I Was Sent These "New" Lock Tools to Review
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- čas přidán 27. 05. 2024
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How'd you get your comment in 22h ago when video just got uploaded 3 min ago? LOL
@@JohnJohn-bq5oweither patreon members get a link to the video while it's unlisted or like CZcams members can see it before it's unlisted
@@notamethdealer that makes sense
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In the 90s, working with a well known US carburetor manufacturer, I brought up this issue. Their chief engineer stared at me angrily for perhaps 10 seconds before picked up their newly designed item and pointing at the patent # on the casting. He unironically said "these patents are all that's needed to protect our intellectual property, they are forbidden, BY US LAW, from copying our product!"
You can guess how that worked out.
People like that guy think that US LAW means WORLD LAW and that everybody on the globe will follow the law.... then they wonder why everything around them is a pile of shit
Wow, who knew people in other countries didn't have to respect US patent law. /s
"without sarcasm, he said"
It is impossible to say anything "ironically".
@@minirock000 he didn't say it ironically, he said it unironically.
Some people don't quite get the whole "International Business" thing.
I love it when two niche channels that I follow collide. Gabi, despite her youth, has amazing insight on interesting topics
100%... she's really dedicated and puts in so much effort making her content
Hey that free sample would be a great COMPANION if you were doing COVERT operations. I wonder where they got the idea for it?
Gut buster, haha!
Probably someone fairly skilled at LOCKPICKING. They should really consider getting a LAWYER for that.
😁👍 agreed
Very LPL energy with this one. You even have the expressive hand gestures.
and the same tools, lol
@@DeeSnow97 😂
Or TOT, different tools though 😁
@@ogi22 Now I want a Dev and TOT collab- the most jank, but still technically valid, solution to some problem.
@@DeeSnow97 Gotta wonder if LPL represents blue group gizmos.
I glanced at the ID and forgot hazel was a color, so I thought it just said "eyes: haz" as in "has"
which seems like a very Deviant thing to do lmao
"hair: yes"
All it takes is a set of calipers, a day or two, and an inactive factory (as everyone has in their back pocket) to copy damn near anything. Some easy differences one can make is in ensuring high quality control standards in their own products (something a copycat is unlikely to bother with), have good customer support (something that many reputable companies lack), and fast shipping (geographical advantages help). There's also something to be said for keeping money inside our communities. I'd rather buy stuff from you, brockhage, southern specialties, etc than I would from aliexpress, regardless of shipping speed. I'd rather buy the exact same thing from a shop run by disadvantaged people, maybe even paying a few bucks more, than buying from a faceless shareholder owned corporation.
> All it takes is a set of calipers, a day or two, and an inactive factory (as everyone has in their back pocket) to copy damn near anything.
and this is one reason that everything has a chip in it now (also everything as a subscription, but that is a different rant). It is a lot harder to copy locked down firmware on a chip than it is to copy the physical aspects of something.
Enshitification strikes again
@@JohnHollowell Welcome to capitalism!
Look man, you can get super high quality stuff out of China but it would cost the same as made anywhere. It’s got the quality you expect for the price.
if u offshore a production to china they will run a 2nd and 3rd shift making that product under another name
I'm heavily involved in the PC hardware & case modding communitiy, which means I make a lot of parts designed for specific cases. Often, it's easiest to model the thing I'm trying to fit the part into and work from there, so I can confirm copying things is _extremely_ easy.
Ha I did not expect the Gabi Belle shoutout. CZcams is a small world I guess.
I manufactured a set of tarot cards (small run, only 1,500) and was originally looking at a vendor in China to produce it. I spoke with a couple other tarot creators who had used them, and then while I was on the phone with the agent from the factory in China, I got a really bad feeling, and backed out. Then I found out both the other people who had use them started seeing bootlegs being sold online which were nearly identical (but made with cheaper materials), and were being sold for almost 1/10 of the normal retail price...
I ended up going with a manufacturer that's local to me (in my city), it cost a lot more, but I was able to have much stronger control over the quality, was able to see the samples in person same day, and give feedback. After a few rounds of revisions, they were able to produce the whole set, and I was also able to do it without using much plastic. I was working with a local paper company, and they were very flexible in the process, and worked with me to figure out what made the most sense.
I'm reminded of the LinusTechTips screwdriver - he sent designs off to a factory to have it made, they were gonna pull the trigger, and china/taiwan happened (cutting out a lot of story) - they cut ties and changed vendors. Contacted new vendor...and new vendor had already basically reverse engineered a sample before they even had the design files.
mad respect for contributing to the creative commons. I think we all benefit when information is shared and open 💛
Purple crowd utilities is my favorite site!
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I dunno, I am somewhat partial to Blue Group Gizmos.
Maybe we should promote a slogan like "Leave Drop-shipping to the military!"
Personally, I'd rather buy directly from Aliexpress than via a dropshipper...
on electronics part the markup from ali(baba/express) to domestic dropshippers is absolutely lunatic insane. you take a 2 dollar microcontroller and it's marked up to like 8-10 bucks. if my money's gonna be going there i'd rather give it directly and wait
@@ryjelsumI've seen a 50¢ ic sold for 4 dollars each
We love to see a Gabi Bell shout out!
i love how many of my viewers have been pointing her out and already like her and watch her!
@@DeviantOllam Add me to that list. I never expected you to mention Gabi Bell. I've been a long time enjoyer of both channels. Really want to see a web of connections between channels/viewers and how they connect even when seemingly unrelated.
Legit didn't expect to hear about gabi here.
she's the bee's pajamas!
I love your Easter Eggs, like the Rick Roll phone number you did a while back and now this one. I'll have to check out Durant's if I ever find myself in Phoenix.
i strongly recommend them, yeah!
I think for Australia the same decoder cards work. You just have to hold them upside down. 🙃
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Love the intentional bait ID display - literally made my day
I was wondering if that was something of interest.
@@ucitymetalhead For sure! Anyone who's watched with any regularity will recall numerous instances of commenting on how dangerous it can be for even something like your keys to be photographed. No way that same person would be that careless displaying their ID like that. lol
I live in Canada and Yale locks are reasonably common here. Waiting for the "Euro" version of the DDC decoder card, then will order both.
Likewise, I'm waiting for a Euro version for common locks in the UK!
I'm in Windsor and I've only saw a handful of Yale. Mostly Kwikset, Schlage, Medeco, and Mul-T-Lock. In fact, I just did work at an apartment and their mechanical/electrical room key was a KW1 cut to 01122
I like the LPL vibe of the hands and tools being all that is shown.
LockPickingLawyer is not the only channel that does the talking hands thing. Just look at ThisOldTony, AvE, and BigClive to name a few. That said, LPL is just as good. 🙂
@@ericgoldman7533 Yep, true, I watch those others as well. Just the lock device gave me more of an LPL vibe.
I'd love for you to give away those free give away tools. I could use a puller for fun.
Thanks for the videos
i very likely will give away some of them!
That black multitool is a copy of Covert Design's Covert Companion. By the way Deviant. I would like to see your reaction while trying the new key quick casting set made by Covert Instruments. It is called Replicant and sold for 90$. Seems like made for your line of work.
yeah, looks stylish! i can't tell if their mold tray is metal or plastic. i like our metal version that has been on the web site i don't name for a long time, heh
@@DeviantOllamIt's metal (you can hear it in LPL's video) but the casting quality and hinge tolerance feels like it could be better given the price point. I know the tolerance doesn't super matter. I don't think Chinese industry is really setup to support high cast quality either so it was probably the best they could do for a casting.
@@cheyannei5983 I disagree that China can't make high quality items. It's just the marginal advantage of going to China goes down when you start requiring it from a manufacturer.
@@DeviantOllam Hmm, comparing the two on the sites, it really looks like yours is best used in a DIY kit or in a shop designed for it. While the Replicant is an all in one portable kit.
What would the price/weight difference be if yours was made out of steel instead of Aluminum? Then it could be used to cast keys in Brass / ZA 12. Which solves the problem of cast keys being weaker.
@@arthurmoore9488 I'm not certain why the tray being steel or aluminum would impact someone's ability to cast brass? The clay is what is holding the metal.
I'd also note that even if you do your production here in the US (or wherever you happen to live) you're not immune to this happening to you. A good friend of mine is a full time etsy seller (literally makes all of her stuff by hand in her home) and there's a constant battle with overseas resellers making virtually identical products, even ripping off her listing photos to use on wix/temu/whatever.
I'd be interested in one of those core pullers that was hydraulically operated. Hook up to a Porta-Power.
Imma need that link to the fake covert companion.... Need some replacements for mine
Good Stuff! I appreciate your integrity, which is why I've purchased plenty of stuff from 'that site you don't name' :)
A good friend of mine, Asian-American investment banker who goes to China and South Korea for business deals, told me how China and especially South Korea take pride in taking any product and copying it, and have it going down an assembly/production line in 8 hours. The wild west indeed. They even have factories right next to legitimate factories. His one example was a factory, right next to the Coach factory. Stolen patterns, same raw materials, knocking them off. Corrupt, no respect for copyright. Also keep in mind, they can copy something over there, and sell it to Russia, China, S. Korea and India, and reach over 3 billion people without you ever knowing in the US.
My one note is that it's really interesting to watch the products evolve. Especially in some prototype electronics boards. The Copycat factory makes a change and ends up selling something better than the original. Then it gets copied by the original company, and maybe a 3rd one jumps in. Good for the market with rapid iteration, bad if you spent a decade perfecting something.
honestly, there are some really legit Chinese copies of German designs in general. Its one of the things that Chinese manufacturing excels at; taking foreign designs and making them cheaper (in cost and in quality). they always manage to find the line where the tool still functions, but only just barely
Red Team Tools, Southern Specialties aka Hardcase Survival, OscarDeltaUk, SAP Gear are all great companies to deal with. Other companies, one copied here, has good gear but 90% was marked Made in China, so you see here the result: "China will China". TrueNorthTradecraft is an instructor in Canada as well as re-seller but Boris only sells what he has in actual stock. Sparrows has never done me wrong; but a lot of stull, apart from picks, is made in China for them.
I think a lot of what Chinese factories do is they have an order from a company that provides them with the tooling and design and startup costs and they don't reverse engineer anything. They just go to other people who compete with their customer (who paid for the setup) and sell them precisely the same item at a reduced price. It doesn't matter at all to the Chinese factory but its terminal for a lot of businesses who do the design work. I used to know the Chinese for it but its a really common phrase that translates to roughly "take whatever you can whenever you can" where the word "take" is interchangeable in translation with the word "steal".
China offers a lot of insulation between western companies in terms of patent infringement.
At 7:45 of this video I saw your orca card. I use my orca card every day. Know of any gatherings going on in our area?? .....or maybe a place like minded individuals gather at,... Thank you for all the awesome videos. We appreciate it!! ---h2c---
I will just hold on to my multipick pullers. Once that screw is in, there is no need to gamble with a copy product
Unexpected Gabi Belle namedrop, also can vouch, that video is great
thank you for not being as anti-china as the average american.
here is my comment from gabis video / my two cents:
"this is, funny enough, more of an american (and somewhat EU) problem. their "in china" production is using the cheapest companies one can find (to increase revenue, duh) and due to their general anti china mindset, china does the same (i.e. in giving only the lowest qualities to the US esp.). China has practically three qualities: high -> domestic market. medium -> "friendly" markets or resellers (local in the foreign country) and p***-cheap. mostly sold to the us and somewhat to the eu.
you can literally get a better chinese made tool for a quarter of the price nowadays than a bosch or hilti (as an example) mostly made via chinese low-quality parts.
(and no, im not chinese, im just poor and getting good stuff for a quarter of the price, that lasts longer is what people might call empirical evidence)"
TLDR: dont necessarily buy from dropsellers, if you can avoid it. buy as close to the manufacturers as possible and you will be rewarded with original high quality tools.
oh for sure... the home market products are really decent
Yup. I have a Zoyi, I think the factory is named Zotek, multimeter that beats the pants off of most meters under $80. I paid the factory $28 for it directly... But their business is white labeling so it's the exact same meter as a popular $70 Amazon listing under a different name!
hell yeah nice gabi shoutout
love her work. she's tops
I love that you send viewers to other videos on topics that have already been covered.
I really love that when the person you're shouting out isn't a cishet white dude.
As always, nice work, and cheers for being you!
Love it dev
thank you!
Lockwood and Gainsborough I would buy from you not a problem
Did i miss the QnA? I could have swore you said you were gonna do one in 22 or 23. It must have happened by now right? I think i missed it.
oh my gosh, you didn't miss it... i just suck lol
(That pick set would make a nice giveaway)
i will do that in future, yeah
There is some enthusiast designed control boards for one of my hobbies. The guys that made it don't provide the firmware to the chinese factory so they can't be cloned easily. They load the firmware once the boards land stateside.
Yeah super common tactic, indeed
Github has the firmware.
This device contains lots of gravity 😂😂😂😂
Those plug (barrell) pullers are not reliable, the part that touches the screw is not shaped to hug the head of the screw which leads to the head deforming then pulling off, I fashioned my own counter sunk stainless washer so that it seats the screw head nicely. The problem is though the hardened screws all have buggle heads rather than classic countersinking so they still deform a little. When the heads arent snapping they snap further down leaving a hardened screw stuck in the barrell, often with nothing to grab onto, a worse situation. When driving the screw in the lock, if it hits hardened pins the screw will snap. So it'll only reliably work on cylinders with no hardened material but these can easily be drilled anyway so this is only increasing the amount of equipment you carry.
Speaking of Lishi tools, will y'all be getting the new Lishi SC4LFIC in anytime soon? I got the email that said they'd be an exclusive but they aren't on the Lishi's website and I BADLY want one because that's gonna safe a LOT of time and control key blanks.
The plug puller is one important tool in my kit I use it on several types of locks and it’s made by Technical Entry.That sucks china steals several designs and makes them.
you cant call them lego but you can go with what QI called them "Generic interlocking brink system"
Blue group gadgets, ha!
WOW the lockpickinglawyer is going to be very upset cause that looks like a copy of the covert companion tool he made. I own one.
Most of Covert Instruments tools are made in China. The only thing that would upset him is the price compared to his.
Just like everywhere there's good quality and bad quality. So bad quality knockoffs hurt the reputation of the original item. Using cheap steel that bends vs flexes
@@joelbaruch1066 So if the tool was invented, designed, and patented in the USA but it's made in china is ok for china to reproduce it without consent.
@@BeeWhere It's called infringement.
@@miguelfernandez2325 Who says it was invented, designed, and patented in the USA. If that's the case then LPL stole the entire design concept from Key Smart.
04:00 Bullfrogs?
Wow is that made of real Chineseium?
7:44 does the address mean anything? Is Durant's any good? IIRC he used to use a Ruth's Chris for his address
I love the outright Intellectual Property Theft. I own every single item you had on the video from the original manufacturer/ vendor. China is not even trying to hide the theft anymore.
Wendt isn't known for using production abroad.
yeah, i suspect that some manufacturer overseas bought his tool or one like it
Nice LPL impersonation. I never buy from dropship. Always go straight to the source.
Blue group gadgets xD lmao
i am wondering when you will announce the winner of the Flipper contest? I entered and want to know what the deal is.
Ha! I know the location of your secret lair now. You're living under Durant's Resteraunt in Pheonix, AZ.
Do they give you a discount on drinks while you scheme?
Seriously neat trick though. Is it a sticker on top of your real license or a imitation card with just the part in the ID window showing (I assume it's not just a fake ID since I can't see any state information or watermark)
Do you plan on getting LPL's new offering from Covert Instruments, The Replicant? Compare to the Red Team Tools Key Mold and Cast Tray offering and giving your opinion on if the RTT offering could be improved or advice on how the CI offering could be improved.
I like the idea of RTT's machined metal tray, but he does mention 3d printed trays can also work well. Besides the tray, one needs to source the metal, spoon, clay, release agent (talc), and put it together in a kit. If those are available on RTT's site, I didn't see them.
For about 3 times the price, CI has done that stuff for you and put it in a kit that will easily fit in a pocket or tool kit. Besides the time one saves in sourcing separate parts, LPL/CI has spent some time engineering all the parts to fit together in a compact case. All that is definitely worth some extra money.
@@BryanTorok looking between them, I think the RTT offering could be improved with something like the case of the CI version to provide additional clamping pressure and stability.
@@Kinkajou1015 yeah, we should really get the release agent on our site, etc.
The replicant well thought out and can’t wait to test it.
@@camronbay1Make sure to educate yourself on proper use and handling as they shipped it with a cheap Chinese alloy called "wood's metal." It contains cadmium and lead. Cadmium is a heavy metal like lead, so don't breathe the fumes. I would find a safer alloy to cast keys with.
Like most things China has issues, most things you can make for a few years before they start copying using your designs... or you can say no to having it made there and they will copy and rejigger and out pops clones, sometimes even better products then the original copy.
If LEGO (the biggest toy company in the world) can't stop people knocking-off their products then small companies have no chance.
The original brick patent has expired, so anyone should be able to make their own compatible bricks. You just can't use the LEGO name, or potentially various newer designs like say minifigures.
@@teamspen210 The knock-offs in question very clearly violate copyright law (by ripping off LEGO copyrighted set designs and by ripping off copyrighted IPs like Marvel, Star Wars, car brands etc etc)
"LEGO-compatible" -- compatibility claims are considered fair use under trademark law as long as they do not falsely imply association with or approval by the trademark-holder🙂
3:14 - I think that Gabi Belle is great too, though just as a side thing, referring to another adult as “adorable“ might not be the compliment that you think it is. Consider, for example, how you might feel if another CZcamsr referred to you as “Deviant Ollum-adorable, wonderful CZcamsr.”
But Deviant IS adorable and wonderful. 😻
I get your point, though.
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LockNoob but way less talk. Don't know how much Deviant loves these tools, but LN would've told me. Repeatedly. Some similarity with Bosnian Bill. Homage? Miss him. BTW, LN is OK. A bit wordy and lengthy. Usually watch him on 2x speed.
You've got a great fanbase Dev. 60+ comments and nobody has commented on your nails. :) Thanks for your content hope to see you soon!
heh, i think i need to trim them, honestly. at least they were clean. =)
the phrase, china is the wild west, is funny
maybe i should have said "wild east" =)
Oddball question perhaps, but do you have recommendations for EU stores that sell lockpick tools for sport etc? I tried some things from daddy Bezos' storefront but they were terrible.
I mean, we ship to Europe 😉
I know you like steaks, but I didn't know that it had gotten so bad that you live at a steakhouse now. At least that's what your definitely-official-government ID card says 😉
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Yeah, copyright literally (and I mean literally) does not exist in China.
Information wants to be free
Website he won’t name? Did I miss the inside joke 😂😂
Red Team Tools.
This is a very long endorsement/ad for a website you don't name. 😜
Gainsborough is common in AU too, would be amazing to have an AU version of the decoder card 😁
You know better than to call the blocks "Lego". At least formally.
And make it they didn't...
I love you man but they're LEGO not Legos :)
Is that a fake ID in your wallet? If not, it has an address on it, so you might want to censor that.
Yeah I saw that too it might be a business address
Indeed, come visit my place in Arizona. Bring an appetite. 😉
@@DeviantOllam 🤣
@@DeviantOllam lol, I'll stop by next time I'm in the area
@DeviantOllam that place looks nice.
Does he not like the restaurant owner or what?
I'm not happy with all the videos that are sponsored by Chinese PCB manufacturers. In essence you send the blueprints to them and they manufacture it for you... A couple of months ago, I came across some pieces sold on Aliexpress that I've seen before on Thingiverse, like the thinking statue that poops tooth paste...
if they want to copy my dumb electrinics projects, they're welcome to
That broken english irks me so much!!! "Commeracial" is quite jarring to see.
Is that a fake ID?
Durant’s is good but I like Brunch Problems much more.
How in the world did you register your drivers license at a steakhouse? Birthday and year shown as well. I hope that's one of the fakes you made at work.
It's a printed piece of paper
i support china
Good subject matter. Guy is extremely boring to listen to. He should hire someone to voice his videos for him.
i honestly have no problem with chinese companies ignoring international IP law. IP laws are just one of the many ways the west prevents periphery countries underdeveloped. The examples here aren't necessarily the best example, but think of things like the US bullying ASML into not selling current-gen tech to China. imo in that situation chinese companies have every right to try to reverse engineer and knock off those current-gen lithography machines.
awful take
@@pcap8810it’s really not. There’s pretty much an entire field of modern economics dedicated to researching this exact phenomenon, albeit on a more structural scale. Anyway, without China bringing affordable products with an acceptable cost to quality ratio, it’d basically be impossible for the majority of people outside the West to have anything resembling a hobby. I’m into electronics, but there’s scarcely a domestic parts market here, and importing them from the west would reduce me to living in a cardboard box. China’s the whole reason I can do the stuff I love and afford to eat at the same time. Honestly, Westeners clutching their pearls over this stuff while the entire reason they’re wealthy is imperialist value extraction is pretty damn comical. For every euro invested into my country, the EU takes back 14 through unequal exchange alone. Y’all are literally living off the rest of us, you don’t get to complain that we don’t care about some Western millionaire’s intellectual property. We grew up pirating stuff, we’re introduced to the fact that it doesn’t exist very early on.
@@paulussturm6572 no, it really is a ludicrous take and you should probably sit in a dark room for a bit and try to figure out who put these terrible ideas in your head because that person is not your friend. this stuff doesn't just become ok because you like getting cheap clones that western companies paid the R&D for. I don't blame you for liking cheap ripoff stuff but don't act like it's noble just because you benefit from it
@@pcap8810 Western companies paid for R&D… using money and resources extracted from the rest of us. Who put this idea into my head? Some of the finest economists in history coupled with my years of actual academic research of this and many related topics. And very obviously, they’re more of a friend to me than the guy who’d have me pick between passion and survival just so a Western corporation keeps more of the money they, again, are almost guaranteed to have extracted from the rest of us. I’m sorry mate, the rest of the world has positively zero obligation to you lot.
@@pcap8810 And i’m not acting like it’s noble, it couldn’t be noble or ignoble either way. But really, there’s no moral content to intellectual property, and I say that as a guy who finished law school and is currently in a PhD preparatory program. It’s simply a means of limiting competition and protecting capital, and it’s far from the fair field people with skin in the game like to present it as. It’s actually one of the most fradulent fields of global economics and governance. We have no reason to respect its provisions if we can get away with it.
At one time we had a president that was actually getting tough on China in regard to trade and intellectual property theft. And, those policies were starting to achieve some results, not perfect and not over night, but moving in the right direction. Then, we got hoodwinked into electing a different president who reversed all of those policies. I would point out that gains in our direction are slow and like a hard fought slog uphill and not without cost. Reversing the policies gave away years of progress in a matter of weeks and it has just gotten worse.
I understand how tough it can be. I have a Harbor Freight store ten minutes from my house. They have a huge variety of tools across several price and quality points. Often, they have tools (and in stock) that I am having a difficult time locating elsewhere, and really helpful knowledgeable employees.
Why were you sent new tools to review?
In the hopes that a. his company would start to sell them and/or b. he would review them on CZcams and his viewers would want to buy them.
@@canadafree2087 👍
@@canadafree2087 yes, this. the manufacturers were curious if we would want to stock them in our online store. i don't think i'll be selling the knock-off Covert Companion, though. (And to be fair, LPL and Rob and their team do a nicer job of finishing their products... the sample i was sent didn't seem to go through any tumbling or finishing and the edges were a little rough. The Covert Companion is superior to this sample part.)