I was an extra on this film playing a British soldier.Amazing experience for me.Met all the great actors and the Zulus were incredible.I will never forget these moments in my life.
I think the word your looking for is english upper class arseholes even in the first world war and the second world war putting clowns in charge with outdated tactics and no regard for people lifes will allways end in a loss but not them fuck em
Back in the days (1979) when you couldn't simply computer generate extra soldiers or extra backgrounds. You had to get lots and lots of extras with lots and lots of costumes. Add to that all the military encampments, tents, landscapes -- you have quite a production that looks wonderful even today. No CGI. None at all.
I miss these kinds of war movies, when CGI wasn't a thing yet. Just raw practical talent and participation for all the casts and those brave Zulu Warriors. This is one of my favorites alongside Zulu.
CGI has been a fantastic advancement to movie making. If used correctly its potential is amazing. CGI Movies like Interstellar for instance are brilliant. Don't know why people think it has ruined movies.
One of the absolute greatest war films of all time. The background musical score, acting, scenery, and props were all superb. The ending credits with the war hymn was beautifully artistic. Saw this movie first while a young lad living in London in the early 80s, but didn't appreciate its overall mastery as a film until much later in life.
I saw it as a lad when it was first shown on ITV. I had seen Zulu a couple of times with my dad and we rushed home to watch the ITV premiere of this film. I was blown away by its savagery and epic scale. Ignited a lifelong love of military history
@@timkellyD2R it's not historically correct, life for the whites in the natal colony wasn't as Comfortable as it is potrayed, secondly the Zulu people did nor kill without trial & thirdly the Zulu people sure did not fight to the death for the King 's pleasure
The close ups are good but the wide shots are underwhelming. Nowhere near as many Zulus as there should be. It doesnt do the battle justice at all, as well as misrepresenting what actually happened.
Great movie from days gone by,,,,, even spotted phil Daniels in the opening scene ,,,,,,,its all super hero rubbish now and cartoons For mindless Adults?
Lord Chelmsford should have been held to account for his mismanagement of the expedition. Instead, because of his friendship with Queen Victoria, he faced no demotion.
Most definitely so,watched Waterloo couple of days ago,such a classic+the fact all the extras were played by Russian troops in 1970(at the height of the Cold War)is most intriguing although the director was a Russian
This is a fantastic and thoughtful film. The cunning and bravery of the Zulus is displayed . But in this film it is much more nuanced than previous depictions. The courage of the British went hand in hand with their vanity. All the actors gave wonderful performances. I am very grateful to you for uploading this classic movie onto CZcams.
You don't start sentences with "But". Liberals like you have to drone on about the "brave Zulu warriors" to make it ok for you to like it. The sly dig at the original film was pathetic. The original film is far superior to this film. Zulu is a far more masterful and beautiful film on so many levels than this film. This film is Yank anti British propaganda
He did not have an official commission. He was supposed to be there as an observer. A very stupid mistake got him and 3 others killed. They didn't perform a simple area recon of the area they wanted to rest and have afternoon tea...
I prefer Zulu and private Ryan but I think Zulu is far superior to this you know 200 odd soldiers with single shot rifles against 4 thousand zulus and they defended rourkes drift what a film.
@@jamesmitchell5126 So you prefer movies that portray a victory for the side you like more? The Rourke's Drift was remarkable in the ligh of battle of Isandlwana. And yes, it was a nice example of discipline and defense strategy. But Isandlwana is a beautiful example of arrogance and underestimating one's enemies, which leads to a disaster, which is a message that we always need to remember.
One of the soldiers made a wondéful. Movie when he was about 10yrs old it is about a poor boy and his hawk. It is both funny and sad and reminds me of the grittier side of england.
No war is not honorable there’s nothing glorious or brave about it it is pointless and stupid being proud of murdering hundreds of people is awful war is not honorable nothing is brave about it no one should be proud about a relative dying for nothing
Wow, those sunrise/sunsets and the pristine landscape that the Zulu called HOME. Trying to protect a way of life and culture. Great movie in its portrayal.
It was a patriarchal dictatorship without due process. Im assuming that North Korea and Cuba are appealing to you as well? Begin your "whataboutism" now!
Wow. What a movie. The home boys certainly had this one. The other really good movie is Shaka Zulu. You don't get to see it very often, especially in the long form, but it's another epic story about the Zulu nation. Thanks for sharing.
This has to be one of the best war films 🎥 ever ! You'll never beat the old ones nowadays it's nothing compared to back then . I always watched this movie back years always love it and it'll never get old or boring.
It depends what war your watching and yes zuzlu dawn is a different war compared to saving private ryan and its older than it to and these days there's more equipment
Obi Wan seems to have gotten lost in the clone wars. On a serious note, I just finished a really good book on Isandlwana, this film is an overall good representation of the battle, like Durnfords horse advancing, taking cover then retreating, the missile battery being almost immediately overrun. I do feel it does a disservice to the soldiers of the 24th foot though, who were a well experienced regiment at this point, the Zulus advance was supressed and stalled at several points due to their efficiency with the Henry Martini, they didn't run blindly into a hail of bullets, and when the Zulu reached the camp. the 24th didn't break into a rout, they formed Company squares that the Zulus struggled to break and fought on until they used all of their ammunition and were overcome by sheer numbers.
They had sandles even before shaka. They never had to invent them coz they got those through trade. Zulus 1st encounter with whites is not with the british, it was the portuguese. The portuguese wanted ivory, zulus took whatever looked cool as payment
In 1997 aged 18 I went to these places for a month. Wow! God's country. I felt so at home in the wilderness phase of the expedition and we where miles from any people. This Battle (or massacre) was before Rourke's Drift (Zulu movie) which also went to l. We then built sports facilities for the local school raising £30 000 which was difficult but well spent. What I eye opening experience it was. School cloaed at 2pm but the kids stayed until 6pm. Trying to explain the western punishment of detention to the lad who was helping me for a couple of the days was memorable. He said in English " so if you are bad you get to do more education? " Wow, we at school don't know how lucky we where/are. Maybe we should rethink this punishment as it is saying that education is a punishment! No wonder kids get disillusioned by the education system. These people were poor, but very friendly and always smiling. I would love to go back there to see it again. That area Kwa-Zulu Natal was/is so beautiful. Also the Drakensberg mountains sleeping in caves with wall art on them at 8000ft was staggering the sheer amount of stars you can see sleeping above the clouds with zero light pollution was magnificent. There's so many compared to England's Northern Hemisphere. I asked the universe a couple of times to give me a sign and sure enough it did ( is it sentinel?) I. Sleeping beauty cave on our last night I said to the lad closest to me "at least it's not freezing like last night eh Nelson?" He replied "aye" on his Scottish accent. 1 second after this the winds started and OMG they were so fierce that I put a big stone in-between my legs on top of my sleeping bag to stop me being blown away. Rocks were falling, our equipment was thrown out the cave and about 2 miles down the valley. Coincidence? If so what timing that was. They came down from the peaks of the South Africa and Leshuto border to us. I could write a book on this journey, as it was filled with things that I struggle to put into words to do it justice. I have never been so insightful, clear minded, instinctive, inituative, so at home ever again. Sleeping on the ground to many in the west is insane to them for some reason? My predictions about my life came true also (not in a good way) since 1997 I have been missing a part of me that remains there still today. Our life here now is so far from that place in so many ways. We try to swap nature for man made things (mostly we do not need to) so much still to learn on this subject. Everyone should experience the wilderness at least once in their lives as it awakens something inside us that's dormant in the concrete jungle. Living briefly with the Zulu tribe was amazing, they ambushed us with the assagis (spears) and shields when we were heading towards the village on horse back circling us (all in good spirits) was something else. They danced,cooked food for us and told us stories. Stayed in a Zulu Kral (domed house made of sticks woven) over night once also. I must stop here as this is already a book😂 I doubt anyone has even read this far down? All the white stones that remain on this film location we where shown and told about the last few men who made it up the big rock face we called the sphinx (not sure why) So much respect for the Zulu's who are a mind blowing people. Credo Mutwa has hours of footage on CZcams he talks about the time before the Moon came here and who brought it. How the Zulu creation story is of beings from the sky is amazing ( all around the world this has happened not all the same things or beings) many different ones have similar stories on this from South America, Africa, Europe and Asia. They all cannot be what we are told are myths? Maybe we as different races,creeds, colour and more each of us are originally from various different star systems? At this point why do most people either switch off or shoot it down and laugh? (Laughing is also a fear response) I don't get that mentality. Anyways I must go ( maybe i should write a short story for what I experienced?) Anyone else had any similar experiences? ❤ North England ❤Zulu Dawn!!! Great to see thanks 🙏
@@eduardselksnis9135 Really? Such a long comment I got sucked in to it! It was)is still so hard to describe to anyone at all (I can never ever do it justice) I don't have the skills. The sheer emotional responses you have, the clarity of mind is unmatched, the consciousness of the environment as it's alive, listening to your instinct (we have lost this in the concrete jungle but still have it) and awareness and sheer amazing unspoiled natural world touches the soul. It changed me. I knew what was going to happen in my life when I got home and it did happen due to being what I feel was being back home. Thanks for replying.
@@eduardselksnis9135 Not everyone gets the opportunity to be surrounded by it nevermind being in the wilderness. As you will know about this, you seem very switched on to it all. I think it should be something everyone gets to experience at least once in their lifetime,it's so rewarding it's life changing. Growth, healing and introspection. The connection we as humans lost to nature is such a shame as it's so healthy. I was lucky but many aren't. Have a great weekend. Cumbria, North England. ❤️
@@checktheskies5040, yes, people value the wild nature (t.i., not touched by anthropogenic factor). Everybody likes clean forests, lakes and rivers. But, to survive and not only, people readily destroy it. Old forest with huge trees are very important for me and they are so few and even those few are logged very intensively and finally will disappear unless something happens with our civilization. Thanks a lot for the good wishes! :) Have a nice week! Riga, Latvia. ❤
Good film, Shaka was good to see before as it shows the build up of the Zulu kingdom. Although I was always interested in the shield types, always the large war shield is shown. Roughly 5 feet in length, is known as an isihlangu and was king Shaka's shield of choice. It was treated in an offensive way by hooking the opponent's shield during hand-to-hand fighting however by this time the umbumbuluzo was mostly used. Also a war shield, but only 3.5 feet in length, and more sturdy than the isihlangu. They were easily held in one hand and were used first in full numbers in 1856 during Cetshwayo's campaign against Mbulazi. You can tell a lot about the warrior and/or regiments from one. Black/mostly black was for younger men but white & grey/all white was for veteran warriors. They also wore the Umqhele that only married men could wear. They could be sprinkled with special mixtures for protection or to make the warrior ‘invisible’ on the battlefield. After battle each shield would be returned to the king as a sign of loyalty and showing you did not lose it. Shaka would severely punish any man who lost his spear and shield during battle. Interesting film to watch.
I like to think of the Shaka miniseries, the Zulu Dawn movie, and Zulu the movie as part of a three part trilogy Shaka Miniseries = Rise of the Zulu Zulu Dawn = Apex of the Zulu Zulu = Fall of the Zulu
They portray the different strategic war strategies employed by each side. It is not about 'good' vs 'evil' but which side has a better winning strategy.
@@canman5060 well not really, Zulu dawn is about the horrid British defeat at Isandlwana, ZULU really portrays the mutual respect between both sides. Both very good films though.
@@xcrzyyx4831 I'm a patriotic Brit but the defeat at Isandlwana wasn't horrid we absolutely deserved it, we were staggeringly arrogant, completely underestimated our enemy and as it says in the movie Chelmsford committed the cardinal military blunder of dividing his force while not fully knowing the disposition of the enemy.
I have ancestors from both sides actually and I really respect both, this movie as well a ZULU, is quite historically accurate but not exactly. But still these are amazing movies and you can see that the British and Zulus share one attribute, which is bravery.
In America of all the success white and black have, STILL since slavery even now blacks are last hired 1st fired,voting rights like slavery and Desmond Tutu passed away who for YEARS fought Apartheid.Excuse me are u black or white and yes race matters because im filling u responding with a weapon at ur head, or u under some witchcraft
Yeah there are inaccuracies in Zulu example is Sargent hook the guy in the hospital playing an unruly dodgy geezer when in fact he was a very good soldier and his behaviour was impeccable. I few inconsistencies yes but it’s the feel to Zulu you can’t beat it.
@@jamesmitchell5126Even though I really enjoyed Hooks character in the movie, I felt really bad for him, when I discovered who he actually was. It would have been maybe better if they kept the movie one under a different name and the real Harry Hook could have been implemented as a minor chatacter, similarly to some of the other soldiers in the film.
To think that this battle took place 143 years ago this day is somewhat scary. The time is 10:59AM, to think that the men would be doing their early morning drills and the first patrols would be out scouring the land unprepared for what they would find. To think that all those men would not live to see the dawn of a new day, it really does chill you to your bones.
@@lyndoncmp5751 I saw a documentary a few years back that stated the way the ammo was packed made it a slow process to open boxes and therefore delayed the distribution. Could be wrong though. ?
@@roymeadows1708 Yeah that's an old documentary. All evidence shows the 24th Foot didn't run out of ammo on the firing line. They received more ammo, and hadn't even gone through their initial supply anyway. When they withdrew back to the camp they were still firing and largely made it back. Some 3/4 of the 24th Foot died in the camp and Saddle area. They can't have made it back there so far from the firing line if they had run out of ammo on the firing line. It's doubtful the 24th fired more than 50 of their own initial 70 rounds on the firing line according to experts like Col Mike Snook. Durnfords Natal Native Mounted Contingent had only just got through their 50 rounds pee man shortly before the 24th Foot withdrew from the firing line and Durnford's men had been firing for longer and more indiscriminately, so it would make no sense that the more professional and more disciplined 24th Foot men had fired more than Durnford's men on the firing line. Obviously the 24th Foot ran out of ammo eventually in the camp when the Zulus overran it and the ammo wagons. Cheers.
Fantastic movie with a great cast. Thank you for putting this movie on You Tube for us. The General did a very wrong move to have split his force in two.
He had little choice. A recon patrol the day before got itself into a problem when it chose to tangle with large numbers of Zulus late on in the afternoon and had to spend the night cut off in the hills. They feared the main impi would attack them in the morning so they called on Chelmsford for help. He only had 3 options. 1. Ignore their call for help and leave them to their fate. This could have resulted in their annihilation. 2. Send a token force out, which itself might get cut off and annihilated. 3. Send a powerful enough force out and keep a powerful force back at camp, acting on the defensive, to be further strengthened by Durnfords men soon to arrive. Chelmsford chose option 3. Without the benefit of hindsight, this was militarily the soundest option.
Jens Nobel I am 100% correct with what I said. A recon patrol consisting of a couple hundred mounted men and a thousand Natal Native Contingent men encountered a couple of thousand Zulus late on the afternoon before. They were forced to spend the night in the hills, ten miles southeast. By all accounts it was a terrifying night. They expected to be attacked by the main Zulu impi and sent a rider back with a message to Chelmsford, requesting assistance. That was the only reason Chelmsford halved his force. It was militarily sound. He sent a strong force out and kept a strong force back and he reinforced the camp with Durnfords men. There is very little wrong with this decision going by all the information given at the time. It was the recon patrol who told him the Zulus were in large numbers to the south-east. There were no other reports of large numbers of Zulus anywhere else before he split his force and rode out. Zulu Dawn totally omits this crucial historical fact. Don't believe what you see in that film because it is inaccurate to history.
Jens Nobel "that Goddamned quartermaster with his precious lists" Which never actually happened in REAL LIFE. Quartermaster Bloomfield handed out ammunition. The 24th Foot did not run out of ammo on the firing line. The only troops who ran out of ammo on the firing line were Durnfords Natal Native Mounted Contingent. That was Durnford's fault as he didn't even take the trouble to take note of where his own ammo wagon was located in the camp. He was too interested in chasing after Zulus instead of sorting out his own supplies.
The Little Big Horn and Isandlwana had two things in common; the natives and the Indians were underestimated and the forces were split. Chelmsford suffered from the theory that he was fighting savages but the Zulus were very clever. Of course the army was still controlled by a bunch of Senior officers who had money and little else.
When in 1876 the news of custer arrived in Britain Chelmsford made a comment at his gentleman's club only a incompetent foolish commander could make such grave error
My direct ancestor fought in all these wars and was badly shot in hlobane war but because Zulu warriors were becoming depleted and the war was starting to take its toll he was at the frontline in khambula. He survived the anglo-zulu war and went on to fight in Bhambatha rebellion even though he was old. He was killed by government troops as he was deemed the most wanted because they were killing black collaborators and white farmers.
Unlike todays re written histories, this gives both sides credit for what and who they were at the time! This movie, as well as a few others, such as TORA TORA TORA!, THE LONGEST DAY, and A BRIDGE TOO FAR, gives the small details within the story to understand the epic drama that it truly was! Without losing the interest and action of the Historic Battles themselves! It is the details that make History interesting. Not just memorizing the names, dates, and places of the event! If you enjoyed this movie, watch a movie I believe is called RORKE'S DRIFT! Or at least that is what it was about. it is again another monumental movie about the same battle at the Field Hospital the Zulu Nation came to next! The heroism and respect shown on both sides is inspiring!
The movie you’re speaking of is Zulu with Michael Caine released on the 85th anniversary of the Battle of Rorke’s drift in 1964. That battle took place on the same day as the Battle of Isandhlwana 1/22/1879
Thank you so much. I knew the day as that is my birthday. But I did not remember the year. I showed my children those two movies' years ago back-to-back. I've also instilled within them a curiosity about the History of Africa, Central and South America, and Asia. Places that we are still discovering ancient cultures within. We all know of the Great Civilization of The Egyptians, but one of the kids, is fascinated by the culture developed in Ethiopia. Which may have been around even longer? It's mentioned so many times within the BIBLE's Old and New Testaments, and in Greek and Roman Histories, yet so little is taught. Just goes to show you that if you really want to learn, you have to go out and find it. Education fails miserably in History, so we are bound to repeat it! :( @@kingkillmonger74
This movie is pretty on the nose sometimes, like that awful "final solution" line and the scene where the English boy gets shot. But overall, it's pretty good.
Some officers such as Curling, Cochrane, Gardner, Essex and Smith-Dorrien escaped because they were wearing blue coats. The warriors had been instructed by their king to ignore those who wore blue coats because they were priests (chaplains) or other non-combatants. This fact is mentioned by Smith-Dorrien in his book "Memories of Forty-Eight years' Service". The British Army lost fifty-two officers during the battle, four more than it did during the battle of Waterloo. Lt. Smith-Dorrien is not portrayed in the movie. He played a dramatic role during the battle by breaking open the ammunition boxes and distributing the cartridges, all the while ignoring the protests of the Quartermaster. Lt. Smith-Dorrien later rose to the rank of Lt.-General.
Summer is a great time to catch up on all these adventure films. It just seems like the perfect time to watch them. This was the first time for me to catch this one. I really enjoyed it. You can see so many great actors and character actors in this one film. Of course the big stars like Burt Lancaster, Peter O'Toole, John Mills, Simon Ward, Bob Hoskins, Freddie Jones, but also others whose names you may not recognize but whose faces you know. Denholm Elliot who played Col. Pulleine, writing the last letter in his tent at the end, played Marcus the museum curator and compatriot to Dr. Jones in Raiders of the Lost Art. Ronald Lacey played the reporter here and in Raiders he was great as Toht, the Gestapo agent who utters the great line: "You Americans, always overdressing for the wrong occasion". And Nigel Davenport as Col. Hamilton-Brown was seen prominently in 'Chariots of Fire' in '81 and later the same year in Nighthawks with Sly Stallone and Rutger Hauer. Funny, he's insulted for being an Irishman by..Peter O'Toole whose father was Irish and mother was Scottish. He probably loved delivering that ironic line. Also, the parsimonious ammo quartermaster was played by Peter Vaughn who did many TV shows and movies, including Brazil. Sadly, this film didn't quite do so well, and just missed out on the worldwide boom of Anglo/Australia cinema that was to follow only a year later. If it had been made one year later, it most likely would've done much better at the box office. Timing is everything. The Zulu certainly knew that well.
I was impressed by the length of time and detail showing the Centre Column crossing the Buffalo River from Rorkes Drift . I was also impressed with the way the main battle was shown as it developed . It showed an overconfident, arrogant , British leadership get its deserved humiliation . As has often happened , the British soldiers fought bravely and well but , with poor leadership up against superb Zulu warriors and leaders , they were always up against it . At the very least , a larger should have been made around the camp . Very well made film .
While Chelmsford's reckless hubris with regard to his decision to directly engage to engage Chetswayo's forces and the manner with which he went about it is inexcusable, I think it could be partially explained by the fact that in the prior year or so, the British garrison in Natal Province had handily defeated the forces of the Xhosa nation via open warfare. Much of that victory was credited to Chelmsford himself, which was like giving the President credit for a booming economy five months after assuming office. That is: he'd come into his own office at the tail end of that war, I believe at a point where it was pretty much as good as won already. The British were under the catastrophic misapprehension that the Xhosa nation-- being socially and culturally similar or same in most respects to the Zulu-- had the same level of enthusiasm for warrior virtue and tactical battlefield skill as the Zulu. **WROOOOOONG!!!** I think Chelmsford later decided to cover his toffy upper-crust ass by blaming Col. Dumford for his own blunders-- blunders that Dumford had, in some cases, tried to counsel him against committing in the first place-- and throwing him under the bus. Being that Dumford was but a lowly Irishman, I don't think many of his peers even wanted to doubt him. Still, while the disaster that was the Battle of Islhandwana didn't not toally wreck Chelmsford's reputation or his status, it didn't exactly put a nice shine on them either.
Superb Zulu NUMBERS not warriors, is what caused the British defeat. And yes, the British were arrogant in ignoring the possible great outnumbering of the Zulus.
To this day, a defensive perimeter is SOP regardless of the situation, in most militaries. It was then. What the CoC was thinking here, is beyond me. I've been exposed to arrogant toxic commands, but never anything at this FUBAR level.
@@markuse3472 British leadership was arrogant and Zulu warriors overwhelmed their opponents.Leadership failed and men paid.S.N.A.F.U. The legions under Varus could attest to failed leadership.
@@patrickmayisa9863Which was the greatest victory? Also who is we? ❤ Have you been to these places before? Is see it as a arse whopping that killed thousands of people. For expansion, exploitation, asset stripping, and land grabs. Fighting with rifles against spears. Take nothing away from the men, it's the systems that bank rolls these expeditions are evil people who care only for money( it's their God imho) Where is all Britains wealth? Because it goes tonthe government (who think it's there own) and the crown (how many hundreds of years of this and taxes have they had now?) Is just wrong. Im not against the Royals but it's time they gave back to the country that has spilled blood sweat and tears for the same family. If they done say charity auction for schools,NHS, care homes just of possessions and then a property they own could sell for how much so you think? Say Balmoral for instance, how much would a global auction take that up to in value? Use that money for said places. We all need education, we use the NHS ( which is being destroyed as I type this) and if we make it then care homes ( the old people who helped us be here today are being treat really bad imho) why would this happen? On a selfish note for then it would gain them a massive respect from a nation needing a immediate boost of everything we need right now. But mainly a sense of belonging and true leadership that don't care for them who pays there wages The public via taxes ( know anywhere else that does this?) Then they give it to all their mates( lodge men priority first) as jobs,grants,banks, energy companies (£8 Billion,why?) contracts, suppliers, whoever they used/use as they swore the same oath to the brotherhood which they serve,and pretend to be so untouchable as police are a huge percentage of the Brotherhood of Masonry. They protect themselves only, many examples from partygate, Hillsborough, Dunblane and so much more is all you need to see to get that this parallel society lies to the rest of us (which is no crime) but being above the law is wrong as it's a kind of knowledge,power and control of the country by people who are protected by one and other. This creates over confident people who some go on to do evil things, some are covered up (see Nicola Bully case) it reeks of corruption and lies. So many red flags there. But this was not the only killing either. Police, Sky news, News papers all make stuff up to suit or hide it away. To name a few here 1. CCTV lies(deepfake), No cell phone pinged by police or location movement and map all smart phones have? Why? Who did she speak to last on her phone? Which was on a works zoom call also.That one caravan near where she was found was never searched by police. The sonar story (Peter told the police to dive there and they did not,why?the men in Black one with the police, seen (by who tho?) So much more here. The fact her husbands business that was going to be going into liquidation(was in Nikki's name) so now that the insurance would payout? Is that not a motive? This case needs a private investigators team on it to go through all this and more. because The UK Tabloids they are in the Lodges as well as there own PR wing (for gov) so they cannot be trusted not to be biased can they? ❤UK. How much do they control our country do you think? I see them everywhere tbh. In everything going here in the UK it's ran by them and there pyramid of degrees/ranking. Have they messed up this once the Greatest country in the world, to it's laughing stock? British empire funded this whole expedition in Zululand and more (what place did the freemasons play in it's undertaking so you think? Read Albert Pikes letter from 1859 or something it's shocking. It was removed fr the British Museum in 1977 because it says about creating 3 world wars to stop people believing in God, and to follow the doctrine of Lucifer! Don't take my word for it, please look it up and read it then think of our families who suffered for this plan from Pike (Mason) to Bavaria to Italian man a leader named Mazaratii (spelled wrong here) who was actually in charge of the Illuminati at that time.( Illuminati aren't a god dam conspiracy theory btw) To awe my Granda suffer until he died aged 80 with complex PTSD which was not a thing you admitted back then. He spoke to me about WW2 only once when of a old photo of mine said straight away that's Antwerp in Belgium isn't it? Them said he was there many times as it was a huge depot after D-Day and Market Garden ( which his younger brother was killed on the 15/9/1944) found with no personal items to send home, not even a body part. My Nan said he drowned somehow? My Grandaa's brother he was only 19 and in a the same tank regiment the Royal Scots. ❤ To all the fallen and their families in every conflict that was man made! 🍾 ❤But who funded these wars? They all put bets on and crash economies for a bet at the drop of a hat? Who funded Hitler's rise? His fuel,oil and money was sent from the USA. A Anglo-American bank helped them along (much profit here) Averill Harriman and Prescott Bush ( yeah them bushes) to name a couple. Providing Nazis with oil and cash for a war. Then when UK was free from a victory in WWII we then went down hill because the US wanted it's money back from us there main allies then pumped it into the countries who tortured,bombs, shot and raped it's way round the world at our allies. So does anyone know why did Japan and Germany (who started it) prosper over the country that has the balls to stand up to them alone? The UK has still never recovered. Did we really lose the war??❤
Thank you for this movie. As a Pietermaritzburg resident way back, it was so good to see the Oval in the early scenes. Not to mention The Natal Witness newspaper 💯
This is the best movie I have ever seen truthfully I have lost count how many times I have watched it I wish there were more movies like this one it's a real classic
I saw this movie in 1980, in Johannesburg, as an impressionable youngster of 11 years. I felt pity for the British, sort of, but identified with that kid placing the markers as the Zulus stormed from behind him. My grandfather called Chelmsford an idiot when we stopped at Chelmsford dam on the way to Durban. My family had fought against the British in the 2nd Anglo-Boer War, and were left to die in Irene Concentration Camp, so I had more sympathy for the Zulus in 1980. That's NOT the attitude the Apartheid government wanted a white boy to have, but it was too late. My sympathy for black Africans would get me into trouble when I was conscripted into the SADF in 1989. The superb quality of actors from the UK, America, and South Africa is shown in this movie. Can you imagine having to control all those horses and wagons and people on that parade ground near the beginning?
Love the music at 50:33 and 50:51 and when they cross the river at rorke's drift very patriotic when Cetshwayo gave his speech to his warriors it gives me chills when the zulu warriors did their war chant
But Chelmsford was sure he knew where the Zulu impi was due to the recon patrol's information. They encountered around 2,000 Zulus and were certain it was the vanguard of the Zulu impi, and Chelmsford accepted it.
Currently reading Lt. Colonel Snook's _How Can Man Die Better_ and I was surprised to learn just how different the real battle was from the movie version. Like the Zulus carried a lot of their own guns into the battle and for a long while, the Zulus were unable to actually make real, effective charges because the British fire was so heavy and punishing they kept going to ground to escape the bullets.
Agreed. It is the best book ever written on the battle. Much of it is speculative. HOWEVER, the speculation is logical and based on known facts. The movie makes Durnford out to be the hero and while he was no doubt a brave man, much of the tactical failing at Isandlwana was down to his reckless decisions. Mike Snook, with justification, does not go easy on Durnford like this movie does.
I think this really has improved with age - having first watched it in the mid-1980s, to be honest, it came across at the time as a very routine historical film....but that sense of bluster and over confidence in the film's characters has a real resonance now
Same I've always pictured myself in that thin red line and what the thoughts would be. Most of them in that scene have the look of fear in their eyes and many of the 1st 24th knew it wasn't going to be an engagement they would win. I have to give CSM Williams credit tho for beating the zulu with his own club. Pvt storey could have survived if he had stayed down and played dead.
Hope someone makes a version that combines this and Zulu together into one big epic movie. Really wish they'd make a third movie that shows the British retaliation I know there's a book series that does just that.
I was an extra on this film playing a British soldier.Amazing experience for me.Met all the great actors and the Zulus were incredible.I will never forget these moments in my life.
REAL?
@@GTNH3yes it's was real
What a load of bollocks👀
@@GTNH3 it was made in the 60s ,most of the soldiers were in their 30s at least ,do the maths lmao
@@richgilmour5924 mate are you stupid in the title it literally says 1979, so it was the 70s even closing in on 80s
45 years later and still come back to this great movie.
Still as fascinating as it ever was.
Which you like better? This one or Zulu? Zulu is a major epic. But this one is a little more entertaining
@@scottgordon8902 Both
I saw this at 10 years old in the theaters. Mind blowing and captivating. Respect to all the warriors on all sides.
Peter O’Toole plays these type of characters so well, the arrogant confidence he displays whilst portraying Chelmsford.
It never ceases to amaze me that Peter O'Toole never won an Oscar!!!
He really does make you wanna slap the attitude outta him 😂
I think the word your looking for is english upper class arseholes even in the first world war and the second world war putting clowns in charge with outdated tactics and no regard for people lifes will allways end in a loss but not them fuck em
Agree. Excellent portrayal.
Chelmsford got away with it afterwards.
Back in the days (1979) when you couldn't simply computer generate extra soldiers or extra backgrounds. You had to get lots and lots of extras with lots and lots of costumes. Add to that all the military encampments, tents, landscapes -- you have quite a production that looks wonderful even today. No CGI. None at all.
Really is that how it was done ?
Go figure..
🙈
@@donlove3741 he must be some sort of expert historian , please show some respect .
Really!? Bless O Great Lord of Insight. 🙏
Kinda wish it was still done like this.
I'm in the process of scripting a remake
I miss these kinds of war movies, when CGI wasn't a thing yet. Just raw practical talent and participation for all the casts and those brave Zulu Warriors. This is one of my favorites alongside Zulu.
@Eligar EsooYeah.
they will never be made again. revisionist history and feminism will see to that.
Ooooph aren't you liberal with your "brave zulu warriors".
@@Avid_Fan I forgot that I made a comment on the video. It's been so long.
CGI has been a fantastic advancement to movie making. If used correctly its potential is amazing. CGI Movies like Interstellar for instance are brilliant. Don't know why people think it has ruined movies.
One of the absolute greatest war films of all time. The background musical score, acting, scenery, and props were all superb. The ending credits with the war hymn was beautifully artistic. Saw this movie first while a young lad living in London in the early 80s, but didn't appreciate its overall mastery as a film until much later in life.
And historically very accurate.
Ouch - "accurate" is a stretch.
Well done cinematically - I seriously concur ! !
I saw it as a lad when it was first shown on ITV. I had seen Zulu a couple of times with my dad and we rushed home to watch the ITV premiere of this film. I was blown away by its savagery and epic scale. Ignited a lifelong love of military history
@@timkellyD2R it's not historically correct, life for the whites in the natal colony wasn't as Comfortable as it is potrayed, secondly the Zulu people did nor kill without trial & thirdly the Zulu people sure did not fight to the death for the King 's pleasure
Nothing like some jive ass history to make you think
I just realised this was filmed in 1979... 100 years after this famous action.
Yeah, filmed in a park in Tottenham?
It says that right at the beginning of the film.
Underrated movie
The final battle is awesome they don’t make movies like this anymore.
20000 CGI animated soldiers if done today
The close ups are good but the wide shots are underwhelming. Nowhere near as many Zulus as there should be. It doesnt do the battle justice at all, as well as misrepresenting what actually happened.
@@lyndoncmp5751 can’t find 50,000 zulus
1:35:15
Great movie from days gone by,,,,, even spotted phil Daniels in the opening scene ,,,,,,,its all super hero rubbish now and cartoons
For mindless Adults?
Lord Chelmsford should have been held to account for his mismanagement of the expedition.
Instead, because of his friendship with Queen Victoria, he faced no demotion.
Great movie.
I still prefer these older classics over the newer stuff nowadays.
Same
Most definitely so,watched Waterloo couple of days ago,such a classic+the fact all the extras were played by Russian troops in 1970(at the height of the Cold War)is most intriguing although the director was a Russian
This is a fantastic and thoughtful film. The cunning and bravery of the Zulus is displayed . But in this film it is much more nuanced than previous depictions. The courage of the British went hand in hand with their vanity. All the actors gave wonderful performances. I am very grateful to you for uploading this classic movie onto CZcams.
Great Britain ☘️ 📚 🇬🇧
>200 to 1 odds
>cunning and brave
They got their asses handed to them shortly after.
You don't start sentences with "But".
Liberals like you have to drone on about the "brave Zulu warriors" to make it ok for you to like it.
The sly dig at the original film was pathetic.
The original film is far superior to this film.
Zulu is a far more masterful and beautiful film on so many levels than this film.
This film is Yank anti British propaganda
Napoleon Bonaparte's grand nephew Louis Napoleon was killed by Zulus shortly after this battle while serving as a cavalry scout with the British.
And he was married with Beatrice the daughter of Queen Victoria
@@ricardomendes8483 They weren't exactly married but they were engaged before he was killed. Beatrice ended up marrying Henry of Battenberg .
@@gobanito true
@Joe Loves Movies & TV And that's because they got married in the Black Forest
He did not have an official commission. He was supposed to be there as an observer. A very stupid mistake got him and 3 others killed. They didn't perform a simple area recon of the area they wanted to rest and have afternoon tea...
This is one of my favourite movies ever. The actors portrayed the characters so accurately and the battle scene is the best of all war movies imo.
I prefer Zulu and private Ryan but I think Zulu is far superior to this you know 200 odd soldiers with single shot rifles against 4 thousand zulus and they defended rourkes drift what a film.
@@jamesmitchell5126 100 odd soldiers you mean...
@@jamesmitchell5126 So you prefer movies that portray a victory for the side you like more? The Rourke's Drift was remarkable in the ligh of battle of Isandlwana. And yes, it was a nice example of discipline and defense strategy. But Isandlwana is a beautiful example of arrogance and underestimating one's enemies, which leads to a disaster, which is a message that we always need to remember.
James faulkner was the one who portrayed my distant relative Lt. Melvill VC
One of the soldiers made a wondéful. Movie when he was about 10yrs old it is about a poor boy and his hawk. It is both funny and sad and reminds me of the grittier side of england.
I’ve seen this movie many times before, it never gets “old”!
My great grandfather fought at isanlwana he was killed in battle i only learned this a few yars ago :(
He died bravely
@@jurd3641 thank you
RIP
:(
No war is not honorable there’s nothing glorious or brave about it it is pointless and stupid being proud of murdering hundreds of people is awful war is not honorable nothing is brave about it no one should be proud about a relative dying for nothing
Ive watched this movie more than 10 times, still not tired of it.Excellent film
Wow, those sunrise/sunsets and the pristine landscape that the Zulu called HOME. Trying to protect a way of life and culture. Great movie in its portrayal.
It was a patriarchal dictatorship without due process. Im assuming that North Korea and Cuba are appealing to you as well? Begin your "whataboutism" now!
Wow. What a movie. The home boys certainly had this one. The other really good movie is Shaka Zulu. You don't get to see it very often, especially in the long form, but it's another epic story about the Zulu nation. Thanks for sharing.
Fantastic movie making.
ABSOLUTELY NOTHING can compare nowadays.
This has to be one of the best war films 🎥 ever ! You'll never beat the old ones nowadays it's nothing compared to back then . I always watched this movie back years always love it and it'll never get old or boring.
Yeah but Peter O'Toole jump over a mile before punching a tank to pieces?😊
Oh please newer war movies are way better. Saving private ryan has the best battle scene of all time for instance.
It depends what war your watching and yes zuzlu dawn is a different war compared to saving private ryan and its older than it to and these days there's more equipment
Platoon is way better than saving private ryan.
Obi Wan seems to have gotten lost in the clone wars.
On a serious note, I just finished a really good book on Isandlwana, this film is an overall good representation of the battle, like Durnfords horse advancing, taking cover then retreating, the missile battery being almost immediately overrun.
I do feel it does a disservice to the soldiers of the 24th foot though, who were a well experienced regiment at this point, the Zulus advance was supressed and stalled at several points due to their efficiency with the Henry Martini, they didn't run blindly into a hail of bullets, and when the Zulu reached the camp. the 24th didn't break into a rout, they formed Company squares that the Zulus struggled to break and fought on until they used all of their ammunition and were overcome by sheer numbers.
i was also thinking how he looks like obi wab
obi wan ain't in this, bro. learn the actor's name if you're so obsessed with him.
@@plasticweapon r/whoosh
@@richgilmour5924 r/whoosh yourself.
@@plasticweaponthat’s correct Alec Guinness is not in this movie
I have just watched this now and enjoyed it a lot.Thanks for the upload
Thank you so much for posting this movie.. Ive been wanting to watch it forever!!!
Makes you wonder why they never invented even simple things like shoes, or the wheel, or pipes for water, or chairs, etc.
They had sandles even before shaka. They never had to invent them coz they got those through trade. Zulus 1st encounter with whites is not with the british, it was the portuguese. The portuguese wanted ivory, zulus took whatever looked cool as payment
In 1997 aged 18 I went to these places for a month. Wow! God's country. I felt so at home in the wilderness phase of the expedition and we where miles from any people. This Battle (or massacre) was before Rourke's Drift (Zulu movie) which also went to l. We then built sports facilities for the local school raising £30 000 which was difficult but well spent. What I eye opening experience it was. School cloaed at 2pm but the kids stayed until 6pm. Trying to explain the western punishment of detention to the lad who was helping me for a couple of the days was memorable. He said in English " so if you are bad you get to do more education? " Wow, we at school don't know how lucky we where/are. Maybe we should rethink this punishment as it is saying that education is a punishment! No wonder kids get disillusioned by the education system. These people were poor, but very friendly and always smiling. I would love to go back there to see it again. That area Kwa-Zulu Natal was/is so beautiful. Also the Drakensberg mountains sleeping in caves with wall art on them at 8000ft was staggering the sheer amount of stars you can see sleeping above the clouds with zero light pollution was magnificent. There's so many compared to England's Northern Hemisphere. I asked the universe a couple of times to give me a sign and sure enough it did ( is it sentinel?) I. Sleeping beauty cave on our last night I said to the lad closest to me "at least it's not freezing like last night eh Nelson?" He replied "aye" on his Scottish accent. 1 second after this the winds started and OMG they were so fierce that I put a big stone in-between my legs on top of my sleeping bag to stop me being blown away. Rocks were falling, our equipment was thrown out the cave and about 2 miles down the valley. Coincidence? If so what timing that was. They came down from the peaks of the South Africa and Leshuto border to us. I could write a book on this journey, as it was filled with things that I struggle to put into words to do it justice. I have never been so insightful, clear minded, instinctive, inituative, so at home ever again. Sleeping on the ground to many in the west is insane to them for some reason? My predictions about my life came true also (not in a good way) since 1997 I have been missing a part of me that remains there still today. Our life here now is so far from that place in so many ways. We try to swap nature for man made things (mostly we do not need to) so much still to learn on this subject. Everyone should experience the wilderness at least once in their lives as it awakens something inside us that's dormant in the concrete jungle. Living briefly with the Zulu tribe was amazing, they ambushed us with the assagis (spears) and shields when we were heading towards the village on horse back circling us (all in good spirits) was something else. They danced,cooked food for us and told us stories. Stayed in a Zulu Kral (domed house made of sticks woven) over night once also. I must stop here as this is already a book😂 I doubt anyone has even read this far down? All the white stones that remain on this film location we where shown and told about the last few men who made it up the big rock face we called the sphinx (not sure why) So much respect for the Zulu's who are a mind blowing people. Credo Mutwa has hours of footage on CZcams he talks about the time before the Moon came here and who brought it. How the Zulu creation story is of beings from the sky is amazing ( all around the world this has happened not all the same things or beings) many different ones have similar stories on this from South America, Africa, Europe and Asia. They all cannot be what we are told are myths? Maybe we as different races,creeds, colour and more each of us are originally from various different star systems? At this point why do most people either switch off or shoot it down and laugh? (Laughing is also a fear response) I don't get that mentality. Anyways I must go ( maybe i should write a short story for what I experienced?) Anyone else had any similar experiences? ❤ North England ❤Zulu Dawn!!! Great to see thanks 🙏
At least a short description of your adventure there! You should write!
@@eduardselksnis9135 Really? Such a long comment I got sucked in to it! It was)is still so hard to describe to anyone at all (I can never ever do it justice) I don't have the skills. The sheer emotional responses you have, the clarity of mind is unmatched, the consciousness of the environment as it's alive, listening to your instinct (we have lost this in the concrete jungle but still have it) and awareness and sheer amazing unspoiled natural world touches the soul. It changed me. I knew what was going to happen in my life when I got home and it did happen due to being what I feel was being back home. Thanks for replying.
@@checktheskies5040 , yes, I understand the greatness of the nature! Nature not spoiled by the anthropogenic factor
@@eduardselksnis9135 Not everyone gets the opportunity to be surrounded by it nevermind being in the wilderness. As you will know about this, you seem very switched on to it all. I think it should be something everyone gets to experience at least once in their lifetime,it's so rewarding it's life changing. Growth, healing and introspection. The connection we as humans lost to nature is such a shame as it's so healthy. I was lucky but many aren't. Have a great weekend. Cumbria, North England. ❤️
@@checktheskies5040, yes, people value the wild nature (t.i., not touched by anthropogenic factor). Everybody likes clean forests, lakes and rivers. But, to survive and not only, people readily destroy it. Old forest with huge trees are very important for me and they are so few and even those few are logged very intensively and finally will disappear unless something happens with our civilization. Thanks a lot for the good wishes! :) Have a nice week! Riga, Latvia. ❤
Born and raised in KZN _ big props to the creator for shedding some light and info into our history
Awesome movie. Everything looks so real. Hats off to the makers👌👌🙏🙏😘
Thank you for the high quality upload of such an excellent film.
Good film, Shaka was good to see before as it shows the build up of the Zulu kingdom. Although I was always interested in the shield types, always the large war shield is shown. Roughly 5 feet in length, is known as an isihlangu and was king Shaka's shield of choice. It was treated in an offensive way by hooking the opponent's shield during hand-to-hand fighting however by this time the umbumbuluzo was mostly used. Also a war shield, but only 3.5 feet in length, and more sturdy than the isihlangu. They were easily held in one hand and were used first in full numbers in 1856 during Cetshwayo's campaign against Mbulazi. You can tell a lot about the warrior and/or regiments from one. Black/mostly black was for younger men but white & grey/all white was for veteran warriors. They also wore the Umqhele that only married men could wear. They could be sprinkled with special mixtures for protection or to make the warrior ‘invisible’ on the battlefield. After battle each shield would be returned to the king as a sign of loyalty and showing you did not lose it. Shaka would severely punish any man who lost his spear and shield during battle. Interesting film to watch.
Just watched all 10+ hours of the Shaka mini series because of this comment, before coming back here to watch this.
Definitely the way to go
That isn't Shaka in the film though, that is Cetshwayo, half nephew of Shaka.
@@williambaxter941 Seen it myself.
shut up babe
I like to think of the Shaka miniseries, the Zulu Dawn movie, and Zulu the movie as part of a three part trilogy
Shaka Miniseries = Rise of the Zulu
Zulu Dawn = Apex of the Zulu
Zulu = Fall of the Zulu
It is not often you see so many fine actors in the one movie. Well done, thanks for the upload.
Yes. Not just the lead actors, either.
50:15 to 51.02 with all the troops marching, the background, and the score, makes this one of my favorite scenes of all time.
44 years ago! Amazing. Where did my life go?
Thank you for posting this.
Zulu and Zulu Dawn 2 of my all time favs, love how they managed to make the movies and not really portray either side as the bad guys both great
They portray the different strategic war strategies employed by each side. It is not about 'good' vs 'evil' but which side has a better winning strategy.
@@canman5060 well not really, Zulu dawn is about the horrid British defeat at Isandlwana, ZULU really portrays the mutual respect between both sides. Both very good films though.
@@xcrzyyx4831 I'm a patriotic Brit but the defeat at Isandlwana wasn't horrid we absolutely deserved it, we were staggeringly arrogant, completely underestimated our enemy and as it says in the movie Chelmsford committed the cardinal military blunder of dividing his force while not fully knowing the disposition of the enemy.
@@adrianh332 you portrayed it the wrong way, the british were defeated horridly.
Thanks for sharing. A shame there is no movie showing the Zulu side.
I have ancestors from both sides actually and I really respect both, this movie as well a ZULU, is quite historically accurate but not exactly. But still these are amazing movies and you can see that the British and Zulus share one attribute, which is bravery.
In America of all the success white and black have, STILL since slavery even now blacks are last hired 1st fired,voting rights like slavery and Desmond Tutu passed away who for YEARS fought Apartheid.Excuse me are u black or white and yes race matters because im filling u responding with a weapon at ur head, or u under some witchcraft
Theres always one.
Yeah there are inaccuracies in Zulu example is Sargent hook the guy in the hospital playing an unruly dodgy geezer when in fact he was a very good soldier and his behaviour was impeccable. I few inconsistencies yes but it’s the feel to Zulu you can’t beat it.
very interesting.
great film and acting
@@jamesmitchell5126Even though I really enjoyed Hooks character in the movie, I felt really bad for him, when I discovered who he actually was. It would have been maybe better if they kept the movie one under a different name and the real Harry Hook could have been implemented as a minor chatacter, similarly to some of the other soldiers in the film.
To think that this battle took place 143 years ago this day is somewhat scary. The time is 10:59AM, to think that the men would be doing their early morning drills and the first patrols would be out scouring the land unprepared for what they would find. To think that all those men would not live to see the dawn of a new day, it really does chill you to your bones.
Soldiers die in times of war 😂
@@martincase8472 that doesn't mean we can't sympathise with those that lose their lives in war fighting a backwards and brutal people.
@@martincase8472 Funny huh ? So funny....... (O_O) ..... Hilarious
The biggest enemy is that old geezer in charge of the ammunition.
That was not the reality though.
Oh well. The old geezer paid his price in full. Poor bastard.
@@lyndoncmp5751 I saw a documentary a few years back that stated the way the ammo was packed made it a slow process to open boxes and therefore delayed the distribution. Could be wrong though. ?
@@roymeadows1708
Yeah that's an old documentary. All evidence shows the 24th Foot didn't run out of ammo on the firing line. They received more ammo, and hadn't even gone through their initial supply anyway. When they withdrew back to the camp they were still firing and largely made it back. Some 3/4 of the 24th Foot died in the camp and Saddle area. They can't have made it back there so far from the firing line if they had run out of ammo on the firing line. It's doubtful the 24th fired more than 50 of their own initial 70 rounds on the firing line according to experts like Col Mike Snook.
Durnfords Natal Native Mounted Contingent had only just got through their 50 rounds pee man shortly before the 24th Foot withdrew from the firing line and Durnford's men had been firing for longer and more indiscriminately, so it would make no sense that the more professional and more disciplined 24th Foot men had fired more than Durnford's men on the firing line.
Obviously the 24th Foot ran out of ammo eventually in the camp when the Zulus overran it and the ammo wagons.
Cheers.
No he is not! The biggest enemy is that old bitch back in her Palace. Well done to the Zulus!
Thank you for this epic Brilliant film!!! No Ads Wonderful just loved it!! We could learn a few things from the Zulu!
Maybe a few things.
I liked their version of the "dating app" at the beginning (with half-naked ebony beauties) certainly something we should learn from+ incorporate
Fantastic movie with a great cast. Thank you for putting this movie on You Tube for us.
The General did a very wrong move to have split his force in two.
He had little choice. A recon patrol the day before got itself into a problem when it chose to tangle with large numbers of Zulus late on in the afternoon and had to spend the night cut off in the hills. They feared the main impi would attack them in the morning so they called on Chelmsford for help. He only had 3 options.
1. Ignore their call for help and leave them to their fate. This could have resulted in their annihilation.
2. Send a token force out, which itself might get cut off and annihilated.
3. Send a powerful enough force out and keep a powerful force back at camp, acting on the defensive, to be further strengthened by Durnfords men soon to arrive.
Chelmsford chose option 3. Without the benefit of hindsight, this was militarily the soundest option.
The wrong move was when he started a war of aggression that he didn't need to. Especially as the British government was against the war.
Jens Nobel
I am 100% correct with what I said. A recon patrol consisting of a couple hundred mounted men and a thousand Natal Native Contingent men encountered a couple of thousand Zulus late on the afternoon before. They were forced to spend the night in the hills, ten miles southeast. By all accounts it was a terrifying night. They expected to be attacked by the main Zulu impi and sent a rider back with a message to Chelmsford, requesting assistance. That was the only reason Chelmsford halved his force.
It was militarily sound. He sent a strong force out and kept a strong force back and he reinforced the camp with Durnfords men.
There is very little wrong with this decision going by all the information given at the time. It was the recon patrol who told him the Zulus were in large numbers to the south-east.
There were no other reports of large numbers of Zulus anywhere else before he split his force and rode out.
Zulu Dawn totally omits this crucial historical fact. Don't believe what you see in that film because it is inaccurate to history.
Jens Nobel
"that Goddamned quartermaster with his precious lists"
Which never actually happened in REAL LIFE. Quartermaster Bloomfield handed out ammunition. The 24th Foot did not run out of ammo on the firing line.
The only troops who ran out of ammo on the firing line were Durnfords Natal Native Mounted Contingent. That was Durnford's fault as he didn't even take the trouble to take note of where his own ammo wagon was located in the camp. He was too interested in chasing after Zulus instead of sorting out his own supplies.
Great movie, thank you for sharing it
This movie has stood the test of time .And is as good as ever it was.
A little over two years earlier, Custer and the US 7th Cavalry fell at the Battle of Little Bighorn.
I don’t blame those Zulus for the apartheid. 🇺🇸🫂🇿🇦
Little Big Horn wasn't a battle, 10,000 against 200, plus other factors. No one knows the native American casualties
The Little Big Horn and Isandlwana had two things in common; the natives and the Indians were underestimated and the forces were split. Chelmsford suffered from the theory that he was fighting savages but the Zulus were very clever. Of course the army was still controlled by a bunch of Senior officers who had money and little else.
When in 1876 the news of custer arrived in Britain Chelmsford made a comment at his gentleman's club only a incompetent foolish commander could make such grave error
@@003Chel and of course Chelmsford was an expert on that subject lions led by donkeys .
My direct ancestor fought in all these wars and was badly shot in hlobane war but because Zulu warriors were becoming depleted and the war was starting to take its toll he was at the frontline in khambula. He survived the anglo-zulu war and went on to fight in Bhambatha rebellion even though he was old. He was killed by government troops as he was deemed the most wanted because they were killing black collaborators and white farmers.
Thanks for sharing with us. It is such a bloody war.
@@cbrown9555 SHUT UP
@@mariacornwallis1602 you sound troubled, please seek help
@@cbrown9555 I think you need to renew the straw that is in your cranium, and if you don't what a cranium is you can google it.... Bye bye
@@mariacornwallis1602 as I said, you appear to be very troubled.
Unlike todays re written histories, this gives both sides credit for what and who they were at the time! This movie, as well as a few others, such as TORA TORA TORA!, THE LONGEST DAY, and A BRIDGE TOO FAR, gives the small details within the story to understand the epic drama that it truly was! Without losing the interest and action of the Historic Battles themselves! It is the details that make History interesting. Not just memorizing the names, dates, and places of the event! If you enjoyed this movie, watch a movie I believe is called RORKE'S DRIFT! Or at least that is what it was about. it is again another monumental movie about the same battle at the Field Hospital the Zulu Nation came to next! The heroism and respect shown on both sides is inspiring!
The movie you’re speaking of is Zulu with Michael Caine released on the 85th anniversary of the Battle of Rorke’s drift in 1964. That battle took place on the same day as the Battle of Isandhlwana 1/22/1879
Thank you so much. I knew the day as that is my birthday. But I did not remember the year. I showed my children those two movies' years ago back-to-back. I've also instilled within them a curiosity about the History of Africa, Central and South America, and Asia. Places that we are still discovering ancient cultures within. We all know of the Great Civilization of The Egyptians, but one of the kids, is fascinated by the culture developed in Ethiopia. Which may have been around even longer? It's mentioned so many times within the BIBLE's Old and New Testaments, and in Greek and Roman Histories, yet so little is taught. Just goes to show you that if you really want to learn, you have to go out and find it. Education fails miserably in History, so we are bound to repeat it! :( @@kingkillmonger74
This movie is pretty on the nose sometimes, like that awful "final solution" line and the scene where the English boy gets shot. But overall, it's pretty good.
Full of inaccuracies and PC agenda though.
Some officers such as Curling, Cochrane, Gardner, Essex and Smith-Dorrien escaped because they were wearing blue coats. The warriors had been instructed by their king to ignore those who wore blue coats because they were priests (chaplains) or other non-combatants. This fact is mentioned by Smith-Dorrien in his book "Memories of Forty-Eight years' Service". The British Army lost fifty-two officers during the battle, four more than it did during the
battle of Waterloo. Lt. Smith-Dorrien is not portrayed in the movie. He played a dramatic role during the battle by breaking open the ammunition boxes and distributing the cartridges, all the while ignoring the protests of the Quartermaster. Lt. Smith-Dorrien later rose to the rank of Lt.-General.
Whether you had a horse or not was the main factor if you lived or died, not what colour your clothes were. 😉
@@lyndoncmp5751 A horseman trying to ride through a circle of attacking Zulus would have little change of success.
@@absue
True, but a horse can outrun Zulus chasing after it, whereas a man on foot couldn't.
Summer is a great time to catch up on all these adventure films. It just seems like the perfect time to watch them.
This was the first time for me to catch this one. I really enjoyed it. You can see so many great actors and character actors in this one film. Of course the big stars like Burt Lancaster, Peter O'Toole, John Mills, Simon Ward, Bob Hoskins, Freddie Jones, but also others whose names you may not recognize but whose faces you know. Denholm Elliot who played Col. Pulleine, writing the last letter in his tent at the end, played Marcus the museum curator and compatriot to Dr. Jones in Raiders of the Lost Art. Ronald Lacey played the reporter here and in Raiders he was great as Toht, the Gestapo agent who utters the great line: "You Americans, always overdressing for the wrong occasion". And Nigel Davenport as Col. Hamilton-Brown was seen prominently in 'Chariots of Fire' in '81 and later the same year in Nighthawks with Sly Stallone and Rutger Hauer. Funny, he's insulted for being an Irishman by..Peter O'Toole whose father was Irish and mother was Scottish. He probably loved delivering that ironic line.
Also, the parsimonious ammo quartermaster was played by Peter Vaughn who did many TV shows and movies, including Brazil.
Sadly, this film didn't quite do so well, and just missed out on the worldwide boom of Anglo/Australia cinema that was to follow only a year later. If it had been made one year later, it most likely would've done much better at the box office. Timing is everything. The Zulu certainly knew that well.
One of the best military movies!
50 plus year old and still within subtitles. Brillant.
Good movie .. . Thanks for uploading.
love the victory chant at the end credits....really admire the zulu
The song at the end credits is something I have carried with me since childhood, when I first saw this film.
Thanks for spoiling it
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Spoiler alert: the Zulu won the battle !!!
Even with an asssegai in your belly?
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But not the war..
I was impressed by the length of time and detail showing the Centre Column crossing the Buffalo River from Rorkes Drift . I was also impressed with the way the main battle was shown as it developed . It showed an overconfident, arrogant , British leadership get its deserved humiliation . As has often happened , the British soldiers fought bravely and well but , with poor leadership up against superb Zulu warriors and leaders , they were always up against it . At the very least , a larger should have been made around the camp . Very well made film .
While Chelmsford's reckless hubris with regard to his decision to directly engage to engage Chetswayo's forces and the manner with which he went about it is inexcusable, I think it could be partially explained by the fact that in the prior year or so, the British garrison in Natal Province had handily defeated the forces of the Xhosa nation via open warfare. Much of that victory was credited to Chelmsford himself, which was like giving the President credit for a booming economy five months after assuming office. That is: he'd come into his own office at the tail end of that war, I believe at a point where it was pretty much as good as won already.
The British were under the catastrophic misapprehension that the Xhosa nation-- being socially and culturally similar or same in most respects to the Zulu-- had the same level of enthusiasm for warrior virtue and tactical battlefield skill as the Zulu.
**WROOOOOONG!!!**
I think Chelmsford later decided to cover his toffy upper-crust ass by blaming Col. Dumford for his own blunders-- blunders that Dumford had, in some cases, tried to counsel him against committing in the first place-- and throwing him under the bus. Being that Dumford was but a lowly Irishman, I don't think many of his peers even wanted to doubt him.
Still, while the disaster that was the Battle of Islhandwana didn't not toally wreck Chelmsford's reputation or his status, it didn't exactly put a nice shine on them either.
Superb Zulu NUMBERS not warriors, is what caused the British defeat.
And yes, the British were arrogant in ignoring the possible great outnumbering of the Zulus.
@@gregrock7451 Yeah sounds like a toffy upper-crust ass Officer for sure. Blame it all on the guy that died on the field and who can't defend himself.
To this day, a defensive perimeter is SOP regardless of the situation, in most militaries. It was then. What the CoC was thinking here, is beyond me. I've been exposed to arrogant toxic commands, but never anything at this FUBAR level.
@@markuse3472 British leadership was arrogant and Zulu warriors overwhelmed their opponents.Leadership failed and men paid.S.N.A.F.U. The legions under Varus could attest to failed leadership.
What a great movie ,and all great actors,I never get tired of watching these older movie 👍
It's simply a good movie, one should not miss it. Atiq Khan , Karachi.
I love the Zulu victory song at the end this was truly their greatest moment
Not greatest, but one of our greatest victories
It was a Pyrrhic victory, one that ensured the Zulu's destruction less than 6 months later.
@FiveLiver 🤣 seems like you a little salty that the Zulus won this particular Victory bitch.
@@patrickmayisa9863Which was the greatest victory? Also who is we? ❤ Have you been to these places before? Is see it as a arse whopping that killed thousands of people. For expansion, exploitation, asset stripping, and land grabs. Fighting with rifles against spears. Take nothing away from the men, it's the systems that bank rolls these expeditions are evil people who care only for money( it's their God imho) Where is all Britains wealth? Because it goes tonthe government (who think it's there own) and the crown (how many hundreds of years of this and taxes have they had now?) Is just wrong. Im not against the Royals but it's time they gave back to the country that has spilled blood sweat and tears for the same family. If they done say charity auction for schools,NHS, care homes just of possessions and then a property they own could sell for how much so you think? Say Balmoral for instance, how much would a global auction take that up to in value? Use that money for said places. We all need education, we use the NHS ( which is being destroyed as I type this) and if we make it then care homes ( the old people who helped us be here today are being treat really bad imho) why would this happen? On a selfish note for then it would gain them a massive respect from a nation needing a immediate boost of everything we need right now. But mainly a sense of belonging and true leadership that don't care for them who pays there wages The public via taxes ( know anywhere else that does this?) Then they give it to all their mates( lodge men priority first) as jobs,grants,banks, energy companies (£8 Billion,why?) contracts, suppliers, whoever they used/use as they swore the same oath to the brotherhood which they serve,and pretend to be so untouchable as police are a huge percentage of the Brotherhood of Masonry. They protect themselves only, many examples from partygate, Hillsborough, Dunblane and so much more is all you need to see to get that this parallel society lies to the rest of us (which is no crime) but being above the law is wrong as it's a kind of knowledge,power and control of the country by people who are protected by one and other. This creates over confident people who some go on to do evil things, some are covered up (see Nicola Bully case) it reeks of corruption and lies. So many red flags there. But this was not the only killing either. Police, Sky news, News papers all make stuff up to suit or hide it away. To name a few here 1. CCTV lies(deepfake), No cell phone pinged by police or location movement and map all smart phones have? Why? Who did she speak to last on her phone? Which was on a works zoom call also.That one caravan near where she was found was never searched by police. The sonar story (Peter told the police to dive there and they did not,why?the men in Black one with the police, seen (by who tho?) So much more here. The fact her husbands business that was going to be going into liquidation(was in Nikki's name) so now that the insurance would payout? Is that not a motive? This case needs a private investigators team on it to go through all this and more. because The UK Tabloids they are in the Lodges as well as there own PR wing (for gov) so they cannot be trusted not to be biased can they? ❤UK. How much do they control our country do you think? I see them everywhere tbh. In everything going here in the UK it's ran by them and there pyramid of degrees/ranking. Have they messed up this once the Greatest country in the world, to it's laughing stock? British empire funded this whole expedition in Zululand and more (what place did the freemasons play in it's undertaking so you think? Read Albert Pikes letter from 1859 or something it's shocking. It was removed fr the British Museum in 1977 because it says about creating 3 world wars to stop people believing in God, and to follow the doctrine of Lucifer! Don't take my word for it, please look it up and read it then think of our families who suffered for this plan from Pike (Mason) to Bavaria to Italian man a leader named Mazaratii (spelled wrong here) who was actually in charge of the Illuminati at that time.( Illuminati aren't a god dam conspiracy theory btw) To awe my Granda suffer until he died aged 80 with complex PTSD which was not a thing you admitted back then. He spoke to me about WW2 only once when of a old photo of mine said straight away that's Antwerp in Belgium isn't it? Them said he was there many times as it was a huge depot after D-Day and Market Garden ( which his younger brother was killed on the 15/9/1944) found with no personal items to send home, not even a body part. My Nan said he drowned somehow? My Grandaa's brother he was only 19 and in a
the same tank regiment the Royal Scots. ❤ To all the fallen and their families in every conflict that was man made! 🍾 ❤But who funded these wars? They all put bets on and crash economies for a bet at the drop of a hat? Who funded Hitler's rise? His fuel,oil and money was sent from the USA. A Anglo-American bank helped them along (much profit here) Averill Harriman and Prescott Bush ( yeah them bushes) to name a couple. Providing Nazis with oil and cash for a war. Then when UK was free from a victory in WWII we then went down hill because the US wanted it's money back from us there main allies then pumped it into the countries who tortured,bombs, shot and raped it's way round the world at our allies. So does anyone know why did Japan and Germany (who started it) prosper over the country that has the balls to stand up to them alone? The UK has still never recovered. Did we really lose the war??❤
An excellet film with one of my favorite, Burt Lancaster. RIP.
On Richard Nixons enemies list I understand. If that’s not praise then I don’t know what is
Thank you for this movie. As a Pietermaritzburg resident way back, it was so good to see the Oval in the early scenes. Not to mention The Natal Witness newspaper 💯
This is the best movie I have ever seen truthfully I have lost count how many times I have watched it I wish there were more movies like this one it's a real classic
Zulu 1964
And I believe Zulu uprising
What an incredible film!
Thousands of Zulu’s quickly advancing
The quartermaster: *WAIT YOUR BLOODY TURN.*
They don't make movies this good anymore. Thanks for the post!
I really love the ending scene with the zulus singing
I like the history and the Zulu the way they emerge for war and the end chant
Poor major Russel and his rocket battery,so far forward and isolated he had no chance that far out
I have no idea what Durnford was thinking by ordering the rocket battery out to follow and support him.
A timeless epic of a movie ……
Cracking film - thanks for uploading
I saw this movie in 1980, in Johannesburg, as an impressionable youngster of 11 years.
I felt pity for the British, sort of, but identified with that kid placing the markers as the Zulus stormed from behind him.
My grandfather called Chelmsford an idiot when we stopped at Chelmsford dam on the way to Durban.
My family had fought against the British in the 2nd Anglo-Boer War, and were left to die in Irene Concentration Camp, so I had more sympathy for the Zulus in 1980.
That's NOT the attitude the Apartheid government wanted a white boy to have, but it was too late.
My sympathy for black Africans would get me into trouble when I was conscripted into the SADF in 1989.
The superb quality of actors from the UK, America, and South Africa is shown in this movie.
Can you imagine having to control all those horses and wagons and people on that parade ground near the beginning?
It finally happened , a senior officer safety checking the muzzle/crown/rifling of a rifle, never seen that on any youtube video
Love the music at 50:33 and 50:51 and when they cross the river at rorke's drift very patriotic when Cetshwayo gave his speech to his warriors it gives me chills when the zulu warriors did their war chant
Thank you
an excellent portrayal...
Tremenda cinta de la época del cine clásico de los años 70. Una de las mejores de su epoca.
Oh yeah
And in French or German or even English !
A good commander never splits his army until he knows the disposition of his enemies
But Chelmsford was sure he knew where the Zulu impi was due to the recon patrol's information. They encountered around 2,000 Zulus and were certain it was the vanguard of the Zulu impi, and Chelmsford accepted it.
One of the best war films
Always remember this being shown on TV at Christmas when I was a kid.
One of best 👌 movies 🎬 made the time I'm glad African fought for the own land long life to Africa 🌍 we love from middle East
I always watch this first then I put Zulu on after ❤️
I will never forget January 22.
Thank you 🤩🤩🤩💖💖
CGIs are cartoons. This was the real deal.
Currently reading Lt. Colonel Snook's _How Can Man Die Better_ and I was surprised to learn just how different the real battle was from the movie version. Like the Zulus carried a lot of their own guns into the battle and for a long while, the Zulus were unable to actually make real, effective charges because the British fire was so heavy and punishing they kept going to ground to escape the bullets.
Thanks. I just ordered the book myself.
Agreed. It is the best book ever written on the battle. Much of it is speculative. HOWEVER, the speculation is logical and based on known facts.
The movie makes Durnford out to be the hero and while he was no doubt a brave man, much of the tactical failing at Isandlwana was down to his reckless decisions. Mike Snook, with justification, does not go easy on Durnford like this movie does.
Agreed
Interesting. Also most of the British casualties at Rorke's Drift were from Zulu musket rifle fire not assegais.
Joey
Yes, 18 out of 32 British casualties at Rorkes Drift were via Zulu gunfire.
Great movie!!!! You reap what you sow....love it...
It was a favourite when I was in my teens and still is now that I am in my 70’s.
I love this movie keep it up!
Same
I think this really has improved with age - having first watched it in the mid-1980s, to be honest, it came across at the time as a very routine historical film....but that sense of bluster and over confidence in the film's characters has a real resonance now
One of the best films ever made
Ah ..... No!
Definitely one of my favorites
❤Great movie as like as the Michael Caine one Zulu'. Fantastic number of casts, great late actors! Bravo!!👍👍👍👍👍👏👏👏👏👏🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Great film :) didn't realise it was in the public domain.
1:22:58 The zoomed out shot of the Zulu army chanting gives me chills every time.
Especially the looks of the infantry as they look on. Looking at your death from afar
Same I've always pictured myself in that thin red line and what the thoughts would be. Most of them in that scene have the look of fear in their eyes and many of the 1st 24th knew it wasn't going to be an engagement they would win. I have to give CSM Williams credit tho for beating the zulu with his own club. Pvt storey could have survived if he had stayed down and played dead.
Dunno about that. Zulus would slice open the bellies of the British dead to allow their souls to leave their bodies.
CZcams need more free 70s and 80s movies
Thank you very much for movie of zulu dawn , if admin next upload 1080p hd for thank again .
When officers came from nobility and believed themselves a class above others.
And were expected to conduct themselves as such
Dunford was "Anglo-Irish" and most likely spoke with an English middle-class accent.
Very good film. Thank you, CZcams.
Thankyou I enjoyed the movie veryuch!
Such a fantastic very great military movie.Great fun of an enjoyment to,with great excitement witnessing The British and the Zulus take each other on!
Hope someone makes a version that combines this and Zulu together into one big epic movie. Really wish they'd make a third movie that shows the British retaliation I know there's a book series that does just that.
Shaka Zulu one of the biggest slavers in history. Conveniently forgotten by certain people today.
Great movie watch heaps times from Scott new Zealand
This is my favourite movie and I watch it non stop thank you so much for the great content (I am subscribed!)
Rumors abound...that the sequel will be filmed on location in East L.A.