What if Russia Was Never Invaded in WWII?
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Oh look a video about World War II. So what if the Soviet Union wasn't invaded during the war? How would this have changed everything?
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Communism is a lie
I actually got this in my subscription box for once
david s no u
You showed the swastika in your old videos then why not now?
For the future. What if Nazi Germany never invaded Poland, no European ww2. Or No Pear harbour Japan never attacks america and concentrates on Dutch British and French colonies.
Replacing the swaztika with the CZcams logo is genius on many levels
13StJimmy it’s as genius as printing the McDonalds logo and writing “capitalism” over it
Its a hakenkreuz, but yes
Might be needed to keep the video from being banned in Germany. No swatzika's allowed. There's limited exceptions, but no one wants to come close to the limit.
Might also be needed to keep from being demonetized on CZcams,
Jon Nunn thays why its hilarious! CZcams censors free speech, Nazis censored free speech, they replaced the hakenkreuz with the CZcams logos, CZcams=Nazis. Its funny because they are actually hold Communist values, but act like Nazis, but censor anyone who says anything about Nazis that isnt vehemently negative 😂😂😂
Keegan Johnson yea this guy gets it
*Britain shakes intensely*
Nazi vs Soviet what would the allies pick
*Brittain drops there tea cup*
*Britain puts down tea* we have a cheeky one.
*Britain start to pissed it's pants*
PremiumPlusReviews That better be a joke.
Big point of correction: Hitler wanted to invade the USSR ever since he thought up that the true destiny of Germany lay in the East.
The war he fought against the Western Allies was just to settle the score from World War I and the humiliating Versailles peace treaty that followed it.
Also, he probably wanted to neutralize the Western Allies so he wouldn't have to fight a two front war.
In the west, apart from neutralizing France and Great Britain, there wasn't much to get while in the East were the riches and resources of the Soviet Union: oil, coal, grain, space for German colonies, etc. etc.
In Hitler's grand vision, he would dominate the European mainland with a Greater Germany or Third German Empire stretching all the way to Moscow.
Britain would not be able to interfere on the continent, even if he had allowed them their independence by not invading (even though he never could invade because Britain was an island nation and the British fleet still ruled the waves.
Germany and Japan wanted what France and the UK had ‘an Empire’, part of the justification for colonialisation was to bring civilisation to the ignorant, Nazis viewed the Slavs as France viewed Black Africans. Hitler did not want war with England.
Correction : He didn't fight the Western war to settle the score from the first war, in fact he didn't want a war with the west at all. Germany pushed east into poland as planned in generalplan öst, but then France & Britain declared war.
Had France & Britain NOT declared war, Hitler would have been elated, and he would not invade France to settle some old score. It would be status quo antibellum in the west.
His vision was always eastward (it's been the Germanic mindset for 1000 years at least), but France and Britain interrupted that. Maybe Hitler should have taken an eastward first policy, and just set up passive defenses on the Rhine, since France was unwilling to invade Germany. Germany could have focused 99% of their resources east, unimpeded, while the British drop leaflets and France sits in the Maginot line camping.
@otto Lincoln exactly
@otto Lincoln From the beginning
The netherlands once invaded britain successfully
For those wondering, the song at 5:12 is Babushka song by Sight of Wonders.
What's the song from 1:37 to 2:48?
What about the one at 0:24
@@CPL4567 That song is called Tachanka, named after the tachankas used by the red army in the russian civil war.
cody: *literally just features a swastika*
youtube: *screeching*
cody: *replaces it with a youtube play button*
CZcams Reich
Antonian wow I'm not suprised lol
Yet he can still show the hammer and sickle; the symbol of communism which killed minimum 15 million people in the USSR and at least another 100 million around the world. FFS CZcams, double standard much?
...Is there a difference now?
Antonian First thing i noticed... CZcams has become a Nazi lately.
Stalin: this peace will last 10 years
Hitler: how about 10 seconds
Hitler: This Reich will last 1,000 years.
Stalin: How about ten seconds...
@@dean1039 2 shey ma friend 2 shey
It is kind of sad how naive Stalin was and so distrustful against his own people. And how naive Hitler was attacking a Russia in a process of industrialization.
Stalin in 1940: There's no way this German will be foolish enough to fight on two fronts.
Hitler '41: So anyway I started blasting
@@SteffenSchuchardt1978 Stalin was a georgian, slavs were not his people.
"The fate of europe, fought between two authoritarian despots."
So, basically, all of european history.
Europe is fascist or imperialist at that time all gang of European nations are same in 20 century some committing genocides and lootings in colonies some inside.
pretty much.
European history is great (coming from a European myself) going from war to disaster to war
It was 3v1 and 4v1 when Napoleon was running amok, but I like what you're saying. 👍
Often there were more than two.
-hi1er invaids ussr-
Ussr: “I thought we were in the same side!”
Germany: “you thought-“
Winter: “Yea... about that-“
Hilter: *I'm Gonna Invade*
USSR: *Gets Pushed Back To Wait Till Winter*
The Winter: -Cracks Nuckles- *Ok Mustache Man Lets Go*
I hope you will learn some history.
Better version:
CZcams or Hilter invades the U.S.S.R
USSR: “What about the Molotov-ribbentrov pact? I thought we were peaceful.”
The Third Reich: “Well, about that, *n o* “
USSR: “Well I have winter and basically unlimited manpower”
The Third Reich: “We will beat you before the winter! A push towards moscow shall do it.”
*winter hits*
USSR: “Yeah no”
After the fall of Communism, document No.103202/06, signed by Soviet Chief of Staff Kirill Merezkov on 18 September 1940, revealed that Stalin was preparing to invade western Europe on 10 July 1941 in a massive military offensive operation code-named "operation thunder".
First of all the Germans didint even Get damaged by the Winter. Their tanks just froze and the soldiers were okay They were just distracted by snow and The winter had clearly no effect at all so you just failed history
Man this channel never runs out of content,hopefully i survive through ww3 to hear cody's alternate theories about ww3.
Darth Vader ww3 will be a nuclear Armageddon
Same here
lol
Survive the third world war could be difficile tho'.
Darth Vader Sounds like a good idea to pass the time. Whilst in a nuclear bunker for a decade.
I see what you did there with the CZcams logo. Clever.
I don't get it 😂
His past WW2 videos apparently got flagged by CZcams's algorithms and demonetized over the swastikas. As far as I know, he got them sorted out -- but not until /after/ the rush of "hey, a new video!" views.
funny how the swastika gets banned but not the hammer and sickle...even though communism has killed 10x as many people
Because communism is good and facism is evil (every left wing activist at CZcams)
Kali, (Im not trying to defend either one first of all but this is my opinión) 1. Even though the right wing is gainning popularity, marxism and other socialist ideologies still have a greater grip, probably CZcams just wants to avoid unnecesary arguments and problems relating to leftist angerment. Also, I just think that there are some big problems with blaming those millions of deaths to communism. Millions of innocent people died at the hands of communist leaders purges, tortures, lynches, etc. around the world. Millions more died from starvation at communist countries around the world. You blame all these deaths to the ideology of communism, now, following that logic, I could say that even more had died at the hands of capitalism. None of us can have an idea of just how many millions of innocents have died due to political reasons, to capitalist governments And, If we take in count how many have died due to starvation around the world in capitalist nations, we would have pretty much a billion deaths or so, and still increasing every day because of places like Latin America or Africa. None blame those deaths to the ideology of capitalism so why do we blame those other deaths to communism? Sorry I have such a bad english.
Winston Churchill never becoming prime minister is completely unrelated to the invasion of Russia. Way too much of a stretch if you ask me
Agreed. Chamberlain resigned the day the west was invaded
Dude I gotta say I just freaking love your channel!! Discovered it recently and you have all the videos of the questions I’ve asked, thank you!
*expand on it*
Lazy please, we want this
Lazy PART 2!!!!!!!!
I do wonder who would win, as on population-wise the USSR has way more potential troops to draw on.
And that isn't including the idea that the U.S or Canada (and other British Providence s) may help out of mutual hatered against Hitler.
And I do think that the U.S and others would bite the bullet and fight with the USSR, at least Roosevelt would likely suggest it.
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Would an invasion of germany really gotten so much further than like poland?The great purge and so on? I mean stalin had his generals were he wanted them and he wasn't that of an military genious either despite of eventuall US assistance
In the end soviets would suffer much much much greater causilties than irl because they are fighting an whole wermatch (with oil this time) and maybe the russian people then refuse to fight? And MrMcFührerMustache man would have his oversized playground Lebensraum?
The World: *smells like gunpowder*
Stalin: what a perfect time to purge my army
@@rbra9611
They struggled with Finland cuz of they used complicated german tactics.
@@rbra9611 Battle of Khalkin Gol, the Soviets destroyed a Japanese army in 1939, this is why Japan didnt dare help the Germans vs Russia. Also the Japanese army is pretty primitive compared to the Soviets, a T-34 was superior to any Japanese tanks, the Japanese had few tanks, and the few they had were inferior. Plus Japan was already stuck in a stalemate with China.
As for the Soviets invading Germany, its possible, it depends if the Soviets have time to restore their officer ranks. They failed vs Finland because all their good officers had been purged. By 1942 they should have a new batch of well trained officers ready. If Germany gets caught off guard its game over for them, unlike the USSR, Germany doesnt have much room to retreat in, the border with the Soviets was within driving distance of Berlin.
Lemme correct your meme
The world: *smells gunpowder*
Stalin: lemme light my cigar
The army and party were purged because there was a legitimate threat of a nazi coup, the Marshal of the Red Army Mikhail Tukhachevsky was a literal nazi sympathizer. The reason the purges caused so much chaos was because Nikolai Yezhov, the NKVD chief (who was not supervised by an government official) used the situation to cause internal trouble within the party and make the people angry with the Soviet government, that is why he was later executed.
Essence of Order The Kantokuen plan to invade Siberia AFTER Barbarossa happened suggests otherwise. Notably it was cancelled a week before launch in July; not long after the USA started the embargo agaisnt Japan. It's a thousand times more likely that American led sanctions that depleted Japans oil reserves made any quests into the USSR a doomed plan anyway. No oil means no fuel which, means no aircraft, tanks and trucks -- a total collapse basically.
Again, more armchair generals suffering from hindsight delusions completely ignore economic factors and how it alters grand strategy. Siberia seriously had no infrastructure or known resources (in 1941) that would benefit Japan at all; The only purpose was to drive Soviet influence away from Manchuria, but if you can't even maintain logistics in theory it's easy to see why they quickly pivoted south to capture more resources.
There was actually a massive food crisis in Europe when Germany attacked the soviets. In this timeline Germany would’ve collapsed because of these good shortages, leading to communist dominated Europe
Well, since Britan is under nazi control, they will get food from the British colonies, especially India. India has a lot of fertile land for growing food and cash crops. The nazis would probably take as much food as possible out of India and into Europe because they wouldn't care about mass starvation in India.
K Hays Umm, how would germany get access to India? Or be able to ship food to Germany if they got control over India
@@suclox12yearsago56 They beat Britan, so they have control over the British colonies and navy
K Hays Real life isn’t a HOI4 game dude, Britain would move all their ships away from the isles to protect their colonies and continue the fight. And why would the colonies ever accept to be under German control if there’s no military presence in their countries. They would fight until the end. Most troops would be moved to Africa and the pacific/India to stop japan and Italy
@@suclox12yearsago56 When Germany beat France, they set up a puppet government and many french colonies had to be retaken by the British. I'm thinking that a similar situation occurs with Britan, except there is no other force to retake them (America might but the video assumed they wouldn't). I was just going along with the video's logic. The video said that Germany would get Britan's oil in the middle east, so I assumed that they would also get India.
You definitely should do a continuation even tho it's been 4 years lol
Cody: puts the swastika in an informative history video
CZcams: *D-D-D-EMONITIZE*
Cody: *literally implies CZcams is Nazis*
CZcams: I sleep.
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Love the use of the Play button as an alternative to the swastika, because that's what CZcams is...
A private corporation is somehow fascist? What?
Lol
CZcams have run out of money lol
>Implying that online monopolistic platform giants like CZcams are completely or functionally private and never got any outside aid from the government whatsoever
As a nazi I find it offensive to be compared to the infamous youtube
Do a part two this is really inter-esting
The problem with the British Prime Minister scenario is this: if the Soviet Union wasn't invaded, the Nazis were still going to attack Western Europe, and Chamberlain's position would've become untenable. Any scenario envisioning his non-resignation in such circumstances is totally unrealistic, since Chamberlain, as the video itself points out, did indeed stake his political career on "peace in our time." Therefore, he would've had no choice but to resign or he would've been forced out, period.
Even if he didn't resign, he still died in November of 1940 of bowel cancer. He wasn't going to be Prime Minister for much longer, whether it be via resignation or the Reaper.
I think this scenario needed some other British PM. It’s not like there were no other politicians. Or maybe the alt history scenario is that Edward VIII is in the throne and is openly supporting Nazis now and doesn’t let Winston become PM (the monarchs don’t use power like this anymore but they could if they wanted to badly enough, it probably would mean they end of monarchy if they did now).
Love the Demonetization joke at the start
He also censored the nazi symbol
with the youtube symbol, love the symbolism
I love how the swastika was replaced with the CZcams button Lmao.
@goodpal CZcams blocked
Praise The Lord and Pass The Ammunition and Ain't I right anti Communism song. CZcams is getting out of hand.
@goodpal can you fuck off?
@@arawn1061
That's a little hostile...
@@arawn1061
He responded to MY comment YOU can't tell him to delete his reply. Chill a little bit...
@@StevenTheAristolianNerd you are telling me to chill while you have a neo nazi there
Still one of my favorite creators
If they didnt invade the soviet union they would have simply run out of oil and lost to the western allies. Throughout the war germany was using more oil than it was producing this is why they relied on horses often and even went through the enormously inefficient and expensive process of producing synthetic oil from coal. Germany's goal was to capture the oil field in southern russia. He did not "cause his days to be numbered" by russia as you said as they would have been doomed either way.
Cody, I think this video was pretty good, but it was too basic for me tbh. I kinda want a video with an actual scenario.
If Britain we’re going to surrender in 1940, it would be under the leadership of Lord Halifax. Halifax was initially the first pick by Chamberlain, but Chamberlain picked Churchill instead. Halifax supported to have a peace deal after the fall of France.
If Britain did surrender, Western Europe (Low Countries and France) would have been autonomous but under German Influence. Poland wouldn’t exist, and Italy would’ve gotten barely anything from the war.
In fact, what happens to Italy, do they continues to war against Britain and lose, or invade Greece and lose. That would be interesting.
The Soviets were actually preparing to strike the Germans in ‘42, but Germany beat them to the punch. If Germany was fighting a defensive war, I think the former Allied powers (France and Britain) would prefer to support the Germans over the Soviets. Hell, I’d think they wouldn’t even support any side.
USA and Japan would still go to war, and I think Germany would not even declare war, as they couldn’t attack the US and the US couldn’t attack the Germans. The war with Japan would end the same way most likely, with Japan unconditional surrendering to the US. There would be no division of the Korean Peninsula and China would be under mostly Nationalist Control, as the Soviets would most likely not intervene by invading Manchuria.
I think Germany would have a better chance of winning, as they have access to oil from the Middle East, so they would be better equipped and armed to fight a long term war. I think the war would end with a mild victory for the Germans (Only gaining control of the Baltic States, Belarus, and Ukraine) as Germany doesn’t have the men it recourses to take all of Russia.
The Mann Italy would have gotten the part of France they claimed, probably some parts of the African coast too considering Hitler's previous generosity and would definitely have been able to take out Greece on their own after the fall of Britain since they could focus their forces on just one target.
The Mann Regarding Italy Mussolini also expected Britain to call for peace after the fall of France, and Italy would probably take all English-controlled land facing the Mediterranean, since Mussolini wanted to realize Mare Nostrum.
Also in this timeline we could probably see another Balkan war between the neutral countries (basically Yugoslavia and Greece) and the fascist ones (Italy, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria).
Since the UK just exited a war and both of the neutral nations were still authoritarian they would not help them and without the African front Italy will not use only 5 division against over 20 to invade Greece.
So we would see almost all of Europe under Axis control except for Portugal and Turkey, with the Axis powers also controlling most of North and West Africa, most of the Middle East, Indocina and Indonesia.
The Mann look at the army numbers. USSR being prepared in the great patriotic war? Germans would be even worse off. Cody didnt said this but the german doctrine was offensive not defensive. German tanks were harded and took longer to produce then soviet t34s/kv1s. German equipment was all in all good but heavy on industry. Again speculations and what not but i dont think Stalin would have not stop even at over 10 million of his army killed in the offensive.
You forgot one little thing. The A bomb, if the war was still raging they would probably use it more agressibly (and probably mass produce them). The others nations wouldn't had the time to catch up; so that would be the defining factor of the war.
Don’t forget the Luftwaffe would have had a greater impact on the war since the Battle of Britain would’ve never happened (or was greatly shorter).
So depressing you can get flagged for showing a swastika In a history video
King Of The Bees You don't get flagged for it, just demonitized
Still sounds like a form of censorship
Phil Lewis, its just the robots being fucking stupid about everything
Phil Lewis CZcams is fascist. That's why the swastika is replaced with a CZcams logo
it's un-bee-lievable.
I love your channel keep up the great stuff!!!
I would kill for a part 2 of this. I honestly will be using this scenario for my alternate history story that diverges from our timeline in 1937.
Then we wouldn't have Russian winter memes.
No, we'd still have it...it just wouldn't be as popular due to how relatively recent WWII is.
Napoleon made that mistake back in 1812, and the Russians did the same thing then that they did in WWII: Scorched Earth policy. Constant retreat, fighting all the time, and leaving zero resources behind in your wake, eating/killing/burning anything that can be used by the enemy. This forced enemy supply lines to stretch to their breaking point, making further invasion become nearly impossible as Russian land was so large and vast, getting deeper into it without properly established supply routes became suicide. Then winter hit and...well, you know the rest.
The Swedes used to have an empire (shocking, I know), and they tried something similar earlier on in 1708. Same tactics, same result, same crippling depression.
We should be less looking at how "impressive" the Russians are at resisting invasion, and looking more at how retarded the enemy commanders were for conducting this shit in winter, without any winter gear, or winter preparations, and then expecting everything to go fine without it.
It's like walking into a fire with the expectation that you won't be burned. Just because you believe hard enough does not mean that logic is just suddenly going to fall by the wayside. You still get burned alive, and the Swedes have now been reduced to IKEA salesmen.
Oh hi
Hello Daddy
I never knew you watched history and not just deepfried *_E_* breaking memes
We would still have it because of the Winter War which failed terribly for Russia. And also of the Napoleon invasion of Russia.
Nope by 1942, soviets have already finished their reforms and can out produce Germany at VIRTUALLY all fronts. Add that to increase anticipation for German aggression and soviet superiority in heavy tanks and artillery already during Barbarossa and you get a semi ROFL stomped Germany and a larger iron curtain. I can only see Germany at most advance up to Odessa-Kiev-Smolensk-Riga line along the Dvina while the Soviets perfect their deep operation tactics. Note Soviet army is probably less powerful than OTL 1945 in 1945
I think it’s funny you replaced the swastikas with their modern version 😂
The CZcams order
Dang it. Now I don't like Germany anymore.
Alex is the only one who warned us about the globalist plot to turn the frogs GAY and they shut him down for exposing their plans....THIS IS YOUR FAULT LEFTIES! He warned us....he warned us....
Yoshifan9511 he can still say whatever he wants. Just not on youtube or facebook.
>implying youtube and google are bigger nazis than facebook
What?
Genuine question what was the song played over the title (I looked at the description)!
Very fascinating analysis. Well done
Expand this world please! We need more lore!
I agree
Expand on it yourself. The fictional world is your oyster.
Yes!
Please do
yes pease mek more
It's genius how the swastika is replaced by a CZcams symbol.
Germany couldn't have got oil from the middle east because the oil industry in the middle east was very underdeveloped.
In fact the British themselves couldn't get much oil from there
It was not very undeveloped in fact iran in 1945 produced nearly as much oil as ussr did in the same time (over 20 m tons)
Germany did not need unlimited amount of oil iraq and iran produced about 14 m tons of oil together in 1941
There is venezuela that produced as much as ussr did in 1941
Like they have enough thats not the problem
Do a part 2. This is super interesting
Using the CZcams logo in place of the swastika reminds of the stuff you'd see on r/maliciouscompliance. Also, expand upon this brother! It's really interesting and could make for a few more videos to put out.
Is it a comment about CZcams being Nazis, or is it to stop the algorithm from removing videos that have the swastika in them?
Haven't you heard.
It's the age of a Social parliament
So you can get demonetized if you mention historic conflicts? CZcams is going into the crapper.
RedGoblin CZcams has been in the crapper for like 3 years now
CZcams has been in the crapper since 2005.
I love it.
J.J. Shank because dailymotion or vimeo were the true giants of video media...
Demonitized, still gets money from patreon
Porn hubs better than youtube at dis point
Id love to see you expand on this sceanrio!
Personally I would love to see an expanded version of this
Imagine beinh so sensitive that you cant see the swastika in historical context or usage. Man, if only it never existed
Welcome to a world where radical, spoiled brat, Leftists dominate social discourse. While slowly losing ground in all aspects of Western life, then panic violently because of it. That's where we are today.
It’s also funny how all these moral busybody cunts tend to be the most fucking bourgeois and elitist snobs you can find...funny I thought they where the opposite of all that?
This is to allow countries that doesn't allow for swastika to be shown to be able to see the video and of course more conspiracy theories about the left and the jews blablabla all that nonsense
That's not why he did that, it was to serve as symbolism calling out CZcams's suppressing of free speech and calling them fascists
Aidan K He also did it because a week's worth of work would instantly be demonetized if he showed the"sacred symbol"
Chamberlain never resigns
*HOI4 memes ensue*
Daddy Donald *dies of cancer a couple months later anyway*
what if germany lost ww1?
You mean won? lol
ArmageddonEvil its a reference to a hoi4 mod called fuhrerreich
We need a part 2!
5:10 Music please? I can't find it on youtube :/
Edit: Babushka Song Sight of Wonders
America: "we did it, we finally did it, we defeated the soviets, no hard feelings germany?"
germany: "nein, ist good america".
Uk: "uhh guys, where are the jews?"
Germany : *sweats profusley*
Except, U.S. allied with the Soviets......
@@axslaps OH really? I never knew that...
Dude im talking about the scenario not real life
I Am Root Bruh
At that point, I'd imagine that Germany would've been too powerful for the US to have taken alone. Europe, and indeed likely eventually Asia and Africa as well, would have enter into a dark age of oppression.
@@axslaps oh, now THAT is unholy alliance.
I cant stop seeing stalin's and hitler's mustaches as mouths.. Its hilarious 😂
KGODSMACKC lolll
I thought Hitler was suprised😆
I have a thick mustache
@@josephstalin133 Yes papa
I cannot unsee it
Describing Churchill as a bowling ball of a man is just, the best.
For anybody curious the song at 5:09 is "Babushka Song Sight of Wonders." I noticed he forgot to mention it at the description.
Shouldn't this video be titled "What if Churchill never rose to power"?
O Fenómeno
That’s Correct
Yes I was wondering why he started with UK PM stuff. Seems that’s the basis of everything in this video.
Would have been real interesting if Stanley Baldwin had not retired.
Chamberlain was not a well man. He died in November 1940. Six months after he resigned as Prime Minister. Lord Halifax could have been the next PM, which would have resulted in Britain seeing for Peace. Halifax not Chamberlain was the main architect of appeasement and had approached Italy, to act as a broker between Germany and Great Britain. Churchills appointment changed all that
Sueing for peace
what if youtube didn't make it offensive to use a swatztika in historical context?
Yanni Vines but are they gonna ???
Yanni Vines well you can blame actual Nazis for that
i gotta be honest, i had "uncesored" history books in school, the archive photos and documents all had the symbology in question on them, and we did not get triggered by it - in fact altering them would be a simple tempering. Educational videos and documentaries have a DUTY to show facts and have to get as close to the truth as possible. Censoring the symbology of a past era is absolutely counter-productive in that context.
Thomas Farmer
Its not about "triggering" you goof, its an issue of actual neo nazis using the platform
if you ban the swastika, you have to ban the red star along with it. here in eastern-central europe that's a somewhat different issue compared to west, and by the looks of it there isn't much censorship over that, and i am 100% sure antifa supporters use youtube. for example google "moscow death brigade", that's a very political antifa-supporting rap/hardcore band. Or if we're at it, we can make an argument for banning islam symbology - which would probably had very strong grounds, but the open borders pc and tolerance crowd would probably would show me anything but tolerance and would try their best to eviscerate me and hang me by my small intestines - if the wahabbists wouldn't find me first. But if we're at it, christianity also had their fair share of killings, anti-christians love to bring up the crusades, heck, we might as well ban the cross too if we're at it. I know i had quite a few logical leaps in here, but I hope you get my issue with this. Let them use the site. Let them speak, learn their arguments, and try to shut them down with logic. It is a lot harder to suppress a movement you don't even know anything about. Also widespread censoring of something will only trigger an interest for that among people.
4 years later and I want a part two of this!
I love how you replaced the Swastika with the CZcams logo. Great video
In an alternate history, CZcams wouldn't be so stringent with monetization.
Stop please, I will pay you!
Hey justin
Get out of yt you are scaring everybody by showing up everywhere and write sh*tty comments
no they wouldn’t
Justin Y.
In an alternate history, you wouldn't pop up everywhere I do
Thank you alt history hub for your frequent uploads!
We need a part two
Winston Churchill became prime minister a year before Germany invaded Russia
I think the West would support Hitler over Stalin. Originally Britain and the US wanted Mussolini and Hitler to oust communism
Yep, it could have happened. It was a very short time, but we (the US) planned to support whoever was losing, but once Britain came into the war, pretty obvious not to side with the Germans
Well, the US supported whoever was paying them, in this case the British. It was FDR that made sure no support went to the Nazis, but many Americans were in favour of a strong Nazi Europe as a counter to the USSR And don't forget that the US ambassador to Britain advocated switching sides (which presumably made him as popular in the UK as a skunk in an elevator).
@Manuel Camelo ok /pol/
So you are in favour of the mass murder of women and children - that's your "perfect world"? No wonder the British want shut of people like you -ignorant fascists living in a failed economy off the support of your more successful neighbours, like Germany and Britain.
So all the Nazi records of people killed, the fact that millions of people disappeared, and of course the bones that weren't burned such as those at Sobibor, Chelmno, Belzec and Treblinka, where there were no crematoria and the bodies were burned on pyres, that doesn't count as evidence? Ther isn't a court on earth that wouldn't convict on that evidence.
You should definitely do a Part 2 where you talk about Britain and the Commonwealth’s role in the new world. Would Britain be occupied by Germany, would Canada and the other commonwealths be German puppets, British dominions, or free countries, etc.
I'm pretty sure Canada would break free if Britain territories became occupied, primarily because I don't believe that the U.S would tolerate the Nazis being at their doorstep.
Daddy Donald Spoiler alert, the Soviets win.
I totally agree we need a part 2.
ShantyIrishman I think it depends on the U.S and if the Commonwealth is on the Nazi occupiers side.
thats a good idea. I think it would be cool to see a kaiserreich scenario where britain is occupied by germany, so canada becomes the seat of british power.
What song plays during the beginning/intro?
I would like to see this scenario expanded.
this is the greatest symbolism I've ever seen!!
lmao
Your talking about Nazis being depicted as youtube right? It took me a until halfway through to notice but it's amazing and it made me laugh once I did.
I honestly don't know if it's a statement being made or he just wants to retain his content monetization, but either way... what an awesome solution.
honestly, it could be both...
but my guess is, youtube is being thought police, just like the nazi..
"thought police" No they're not
Yea the people taking down gun videos because "muh guns are bad" arent thought police
lol love how the swastika was changed to the CZcams logo😂
Only Pewdiepie can kill memes.
Neville Chamberlain had Cancer and died November 9th, 1940. He would have resigned before that.
Did you ever make a part 2?
I've been waiting for this vid forever and I would love an expansion :D
What if England and France had never declared war on Germany after the Polish invasion ?
What if Germany had not invaded Poland in concert with the USSR, but had instead told Stalin he could have it all, would France and Germany have been forced to attack the Soviets ?
What if the Americans didn't use the bomb on Japan and instead just kept pounding the cities with incendiaries in order to create firestorms, and then surprised the Soviets with it ?
casbott England and France were already preparing for war as they knew Htlwr would invade Poland so war was inevitable in 1939. If they didn’t I presume Germany would have just attacked Russia and probably would have been supported by the USA.
Yes the allies would have declared war on the USSR if Hitler agreed to fight with them.
If they did not nuke japan and saved it for the USSR then Russia would have been forced to surrender although this would look bad on the USA after an entire war of portraying the USSR as close allies.
As far as the Germans were concerned, Poland WAS part of Germany that was stolen from them in the Treaty of Versailles. There was absolutely no chance of Germany not invading Poland. At an absolute minimum they would have invaded the "Polish Corridor" between Germany and...Germany.
Two things play into this. First, It is false to assume that two systems are ever opposite. They are not. They only pose as opposites. In fact, rivals are usually similar; for that is what makes rivalry possible :similarity. Second, old patterns tend to repeat themselves. Somebody who believes that he is able to think outside of the box may do so only one direction, but not the other. So that somebody wins here and loses there. Someone truly thinking outside of the box should not blindly follow local prejudices, no matter how smart he think he is or how strong and centuries long the prejudices are. This is a total and adequate summary of all that in fact happened.
2020 the quarantine is not ending but im still waiting the second part of this video
Please part 2, I want to know what happens
You lose millions of men trying to break German defences and are seen as the enemy of the West, so the land lease goes to Germany, after years of meat grinding either you get pushed back to Urals or your bud Hitler and you sign a peace forcing you to give Germany Ukraine, Belarus, Baltic countries and Caucasus, but either way yo lose, because this time you wouldn't mobilize 36 million men, because they are not defending their land and their homes, but attacking, Germans on the other hand are defending their Empire and thus would fight harder then your men. In the end i don't see you winning, especially since you are invading Europe so US and UK might also declare war on you, but that is unlikely unless you start winning, witch you wouldn't.
IN PART 2 SOVIETS SUCCEED IN INVADING GERMANY WHICH IS BASICALLY ALMOST ALL OF EUROPE AND THE MIDDLE EAST AT THIS POINT AND AFTERWARDS THEY STORM THEIR WAY INTO JAPANESE TERRITORY, NAVAL INVADE MAINLAND JAPAN, OCCUPY HUGE CHUNKS OF EASTERN ASIA, AND MAKE SATELLITES OUT OF ALL THAT OCCUPIED EURASIAN TERRITORY.... FROM HERE THE UNITED SOCIALIST NATIONS ARE FORMED AND YOU COMRADE STALIN CAN FINALLY DRINK YOUR VODKA IN PEACE THE END URAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Exploding Universe That Anti-Communist Pact wouldnt mean Japan would join the war. Germany in our timeline invaded the USSR and Japan still didnt join or anything to help the Germans and to gain land. The reason for this is the border skirmishers were the Japanese got completely annihilated in the most known battles of Khalkin Gol and Lake Khasan. Japan got traumatized and thats why they rather attacked the USA than the USSR because of fear of being annihilated again. No way that Japan is going to help a ally at the otherside of the world, fight the feared giant Bear that annihilated their forces and which they have a non-agression pact.
@@SynisterFour what about the United States they have to make the atomic bomb and use it on Japan
Stalin: *declares war on Germany*
Hideki Tojo: *declares war on the USSR*
Von Ribbentrop: "Ahhhhh, that's very *tripartite pact* of you!"
No. Japanese are still busy in China. And actually, Japanese and Soviets had a non aggression pact for almost entire ww2. Both didn't like idea fighting a 2 front war.
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1. Being busy in china didn't stop them from bombing pearl harbor
2. non-agression treaty? you mean like the one nazi germany broke with the USSR, like the one USSR broke with japan?
@@dorkfish1275 USSR broke their treaty with Japan AFTER Germany was done. And Pearl Harbor? Honestly that is one of the most dumb war operations ever.
@@exaid0556 still, non-aggression didn't stop USSR from attacking japan.
@@dorkfish1275 USSR's entry into a war with Japan was done according to Yalta agreements. USA and Britain insisted on Soviet involvement.
You gotta do a part 2 PUHLEASE 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Yes do expand on this scenario please! :)
Sorry said to expand this again and didn't realize I replied almost a year ago 🙂
I think the biggest issue with this video is the fact Britain wouldn't have surrendered. It would have sued for peace. Many in the british parliaments wanted to make peace and basically just let Germany have France. It wasn't a surrender. A surrender would have resulted in German occupation of Britain and this wouldn't occur.
Professortbag: My opinion also. Britain wouldn't surrender under the conditions in mid 1940, but making peace (no territorial or military concessions) was conceivable, with Churchill out of the picture - Chamberlain or Halifax as PM instead.
And to add to this, because britain just sued for peace, the Americans could always join in and pull a D-day when Germany fought against the Russians. So essentially, nothing really changes in the end as the result is the same.
@@GGYGYU-es1dj the Americans could join with GB as an ally against germany, but would they? Their greatest fear was USSR for 20 years, why would they support it. Maybe they would have reluctantly made a deal with Germany to fight the russians, with the mention that Britain, remains under USA's sphere of influence, and China and Russia are partitioned between Japan and USA. USA could have done this with the idea of fighting the germans later at a better moment. Heck, they pretty much did the exact damn thing, but with Russia instead of Germany and with Europe instead of China and Russia. The world would have looked very different if not for Churchill. WW2 was not a two side war, but a (at least) 3 side war, maybe even 4 side war (if we add a possible chinese rise), in which everyone hated each other. WW2 was almost a big of a mess as middle east factions are nowadays, but at global scale.
Best case scenario: Hitler focuses on the middle east and then actually goes on with operation sea lion, forcing Britain to surrender.
The british main priority would be securing both france and germanies colonial assets.
It's funny how somebody actually made a HOI4 mod that changes the german flag to the youtube logo like in the video.
@@trajanranae9772 Google it. It's a good game
What's hoi4 you mean Map Game 4?
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Video Idea: What if Napoleon wasn’t stopped at Waterloo? What if Napoleon won Waterloo? What would he have done when he won? Napoleon is my favorite historical character so I just really need to know. Thank you!
can someone please let me know what song plays at the opening of this video at 0:28
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Tachanka Song. There's many versions and I think this one is the hardest to find.
But Chamberlain had cancer and died during Churchill's first year of power
Arkham Gamer Then Britain would immediately retaliate as soon as Chamberlain dies and Winston morphs with the PM seat.
Lord Halifax could be pm
jared pansier but he didn’t want to be pm.
Shut
Nazi Megaweapons: Cancer
All I could think of for the swastika being replaced with the play button is spongebob saying “subliminal messages...”
A second one please?
Expand on this idea! Great video as usual
I normally tend to agree with your scenarios but this one is way off. Churchill was PM in May 1940 - Chamberlain is out of the picture already and France still hasn't yet fallen. You're right that Hitler expected Britain to come to terms after the Battle of France and is perplexed at Churchill's intransigence. But Churchill knows that any attempt to invade Britain would be a massive risk and logistically doubtful, so Britain can sit tight and try and get the US interested in joining in. Hitler can't knock Britain out of the war, but on the other hand Britain can't do a lot to impact German forces on the continent. All Hitler has to do is sit tight and keep the Italians from falling apart in North Africa and the Med. The logical outcome of this is stalemate. The British are not strong enough to invade the continent (but can cause trouble via support for Resistance units) and the Germans are not strong enough to invade the UK. Without US or Soviet involvement this will settle into a bombing/blockade war with some armies deployed to North Africa to fight a proxy war. In some ways it begins to mirror the Napoleonic War where France controls the continent but Britain controls the seas and has to pick away at the French army in the Iberian peninsula. So Hitler has to weigh up the following questions: 1) how much does he fear a pre-emptive strike by Stalin? 2) how much does he need oil & is it better to try & prise it from the British in the Middle East or from the Russians? 3) can he afford to treat Britain as a non-imminent threat and concentrate on Stalin? In reality he gambles that he can take Russia in 1941 - the air raids over Britain begin to decline early in the year as squadrons are moved east. In your scenario he should have focused on pushing the British out of the Mediterranean (why didn't the Axis powers ever invade Malta for god's sake, it was a massive thorn in their side when trying to re-supply the Afrika Korps). Basically, steal the bulldog's bone and don't hit the bear. Perhaps Stalin would have come for Hitler after 1942 anyway, but whatever way it pans out Britain is still in the fight - and now have an alliance with the US because the Japanese attacked British Malaya at almost exactly the same time it attacked Pearl Harbor. So the other key question is: why the hell did Hitler declare war on the US, thereby automatically bringing them into the European theatre? He really was a twat.
@A M A Z O The USA's supply and lend lease whilst still neutral certainly helped, but don't forget that in 1940 Britain still had a massive empire & the biggest navy in the world, and was ramping up home food production in a way the Germans never did. Plus, the rapid evolution of convoy tactics & Intel decrypts meant Britain could have stayed in the war even without direct US aid. Would have been grim, though.
Nick, I thought your note was excellent, but it should have said more about the fact that Nazi Germany had no access to a "free flow of Oil" which was imperative to their long term struggle and goal. In the end the Russians Military "Crushed the German Armies" and these German Armies failed for lack of "a free flow of Oil" because the British Navy blocked the Oil imports
Nick, In Churchills History of The Second World War, Churchill Himself recognized that "we could go on, but they could not" Just like as in the olden days of the Napoleon struggle, the 1940 period could become perhaps 10 or 15 years long, but we could go on they could not.
@A M A Z O Britain would not have starved, it had a massive navy and an empire to feed it. If you look at the size of its fleet especially its supply ships you would realise the germans had no chance of starving britain. The US helped because its ships were not being attacked on their way to Britain (until they declared war on the axis) but did not save Britain from starving.
This comment is ++better than the whole video. You get the thumbs up
This video felt too basic. A more in-depth analysis would be appreciated.
It is painfully obvious that he HAD to release a video "related" to WW2 because of his contractual obligation with that "Game of Tanks" (otherwise he gets no money this month).
-> He even lampshaded it at the end, asking the audience for an "encore".
Argamis (SilverComet)
So are you unhappy that he’s advertising, or do you understand he needs the money because YT is censoring everything that will trigger anyone even slightly?
its his fault he didint get a USEFUL college degree to fall back on, so him bending head over heels for something that should just be a hobby makes him look incredibly short sighted and spineless.
I'm not defending youtube, they need to stop this hypocritical shirade before there stock plummets through the floor as everyone is making a mass exodus for bit-chute.
What was the music in the beginning of the video
I swear every idea I think of this guy has done it Iol
11/10 CZcams logo for a fascist symbol.
Humza you can blame or thank actual fascists for that
Salokin How so? Using a symbol, any symbol, be it related to Nazis, communists or capitalists in a historical context is not worthy of censorship. It is everyone'# right to express their opinions however they want. Just because they use symbols that some consider offensive it doesn't mean they should be censored. Why are the hammer and sickle freely allowed, the symbol of the communists that killed many more than the Nazis, yet a swastika with origins and meanings going back hundreds of years is censored?
Alternate Empire
Its not censorship, YT is a private enterprise. actual nazis using yt as a propaganda outlet is a pretty big issue they have to deal with
Alternate Empire
If actual communists are using YT to spread propaganda and/or violence, yeah they can be booted off too
Salokin buddy, that’s called _censorship_
You kind of left one thing: _What if Britain doesn't surrender?_
Vault Well, since the Germans wouldn’t be moving forces into the East for a little while longer, giving them time to launch operation Sea Lion, which had the punches kept flying, would have possibly resulted in an invasion of Britain.
Yeah I think a brief explanation on whether Britain could have endured would be interesting
Unlikely considering they had a small navy in comparison
DJ Thorn sea lion would never work
Hasn't he done a video on if Germany tried a ground invasion of the UK?
please expand on this scenario
This is definitely one of the older videos on this channel that I wpuld love to see redone/further explored, even if its just another made up story about an Alternate WW2. I feel like this one had a relatively light touch.
Finally you decided to make an actual “Alternate” history video again
Place holder name is place holder ba dum tss
Place holder name is place holder uhm... trump isn’t authoritarian doe
Place holder name is place holder You forgot to add the "literally" before Donald Trump
Gayeth
In my eyes, the Russian morale would be low since a defensive Germany would use everything in their power to defend their Fatherland, while the Russians are simply invading. In our time line the Soviets used all they had to protect the survival of their nation, greatly boosting morale. I would see that Russia defeats Germany, or that Germany holds out enough to cause the Soviet Union to give up ( as in stop the war, or a mutiny of soldiers.)
Here's the interesting thing to think about. A Russian invasion would push Germans across German-occupide Europe much like the Nazi invasion (and the prior Napoleonic invasion) across Russia. Supply lines would soon become exhausted by the Soviets. Yet at the same time the the French Resistance is going to continually put a drain, however slight, on their abilities to hold western Europe.
So many things to consider.
Falling Pictures Productions the germans would have held and pushed especially with there industry not getting bombed by the british and Americans and they would put more time into there research projects
They would have further researched Jet Plane technology, and Heavy Tanks (etc.), but i wouldn't believe that they would put a lot more effort in making an Atomic Bomb. Rather focusing on Conventional Warfare. Plus, the war between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union could be like ww1, with it being a stalemate, with more successful offensive, but being pushed back. It would likely be a war of attrition.
the reason the soviets became a superpower was because germany game them good expirience,prior to barbarossa the soviet high command was mostly compose of party members instead of competent commanders thanks to stalin's purge
Good point. Its true that the genocide the Nazis were doing on the Slavs made the Soviets fight to the death.
You got a name for the song in the beginning?
Did he made a second part? if so pls link
You lost me at "Chamberlain never resigns." That is completely out of the context of the question here. Germany and the USSR agreed to partition Poland and hold their respective lines for 10 years. Poland's independence had been guaranteed by Great Britain after Munich, it was Hitler's disregard of that guarantee that led to the declaration of war by Britain, the stand-by-and-watch attitude of the Sitzkrieg months that undermined Chamberlain,and the fall of Norway and the invasion of France that finally forced him to resign and Churchill to take office. Hitler had yet to conquer France and had yet to even contemplate the Battle of Britain. Whether or not he later (over a year later) invaded the USSR is immaterial to the vents that brought Churchill to power.
Some of these alt-hist pieces are interesting and well thought out. This is on the other end of the spectrum.
Yeah, that really came out of nowhere. Granted, it's hard to speculate on these things when there are so many variables in play, but that one should probably stay consistent because, as you say, it doesn't hinge on the assumption of this hypothetical scenario. Beyond that, the "Germany occupies Middle East" thing is also dubious; as far as I know, the proposed ceasefire (the one put forward by Mussolini and considered by more pacifist/pessimist British politicians) didn't involve such large territorial concessions. Hitler actually didn't want a protracted war with Britain at all, and it came as a surprise to him when they didn't negotiate. And that was seriously bad news in the long run because Germany was in no position to threaten an actual invasion. If the Blitz failed to break their will to fight and they lost the Battle of Britain (which is what happened), Germany simply didn't have the naval or air power to stop Britain from continuing to trade and maintain a large colonial empire it could draw resources and manpower from. Honestly, that and open lines of communication and trade with the US were probably reason enough on their own for Britain to hold on regardless of whether or not the USSR and Germany fought. It was of course a relief when Germany ultimately did decide to split their attention, but I think the video places too much emphasis on the idea that Britain would "surrender" if Germany hadn't invaded the USSR, which in any case happened almost a year after Britain had successfully defended themselves in the Battle of Britain.
This whole video was just wrong
Same here, it really bothered me.
Glad it wasn't just me. I just couldn't get my head around why Chamberlain would still be in power.
@@TheZombifiedGuy If the Luftwaffe had not been re-tasked from it's strategic airwar, to the eastern front, and had a whole year (or two) of nothing but blitz, along with a full german invasion of the middle east, there is no realistic chance that Churchill isn't forced to make peace, or is forced out.
But Chamberlain resigned before the fall of France and died LONG before Operation Barbarossa, if Germany never invaded the USSR, Britain would still have Churchill at the helm and the policy of no surrender as Churchill came to power over a YEAR before the invasion. How did you even come to a conclusion like this?
also he died, so....
Moonatik Just before the fall of France*
Churchill entered office on the day that Germany begun their invasions of the Benelux, so still more than a month beforehand.
If Germany won against Britain then it would be MORE likely that they would invade Russia, as Hitler and his generals were all in agreement that the USSR must be brought down, and they wouldn't be fighting a 2 front war.
Honestly, yeah the scenario is really unlikely and heavily flawed. The only time i see the USSR being an aggressor is if the UK had not surrendered and a operation sealion had taken place in 1942/43, so not likely at all
what is the music when the 'disclaimer' is showed?
please continue this scenario
Come on Cody you know you want to do an alt history about if the Nationalist Chinese won their civil war
I actually think that Chamberlain _would_ resign, and that Churchill would rise to power, just like in our timeline. The British were more than willing to fight on their own for a long time
Edit: Japan would still get its ass beat in by the US
If I wasn't wrong it was because of the Norway thing (Narvik Question or sth) that Chamberlain resigned.
Seize the means of production - Let's hope so - but what if all four carriers were at Pearl that fateful day? And sunk? The Japanese would have ruled the Pacific for a decade.
4 Carriers wouldn't be the deciding factor in the war, nothing Japan could have done would have stopped their eventual RAPING that was the Pacific War. And let's not even get into the nukes.
Monster of Analysis - good luck with delivering those nukes when Japan has total control of the pacific - and YES it would have taken nearly a decade for the USA to rebuild her carrier fleet - they don't grow on trees.
But that's the problem, they couldn't just take control over the entire pacific ocean by bringing down a few carriers. The US Navy would take a severe hit, sure, but they wouldn't just hand over power.
Your entire premise hinges on the incompetence of America.
Yes please to the extended analysis.