John Mearsheimer: Israel-Palestine, Russia-Ukraine, China, NATO, and WW3 | Lex Fridman Podcast
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- John Mearsheimer is an international relations scholar at University of Chicago. He is one of the most influential and controversial thinkers in the world on the topics of war and power.
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1:29 - Power
24:43 - Hitler
42:09 - Russia and Ukraine
1:38:22 - Israel and Palestine
2:39:13 - China
3:21:34 - Life and mortality
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1:29 - Power
24:43 - Hitler
42:09 - Russia and Ukraine
1:38:22 - Israel and Palestine
2:39:13 - China
3:21:34 - Life and mortality
Thanks man as always
Thanks Lex!
Hey Lex, very interesting guest. But I was wondering if you'd ever do something similar like Todd Howard or John Carmack again? John Romero, Sandy Petersen and American McGee would all make great guests.
As an IT guy and (old school) gamer, I'd be very interested in hearing from guys like that.
Or Richard Garriott, Ed Boon, Chris Avellone, Ken Levine, Ray Muzyka, Greg Zeschuk, Warren Spector, Sid Meier, ...
Or some of the Japanese guys if language makes it possible like Shinji Mikami, Suda51, Hideo Kojima, Yu Suzuki, Toshihiro Nagoshi, ...
And of course Miyamoto-san himself.
Lex ❤
where was your backbone? i didn't notice any.
Finally Lex has someone on in regards to foreign policy who isn’t a neocon. It’s about time, there’s so many other world views for foreign affairs that have been missed.
or a Zionist
Probably to gather intelligence on who agrees with him. People get pushed out of the media for having these thoughts, Norman Finkelstein was pushed out of his University, and now congresswoman Rashida Talib was censured. There really is no free exchange of ideas in the US. Look what happened to James Traficant and Cynthia McKinney. Everytime I see Netanyahu on TV I can't stop thinking of A Clean Break and all the US soldiers that were physically and psychologically harmed by the Iraq war. I have to keep telling myself there are plenty of people who oppose him.
@@scottkeller8890 neocons and neolibs are both zionist
Especially the Russian view.😢
@@scottkeller8890Man that was crazy "Hey let my find the most Pro-Isreal political advisor around to talk about Gaza" And only a couple of months after he went to the West Bank and talked to Palestinians face to face. That was straight up slimey
Please bring back John Mearsheimer for another four hours IMMEDIATELY! Wow you two, I can't express in words how much I loved this conversation, and am eternally grateful for expanding my perspective on so many things!
Really I find his nonsense hard to take .. for example he still continues with this NATO forced putin to invade ..
Was he out when putin told the world ukraine was Russian..
Sounds to me like Nato or no nato putin wanted ukraine back for Russia.. which by the way is the reason other neighbouring countries are asking to join nato not being asked to join ..
Sweden and Finland weren't forced to join they joined because they were worried about putin .
He seems to conveniently ignore this fact
I think he completely ignores the facts to be honest and always points the finger at the west while giving the mafia hit man putin a free ride
We are fortunate to benefit from John's ability to rationally deduce geopolitical happenings. Thank you gentlemen.
Rational, there isn't much rationale about John's reasoning except his realy weak understanding of the Russian Imperial project. He doesn't speak languages, his understanding of the second world war is poor. He doesn't understand that it was stated by an alliance of Russia and Germany is poor. He always omits to mention that Russia tried to invade France around 1800 before Napoleon invaded Russia, that Rusdia attacked Sweden before Sweden, he forgets that Russia wanted free hands to attack the Nordic countries before Russias ally Germany, turned on Russia. One thing is super clear, Russia is constantly aggressive and a threat to Europe. We need to defend ourselves from. We should let Russia, Iran and North Korea for their own way of living, but we should always know that we need to prepar to defend against their dreams of colonial expansion into our land and culture. John, your understanding of this process is so poor that I feel ashamed on your behalf.😢
Geopolitics isn’t rational… it’s in American interest to stop Russia and other expansionist countries… that’s rational for an American. For Russia, they may think it’s rational to invade there neighbors for there specific goals… “rational” is just a word thrown around when geopolitics is almost all grey with very little black and white.
@@ThePetthoHe omits??
He doesn't mention Russian imperial past at all because in today's context it doesn't really matter.
Realism is an actual and far more comprehensive theory that exactly explains why nations do the things they do.
If realism didn't matter, America would have allowed Ukraine to have its nukes. USA always wanted to use Ukraine as a pawn to destabilize Russia, which is why it was left denuclearized and weak.
And if Russia was so colonial, it would have attacked Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia when they were becoming NATO states, it didn't.
This is the highest resolution in which I saw Mearsheimer. Plus, awesome audio quality. I thank your staff for both!
I thought the same thing! It's great to hear Mearsheimer through a good condenser mic :)
He has leftist audio 😅
You are a hero for using your platform to encourage love and truth. Most people in this world don't have the balls.
" …if that’s your definition of antisemitism, it’s taken an important term and stretched it to the point where it’s meaningless “ . That’s a great way to put how Israel and the US government is using the term
YOURE AN ANTI SEMITE
one of Israels greatest achievements is conflating any criticism of the state with criticism of the Jewish people at large and selling that notion successfully to the world since its inception... from a marketing standpoint its shear genius while simultaneously being utterly callus in its implementation..
Although I'd agree that the meaning of antisemitism has been stretched, nonetheless unqualified support for the Palestinian cause including groups like Hamas that requires the extermination of Jews is indeed anti-Semetic, advocates genocide and reprehensible. I'd recommend that people be careful who they support... It's possible to believe you're supporting a just cause but carelessly ally with someone who advocates or purposely does barbaric and inhumane acts. Do you or others really believe in inhumane acts on others and justify it in any way?
Lets not get the facts too twisted here for the longest time right up until this latest attack the Israeli State apparatus saw Hamas as an effective tool in the prevention of a Two state solution something they themselves were also utterly opposed to behind closed doors
Most of the time, Israeli policy was to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset. Far-right MK Bezalel Smotrich, now the finance minister in the hardline government and leader of the Religious Zionism party, said so himself in 2015.
According to various reports, Netanyahu made a similar point at a Likud faction meeting in early 2019, when he was quoted as saying that those who oppose a Palestinian state should support the transfer of funds to Gaza, because maintaining the separation between the Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza would prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state.
to follow your own logic this tacit support by the Israeli government of Hamas makes them inherently antisemitic.....
@@tonysu8860
Yea because Palestinian and Hamas don’t want to kill Jews ? You have no clue
What a legend - so many people would have read Mearsheimer in university and it's great to hear from him in a long format interview.
college is way to expensive to waste ANY of it on Russian Propaganda.
I haven't even fancied some educational institutions study the literature of freaks and clowns.
I haven't even fancied some educational institutions study the literature of freaks and clowns.
@@alexchristensen9712 there isn't propaganda. It's history but I get it Americans are really uneducated 🤣
This is the first person on earth who drew attention to the fact that the German army committed genocide against Soviet citizens. As a result, more Slavs suffered than Jews. I have always talked about this and will continue to talk about it
Not being hateful about it but the jews just crys loudest about it. And in international courts
Good 👍🏻
The Jews suffered in the hands of hitler they did not cry out loud they really was crying please don’t talk bad about dead people.
It might be relevant to know that Mearsheimer receives funding from the Valdai Club, a Kremlin "think tank". For me that explains a lot about his views/comments on the Russo-Ukrainian conflict. Just saying
#DanieleGanser about different fear
Loved this guys intellectual honesty. Instead of disagreeing outright, he will go "well, in order to make that argument, you have to argue for X". This kind of devils advocism is really important to honest discourse imo.
false, that is a strawman argument and you should not believe a single thing this old irrelevant man said.
Its not.devils argument.if.you lookong for TRUTH
@@simonsays735 cringe
@@googlecolab5408 TRUTH SHALL SET.YOU FREE MY.BROTHER
It's not devil's advocate. He's a disciplined scholar, not like you.
Mearsheimer is probably one of the most realistic analyst of global geopolitics, especially with the Russia-Ukraine War. Really look forward to his participation in more podcasts across platforms
He's antisemetic to a degree . He hides a lot of truth that would support Israel .
He's leaving the door open for Biden to turn his back on Israel .
We better acknowledge the fact that Islam wants to eliminate all other religions faiths .
If Israel falls , the authoritarian regimes will take down democracy one country at a time and they will do it as an alliance of dictatorships .
Chomsky said the same exact thing as Mearsheimer about Zalinsky and Putin were negotiating for peace first three weeks and it is the United States to blame for the war they insisted Zalinsky not negotiate
I think he’s able to communicate the principles of power in Geo-politics, but I completely disagree with his assessment of Ukraine; he seems willfully ignorant of the corruption which belies the cleptocractic Russian state.
NATO isn’t an existential threat, it’s just a scape-goat for a short-man with a napoleonic complex.
They have resources, and can offset that necessity of a large population with a couple thousand nukes…Putin wants Ukraine, because he is a looter. Nothing more than a nuclear bully. As far as I’m concerned, mearsheimer is running cover for putin through his intellectualism. Garbage.
@@wotiluvabsolute nonsense ..
24 Feb putin was calling the Ukrainian government nazis who needed to be replaced , he sent a chechen assassination team to kill zelensky..
Yet you think weeks later he and zelensky were having peace talks .
I listened to this guy about 9 months ago .
He was even then giving it all about how ukraine was about to be overrun then .
Guess what , he was wrong .
Definitely gives a pro putin argument in his analysis at least did 9 months ago
@@rschloch he’s right you’re dead wrong
The fact that this podcast has so many views gives me hope
Putin expected “Anschluss” of Ukraine using 190k soldiers.
Mearsheimer owes me a full night's sleep--which I lost as a result of listening to this interview into the morning. Worth every minute. It's funny how you can forget what it's like to listen to or read a thinker who has knowledge, wisdom and the rare ability to communicate clearly.
He’s a “rockstar” in IR
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I'm stuck, it's 23:49, still got 3hours to through, can't stop 😢
Westetn liberal demicracies were the drivers of all conflict post-cold war. African countries are still trying to extracate themselves. Institutions of state in the West are all money controlled. Power pyramid is ultimate goal, as financial net can spread endesly. Once the expansion slows down, or countries become imune to penetration, the pyramid implodes. It is kept inflated by generating a trillion every hundred days. The theory of democracy in the conditions of hyper-financialization, does not hold water. At present, testing Russia and China, as small pray is no longer sufficient. The hope lies in internal reforms that eliminates or balances the relations between financial and real economy. Nothing is hopeless. But itvwill take knowledge and determination.
it's only 3:26 long, if you listened into the morning you went to bed after 3 or something :D I think the problem lies there my friend
This is probably the best long format CZcams video I seen in years.
Especially the Ukrainian-Russian conflict. Very informative
Let's make no mistake, Mearsheimer is a biased man giving a biased point of view.
@@jamesr8584
Yes, but he is very open about his bias, and from what perspective he looks at issues.
It's the individual viewer responsibility to look for countervailing opinions. And then weigh the arguments.
Just want to let people know, he tends to be on the outer fringe than the consensus view you would get from objective political scientists and historians. He does not give fair representation in many topics he writes about.
I'm glad he gave Mearsheimer some play after having given Kotkin two interviews.
I very much enjoyed this interview. Also, I appreciate Lex Fridman’s style of respecting his guest and letting them fully answer his questions. Another thing, Lex Fridman always seems to be prepared but can make room for the unexpected. Lex Fridman is a respectful, courteous, and professional interviewer. I think Lex Fridman may be a bit idealistic and maybe just a bit naive at times, but these are hardly threatening qualities and, as I said, show in small amounts.
Dr. Mearsheimer is brilliant and a trove of knowledge. I greatly enjoyed hearing his thoughts in this interview. I may have to read one of his books now.
I love how lex has a soft voice and remains totally calm, allows the hosts to talk without interruption and asks great questions 💗 just like Nima alkorshid and Danny boy hiaphong, I love youze guys ❤🎉
I could listen to Mr. Mearsheimer discuss foreign policy all day.
He is interesting. But also he is an academic and a contrarian. It is fun but his notions about Russia are not very deep.
@@opinion4755 he is not a contrarian. He is a realist, those are his beliefs and he lived through times when realism was popular theory in the West and through times where Liberalism was (is) more popular than Realism. What is popular is out of his hands.
@@opinion4755his ideas only seem contrarian because people take his ideas and snip them to fit into their political/cultural discussions and debates.
For example his opposition to confronting Russia in Ukraine has nothing to do with the current discussion of who is in the right and whether Ukraine deserves support, or even should the US support any foreign wars, these are ongoing debates in America, and people engaged in those debates use his opinion on this issue.
But his actual idea has nothing to do with these discussions, he’s a realist, and he believes America should pivot to Southeast Asia to confront China, as he sees China as the main rival to the US, and in the process America should neutralize Russia from joining China, but the US did the opposite, it antagonized Russia and this made Russia fall into Chinese arms, which strengthened China, while distracting the west from fighting China
I'd rather listen to someone else's diarrhea.
Yayyy a smart but contrarian propagandist that hides from that title by saying hes a realist. :)
00:00 🌍 John Mearsheimer emphasizes the importance of power in international relations and how states seek power for survival due to the absence of a higher authority in the global system.
02:33 📈 Power in international relations is largely determined by population size and wealth, with these factors underpinning a state's strength.
05:31 🌐 Anarchy in international politics refers to the absence of a higher authority above states, leading them to maximize relative power for survival.
09:26 🤝 Nations strive for power to ensure security, not necessarily aggression, driven by historical examples like the Century of National Humiliation in China.
12:26 🌐 Realism versus liberalism in international relations: Realists focus on power, competition, and war as instruments of statecraft, while liberals have more optimistic views, emphasizing aspects like democratic peace theory, economic interdependence, and institutions for peaceful coexistence.
16:44 🏛 Democratic peace theory suggests that democracies tend not to fight each other due to shared norms and values, while realists argue that structural dynamics, not democracy, drive state behavior.
18:45 💰 Economic interdependence theory posits that economic ties between nations deter war, yet realists assert that security concerns often override economic interests in conflicts.
19:44 📜 Liberal institutionalism proposes that rule-based institutions can promote peace, contrasting with realist notions that survival trumps prosperity in critical situations.
23:13 🤔 Realist divisions include structural realists (focus on system) vs. human nature realists (emphasis on individual psychology) and within structural realism, the distinction between offensive (seeking power) and defensive (maintaining power) realists.
25:11 🌐 Structural considerations heavily influenced Nazi Germany's aggressive behavior, highlighting the interplay between structural factors and individual leadership (e.g., Hitler's "will to power").
27:07 🇩🇪 Factors like resentment over the Versailles Treaty played a role in Hitler's rise to power, showcasing the complex interplay between historical grievances, individual psychology, and international conflicts.
28:02 🌐 Hitler's rise to power was influenced by factors such as resentment, economic depression, and his ability to pull Germany out of the Great Depression.
30:31 🌍 Structural elements drove significant historical events, like Hitler's actions in World War II, but history is multidimensional, involving various aspects beyond mere individuals.
31:56 🛠 Realism in international relations theory answers key questions about security competition and great power wars but doesn't explain every aspect, like the specifics behind events like the Holocaust.
34:24 🤔 Hitler's decisions in World War II had resistance internally within Germany, especially concerning the invasion of Poland and France, contrasting with the less oppositional decision to invade the Soviet Union.
36:29 🏹 Hitler's strategy involved various axis points in different directions during World War II, emphasizing the importance of different approaches and target regions.
39:27 🔍 Soviet Union's fierce resistance against Nazi Germany was driven by the genocidal nature of the adversary and the understanding that surrender meant death, motivating them to fight fiercely.
42:27 🕊 Putin's invasion of Ukraine in 2022 wasn't necessarily about conquering all of Ukraine, but primarily a response to NATO expansion into Ukraine, as evidenced by negotiation attempts to end the conflict soon after it began.
48:11 ⚔ NATO's expansion into Eastern Europe, particularly Ukraine, despite Russia's objections, significantly contributed to the conflict and tensions between Russia and the West.
51:31 🌍 The West's strategy aimed to make Ukraine a pro-Western democratic state within NATO and the EU, which clashed with Russia's security concerns and led to a dire situation.
52:57 🛡 Putin doesn't aspire to recreate the Soviet Union but prioritizes Russia's security, particularly regarding NATO's proximity to Russian borders. His primary concern is to prevent NATO expansion into Ukraine.
56:24 🌍 Putin faced a challenging period of national humiliation for Russia, and it took time to rebuild the country's strength.
57:51 🛡 The US held significant power from 1989 to 2017, remaining the strongest global player.
58:49 🇷🇺 Russians' historical experiences with invasions make them sensitive about Ukraine's proximity to their border.
59:18 🌐 Strategists need empathy to understand others' perspectives in international politics.
01:00:14 🤝 Putin's perception of NATO expansion differs from the US's benign view, impacting their reactions.
01:02:47 💔 Prospects for a meaningful peace agreement in Ukraine appear dim, frozen conflict likely.
01:04:55 🤔 Direct talks between Zelensky and Putin might have a sliver of a chance without US involvement.
01:08:30 💡 Potential solutions involve Ukraine's neutrality and accepting Russia's territorial gains.
01:13:02 🕊 Trust issues from failed agreements hinder the possibility of successful negotiations.
01:17:58 🔄 Removing Putin won't likely lead to a more peaceful resolution in Ukraine; a replacement might be more hardline.
01:20:36 🎙 Asking Putin direct, specific questions might reveal insights into his perspectives and intentions.
01:24:38 🚀 Deterrence Strategy: Mearsheimer argues that possessing nuclear weapons serves as a powerful deterrent, especially for weaker nations like Ukraine against potential adversaries.
01:25:36 🌍 NATO and Ukraine: Mearsheimer criticizes NATO expansion and argues against bringing Ukraine into NATO, foreseeing its destruction. He suggests that stability in Europe is better served by avoiding such actions.
01:26:35 💣 Nuclear Weapons Use: In a MAD (Mutual Assured Destruction) world, Mearsheimer discusses the potential use of nuclear weapons for manipulation of risk and as a demonstration effect. He explains historical Cold War scenarios and speculates on Russia's potential use in a conflict with Ukraine.
01:32:28 🌐 Rapid Escalation: The conversation delves into the terrifying dynamics of nuclear weapon use in the modern age, considering the fast-paced nature of news, social media, and how a small demonstration of power can lead to unpredictable and catastrophic consequences.
01:38:34 🇮🇱🇵🇸 Israel-Palestine Conflict: Mearsheimer attributes the October 7th, 2023, Hamas attack to the ongoing Israeli occupation. He discusses the diminishing prospects of a two-state solution due to increased Israeli resistance and loss of interest, emphasizing the need for peace in the region.
01:46:52 🕊 Conflict and Leadership: Mearsheimer dismisses the notion that those in power benefit from conflict, asserting that Israeli leaders prefer submission over resistance. He underscores the importance of achieving a two-state solution for lasting peace.
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Learnt something today from John Mearsheimer: The Hubris/Humility index!!! 😂😂😂
This was a great conversation, Lex; enjoyed it! 👍🏽
Before I even watch this, let me say I appreciate you for having Prof. Mearsheimer. He is a legend and I'm always interested in what he has to say. Thank you Lex. Stay true to yourself.
He is the greatest- both Lex and Dr. M simply rule
He is not a legend, he is an old fool who promotes a dead concept of international relations.
Really? Love Lex for his openness but Prof M I always find profoundly disappointing. Half of what he says is OK but just Wikipedia level historical knowledge and when he lays out his realism perspective it is interesting but as soon as he applies it to current events he contradicts what he just said about realism. The rare times an interviewer calls out his obvious contradictions he gets flustered and brushes it off without answering.
@@WilkinsMichael Oh come on, man. Who are you to criticize someone like John Mearsheimer? You have no credentials. 5 subscribers and no uploads since 2009. Am I wrong? Did you go to West Point?
@@lukeasacher This is exactly the pathetic way of thinking that causes these disasters. You need to learn to think for yourself. If you think someone is right or wrong depending on their academic reputation or number of CZcams followers (LOL!) you are admitting that you are a total moron. It is the ideas, and facts crafted into arguments that are important. The more I watch and read Prof. M the more shocked I am people take him seriously. For example, in this video, he literally contradicts his own philosophy immediately after explaining it. He often makes things up and then dodges when confronted with the statements he just made.
I gotta say... This has to be one of my very favorites. I could listen to this guy talk all day! Woke up to this playing and couldn't go back to sleep because it was so interesting. 3 hours later...
Mearsheimer is probably the foremost authority on foreign relations in the US, and he says that no one in the US government has ever asked his opinion or advice about anything.
Too bad he wants to maintain US hegemony in this world and is agaisnt a multi polar world. He wants the US to dominate China, as a chinese i can't accept that view. Wont happen anyway, The US is too weak, its a declining power.
@@juliensorel5535 While I agree with a lot of what Mearsheimer said it has to be pointed out that there were a few things he avoided any discussion of.
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1) During the HOLODOMOR (1931 - 1932) Russia starved 2 Million Ukrainians to death.
2) At no point in this article is MEARSHEIMER particularly critical of Putin. In fact he concistently describes Putin in a positive light.
3) Putin's actions protect Him and his Oligarch buddies at a huge cost to the Russian and Ukrainian people.
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MEARSHEIMER has a very selective blindness.
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@CBCPROPAGANDA 1) I don't think it is reasonable to expect him to discuss everything in every interview
2) Putin is the man who saved Russia from destruction by the West. It is not his job to save the world. I have read two biographies, both written by men who are opposed to him and to Russia, and I have great respect for him.
3) I don't think that you have read much of anything relating to the things you speak so knowingly about.
4) Do you actually expect people to give your views precedence over Mearsheimer's? If you do, you are completely delusional. How many books have you written on this topic?
@@juliensorel5535That's maybe because he parrots a lot of Russia's propaganda
Can we have a discussion about central banks, the Fed's etc involvement in world affairs since 1913?
Make your case & present your evidence/sources. You can talk about anything.
Stephen Kotkin talks about the Fed's role somewhat, on this podcast, though he could be hypothetically called an apologist for the Western-led order, so he admits a little on these things, rather than emphasizing them.
This has been the most intelligent conversation I’ve heard about the wars we’re navigating. This is the kind of real conversations that can make a difference in this complicated world. As the daughter of a holocaust survivor every cell in me is crying out for all the lives being lost because of pride, miscommunication and dogma. Thank you Lex for creating a platform for these conversations.
Thank you for also putting in all the data and news articles whenever he brought up a point.
Absolutely love this way of listening to a person... I have learned so much by your conversations and am truly captivated by each of your guests. Sincerely grateful for all that you do!
@lexfridman Hello Mr. Friedmann. Thank you for this and other interviews you've already made. You're bringing more understanding and peace to this world with help of your guests. Is there going to be a german Version of it? Greetings from Germany😊
"I think about aliens a lot" J.M *smiles politely*
Lol
I thought it was cringey on Mearshiemers part..
Occupation??? You mean like every country in the world. The only difference with the Israelis is they were too kind hearted not to kick the Arabs out once after beating them in war after war. There are millions of refugees all over the world, who left this year. The Palestinians are the only ones the world cares about, because no one agrees to take them in. That includes 22 Arab and another 30 non Arab Muslim countries. Why? Because they start terror organizations and try to overthrow the local government. Israel is the only country where a large group of Palestinians live with full rights. The only reason the West Bank and Gaza were not treated like people us because the Palestinians there did and do what they tried to do in Jordan and Egypt, violently overthrow the local government. Those countries put them down with startling, immense violence. (See Black Friday.) If you want more facts, rather than fake news buzz words, see TravellingIsrael, Benny Morris, Douglas Murray.
Lex Fridman you have a great talent for interviewing your guests, intelligent, well thought out questions that invoke a relaxed atmosphere were your guests can open up and speak freely without having to be defensive.
This is my second time watching this podcast. I hope listening to this and commenting does not go against thought police.
What a great dialogue. An hour in, you can see that Professor Mearsheimer is having way more fun talking with Lex than doing one of his usual Q&A sessions after a lecture. And the interjected visuals---maps, graphs, and especially the quotes from the Minsk Accords liars---added immensely. Phenomenal podcast.
While I agree with a lot of what Mearsheimer said it has to be pointed out that there were a few things he avoided any discussion of.
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1) During the HOLODOMOR (1931 - 1932) Russia starved 2 Million Ukrainians to death.
2) At no point in this article is MEARSHEIMER particularly critical of Putin. In fact he concistently describes Putin in a positive light.
3) Putin's actions protect Him and his Oligarch buddies at a huge cost to the Russian and Ukrainian people.
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MEARSHEIMER has a very selective blindness.
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@@CBCPROPAGANDAas much as you might like him to insult Putin more, none of those things are actually necessary to discussion of the fields Mearsheimer specializes in. Also, Please show where he describes Putin in an unequivocally positive light outside of calling him a mostly rational actor.
@@mysteryman6918 ??? So 'mosttly rational' is not good enough ???
@@CBCPROPAGANDA well, you’re saying that Mearsheimer somehow needs to be critical of Putin to get his unrelated points across. What those criticisms should be, you don’t say what they are or why they’re relevant. It reads to me like you’re suggesting Mearsheimer needs to temper his analysis of Putin being mostly rational in the field of international relations, by insulting his personality or his policies inside of Russia (which I doubt Mearsheimer agrees with).
@@mysteryman6918 MEARSHEIMER managed to discuss Russian-Ukreaine politics for more than an hour WITHOUT once mentioning the HOLODOMOR. Isn't that just a tiny bit suspect ???
"If wars can be started by LIES, Peace can be started by TRUTH." - Julian Assange.
🆓 Julian Assange
lol quoting this muppet . Imagine that
@@hadror13 Is this John Boltons youtube account?
"Hubris is not a bad thing but at the same time you need humility" wow this was a powerful conservation...
Thank you for a great podcast , full of great questions and answers
great convo, John Mearsheimer is intellectually honest and his realism is refreshing
Intellectually “honest” - what the hell does that even mean?
@@purenkool2011 He's not a liar like our US politicians on everything Ukraine
So pleasant to listen to an articulate, very well read and non-aggressive person like Mearsheimer.
he's very agressively lying, not knowing the facts and clearly on putin's payroll... if the enemies within the West are these kind of idiots, that's not a huge problem
Mearsheimer speaks without any knowledge on Ukraine.
@@craptacluar can you qualify your position on this?
He's a political scientist, specifically focusing on American foreign policy. He looks at how the U.S. government's decisions match up with America's key strategic goals. Knowing everything about Ukraine isn't as important as understanding the big picture of what's best for the U.S. John's got a pretty sharp take on the whole Ukraine-Russia situation. Ever since the Clinton era, the U.S. has been too caught up in wars that don't really matter for our main goals, like the one in Ukraine. His view on Russia is clear, straightforward, and sadly true. In a world where power is spread out, it would make more sense for the U.S. to team up with Russia instead of China. But what's happening is we're actually pushing Russia closer to China, which is a rookie move. It's like we're following a childish wish-list of how the world should work, instead of dealing with the real deal.
@@justforlaughs1111 Mearsheimer has spent no time learning about Ukraine, done no research in the country, doesn't speak the languages. He isn't speaking only about America's decisions, he is claiming to know what Putin is thinking in his head and AGREES with him.
His geopolitical view would mean USA should never have gained independence from England.
@@craptacluar
LOL, your username fits your comment perfectly.
What doesn't Mearsheimer know about Ukraine that changes the facts about what he said?
Mearsheimer claims to know what Putin is thinking in his head? You must have Mearsheimer confused with Timothy Snyder.
Lex, you're such a wonderful man. May the gods love thee and keep thee always. Very very good interview, as always.
My critical analysis of how Lex has handled other guests cannot detract from the respect I have for giving us this Honest discourse. Mad Props
Phenomenon reportage...been on replay during my entire work day. Please continue with this endeavour
Lex, I'm continually impressed with your ability to have belief in humanity and the way you conduct yourself in these discussions. You are definitely one of a kind. Having people of exactly opposite views without you showing preference and bias is really applaudable.
youre joking right? or are you also jewish? Check the Ye interview out for reference
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@@nordics834why would the way Kenya acts reflect Lex at all? He literally said in this video he talks to people from all walks of life.
It is not opposite view. It is just Putin lie and propaganda. steal, murder and blame it on US.
100% agree, its very difficult to communicate with people of all kinds of backgrounds, he does a very good job of that
Замечательный гость и беседа 🤜🤛
На английском языке, было немного сложно слушать, за то узнала много новых слов на английском.)
Отличный перевод на русский язык.
Благодарю всех причастных!
A pleasure to listen. The rhetoric, the willingness to hear each other, the logic beyond proving his point not for the sake of being right but for the search of truth. Thank you Lex for making it possible and thank you professor Mearsheimer for bringing some light in such a dark scenario.
Surprising, after 400 epiodes Lex just found John Mearsheimer!
Well Lex is CIA so they don't like truthful Info.
400 episodes? Already?
Hey, after 400 episodes, I just found Lex Fridman!
After the Musk and Mearsheimer interviews, I guess I have a lot of catching up to do!
So far, Lex is Rex.
I thinks it's "safe" to have him on now that, unfortunately, the war is lost against Russia.
@@joshbell5387yeah... It would've been a more explosive interview in March last year, and it would've aged spectacularly well.
@@joshbell5387Several number of his guests appeared in multiple podcasts.
The images during the video are super! Really amazing your interviews! keep them coming
John Mearsheimer is such a gem! He is educating the public by providing such depth of how states operate so we can make better decisions on selecting our leaders.
Being neutral in the face of genocide is choosing the violence of the aggressor
I listened to this podcast twice.. my goodness i was longing for an extreme objective human online. What high intellectual conversation
Mearshimer is a Putin apologist.
Too bad they come so few & far between😮 If only our brothers, our neighbors & the rest out there could be exposed to & enlightened with such a decent, proper conversation between 2 bloody adults for goodness sake 😮 it's such a shame we are so propagandized isn't it people? My God we ALL KNOW we've GOT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT 💪🙏✌️
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Lex Fridman’s “objectiveness” also lets his guests control the narrative to whatever extent they desire. He doesn’t push back on misinformation. He’s a phony. Terrible interviewer at that. Imagine having John Mearsheimer and you bring up Elon Musks’s foreign policy opinion. What an idiot.
Mearsheimer is not objective in the slightest. He is a child of the Cold War. He can only think in terms of imperial interests of the USA, Russia, China. He treats all other countries, especially those in the historical sphere of Russian influence, as pawns, subjects of the game played by the big players. It's absolutely repugnant and as a Pole I find it hard to be reduced to a minion who has no say which side I want to align with. Mearsheimer grants no voice, no independence to Poland, Ukraine, the Baltic states. We are independent nations with a proud history. Mearsheimer can't tell us who we should ally. If we prefer the US over Russia (and it's obvious why we prefer the US), then Mearsheimer should f*ck off and shut up.
Hard topics, light hearted final moments, then the Plato quote to sum. I really enjoyed it all and found value in so much of the discussion. You do a great job Lex.
Harder when people ignore Nazi Baathism, the basis for Arab governance. Pan Arabism was started in the 30's by Nazis in the ME. Actual swastika wearing Nazis laid this ground work and nobody wants to talk about Mufti and Nazi policy of PAN ARABISM.
Well said.
not really. He hardly pushed back at all.
How dare you call it light hearted. Antisemite!
@@josspaddock Such a heavy-hearted fella.
This is an impressive interview. Third time listening to it and it is still objective as well as accurate - its April
This was an eye opener
Thanks for democratizing intellectual discussion at a higher level than what is out there in the red ocean of internet media
I wish it actually was a more of a discussion, as I hoped Lex would ask more about some of more contradicting or incorrect points he makes, but certainly a much more interesting dialogue than on some obscure channels Mearsheimer often goes to.
@@mb-bp1ebwhat do you think is John's most glaring mistake or contradiction?
@@mb-bp1eb Maybe I'm wrong, but I feel like Lex was resonating with what he was saying, given his nationality. Might be why he either chose not to or simply doesn't recognize the discrepancies.
@@jtzoltan Maybe not glaring, but I feel like he always talks about israeli side neglecting the 2 state solution which I don't believe is correct. Unlike the Netanyahu there were many jewish leaders who actually accepted the 2 state solution while arab side refused and attacked. The palestinians are just too crazy to deal with and basicaly all arab states in the region in last 50 years either expelled them or were destabilised by them like Lebanon. As someone from middle/eastern europe I just dont share his admiration for Putin and Russia. (some americans from that era just have that romantic idea :) They can not be trusted and nothing apart violence, lies and missery ever came from that part of the world.. but that can be just my genetics and family experience from last 100 years :)
Then again - lot of things he says makes sense. He made interesting point about the ukraine nukes, but I guess that Ukraine was such a mess back then that both West and Russia just did not feel like letting those 800 nukes laying around :)
Also.. I feel like he gives more credit to russian millitary power than it deserves lately (but who knows) and ignores that people in eastern europe, Poland, Ukraine, Balkan, Baltic and Finland actually have something to say about where they stand - Im not sure if that cold war bipolar logic still aplies.
@mb-bp1eb yeah I can sympathize with your position: it frusteates me how so many people talk about Israel commiting atrocities without even knowing that prior to any such event, there was just about always a revolt, terror attack, invasion by Arab states that preceded it. They're so awash in one-sided propaganda and don't even know it. I also feel for the Palestinians as people suffering the situation and huper propagandized, though they can't help it due to who's in control there. It seems that the surrounding Arab states just use the Palestinians as an festering open wound for Israel. I personally think the Israelis would have done better to have not gone for an offensive in Palestine after Oct. 7th... I think they could have had so much sympathy while there be so much disgust with Hamas, while all the Hamas apologists would have looked terrible trying to defend those actions... they could have made demands of Hamas that they would turn down, and after exhausting those other mediated options, they could then go for an invasion. I could easily be naive though.
As for Russia, my dad is Hungarian. When he was 12, him, his brother, sister and parents escaped to Austria just as the Soviets were closing the borders again after reoccupying Hungary as the 1957 uprising came to an end. I have no love for the Soviet Union nor modern Russia... they destroyed my family, who were minor land holders before the Soviet takeover. I don't think modern Russia is the same as the Soviets, and I don't like the mob influence in their state and cultural problems, but also think they're heavily propagandized against. I find this conflict with Ukraine difficult and feel the Ukrainian people have been crushed and used as pawns in Great Game conflicts. When it comes down to it, I don't blame Russia for it primarily, but the class of people who captured the US government who along with the UK, sabotaged the early 2022 peace talks. The way the US-UK axis exercises influence over Europe is disturbing to me, Germany's economic and political interests have been badly mismanaged and it was sad how they did nothing after the Nordstream 2 sabotage... the Anglo-Americans in my view do not want Germany and Russia to align as it would be a competitor to them who are evidently fixated on maintaining unipolar hegemony in my view. I think many of the things we love about the free West are being dismantled by this same class in Washington and London and the pinnacle elites.
I agree with Mersheimer about the Minsk accords being done in bad faith to buy time by NATO, that has been documented. There are some arguments that the Euromaiden Revolution wasn't necessarily a US intelligence backed operation, but I come down on the side that says it was.
It's tough because Russia just doesn't have the soft-power to asdress all these subversive, underhanded ploys run by the Anglo-Americans who do have that soft power, so they can do these power grabs and still spin it like Russia was the bad guy... I think Russia could either allow the continual erosion of their interests, and to be surrounded by the US and allies, or they could resort to the military option when other routes fail.
I could be wrong though, and have put too much weight on this perspective, so I'm interested to hear other perspectives on it
An excellent guest to challenge one's assumptions, presumptions, prejudices and beliefs. Thanks Lex, John.
His whole application of his own theory is completely incoherent.
He says states always seek to expand their power and control but when asked if Russia does the same he says that would be ridiculous and Putin only acted because threatened. What a lolcow
@@Max-ww7izyeah it makes no sense. It’s somehow the wests fault that Ukraine tries to find Allie’s to protect against an aggressor.
@@Max-ww7iz He’s saying that Putin from his own perspective views NATO expansion as a threat to his nation. Putin then takes an opportunity to attack and expand under the guise of a national security threat. It’s still expansionist it’s just a bit deeper than that.
@@Max-ww7izok, random guy on CZcams with zero experience in international politics😂
@@galaxypanda1288 pretty stupid then to bring all neighbours (🇫🇮🇸🇪🇺🇦) into Nato considering that Nato-Expansion wasn't even on the table. Which he himself acknowledged when he said it was denied by 🇫🇷🇩🇪 in 08.
(And it was put even further under the table because of the 2014 war Putin started, as Nato won't admit anyone with ongoing territorial conflicts)
So not only incoherent and not applying his own theory but also denying basic factual reality
The people need to unite. Rise up & demand peace. What a concept
I hope, there are going to be discussions on this highly respectful and intellectual level on tv soon too. Minimum emotions, maximum objectivity. Thank you so much, Lex. You do a great job.
Unfortunately, TV is going in the other direction....hard.
I love all the added illustrations, articles and sources added throughout, over the guest speaking. Great episode.
While I agree with a lot of what Mearsheimer said it has to be pointed out that there were a few things he avoided any discussion of.
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1) During the HOLODOMOR (1931 - 1932) Russia starved 2 Million Ukrainians to death.
2) At no point in this article is MEARSHEIMER particularly critical of Putin. In fact he concistently describes Putin in a positive light.
3) Putin's actions protect Him and his Oligarch buddies at a huge cost to the Russian and Ukrainian people.
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MEARSHEIMER has a very selective blindness.
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@@CBCPROPAGANDAyou're misunderstanding
because there was no holodomor, do your homework@@CBCPROPAGANDA
Which citations? Did I miss them?
Which of the lies he told did you find most compelling?
Lex, what I love about your range of speakers is that they trigger me to ask myself, “What do *I* think about this subject,” rather than passively listening to a speaker who echos my preexisting thoughts.
About time, good to see this interview with John. Now lets have Norman Finkelstine.
For me I can not stand listening to Norman F…it might his voice, tone, repeating of something over & over
@@midmomom2490 then don't listen. It is not north korea where you have to listen to whatever supreme leader says.
@@bobobobo3142 I stopped listening to him thank you
@@midmomom2490zionists dont usually like him i would assume
Ah yes the internet's two favourite pop historians
No offense to Lex, but his knowledge about 20th century world-affairs is EXACTLY why humanities academics warned about overassignment to a handful of STEM fields that have no room for electives. The system produces “highly-specialized” -units, and that’s not nearly so glamorous as it sounds.
Lex you are a Giant amongst Minnows I think you are 1 of the best persons in our world your smart compassionate and very strong you Rock bro
I,m Danny from Austrailia
I loved the point where Lexy was talking about Aliens and John just looked at him.
Benjamin Netanyahu: 'America is a thing you can move very easily' :
“I know what America is," Netanyahu told a group of terror victims, apparently not knowing his words were being recorded. "America is a thing you can move very easily, move it in the right direction. They won't get in their way."
“Netanyahu also bragged how he undercut the peace process when he was prime minister during the Clinton administration. "They asked me before the election if I'd honor [the Oslo accords]," he said. "I said I would, but ... I'm going to interpret the accords in such a way that would allow me to put an end to this galloping forward to the '67 borders. How did we do it? Nobody said what defined military zones were. Defined military zones are security zones; as far as I'm concerned, the entire Jordan Valley is a defined military zone. Go argue."
Source : Washington Post, Haaretz, Business Insider, etc
1:38:05
@@thinkbeforeyoutype7106 yep!
Mearsheimer has quite a devilish/cheeky smile for such an esteemed academic lol
@@michaelodonovan3732 Reminds me of biden
In 2004, I was stationed in Tashkent and was watching a television program of a Russian news anchor interviewing a German journalist about the American election coming up. They both lamented that Americans were too stupid to vote for the most powerful man in the world. “The average American does not understand what’s going on in the world and they don’t even care to try and understand. They only worry about themselves.” This apathy, coupled with bad diplomatic and economic policy creates heartache all over the world. I fear they were right. Videos like this one should have millions of views and likes by now. Press on Lex. You are doing an important service to your adopted country.
I mean...every voters of every country doesn't have the capacity to also worry about the world. Taxpayers focus on themselves.
when it comes down to the problems outward with the world or the problems inward with you and your family…its an easy way to decide to be selfish, a dog eat dog world.
Bulllshiittt, they only have two options democrat or republican
So it doesn't matter
Just focus on ur and urs family's life and live life
Rather than worrying about all these issues around the world that u have no power to solve
It's that simple
It's just the news channels and CZcams channels that want ur attention and they find ways to convince u to watch
Remember too many really smart people are working day and night just to waste your time by grabbing ur attention
Ur attention is ur time and ur time is ur life
So u r giving away ur life by consuming all these useless issues (They are of no use for u and ur family)
The Americans don't understand that the choosing democrats or republicans ate the same, these people don't represent their interest. 😂😂
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Where do you live? Heaven? Your leaders don't represent you too.
This man should be part of every US administration period
must be a reason he s not invited,russian shill most likely😂
I gained so much insights and very reliable explanations from this conversation. Please keep bringing such conversations ! Thank you so much
Please bring Prof. Stephen Kotkin and Prof. John Mearsheimer to your podcast for a debate. I think it will be extremely informative and interesting two see opposing views (especially on the Russia-Ukraine front) collide!
This. ^ please this
It would be a fun debate indeed. Though, I doubt Kotkin would have much of a chance against Mearsheimer. Kotkin seems to argue that Russian politics has a long thread of autocratic rulers dominating the scene, which is true enough, but that has nothing to do whether or not NATO expansion into Ukraine presents an existential security dilemma to Russia. It does, that is undeniable. The length of the border would be cost prohibitive to defend. Furthermore, the ability of NATO to amass a first strike arsenal with sufficient capabilities to neutraliser Russia's second strike capacity, which would obviate their nuclear deterrent, would be a real possibility.
Based on that, it does not matter who was Russia's leader, anyone would respond by preventing NATO from checkmating them.
I was thinking the same thing during this entire interview. Mearsheimer makes some good points but I find he is a bit of an apologist in favour of Russia. Kotkin would have some good counter points here.
I’m just a nobody and have only a cursory understanding of Russian geopolitics, but I don’t see how NATO is a threat to Russia in terms of aggression. NATO is a defensive organization, and from what I can tell about its European members, they want no to do with a war, especially one of first strike into Russia of all places. If anyone is scared it’s Western Europe of Russia. I disagree with this guy on Putin as well…I think Putin is just a Russian Mob thug who wants more power…..I don’t think he’s dumb at all…but a mob thug nonetheless ….but what do I know….just kinda wanted to discuss and see what other people are thinking.
@@memeticist NATO is a defensive alliance. First Strike? It would never happen because ALL members must vote on it including Turkiy. NATO does not have a history of unprovokingly attacking its neighbors over the last 200 years. But there is one country in the region that does. That being said the US is a dangerous country, in fact you could argue they have been the most violent nation since WWII with military actions/presence in almost every country on the planet. However, there is an ENORMOUS difference between NATO and the US. Everyone in NATO has an equal vote.
Putin considers NATO an existential threat? Too bad; deal with it. I'm Canadian. I consider the US with their gun culture, China with their political interference in our elections, India who assassinated a Sikh activist on Canadian soil to be an existential threat. But what can we do about it? We have to live with it.
As someone whose main focus is on power dynamics and how power enforces the currents of life, John Mearsheimer is really interesting to listen to. He has a unique style when approaching such subjects, with an unapologetic attitude that helps get his point across.
Any more good speakers that come to mind in this context?
@@grinishkin Check out Henry Kissinger Interviews.
@@The_kahnx Thanks, in my short list
Eh not really. He claims to be a realist and views the world through power politics, and yet when asked about specific situations he just gives his personal political opinions.
He criticizes NATO expansion and Isreal’s brutality, yet he sounds so perfectly justified when talking about containing China and disallowing China to reunify.
Thank you, Alex, for having someone as knowledgeable yet humble as Professor John Mearsheimer. This meeting was very useful for me and I learned a lot from it. Words are not enough to thank you.❤
Thank you Lex and Dr. Mearsheimer for bringing this conversation to the world. Truly inspiring. So many ideas to unpack after listening to you both.
Excellent guest ! One of the most intelligent level-headed and straightforward thinking people I think I've ever had the privilege of listening to. thank you both ❤
And I was here thinking that only ones who could believe him are aliens or people who don't know anything about history.
@@clipcafe9432 exactly!
@@clipcafe9432only zionists disagree
yeah well he's not too smart when confusing genocide vs massacre. Mr. Mearsheimer ignorantly says it's a massacre instead of a genocide. Getting "rid" of a statehood from its own land IZZZZ A GENOCIDE.. DUM DUM
Sooo true. Love your honesty, bravery and humanity. Keep it up sir. Our society needs more people of your stature to speak to the truth… regardless of the labeling and consequence.
3:26:27 well, I really love you two guys. So much enjoyed your talk. Greetings from Vienna, still not lost.
Miersheimer is such a great speaker and one of the best thinkers on modern international relations. He just makes sense
yes, unfortunately he's lies make sense for uninformed populous
@@adolf_gold unless you can intelligently refute things he’s said, you should shut up
@@adolf_goldyeeees, so true, please, inform us of he’s lies
@@prundonmcavoy7155 It is sad to listen another intellectual who doesn't understand the region of Eastern Europe and Russia. Putin doesn't recognize Ukraine and other Eastern European countries as sovereign states. He or his cronies said that many times. He admits that it's impossible to rebuild USSR but boy you can tell he wants those lands back. Just implement capitalism instead of communism. John Mearsheimer conveniently doesn't remember Putin's main goals - demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. Denazification!? Country with jewish president. Country that supports Israel in the current war on the Hamas. In other hand we have Russia which collaborates with Hamas and tried to inflict smth like pogrom in the Dagestanian airport. So who should we denazify? And that's just a tip of an iceberg... Russia is a fascist state. If you don't believe me look at Russia's closest friends (Iran, North Korea, Hamas, Taliban, Bashar al-Assad, Lukashenko...) and then make your own conclusions.
Mearsheimer is no longer popular within academia and is only popular among people with limited experience in IR.
His theory can't conceptualize the peaceful end of the cold war, let alone predict it. It was one of the most important developments in IR yet their theory can't even account for it ...
This is Lex’s best interview - and I’ve listened to a lot of them.
Obviously though, you would have to listen to all of them in order to make such a statement.
No
Actually this may be the worst since he invited a pootlerite spokesperson and is clueless enough to eat up all he's being fed like a russian peasant ancestor he is.
Why he is clueless! Russia has invaded over 100 countries! Cant believe this guy has no understanding of Russia let alone Europe. Countries wanting to come to NATO is because they don't want to be invaded by Russia.
Well, it could have something to do with his interview partner here 😀That's some actual intellectual who dedicated his life to (political) science coupled with an overwhelming knowledge of history and international relations. There's no comparison to guys like Bezos or Musk. They're simply not in the same league as Mearsheimer.
The Chinese dont gave 800 military bases all over the globe.
Prof. is quite easy to listen to and his presentations are good.
People don't want to hear different opinion, they just want to listen someone else confirming their own opinion. Freedom of speech is hard. Thank you Lex for your sacrifice to freedom of speech. You bring hope, love and opportunity to grow to all people who listen to you. At the same time, I am worried about you. After having this brave professor as your guest, I wouldn't be surprised if they cancel you. I love you, you beautiful human, you are not alone. In collective unconscious we are all one.
Your very first sentence is exactly the weakness in democracy... how can democracy be optimal if the majority of voters are uninformed and incapable of making a good decision... if the majority is flawed then the result of the popular vote will only mirror the flaws of society.
@@Writeous0ne This isnt new info, this is the exact reason the founding fathers made us a constitutional republic.
Just curious, why do you think his views could be considered controversial? The things he was saying were pretty much on point with how I’ve always viewed things. Maybe the only small exception is I guess I would be considered, in his terms, a human nature realist. He kept saying ‘the system’ but what system? If he’s referring to the tribalism of having individual countries to me that’s still human nature.
Your point about different opinions is well taken, taidasun. I attempt to consume a balanced diet of opposing views and avoid living in an echo chamber. There are, however, a few holes in Professor Mearsheimer's reasoning and assessments. Plenty of food for thought.
Oh no its nothing to do with "different opinion". This old man is just ignorant and delusional.
He knows about Russia hmmm almost nothing pressing that Russia is like united states but on the other side of the planet.
Im telling you this as russian who live his whole life in moscow
Been waiting for this one for a long time. Thank you, Lex. It's apparent it wasnt an easy conversation for you. You're appreciated.
Why hasn't Lex come out and condemned Russia for what it has done?
@@craptacluar But do you condemn Hamas?
@@craptacluar looks like you didn't listen to anything Measheimer said.
@@JohnDoe-hh7eo Exactly. This assumption should have been challenged. JM makes an assumption of "occupation" that shows where he stands. What about the Balfour Declaration, the Six days war, the Yom Kippur war, the declaration of Israel as a state with a right to exist? Palestine has never been declared as a nation with sovereign rights to this land. Using the term "occupation" shows that he thinks it is their land.
@@jsfranks840Interesting, don’t be too quick to jump to conclusions, he is who he is for various reasons including his rigorous fact checking and analysis. Also, he is only looking at this from an IR perspective. Passing judgment is not his style. If you want a deeper dive into that history you should probably read Dershowitz, Pappe, and Finkelstein. And by the way you should read them with full impartiality. Then go into the facts, which are other very prominent and influential Israeli historians. But I warn you, it is not a pretty story. Which is why, the present situation is much more complicated than the surface of emotions. The level of ramifications that this event and possible future political settlement might have is not going to look well for Israel. I think the only solution to avoiding putting up face now is to prolong this war beyond the stretch of time, which means the total destruction of the palestinian civilian population. Again, very bad for Israel and all the positive things it can represent for the community and the region. In my opinion, this is an epic failure from their side. And I understand that you can argue that this is the PA or PLO’s mistake. However, you should be reminded that they have had and have no real power to go to a negotiating table. The government of Israel is enormously more powerful and mighty. Hamas has firecrackers if compared to the military capacity of the IDF.
shocking how he spoke about Hamas never once stating they were terrorists.
Огромное спасибо за перевод на русский! Я учу английский сейчас, но моего уровня недостаточно для полного понимания этого видео( Искренне благодарю❤
Кто этот великий переводчик, который перевел разговор на русский? Спасибо Вам, добрый человек!!!
Это, вероятно, был ChatGPT
One of your best interviews ever Lex 🙌🏻. John just blew me away intellectually.
Nice kind intro. I appreciate your integrity and passion.
This dude is so calm and watches everything so close!?? OMG
great show , very interesting discussion the 3 hours felt like 3 minutes to me
Agreed. Do watch "The Duran". They have been accurate for years. you might enjoy, you probably already know them.
Same!
@@flowerpunkchip any more suggestions sth like this. Or simply regarding international political econ
Definitely. I look forward to seeing Mister John Mearsheimer on the podcast.
It was good until the CCP propaganda started. Yuck. Down with the CCP.
Get Thomas Sowell before it’s too late: he’s a legend and he’s 93! An American treasure!
This x100
He’s a dummy
I thought Sowell would come on around the time Glenn Loury was on. I remain disappointed
That would be too much to ask from a 93-year-old man. I don't think you appreciate how much of an ordeal that would be.
@@aliasbrush2if Prof. Sowell permits the interview, Lex may as well visit him. Or like Prof. Chomsky has done these past few years, do the Zoom call instead if Prof. Sowell isn't raring for a face to face interview.
One of your best, Lex. Both of you were incredibly enlightening and encouraging. With people like you two, humanity still has hope.
Does NATO threaten Russia?
Never heard that
What the purpose of NATO?
one of the most level headed commentators on international affairs ,a privilege to listen to you both,thankyou Lex..
This is the type of journalism that the world is currently lacking amidst this chaotic environment, thanks Lex 🙏🙏🙏🙏
Is it really? It is SO clear that John gets his talking point straight from Norm Finkelstein and therefore there are so many blatant errors:
1) Implying Hamas attacked because of the occupation is INSANE. They explicitly state they want an Islamic caliphate across the land - it has nothing to do with an occupation, which can only end with the agreement of the Palestinians. Moreover the PEAK of Hamas suicide bombings was DURING peace negotiations which they were desperate to derail, bringing me to the next point:
2) He implies the problem of no peace is Israel doesn't want it. HOW DOES HE EXPLAIN THE COUNTLESS TWO STATE OFFERS MADE BY ISRAEL?? HOW DOES HE EXPLAIN HOW BILL CLINTON BLAMED THE CAMP DAVID FAILINGS ON ARAFAT, SAYING THE ISRAELIS WERE SO DETERMINED TO RESOLVE THE ISSUE?? THAT THE PALESTINIANS HAVE NEVER (!!) OFFERED A COUNTER-PROPOSAL?? HOW DOES HE EXPLAIN OPINION POLLS IN ISRAEL SHOWING MOST PEOPLE ARE AGAINST THE SETTLEMENTS AND WANT A RESOLUTION?? He's acting as if Netanyahu's cabinet was Israel's MO for all these years?
3) Saying that the protests around the indicate anything about who is morally correct is very misguided considering he completely glossed over the fact that there are almost 2 BILLION (!!!!) Muslims in the world, who as he acknowledged are extremely tribal, and only 15mil Jews. They're outnumbered more than 1,000:1.
4) Saying the lobby is scared to open Israel's history is ridiculous - all they do is talk about how Israel was unjustly attacked since its inception. Anyone who actually deep-dives into the history knows that Israel was acting in self defense in 1948.
5) Saying the world would have supported 'precision strikes' to get rid of Hamas and that he knows Israel wants to kill civilians is pure stupidity. The Muslims (& ultra-progressives) would have been pissed NO MATTER WHAT Israel did, he himself acknowledged there were mass amounts of pro-Palestinian protests right after the attack. More importantly, acting as though there is any sort of military solution that can eradicate Hamas without killing the number of civilians they've killed is arrogance to another degree. Every urban warfare expert I've seen has said Israel is doing the best job it possibly can in the circumstances, and if he's so sure they're not where are his astute military recommendations then?
Totally agree 👍👍👍
the type that promotes dictatorial regimes?
@@JimSendreIf you disagree with people's opinions that doesn't mean they shouldn't be hears, as long as they are respectful to everyone
ok but has Lex had anyone pro Ukrainian on? Musk and now Mearsheimer? Both are well known pro russian.@@peymanj3456
My 3rd time watching this. Extremely impressive and important interview
Great analysis by John. How about doing similar analysis of Asia, particularly about the JAPAN and Asia leading to WWII
Learned more from this than I did from school
Чему же тогда вас учат в школе? Считать и писать? Кто кому сколько должен и поставить подпись под кредитом? Приезжайте в Россию. Очень удивитесь тому как живут по настоящему свободные люди!
You realize he has been debunked right? Just because someone talks fancy doesn't mean it's the truth
@@feynou Кого разоблачили? И в чем? Писать на английском, не значит иметь гражданства....
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Mearsheimer has an incredibly discerning mind. I'm continually impressed by the caliber of guests and the quality, nuance, and intellectual depth, of conversations on your channel, Lex.
Lex is a fantastic interviewer on account of his intellectual humility. He doesn't seem intent on pushing a particular narrative, but lets his guests speak freely, something rarely seen in mainstream media these days.
JM 2024- or maybe NSA director? Sec of State? Defense? :)
On the basis of comments like these, I suppose I'll listen to see if his style of argument changes under questioning. The last time I listened carefully to a whole Mearsheimer lecture (related mainly to Ukraine/Russia), it seemed like all the critical argument points boiled down to "trust me" assertions of causality. I realize that old guys with huge resumes are more entitled to pontificate more than the rest of us, but when it comes to big policy conclusions, I prefer some due diligence on the evidence front.
he is a liar. only stupid people would believe in him.
@@wolfpants All Mescheinheimer has been doing for the last 2 years is trying to hide the fact that his teaching is incredibly wrong, as the war in Ukraine has shown.
He is a puppet for Putin, likely on the Cremlin payroll.
I’ve never heard of this John guy, I was captivated ‘til the last drop. And damn aren’t we lucky to have Lex? Just saying
Thank you awesome conversation
Lex, never lose your humanity! It’s the greatest quality you have! I love your interviews ❤
John Mearsheimer in my opinion, is a delightful, very intelligent, Human Being!!
no doubt he's smart, but he's still wrong.
@@jonsnow7092about what. Im from Eastern Europe and he actually portrayed the things the way many see it, pro-Russian or pro-Ukrainian
@@jonsnow7092 He isn't.
@@SimplyMartinMearsheimer want the US to join Russia to kill Chinese together. Thats his agenda. Everything he says follows this dream of his. He manipulates the story to fit his great aspiration.
For example, he goes on and on about how the Russians feel threatened, but he hides the truth about the source and nature of this fear. The Russians fear losing the ability to conquer land. They fear the lose of opportunity to steal resources from their neighbors. They fear the loss of their reputation as a strong nation. NATO prevents Russian expansion. That is the nature of the threat. It is dishonest to say Russia fears invasion, or a nuclear strike from NATO. Striking Russia would be suicide for NATO, as we cannot stop their missiles. Its impossible. NATO doesn't need Ukraine to destroy Russia, either. They already possess this capacity. Our mutual desire to live, to avoid nuclear holocaust is the only thing saving Russia from invasion. Once you accept these realities, you understand the Russin claims about Ukraine/ Nato relationship are false.
Russia want conquest. Resources, power, and pride. This is not a war of self defense, it's a war for profit. A war of choice.
“You don’t respect your neighbor you fear them “
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Lex Great Podcast!!!!! What a Wonderful guest in John Mearsheimer!!! He is a very Wise individual that has very good perspective of the World Governments and social dynamics around the World 🌎 Lex great questions and great 👍🏼 interview!!!!!!
God Bless You 🙏🏽❤️🙏🏽
I've learned so much in 3 and half hours about politics than anything in my life.
Great conversation. Lex has mastered his craft, and Maershimer is intellectually honest, a straight shooter, he will give it to you like he sees it, and would care less how you feel about it. I love the pod.
I thought John's thoughts on Putin showed a lot of self-censorship and fear. I'm not sure what he's scared about, whether securing his own wealth or safety, but it was not honest.
@@JPragma4657 lol sure pal
He did not even speak about the barbaric savage behavior of Hamas on October 7th, he talks about them like legitimate reasonable people.. it shows how disconnected he is
see what you don't seem to understand is that it isn't that he's disconnected but rather he's coming at this from the perspective of an international relations scholar and IR doesn't give a damn about individual suffering. it may be sad or whatever but go live in the jungle for a year as a prey animal and you'll see that's pretty savage too. go back and read Mearsheimer from the 90's and early 2000's, all the way up to and after 2014. He absolutely called the Ukrainian Invasion based on what was happening at the time. IR has no interest in your feelings only in what is and that's why Mearsheimer and others of his ilk have been vilified by the mainstream but he's not wrong. I challenge you to go back and find something he's said in his past, vast writings that was totally off.
and to address your statement: what about the barbaric and savage behavior of Israel, specifically under right wing Netanyahu? You know he purports to make Israel stronger so what the hell happened? Hamas never should have been able to inflict so much carnage in the first place - that's what he was elected to prevent and he failed Israel. Israel needs new management. @@Manbro2006
@@JPragma4657 it depends on the individual view point. Some say Russia's economy is stronger today than it was before the war. They said Russia replenishes its weapons faster than we do. I cannot confirm either of those claims but, one thing I am sure of is that Ukraine has not seen Russia's full blown rage yet, and I hope they never do. I can understand his point of Russia trying to defend its territory by trying to keep NATO away. Or do you think differently?