correct, then I would suggest that it's much less likely to see incompetence. I say this in comparison with regular police whose testing process seems wholly inefficient based on who slips through the net.
This matter is so sensitive they had to edit out many sections 😢
In my eyes if your that scared of accountability your either a dangerous cop or you shouldn't be a cop
What nonsense … they cannot do their job as they always fear legal repercussions … the public is not allowed to use self-defense … cops not allowed to use force either …
If I remember correctly wasn’t there a firearm in the car on the back passenger floor ? But it didn’t turn out to be real, how is that officer suppose to know with that if your holding what looks to be a real firearm and police are chasing you giving commands expect to end up in a forever box ⚰️
any police officer who talk about POWER need a recheck
I take it EDI helped her get the job' tick that box' It could mean that the police officers life there comrades lifes and public lives are in danger if they have to debate in there head' Should i shoot this bad person or will i get in trouble' who the heck would want to be a police armed officer..
Simple, the race card.
Shooting unarmed men is playing the race card, please explain
Yep , The Ace of Spades .
@@ashlibabbittcroakedit9108 Was Ashli Babbitt unarmed by any chance?
@@bluemoon5662 Was Ashli an American who was shot dead in America
@@ashlibabbittcroakedit9108 there was intel there was a gun in the car they are organised crime group members with a long history of violent offending, they didn’t comply with the armed officers instructions what do they expect to happen ???
So I suppose RT wasn’t that much of a party…
You guys are very soft and you are paying the price!
I'm just glad they're not killing some poor guy pulling out a vape!
Terrorists and gangsters, in some cases can be one and the same thing!!
People working in law enforcement are always between a rock and a hard place. Of course someone committing a crime is a human being. Nobody thinks otherwise 🤦♀️ but they make that leap into crime and will often be the reason for a dangerous situation. That is on them, not the police officer. I’m a bit tired of all this energy being put into an offender’s rights.
Yes because police get backlash from the courts and judges for doing their job. Their the ones responsible for making the police woke and not actually arresting and jailing people who should be jailed. Like the Rochdale grooming gangs. I said this for years if we had American police her for one week and had 5 huge prisons like El Salkvador have done, crime would go down by a good 85%ish, because there would be consequences for crime not like this, the police are useless, is security officers and Doorman are more protected than the police do prevent crime and we dont even have their powers. We still get backlash but more as a business than a government body.
Police officers held to account.
Officers investigated by
Officers.
Are we hwading for qualified emunity. We know how that works.
All firearms officers should put down their firearms for the next 4 weeks.
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Another Supt who shows how out of touch they are. This country is broken.
Wish Peter would drop the stupid line... You have the right to remain watching. Its feeble and frankly cringe.. Bad enough he insists on using that dramatised voice throughout.. Peter.. Chill and just speak as you would if having a conversation not like a narrator of a trailer for a thriller
Why am I getting an overload of police being attacked and shooting the attacker video's? Does the algorithm know more than I do?
Just pack your bags and get a flight and make a new home in another country. Dubai is great. And since moving here there is no personal income tax. Plus Ive seen no crime anywhere! And everyone loves the police here.
Yes the gangs have guns and British terrorists usually use knives so the police would rather win a gunfight against a knife than risk being shot at. Unless its a mentally ill individual with an air rifle at 3am even then it's centre mass rather than the targets legs.
What’s you trying to say here mate they the armed police are cowards ?
that police officer must think his a big tough guy now he killed someone all his fellow officers will be giving him great respect for pulling the trigger now he lives off a big fat pension with out a thought of the life he took he showed no regret is as if he had run over a cat or some think
You have no idea what you are talking about. TL suffered mental stress for over ten years because of this shooting. No AFO WANTS to pull the trigger, that's a final resort for when the subject leaves us no choice
Bath lol, I was homeless Nd they didn't let me in their nite shelter
R.I.P ENGLAND
13:42 hes learnt nothing silly silly man
British has become a joke
What a stupid law this is!.
look at Ben Dover, hahaha
When they say 'gangsters', do they just mean black men?
98% of police do not get found guilty of misconduct, fact.
Held to the highest standard my hole 😅
The publics perception of firearms officers has a lot to do with the way they conduct themselves. In the clips you have shown is the perfect example. They are all behaving like western gun slingers with pistols and ammo strapped to their thighs clasping their automatic rifles to their chests! then when they do go into action they are extremely assertive with the public who are not involved in any criminality! They appear to have no filter so they can distinguish the good from the bad! That attitude is widespread across the police in the UK when they are there to serve the people not to bully and intimidate!
Western gun slingers? This isn’t a personal choice, that is standard equipment for units that do rapid response work. They’re not trying to look a certain way, it’s about having equipment that allows you to do your job properly and respond to whatever situation they may face, be that armed criminals, terrorists or whatever.
When they “go into action” they’re extremely assertive because their job is aggressive, crowds act like sheep and need motivating to move sometimes to keep them safe. For the job they do aggressive people are actually desirable. Granted I’ve never been a firearms officer but I’ve done some similar stuff in the military. People need to realise that there are jobs within policing that require that type of attitude and a certain personality for it. The last thing Britain’s police forces should be doing now is bending the knee to even more minorities and snowflakes.
Please don’t call the police when you need them or is it you’ve had a few run ins
Oh what tosh. I’ve chatted to a pretty,female officer armed with a Heckler & Koch MP5:slung,across her chest.
I didn’t feel unsafe or scared.
It was like talking to a girl on the street.
I’ve met a pretty,Scottish MOD officer,armed with an SA80 assault-rifle.
Again, had a normal conversation.
I feel more scared in America than I do in Britain with armed-police.
Scrap the IOPC, Repeal PACE, Disband the CPS(and give charging power and Crown Solicitors back to Police), and get rid of bodycams
Our police force is falling appart ,look at holland and Austria and sweeden, and ireland job done .We are cotton wool nanny state .
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You can't ot will not stop Hamas' weekend week out. And now what with 2ctier policing you want sympathy! Jogvon.
The criminals better be Muslim extreme helmets
I remember when Mark Duggan was murdered by police "Sweet " was the officer's first word From there a riot engulfed the whole of England, sweet, eh 😊
He had a gun, play stupid games...
@lilyflower91 Mark was not a innocent man but the Police Officer was not his our anyone's Judge
He was a criminal, carrying a weapon,was known to be involved in gun crime and violence, but the race card was used
He could of course worked for a living,paid tax,and earned respect that way
But a certain group want easy money, and respect through fear
@russthebiker Mark was a criminal Yes as for earning respect that's a long story but who gave the firearms officer the right to Execute anyone
@@gullygullible9774 play silly games.ein stupid prizes
As an American the term “firearms officer” confuses me 😮💨🫤
This is propaganda nonsense this show.
well that makes them cowards don't it... go find a sissy job
What a shambles the Police have got themselves into. Throwing their toys out of the pram because they don't want to be held to account 😂😂
They are held to account they are investigated and scrutinised for years after the shooting by the IOPC
How arrogant that tony was he definitely joind up to shoot people hes mad he got prosecuted.
Far from arrogant- he is assertive, as a firearms officer should be
They just see a black boy shoot him and think thats fine cos hes a gangster, disgusting, if they have been shot at it’s understandable but they shoot out of judgement fear and arrogance