3 Misconceptions in Modern Release

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  • čas přidán 24. 11. 2023
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Komentáře • 95

  • @peterthebowler
    @peterthebowler Před 7 měsíci +26

    Thanks for sharing. We hear the same info everywhere, but your explanations bring a clear understanding which makes them much more effective. This is what separates your videos from others. Thanks again. Can't wait for your next one.

    • @murymann
      @murymann Před 7 měsíci +1

      The release is unique to every individual’s physiology and strength. One size, never fits all. If you choose to take the game seriously start with a routine and hand position at the point of release that’s natural and comfortable. That’s #1. If it’s not comfortable it’s not repeatable.

    • @curtismast6069
      @curtismast6069 Před 6 měsíci +1

      😅9

  • @inkmanone558
    @inkmanone558 Před 7 měsíci +26

    Never apologize for showing how to bowl correctly, great information. Keep it coming ! Thank you.

  • @i8910midnight
    @i8910midnight Před 7 měsíci +7

    I have many misunderstandings from this video.
    1. Timing.
    2. Shoulder rotation.
    3. Distance of feet at the foul line.
    4. Thumb and finger pitches
    5. Correct posture at release
    All I see from the videos are just arms and hand. Will gladly send a thank you for a much more detailed and concise video. Keep up the great work.

    • @tonylester6607
      @tonylester6607 Před 2 měsíci +1

      Modern “Release” is the title. It sounds like you know enough to understand that beginners need the basics. This video was perfect.

  • @Gk2003m
    @Gk2003m Před 23 dny +3

    I’ll add one thing here: play other sports. Physiology and body mechanics transfer from sport to sport. A good soccer kick has similar mechanics to a good golf swing to a good bowling swing. I’m experiencing this right now. I’m age 61, and had a decades-long layoff from bowling and back issues that impeded my golf swing. But I picked up bowling again a few months ago. In building a new throw I’m breaking it down. Almost there, bowling games over 200 on a semi-frequent basis now. And the things I’m doing for bowling are transferring to golf, and that’s getting back to where it was at age 25 (scratch)

    • @jamesmurraldeo7624
      @jamesmurraldeo7624 Před 7 dny

      My 2 most beloved sports, bowling and table tennis, don’t have much in common in terms of body mechanics. :)

  • @davegroves5479
    @davegroves5479 Před 7 měsíci +7

    All I can say is thank you, amazing video explaining how you bowl… yes I know not everyone throws the same way but that’s up to use to find what works… and I applied your method of the release this morning in league 279/203/270 - 752 first seven of the season… thank you for sharing

  • @chanthareth250
    @chanthareth250 Před 7 měsíci +4

    I've been looking for a release like this! Thank You!

  • @jbivens3
    @jbivens3 Před 7 měsíci +1

    This makes so much sense. I just drilled a dumb hole in a bowl Monday and been practicing it and got it right and then lost it and I see now what it was

  • @mikerinehart2480
    @mikerinehart2480 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Love the vids. Clear and concise. No babble

  • @rkh1116
    @rkh1116 Před 7 měsíci +5

    Well if people weren't confused before, they will be after watching this.

    • @janproshopchannel
      @janproshopchannel  Před 7 měsíci

      To clarify, this video is for modern Yoyo release that is not parallel with traditional release, especially for those who are wearing wrist guards. The mechanism is just different.
      Using a tight thumb hole to create extra time for flipping; extremely light finger pressure to ensure forward roll Not upward; zero muscling from wrist to achieve cupping - these are common practice among pro bowlers here to achieve fingers being at bottom creating high rev.
      The namely Low-Down release (ロダンリリース) is the modern trend in Japan whereas quite a few PBA Pro in the states side are adopting the same.

  • @petesmith111
    @petesmith111 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Thank you for the useful information.It was illuminating.

  • @jonmayer
    @jonmayer Před 6 měsíci +1

    Well that explains a lot from what I was taught and why I struggle to get better.

  • @davidmackenzie5523
    @davidmackenzie5523 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Thanks. Appreciate those tips.

  • @wilson_lws1832
    @wilson_lws1832 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Thanks for sharing. I’ve tried all these 3 errors and took me few months to realized the correct way to release the ball, not hook the ball. I reckon it really helps bowlers to build a correct image of low-down and avoid injuries. Really appreciate your tips and effort in this video.

    • @janproshopchannel
      @janproshopchannel  Před 7 měsíci

      Interesting. Who was coaching you on these to fix them?

    • @wilson_lws1832
      @wilson_lws1832 Před 7 měsíci

      @@janproshopchannelOh I just learnt it myself and watched video on yt. Xd

  • @Dukeofearl11
    @Dukeofearl11 Před 7 měsíci +3

    This is a top notch bowling channel. I hope your subs continue to grow

  • @Loucid.
    @Loucid. Před 7 měsíci +1

    Your videos are so helpful, thank you so much!!

  • @jaybillups2063
    @jaybillups2063 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Very well explained - I had to watch it few times and pause throughout to get it, and that’s okay. Your style is little different, but you’re a good teacher. Don’t worry about the negative comments, but there are some good critiques that will help you improve. again your style is very different from most every other bowling channel, don’t change the core way you do things. 👍🏾

  • @dweb6916
    @dweb6916 Před 7 měsíci +1

    As usual, great vid and informative!

  • @Aviation_811
    @Aviation_811 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Thanks! I understand how to hook correctly now

  • @shanenorthrop1969
    @shanenorthrop1969 Před 5 měsíci +1

    Great video

  • @diniey_afie
    @diniey_afie Před 7 měsíci +1

    wow this is very helpful. you got a new subscriber

  • @randomlyweird3448
    @randomlyweird3448 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Could you possibly do a video going over the misconceptions of two finger bowling I feel many people will benefit from that as well as from this one and teach more people since more and more are going to two fingered bowling.

  • @williamhaynes2414
    @williamhaynes2414 Před 6 měsíci +5

    Illustrating the ball motions would be helpful. Had a difficult time following this.

    • @golfnutt1969
      @golfnutt1969 Před 5 měsíci

      I was following along fine, seeing all the things I've tried that don't work, but i don't feel like i know what to do now, just what not to do.

  • @Journeyto300
    @Journeyto300 Před 5 měsíci +1

    would love a slow motion of this release.

  • @nathanielfuentes5294
    @nathanielfuentes5294 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Great concepts. Mainly staying down and the yo-yo. But your release requires a LOT of muscle in order to snap out of the ball and create rotation.
    It might be worth getting even lower and creating leverage from your shoulder instead of your elbow. Elbow bending creates the possibility for the ball to shift to the left or right away from your intended trajectory. When you push from your shoulder, the only way for the ball to miss the intended trajectory is if you actively twist your wrist.

    • @randyhaney5567
      @randyhaney5567 Před 4 měsíci

      I beg to differ, I have been trying to incorporate this yo-yo effect into my release with no success because I was trying to do it from a cupped wrist and that was taxing for me...now instead of starting my approach and into my backswing with a cupped wrist now I can totally relax and cup and yo-yo release all in one motion and that is so much less taxing on my arm than what I was doing...now I can concentrate on developing the technique and not have to worry about cramping up and losing strength in my arm...BIG difference.

  • @mr.tuckers2848
    @mr.tuckers2848 Před 7 měsíci +2

    Thank you for another great tip. I finally fixed my release because of your valuable information.
    The next problem I have is planting my left foot just before the foul line and trying to get down lower on the release. When I recorded myself my body was too upright and the release is to my side and too high from the ground. Maybe it was knee level. I also experience some pain in my left heel because I think I am planting my foot too hard instead of sliding foot to the foul line. I am also not tilting my body sideways, pulling ball behind me and then allowing hand to drop lower. Do you have a demonstration to help improve this issue I have? Thanks!!!

  • @josephcontegiacomo1964
    @josephcontegiacomo1964 Před 2 měsíci +1

    You can slow down video in settings. Much easier to watch.

  • @CasualGamerPlays
    @CasualGamerPlays Před 3 měsíci +1

    I currently bowl with two fingers but, want to learn how to use a thumb but every video i've watched, doesn't seem to make any sense. I guess i have to get on the lanes and just try out some of these techniques, if it's possible. Thanks anyways for the video

  • @TommyToon23
    @TommyToon23 Před 4 měsíci +1

    Great video! I’ve been bowling one handed for 14 years now and I recently changed to two handed since I kept getting pain in my thumb and got what it’s known as bowlers thumb cuz I felt like I kept squeezing the ball on the back swing, does that mean my thumb hole was too big? And I wish I can continue bowling one handed but I just don’t have the proper technique down 🤦‍♂️

  • @RitchieLeong
    @RitchieLeong Před 7 měsíci +1

    Thanks for the video! Not disputing the technique explained here, but would like to understand why is "cupping" a misconception when majority of the one-handed pros, like EJ Tackett, Kris Prather, Sean Rash, Kyle Sherman, Darren Tang, etc cup their wrist from start of the approach, to the top of the backswing and to the bottom of the release, instead of the "quick flip" technique explained here.

    • @janproshopchannel
      @janproshopchannel  Před 6 měsíci +2

      Thanks for your comment.
      “Cupping” is an illusion. Most Pro Bowlers are fully relaxed in swing and wrist, such that fingers go bottom by inertia.
      Imagine none of these bowlers muscle their wrist at release: All of their fingers are in the bottom at release, resulting in an Effect of relax wrist (appeared to be cupping) that mislead viewers to believe cupping is the Cause of high rev (appeared to require strong wrist).
      Will explain more on the coming videos, cheers! :)

    • @janproshopchannel
      @janproshopchannel  Před 6 měsíci

      @@markbailey6895 What I meant was “thumb out first” is a natural sign of good fingers position, instead of a physical practice your thumb would work on.

  • @geraldt705
    @geraldt705 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Great video. I am a senior bowler. Is it possible to release the ball correctly with a wrist device? Do you give personal lessons?

    • @janproshopchannel
      @janproshopchannel  Před 7 měsíci

      No matter which age and gender, one could achieve high rev release with or without wrist device (no device is more recommended).

  • @Smally2323
    @Smally2323 Před 16 dny

    What’s the best way to learn how to get fingers lower (below the equator) tried just can’t do it

  • @teebull9552
    @teebull9552 Před 7 měsíci +1

    Another Great explanation.
    Do you use this type of release on all angles of play?
    Thank you!!
    🙏

    • @janproshopchannel
      @janproshopchannel  Před 7 měsíci

      No I don’t!

    • @teebull9552
      @teebull9552 Před 7 měsíci

      @@janproshopchannel
      On What conditions would you use this type of release?
      And what other types of releases do you use?

    • @janproshopchannel
      @janproshopchannel  Před 7 měsíci

      @@teebull9552 most of the releases in this video are showing bad examples

    • @teebull9552
      @teebull9552 Před 7 měsíci

      @@janproshopchannel
      Why use bad examples? That's how bad habits are formed.
      What are the good ones?
      🙏🙏🙏

  • @MonarchGuy974
    @MonarchGuy974 Před 4 měsíci +1

    I have a question. If you don't cup your wrists on the down swing do you have to compensate by bending your elbow? How do we keep fingers in a lower position if we don't cup at the down swing? Without one of those, how can you do a yo-yo release from a completely straight arm with uncupped wrist and straight elbow?

    • @lazylion1421
      @lazylion1421 Před 4 měsíci +2

      He cups his wrist shortly before the release. This way takes less muscle then keeping your wrist cupped all throughout the swing and it will make the JoJo snap more effective.
      Not that I can do it, I use the traditional release.

    • @MonarchGuy974
      @MonarchGuy974 Před 4 měsíci

      @@lazylion1421Thanks!

    • @janproshopchannel
      @janproshopchannel  Před 3 měsíci

      Don’t do it in the swing. Separate this motion with swing when practice.

  • @TraumaER
    @TraumaER Před 7 měsíci +1

    Good video. However, of the 3 misconceptions, having a strong wrist definitely changes things for the better. A good way to imagine it is to get an 8 lbs ball drilled for practice with your same drilling layout as your 15-16lb ball. Your wrist is now suddenly 'strong' relative to the ball weight. As a result, you will be able to cup correctly, release like a yo-yo, and produce far more revs and side rotation than you would on your regular ball. I always recommend people to get a rope, pipe, and a couple of weighted plates and do roll ups and roll downs 1-2x a week to strengthen wrist and forearms. Too many casual league bowlers don't release the ball correctly because their wrist breaks from being weak overall.

    • @janproshopchannel
      @janproshopchannel  Před 7 měsíci +1

      Thanks for your comment!
      Using 8 lbs balls doesn’t mean to make our wrist feel stronger, it is just the fact that house ball does not offer a fit span, such that we would need to squeeze the ball. This is why lighter is better.
      As for the low-down effect, weight does not matter as we are supposed to flip with its momentum. We may increase tightness of thumb hole with ball weight, in order to feel the same tho.

  • @JSBowling2011
    @JSBowling2011 Před 7 měsíci +1

    What you should do is try to show that good release again, but without bending your elbow, because many bowlers cannot, and do not bend their elbows, that’s just a fact. Then show how to get revs on the ball with your release.

  • @KevinPatz-pn2gs
    @KevinPatz-pn2gs Před 6 měsíci +1

    My tendons and wrist hurt just watching these videos. Really confused even more now. Yet all these videos are made for ideal lane conditions, and I always bowl on dry house lanes. Its sucks that people are told to bowl one way, then it takes 20 years to figure out that it was all wrong. Even though pros have been doing it with great results for those 20 years?

  • @garykitagawa8092
    @garykitagawa8092 Před 7 měsíci +3

    Good info. But, your words disappear from the screen before I'm able to read it fully. Can you fix that? Thanks

    • @jamesm8360
      @jamesm8360 Před 7 měsíci

      To read close caption go to settings 8n you tube video and slow speed down to 50%......no problem following allong then.

  • @stevenpalm9484
    @stevenpalm9484 Před 3 měsíci +1

    I wish you would talk instead of using small text. But great content.

  • @CasualGamerPlays
    @CasualGamerPlays Před 7 měsíci +2

    I'm moving to a thumb, coming from just throwing with two fingers and it's one of the most confusing processes or concepts. Throwing with two fingers was much easier for me to understand and control. I want to be better and have even more control so i figured moving over to a thumb would help. I've watched this video multiple times, it's still hard for me to understand how to release the ball with the thumb. Do you have any other videos that would help? If not it's all good, i'll just have to go on the lanes and figure it out myself

    • @lazylion1421
      @lazylion1421 Před 4 měsíci +1

      Like he said at the beginning of the video, you don't really have to release the thumb. If your release is good, the thumb will come out first all by itself.

    • @CasualGamerPlays
      @CasualGamerPlays Před 3 měsíci

      @@lazylion1421I guess i'm just stupid when it comes to the concept of using the thumb and two fingers. I've practiced this before and it just doesn't come to me and doesn't come off of my hand right. Thanks for your response though

    • @lazylion1421
      @lazylion1421 Před 3 měsíci

      @@CasualGamerPlays Maybe you could try the following exercise. Hold the ball next to you like you would hold it at the release and then let the ball roll off your hand. You will notice that the thumb will come out 1st. Then try to do the same with a little swing of the arm.
      That should give you the right feel.
      Then just build on that with a one step approach etc...
      Edit: also make sure your thumb is not hooked (like a claw) but straight while holding the ball. That way you're not holding the ball with the top of the thumb.

  • @MultitaskingGuy
    @MultitaskingGuy Před 7 měsíci +4

    This needs to be better explained because I didn’t understand what you meant by a lot of stuff

  • @DoctorSargeMD
    @DoctorSargeMD Před 6 měsíci +1

    I can't do this to save my life. Been trying for several hours with my Zen Global and my ball just won't hook even when it looks like it has good rpms.

    • @janproshopchannel
      @janproshopchannel  Před 6 měsíci

      Maybe your ball speed is high?

    • @DoctorSargeMD
      @DoctorSargeMD Před 6 měsíci

      @@janproshopchannel it was tough to say. Some of the time it definitely was the ball speed, but the speedometer on the lanes we were put on weren't working. When I slowed it down I definitely noticed more movement, but it's still not as much hook as Im trying to get.
      It's extemely difficult to get the wrist flick at the right moment combined with the elbow charging later rather than earlier. I'll be practicing again next week so hopefully I can get some consistency.

  • @jeffwatzig2213
    @jeffwatzig2213 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Dam, wish your captions were readable. Little too small for me. 🤓

  • @mtrithart
    @mtrithart Před 6 měsíci +1

    Great video however, it all starts with a ball properly drilled.

  • @petesmith111
    @petesmith111 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I’m not sure what you mean by “ flipping a belt”

    • @janproshopchannel
      @janproshopchannel  Před 3 měsíci

      Swing the belt and at one moment, you block the middle of belt, what will happen? 😉

    • @petesmith111
      @petesmith111 Před 3 měsíci +1

      Ok Thanks…Like a whipping action then

  • @therealvongogh
    @therealvongogh Před 7 měsíci +1

    EJ Tacket?!

  • @johnpowe2931
    @johnpowe2931 Před 7 dny

    Type goes away to fast for me to grasp information.

  • @2newphonejohnson724
    @2newphonejohnson724 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I’m trying to learn but you take the words off the screen before I can read them . Don’t get it !

  • @devilfish1165
    @devilfish1165 Před 6 měsíci

    One of the most confusing instructional videos I've ever seen.

    • @janproshopchannel
      @janproshopchannel  Před 6 měsíci

      Three separate videos are following after this introduction video. Stay tuned!

  • @terrysaxton3011
    @terrysaxton3011 Před 2 měsíci +2

    Your type goes to fast for me to watch and read missing alot without going back and watching many time. Not useful to me

  • @MichaelRei99
    @MichaelRei99 Před 5 měsíci

    The lack of proper illustration makes this video basically useless.

  • @Ftybr57
    @Ftybr57 Před 5 dny

    Oh my God I got 12 seconds into this ridiculous video and the squeaking music no way horrible video

  • @lumberlikwidator8863
    @lumberlikwidator8863 Před 4 měsíci

    Badly written. Incomprehensible. How about complete sentences so we know what you’re trying to say?

  • @Ftybr57
    @Ftybr57 Před 5 dny

    How unprofessional to have that terrible music to try to do this video very unprofessional

  • @AMFthereturn
    @AMFthereturn Před 7 měsíci +1

    Yikes. A lot of misconceptions proven in this misconception video. Like your usual comtent but this one gets a thumbs down. Work harder.

    • @janproshopchannel
      @janproshopchannel  Před 7 měsíci +1

      I believe some ideas can hardly be accepted by traditional approaches bowler, especially high rev doesn’t come from lifting finger grips, yet it is quite common here in Japan.

    • @AMFthereturn
      @AMFthereturn Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@janproshopchannel the ironic part is the lift is the one fact that you got right technically. But the other two which you demonstrated later in the video when you threw your normal shots, are not misconceptions but facts and keys to having a smoother release and a producing higher rev rate.

    • @janproshopchannel
      @janproshopchannel  Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@AMFthereturn Will try to make a video specifically on those two because thumb out first is logically the effect, not the cause. I have seen lots of bowler trying to make thumb hole larger and larger for quick exit, or even do strange things to pull thumb because they wrongly believe it is the cause of high rev.
      For cupping wrist, some previous videos have mentioned about how quick flipping works the same as cupping with muscles. It is particularly important for those with weak wrist like myself.

    • @AMFthereturn
      @AMFthereturn Před 7 měsíci +1

      @@janproshopchannel we are talking about technique here so please try to stay on topic. The thumb coming out first is vital to releas the energy through the fingers. I will grant you the thumb itself doesnt cause the exit. The thumb as a whole is simply there for a ride. The wrist pitching forward is what ejects the thumb out first. Secondly the more the wrist is cupped “in the deadzone” the more range of motion you have at release when you’re wrist goes back. This is the foundation for the yo yo style release in today’s contemporary game. The more your wrist is cupped “ in the deadzon” the lower position your fingers will end up ultimately allowing you to impart more energy on the ball at the point of release. These are again things you do in this very video hense my critique.

    • @KevinPatz-pn2gs
      @KevinPatz-pn2gs Před 6 měsíci

      @AMFthereturn how can having a cupped wrist inhibit a relaxed release? I can't get my fingers under the ball because the ball is so heavy my wrist bends back and I drop the ball early. Is this just poor timing? I believe I push away, fingers under the ball, but past the downswing, my wrist bends back wards, and I force the release. So I think my feet are getting to the release point, before my swing. If that makes sense? Don't mean to pry free information, but it's appreciated!