Red Pill, Bad Boys & Evolutionary Psychology - Dr Diana Fleischman

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  • đŸ’„Join us on our Journey to 1 Million SubscribersđŸ’„ Evolutionary psychologist, Dr Diana Fleischman (@sentientist) discusses disgust, men and women, sex differences, the gender pay gap, effective altruism, veganism, the psychology of humour, libertarianism, why socialism fails and the death of nuance with the guys at TRIGGERnometry.
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  • @triggerpod
    @triggerpod  Pƙed 6 lety +155

    Did you enjoy our interview with Dr Fleischman? What else should we discuss with her next time?

    • @stopthephilosophicalzombie9017
      @stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Pƙed 6 lety +18

      This is awesome. Dr. Fleischman is ferociously intelligent.

    • @conormccammon1587
      @conormccammon1587 Pƙed 6 lety +4

      Since there are a lot of problems in human life that stem from weird evolutionary psychology, next time ask her about gene editing as a tool for changing human nature in a more positive direction.

    • @stopthephilosophicalzombie9017
      @stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Pƙed 6 lety +9

      +Conor McCammon Who gets to decide what needs to be changed? What if the intersectional feminist activists wield the knife?

    • @theawecabinet
      @theawecabinet Pƙed 6 lety +3

      The majority of death and suffering is perpetrated by other animals on other animals. Also if humans stopped eating meat there would be no chickens or cows or pigs. They cannot survive in the wild. And even if they could, they would get eaten by predators.
      And men are driven to success, high earnings and status because WOMEN DEMEND THIS OF MEN. Women always look for men of equal or higher status and wealth (hypergamy). Very few women are prepared to support a man financially. Men have to be high earners for women to consider them as mates.

    • @stopthephilosophicalzombie9017
      @stopthephilosophicalzombie9017 Pƙed 6 lety +2

      +theawecabinet Yeah that's one area I have little agreement with her. Veganism is a fool's errand. Reducing *unnecessary* suffering is an admirable goal, but existence itself is suffering, and like you said, raw nature is red in tooth and claw. Trying to stop that is ridiculous, up to and including our desire to eat meat.

  • @Bommelmensch
    @Bommelmensch Pƙed 6 lety +59

    14:45
    Their look after she said:"Romance novels are the best selling books on the planet".
    Priceless!

  • @npcla1
    @npcla1 Pƙed 2 lety +14

    How good is it when you listen to someone who actually knows what they're talking about and can articulate it this well. I could listen all day. Diana is awesome.

  • @danpope3812
    @danpope3812 Pƙed 6 lety +84

    It's really cool to see adults giggle like little school kids and still be able to have a deep convocation. Fantastic talk.

    • @gwho
      @gwho Pƙed 2 lety

      yes!

  • @hanskloss7726
    @hanskloss7726 Pƙed 5 lety +34

    I have impression that Jordan Peterson was forced or felt forced to take action and he was successful benefitting from the aggression against him. You coukd see that in backlash Cathie Newman got and traction he hot afterwards .
    Bret Weinstein was certainly forced to go public with his ideas or go down in silence.
    Not sure about others but I surely appreciate the result.
    This does not apply to lots of other people who bent over.
    Some get lucky?

    • @davidanderson9664
      @davidanderson9664 Pƙed 5 lety +3

      Yes. Both are fairly aggressive in defending their positions and both come from pretty solid arguments (though Jordan's religious and Jungian garbage gets on my nerves.) Bret rulz. As you note, both didn't start out wanting or expecting fame.

    • @Captain_MonsterFart
      @Captain_MonsterFart Pƙed 4 lety +4

      Peterson didn't start out wanting fame, but when it came he clearly saw how much money there is to be made while getting his message out. He made hay while the sun shined. At a huge personal cost, I should think.

  • @stevenweber144
    @stevenweber144 Pƙed 6 lety +18

    Your guest was great. Funny and intelligent, I could listen to her all day.

  • @idkwhattodo6758
    @idkwhattodo6758 Pƙed 6 lety +104

    Loved the talk. She's really funny and seriously intelligent at the same time

    • @captainmaim
      @captainmaim Pƙed 5 lety +12

      and cute!

    • @zitools
      @zitools Pƙed rokem

      and a cassandra about social credit scores.

  • @name-vi6fs
    @name-vi6fs Pƙed 3 lety +13

    "Obviously everyone knows this, from being alive." đŸ€Ł

  • @jontycolvin3777
    @jontycolvin3777 Pƙed 4 lety +9

    Excellent guys, in UK on lockdown n your back catalogue (amongst other things) is helping to save my ‘sanity’. By the by, am female, centre left n vegan n laughed out loud whilst watching, so, there is hope for all. Keep up the good work! x

  • @gg_rider
    @gg_rider Pƙed 5 lety +12

    Of the many interesting points, I noticed after 36:00 Diana mentioned colonizing the galaxy. In other words, sending out groups of humans as a new colony on a planet that could support human life.
    I saw a "space travel intersectional feminism" panel whose members, one credentialed woman in particular, took time to *reject* the argument about *colonizing space* .. based on negative connotations about White Western Colonization of non-white continents (a relatively brief period of human existence) .. and as if there were no Chinese and Zulu and Arab-Muslim and Mongols and so many other colonizers and empires.
    So the space program should never "colonize space". We should do cool things like that but use different emotionally and culturally sensitive language to describe these plans.
    That to me is the difference between someone who cares about group justice within human society and across human societies, contrasted with the sarcastic term "Social Justice Warrior" which describes the same passions and compassion but raised to a level of obsession and to a great degree of irrational and even dishonest assertions.

  • @tasicka1000
    @tasicka1000 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    A really, really excellent interview! I enjoyed every minute of it. Dr. Diana Fleischman is so knowledgeable and well-spoken.

  • @MavenPolitic
    @MavenPolitic Pƙed 6 lety +12

    Halfway through this, much better than expected. Keep up the great work guys!

  • @jennamarie2481
    @jennamarie2481 Pƙed 3 lety +30

    I freaking LOVE hearing women like her talk. I struggle to find women that I genuinely look up to or would take advice from. I'd take advice from her. I hope to see women with minds like hers having podcasts. Any recommendations welcome!!

    • @coltont3613
      @coltont3613 Pƙed 3 lety +6

      Heather Heying comes to mind if you're looking for evolutionary thinkers who are in the public space. Lots of clever women around, depends on what you're looking for

    • @ramyabhat4282
      @ramyabhat4282 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Couldn’t agree more.. she is so smart and fun to listen to.

  • @PhilBaird1
    @PhilBaird1 Pƙed 2 lety +1

    You guys are brilliant with your mix of seriousness and humour (Francis cracks me up) while your guest is fascinating. Great show.

  • @alongfortheride84
    @alongfortheride84 Pƙed 5 lety +7

    HOLY FUCK I want to date this woman. I mean, jesus christ! She KNOWS what shit is actually like.
    And also, HOLY FUCK this video destroys the awful mainstream, fairly "feminist", bullshit, psudo-psychological narrative about human interactions and culture in general.
    Thankyou Diana, and thankyou evolutionary psychology for actually providing useful information about how men and women and race & race can get along better.

  • @davyprendergast82
    @davyprendergast82 Pƙed 5 lety +3

    instant subscribe after hearing your opening line about being bored of people arguing on the internet about stuff they know nothing about (and I was one of those guys)

  • @58frascatti
    @58frascatti Pƙed 6 lety +70

    Really interesting interview. Could not tell if Dr. Fleischman was suggesting that Dr. Peterson’s prime motivation is to gain fame (or notoriety perhaps). It was a rather ambiguous remark, so I am inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt. A discussion between her, Peterson, Heather Heying, Eric and Bret Weinstein, Camille Paglia (or any combination of those) would be dynamite! It would be interesting to see how all those assertive, knowledgeable people would interact.

    • @joech1065
      @joech1065 Pƙed 5 lety +12

      She didn't say anything about his motivation. She said that the way he talks enables him to be popular. This is a very different remark. For example, as a logical analog of this (not talking about Peterson), a missionary's goal might not be to fool people, but being a successful missionary presumes fooling people.
      I totally agree with her. The same thing that makes Peterson so effective at gathering audience and mobilizing opinion is the same thing that makes him a terrible intellectual: he does charismatic demagoguery rather than nuanced science; in fact - he almost never cites any studies and likes to make unfalsifable statements, even in his courses.

    •  Pƙed 5 lety +1

      Right, so well continue let jews do their fake science propaganda (save for Peterson who may be different) and then when everybody we'll realise the crap mistake this propaganda is and look at who's responsible who do you think people are going to blame, rightfully?

    • @alistairkinnear8737
      @alistairkinnear8737 Pƙed 5 lety +1

      Peterson's motivation was pureIY survivaI...at first.

    • @seanmoran6510
      @seanmoran6510 Pƙed 5 lety +4

      Sharon Hawkins Would say it was the Sjw mob that pushed Jordan Peterson into the limelight.
      Otherwise he’d still be a relatively obscure clinician going about his business
      He deals in Archetypical Personality Traits from a Jungian perspective where as this interviewer is on a completely different branch of Psychology
      I find both fields very interesting
      Ps he has talked with Camille, Bret and his brother not sure about Heather , all together would be interesting to listen too
      Ps who was cringeworthy
      Cathy or Jordan ?
      Would be interesting to know
      Who decides what’s sentient?
      Vegan cheese is disgusting
      Eat less across the board we eat and produce far to much food in the Western world

    • @evanroberts2771
      @evanroberts2771 Pƙed 5 lety +5

      She's jealous that she can't make the same impact that he has, especially since she's 'chosen'.

  • @robertmarshall2502
    @robertmarshall2502 Pƙed rokem

    Fantastic articulate guest.
    Very interesting to hear her speak about how she thinks she gets more leeway to speak than some other people. It was very refreshing to have someone speak candidly and so openly with so much humour without fear of repercussion.

  • @sinemetu83
    @sinemetu83 Pƙed 5 lety +5

    Thank you for this wonderful talk!

  • @misterhuman
    @misterhuman Pƙed 6 lety +24

    Truly dazzling wit and insights. And an expert in human behavior admitting to the existence of female shit-tests?! And she’s an obviously egalitarian woman?! My world just thrillingly tilted a bit on its axis. Thank you, thank you, Dr. Fleischman. And thank you gentlemen for introducing me. Subscribed to all.

  • @Captain_MonsterFart
    @Captain_MonsterFart Pƙed 5 lety +14

    Chasing the 'bad boy" is an example of a female version of risk taking, in my opinion.

    • @dcodework2421
      @dcodework2421 Pƙed 5 lety +2

      Never thought of it that way, very interesting!.

    • @stephenparry6811
      @stephenparry6811 Pƙed 5 lety +2

      chasing the serial killer would be, but chasing the bad boy is a defense/protection mechanism, i can see where you are coming from but the question is where is the actual "risk"

    • @dat581
      @dat581 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      @@stephenparry6811 The risk is in how the bad boy behaves after she catches him. The woman will want to civilise him and get her claws into him. When this does not work and he cheats on her or just leaves her she is left on her own with the possibility of being pregnant to him.

    • @stephenparry6811
      @stephenparry6811 Pƙed 4 lety +3

      @@dat581 but the "desire" to tether a bad boy is s defense mechanism whereby the female controls "might" against the other external forces that threaten her

    • @dat581
      @dat581 Pƙed 4 lety

      Stephen Parry Intestingly both modern life and personal experience tells them its a bad idea but they do it anyway!

  • @OZZIESPOCK
    @OZZIESPOCK Pƙed 4 lety +2

    Dr Fleischman is captivating. Fascinating, and her comments make so much sense. I suspect the protestant/catholic thing is due to the Tudors. My dad (from Birmingham) dealt with folks in the Glasgow office, and was bemused by the comments about one of the other guys being catholic (as though this was something to beware of).

  • @jamesbirch5226
    @jamesbirch5226 Pƙed 6 lety +5

    Like your format guys

  • @MaxPowers2.0
    @MaxPowers2.0 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Wow the point she makes at 14:19 really resonates and connects a lot of dots.

  • @etc6615
    @etc6615 Pƙed 5 lety +34

    I disagree with her when she suggested that Jordan Peterson became famous because he intentionally didn’t talk in a more nuanced way for the purpose of being famous. ( i maybe wrong but this is what i heard in what she said.)
    The opposite is often the case. When you don’t talk in a nuanced way, you will be more misunderstood and thus possibly disregarded, invalidated or objected to.
    Jordan Peterson have said a lot of things that he could have said in a better way that riled others to vehemently object to him. As she suggested.. Certainly this could as a result arguably have given him notoriety that made him relatively ‘famous’.
    But my sense is by talking intentionally in a less nuanced way just for the purpose of being misunderstood n thus famous, he would be famous or infamous in this case, maybe only with 15 minutes of fame. Then people will move on to other personalities.
    Because he expertly articulated many complex topics which resonated with a lot of people is what made him famous in spite of the fewer times he wasn’t as nuanced as he was in many many many other circumstances.
    ✌

    • @risdon34
      @risdon34 Pƙed 5 lety +1

      Agreed. I've always felt Peterson boiled a topic down to a sound bite to demonstrate he had successfully wrangled the complexity. And you're right, that tends to galvanise!

    • @marcoalessandro2034
      @marcoalessandro2034 Pƙed 5 lety +2

      No. He has a particular personality trait combination that means...he frankly doesn't give a flying hoot what anyone thinks of him. And his compassion is so high that he can cry while public speaking ( he doesn't care what you think...i.e. a complete refusal to be swayed by any stigma you throw at him )

    • @squatch545
      @squatch545 Pƙed 5 lety +3

      WTF? Lobster Boy is the epitome of lack of nuance. And he's already admitted he has "found a way to moneitize SJWs". So yes, he IS using lack of nuance for personal advancement, especially when he makes $60,000 month on Patreon.

    • @letsgosurfing1786
      @letsgosurfing1786 Pƙed 5 lety +1

      I don't think she really cares. Just put in the position to respond.

    • @orbojunglist
      @orbojunglist Pƙed 4 lety +1

      @@squatch545 Humorously pointing out the streisand effect is now admission of life's work being bullshit, all a 4d chess-like ploy to monetise stupid people doing stupid things to stop stupid people getting into groups and talking about what we can do about being so stupid.

  • @justanotherfella4585
    @justanotherfella4585 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Maybe this says more about me than I’m intending but this episode did the BBC thing (you know, entertain, inform, educate ((is it?)) for me. I’m usually here for the political stuff so this guest was a bit of a surprise. Best episode yet.

  • @adamburke1088
    @adamburke1088 Pƙed 5 lety +10

    Another great interview. I'm starting to recommend you guys!

  • @Ronaldus81
    @Ronaldus81 Pƙed 6 lety +4

    Never heard of her, but really enjoyed the conversation! The remark that Peterson, Weinstein, Harris etc. do much better with the pushback than without was especially enlightening.

  • @christopherfisher5155
    @christopherfisher5155 Pƙed 5 lety +7

    The underlying philosophy of the "Redpill" is simply one of uncomfortable but liberating truth vs comfortable ignorance but subjugation. All of the variations are subjective though.

    • @maxwest6595
      @maxwest6595 Pƙed 5 lety

      Yes ive never assumed it was merely about men's rights, but the whole neo-marxist project of undermining science, capitalism and western enlightenment values.

  • @seansteel328
    @seansteel328 Pƙed 2 lety +6

    FF's haircut hasn't aged well

  • @toddknott135
    @toddknott135 Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Many interesting points covered here. Easily the most interesting was the issue of a man being able to openly discuss the same subjects that she covers; she was slow to respond, but did finally admit that the answer is no.

  • @Jasperyeahhh
    @Jasperyeahhh Pƙed 6 lety +4

    This was great, lads. Also, Diana is excellent!

  • @oceanaoushn8803
    @oceanaoushn8803 Pƙed rokem +1

    51:03
    Frances:
    "I just swim to and fro. I don't know what I am any more "
    😅

  • @antonchigurh4829
    @antonchigurh4829 Pƙed 4 lety +2

    What an attractive,and intelligent Women,,enjoyed much!!!

  • @mikepinkerton5496
    @mikepinkerton5496 Pƙed 2 měsĂ­ci

    I happened upon this video researching evolutionary psychology. What caught my attention was the introductory remark about YouTubbers arguing about things they know nothing about. That is spot on. The amount of sheer ignorance on display is stunning. This channel appears to be an exception. Thank you.

  • @cavewebster5881
    @cavewebster5881 Pƙed 6 lety +1

    Great stuff, dudes - although I would be really interested to hear her full thoughts on a full viewing of the Peterson/Newman interview :)

  • @hughkelly9073
    @hughkelly9073 Pƙed rokem

    She’s so attractive and so smart. She’s so good at listening and waiting to say what she intends to say.

  • @isnow8278
    @isnow8278 Pƙed 4 lety +4

    I would like to see this woman and Jared Taylor have a long conversation

    • @mrawesome2742
      @mrawesome2742 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      BAN MEđŸŽâ€â˜ ïž everybody is scared to debate Jared Taylor because they know his logic is impeccable.

  • @asperganoid
    @asperganoid Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Great!
    Robert Wright interview brought me here

  • @austinm419
    @austinm419 Pƙed 6 lety +14

    This was fantastic. Diana is a great wealth of knowledge and interesting conversation.

  • @grenvillephillips6998
    @grenvillephillips6998 Pƙed 4 lety +5

    Becoming a vegan seems like an ideal way of defining one's out-group in virtuous terms.

  • @Peteruspl
    @Peteruspl Pƙed 5 lety +15

    That was a damn fine interview.

  • @ac5923
    @ac5923 Pƙed 5 lety +3

    Good work guys

  • @vonroretz3307
    @vonroretz3307 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    Catholic’s in England were discriminated against because they were under punitive laws for over 200 years, meaning they were disadvantaged, hence they were a bad choice in terms of the “base advantageous drive” to associate with, never mind breed with, if you were Protestant. This had a long hangover after official emancipation. Even though there’ve always been high status catholic’s such as the Dukes of Norfolk, they were a minority who could afford the “recusancy” fines.

  • @cbarclay99
    @cbarclay99 Pƙed 6 lety +2

    Really interesting speaker. Good questions, guys.

  • @skltr5177
    @skltr5177 Pƙed 5 lety +13

    you could reduce a whole lot of suffering by stopping halal killing practicies

    • @CosmicClaire99
      @CosmicClaire99 Pƙed 5 lety +9

      Exactly what I say to a vegan I know who gives talks on veganism and goes on vegan protests.
      I think the trouble is that calling out halal practices also implicitly calls out an, er... certain demographic, towards whom vegans and feminists are prone to offer submission and obeisance.

    • @thedarkmaster4747
      @thedarkmaster4747 Pƙed 4 lety +3

      You could reduce more, by removing the intire abrahamic moral zeitgeist from the first world. Not just the truck rushers.

    • @michelefox9539
      @michelefox9539 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      @@CosmicClaire99 Or you could stop using other animals and accord them moral worth.

    • @CosmicClaire99
      @CosmicClaire99 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      @@michelefox9539 We have culled animals for hundreds of thousands of years and become adapted to the food they provide. We are a predator that keeps their herd strong. They need us to do this.
      If we hadn't eaten meat then we would have remained apes in the trees.
      Animals do not have the same moral worth as humans.

    • @philominakilgour2607
      @philominakilgour2607 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      Cosmic Claire A vegan is against the killing of an animal full stop. Whether or not there is stunning is irrelevant if you believe animals should not be killed for unnecessary purposes. Otherwise, people would water down the vegan message to one of welfare which is unhelpful for the vegan cause.

  • @AlbertCloete
    @AlbertCloete Pƙed 6 lety +28

    I love listening her. So interesting.

  • @willbfreed
    @willbfreed Pƙed 3 lety +2

    She's great!

  • @S3NTRY
    @S3NTRY Pƙed 4 lety

    For some reason this reminds me of a scene from The Office where David comments on the necklace.

  • @hugomaritz692
    @hugomaritz692 Pƙed 4 lety +2

    That was great!

  • @markkavanagh7377
    @markkavanagh7377 Pƙed 6 lety +5

    More please!!! great speaker, great mind.

  • @squatch545
    @squatch545 Pƙed 5 lety +4

    Did your lighting guy quit?

  • @sheep83
    @sheep83 Pƙed 2 lety

    Came for the thumbnail (not like that you filthy beast), stayed for the intellect and insight. Bravo all involved.

  • @conormccammon1587
    @conormccammon1587 Pƙed 6 lety +11

    Awesome interview. Dr Fleischman is great!
    If you wanted a really interesting guest on, consider the philosopher David Pearce. He's interested in effective altruism and evolutionary psychology, but he's a transhumanist that thinks we should genetically edit sentient life towards less suffering!

    • @singmundfreud
      @singmundfreud Pƙed 6 lety

      I second that motion! David Pearce is extremely interesting and coherent.

    • @eggmunkee
      @eggmunkee Pƙed 6 lety +3

      There's no shortage of wishful Dr. Frankensteins, ready to tinker with other people's insides on a societal scale. I wonder if there is a psychological disorder behind social engineering delusions.

    • @liarwithagun
      @liarwithagun Pƙed 6 lety +1

      Eggmunkee N Social engineering doesn't work well because of human nature. If you change human nature you could do social engineering. And eventually some nation will do that. Now the question is if we should, how we should, or how to combat that happening. Personally I see it as inevitable, so we should just figure out a way where we don't end up in a distopian nightmare.

    • @1974alancampbell
      @1974alancampbell Pƙed 4 lety

      Eugenics you mean? Not the Earlier primitive kind, like deleting the undesirable Gene's by murdering people.

  • @TimoNaaro
    @TimoNaaro Pƙed 6 lety +6

    This was really awsome eye opening interview!:O

  • @jeanetteb2347
    @jeanetteb2347 Pƙed 5 lety +2

    I enjoy it very much.

  • @cecilianorris4449
    @cecilianorris4449 Pƙed 5 lety +12

    I cant say I agree with her on everything, but I found the interview informative and I learned quite a few new things. So, all in all it was worth the watch.

  • @shinraholdings7281
    @shinraholdings7281 Pƙed 5 lety +3

    Super interesting.

  • @theawecabinet
    @theawecabinet Pƙed 6 lety +22

    How do you disable vocal fry? Is there a setting somewhere?

    • @dfleischman
      @dfleischman Pƙed 6 lety +9

      theawecabinet LOL 😂

    • @davidanderson9664
      @davidanderson9664 Pƙed 5 lety

      Indeed. I think it is more a age dependent, millennial (or just young women since the 80s) disease. She isn't TOO bad tho. D.

    • @wonbadood8243
      @wonbadood8243 Pƙed 4 lety +1

      Sooo! Unfortunately for now, We don't. Any one who talks like that is just boring.

  • @oc-wo5we
    @oc-wo5we Pƙed rokem +1

    Does anyone know which researcher she is referring to at 31:17?

    • @oc-wo5we
      @oc-wo5we Pƙed rokem

      Not exactly how she mentions it, but I found a very similar article 'Racism and the Empathy for Pain on Our Skin' it seems theyve conducted the experiment on different races, whereas I initially assumed they just used caucasians. I'm not sure if that's the one she's talking about but it's very similar, any help would be appreciated. I'll leave the citation.
      Forgiarini M, Gallucci M, Maravita A. Racism and the empathy for pain on our skin. Front Psychol. 2011 May 23;2:108. doi: 10.3389/fpsyg.2011.00108. PMID: 21687466; PMCID: PMC3108582.

  • @sephus99
    @sephus99 Pƙed 5 lety +3

    When "rejecting all of someone's ideas because of one idea you're intolerant of" came up you should have pulled it back to beginning by asking if that's related to disgust.
    I enjoy all these interviews. Thanks for doing them.

  • @brucefullwood
    @brucefullwood Pƙed 5 lety +51

    But Diana, there's a valid evolutionary reason that "stay at home dad" isn't a high status occupation and there's an evolutionary reason it never will be. The Marginal Utility of the Male is far, far lower in such an occupation than the Marginal Utility of the Male in say, the role of computer programmer or home builder. Men attend to the things needed by women that if women were to pursue, would either put them in danger or detract from their role as primary caregiver. I trust I don't need to explain to an evolutionary psychologist why women have the role as primary caregiver. Women will never select such a thing.
    There's a wee bit of your postmodern feminist poking through your mantle of scientist, Diana.

    • @jtrastan4607
      @jtrastan4607 Pƙed 5 lety

      Status is not malleable! It's in the hind brain.

    • @terraflow__bryanburdo4547
      @terraflow__bryanburdo4547 Pƙed 4 lety +2

      @@jtrastan4607 It's lobsters all the way down!

    • @Individual_Lives_Matter
      @Individual_Lives_Matter Pƙed 4 lety

      Yeah, she donned the social constructionist hat for that one.

    • @MrRichiban
      @MrRichiban Pƙed 3 lety +1

      I think you're right but I also don't think that contradicts her point. If you look back at the interview she basically says "If being a stay-at-home dad was a high-status position then more men would do it", which I think we can all agree on.

  • @strangetranceoffaith
    @strangetranceoffaith Pƙed 4 lety +1

    That's true you have had anecdotal evidence where women say they have been discriminated against and no man has ever been discriminated against in the workplace and never by a woman and when men do talk about being discriminated against everyone wants to hear about it.

  • @tootstoyou1
    @tootstoyou1 Pƙed rokem +1

    Francis looks SO MUCH BETTER in 2023

  • @nesa1126
    @nesa1126 Pƙed 5 lety +2

    Loved it

  • @keyboarddancers7751
    @keyboarddancers7751 Pƙed 2 lety

    My jaw nearly dropped out of my face when I heard the stuff about prawns!!😳đŸ„ș

  • @beardedraven7285
    @beardedraven7285 Pƙed 5 lety +2

    Did she say her study was showing men porn and then asking them to imagine disgusting sexual acts but for the women in the study she "showed" them pictures of non sexual disgusting things? How is that comparable?

  • @Dadecorban
    @Dadecorban Pƙed 5 lety +9

    Well I just found out why my brother does so good with women from broken family shit backgrounds.

  • @NaturalNeuron
    @NaturalNeuron Pƙed 5 lety +2

    Its interesting to hear a feminist evolutionary psychologist; it must be hard to reconcile social factors that dominate feminism with the biological factors associated with the evolution perspective.

    • @TheInes5
      @TheInes5 Pƙed 3 lety

      I think it’s really not. Original feminism was basically women saying don’t treat me like shit or like a second class citizen and give me equal opportunity. I don’t know how you’d have to reconcile that with biology. The fact that part of the movement spiralled into this male bashing non common sense „feminism“ in the West still doesn’t discredit the original movement.

  • @ff6173
    @ff6173 Pƙed 3 lety +2

    great guest

  • @navtektv
    @navtektv Pƙed rokem +1

    Will agree with the nuance thing on a personal level. Whenever i feel the need to comment on a video I usually take full advantage of the no character limit to make my position on a subject very clear. I don't do one liners or quipy jokes if I'm looking to talk about a serious topic. And it sure doesn't get any traction. There's a few that get more than a few likes but most people do not engage with long winded posts talking about each an every position somone has. Which is why Tiktok is so successful, I would assume. Meanwhile a flippant jokey comment I made over a year ago on a robotic prosthetic hand video is my most liked and replied comment everywhere, it still gets likes and responses every other week or so.

    • @stephenmontague6930
      @stephenmontague6930 Pƙed rokem

      What did you say about robotic prosthetic hands?

    • @navtektv
      @navtektv Pƙed rokem +1

      @@stephenmontague6930 a lady lost her arm due to a rabid racoon attack and they were giving her a prototype prosthetic arm that looked cool as hell. I said "Don't give it realistic skin, looks cooler without it." And for some reason it blew up. Meanwhile underneath it I wrote another comment talking about the tech and stuff. A little longet and meandering and it has no acknowledgement. People like short, bite sized interactions I guess.

    • @stephenmontague6930
      @stephenmontague6930 Pƙed rokem

      ​@@navtektv You gave strong advice with a reason in 9 words (almost like poetry) for the robotic arm, then waited for others to speak. Here we are, us viewers like guests, sitting around a camp fire listening to master storytellers - maybe it's simply not the time or place, for most, to start a long conversation in writing. It's true, though, that wonderful comments can go unnoticed. Good luck~

  • @marcoalessandro2034
    @marcoalessandro2034 Pƙed 5 lety

    the chicken death versus cow death is a good point and it is a buddhist argument...but, to raise a chicken costs next to nothing ( compare costs of all your pet cats and dogs , for instance...). and you deprive the poor of vital food security ( actually it is health security, because the hapless chicken is an insurance against illness or sudden child fever or weakness due to infection or what not, and you elderly grandma's life can be extended by a monthly broth...) and all the while hens give up eggs for quiche and eggnog, etc.
    The point is to reduce meat eating to once a week or so, i think

  • @cmojo68
    @cmojo68 Pƙed 2 lety +2

    Maybe her memory is not that good but Peterson never sought "fame and fortune". He came under fire for doing his job [not unlike Brett and Heather] and was attacked by activists. He spoke out in defence of himself and his career was catapulted into the public eye. His refusal to kowtow to Bill C-16 was then instrumental in creating a career he never asked for.

    • @cmojo68
      @cmojo68 Pƙed 2 lety

      Maybe it's just a case of projection. I've seen this woman appearing on more podcasts than Joe Rogan, lately. I think she may be pushing her own barrow, seeking notoriety in the wake of greatness, whilst capitalising on her self-mentioned advantages of being a female, poc.
      Maybe she isn't eating enough meat and her cognitive skills are waning. Any evolutionist worth their salt, couldn't simultaneously be a sentimentalist ...er, sentientist, could they? Seriously? All life deserves respect. Even if you can't relate to it. It's not wise, to discriminate by "othering".

  • @roochina
    @roochina Pƙed 5 lety +6

    I find her argument about the cows and chickens suffering the same and that their lives should mean the same to us quite unintelligent on many levels, to be honest.. without going into details of why, the fact that many vegetarians are happy to supplement their diets with some fish and not veals is a proof for the fallacy of her quantitative assessment.

    • @Miam_miam_la_gauffre
      @Miam_miam_la_gauffre Pƙed 3 lety

      I don't find the "not killing animals" argument overall not convincing really. It's just a part of nature, we prey on weaker animal that's just the way. You won't ask a lion to stop eating gazelle because they are cute.

    • @tifawt3736
      @tifawt3736 Pƙed 3 lety +1

      @@Miam_miam_la_gauffre And you’re not a lion. Both of you aren’t remotely intelligent 😂

    • @Miam_miam_la_gauffre
      @Miam_miam_la_gauffre Pƙed 3 lety

      @@tifawt3736 almost funny

  • @EkafEmanresu
    @EkafEmanresu Pƙed 6 lety +2

    40:26 Don't eat prawns!
    38:33 Don't eat chickens, eggs or fish!

  • @davidanderson9664
    @davidanderson9664 Pƙed 5 lety

    Interesting about anterior insula being suppressed (during arousal) in men but not women. I'd love to know how PRC suppression works in each gender.

  • @bobbycat8
    @bobbycat8 Pƙed 6 lety +5

    Excellent, cheers đŸ”„

  • @spawnlink
    @spawnlink Pƙed 6 lety +4

    I find trying to start with common ground, in the "we agree on the ends" sense, generally doesn't work. For many if one's means differ greatly then the motivations for the ends are suspect. libertarians deal with this all the time. Not to say it's not worth doing just that its only a small part of an overall debate strategy.

  • @mw7675
    @mw7675 Pƙed 3 lety +1

    Okay so the gender pay gap is down to choices. I don't agree for a variety of reasons but I can see why this conclusion was drawn in this scenario. But here is something no one acknowledged: Why are "more feminine" jobs/fields of interest equated with less $ to begin with? If both sexes have different roles in society then both are needed for society to function. Why is one sex's role considered less valuable in $?

  • @Angrycont
    @Angrycont Pƙed 3 lety

    32:37 looool francis is so lancashire looking lol i knew it this whole time

  • @albertomoreno9795
    @albertomoreno9795 Pƙed 4 lety +2

    Patrice O' Neal cultivated his sense of humor to compensate for his weight. RIP Patrice!

  • @noodle-bomb5354
    @noodle-bomb5354 Pƙed 6 lety +2

    great interview. The bloke with the red nikes reminds me of jason schwartzman's character in Rushmore.

  • @llengsuch3426
    @llengsuch3426 Pƙed 2 lety +3

    True story: when I was sixteen, I was walking to school. And as always, I was 20 minutes late, so all the other kids had already gone. A woman in her thirties, who I had never seen, pulled up in her car and offered me a lift. I was instantly suspicious (even girls my own age didn't come on to me, after all), so I declined the offer. I told my mates about it and they all thought I had done the right thing in refusing the lift. "You would probably have ended up getting bummed by her black boyfriend" was the general consensus. So there ya go - evolutionary survival instinct, in action!

  • @koningsbruggen
    @koningsbruggen Pƙed 6 lety +10

    very interesting

  • @marcpadilla1094
    @marcpadilla1094 Pƙed 4 lety

    I would have studied this subject. This,philosophy, poli -sci, P.R. and marketing. I would have been way out ahead of the main stream media agenda.

  • @theartofintegralbeing
    @theartofintegralbeing Pƙed 4 lety +3

    I think I am in love! Superb interview, funny, intelligent. And keep up the great podcast Francis and Konstantin, è°ąè°ąïŒ 🙏

  • @uberultrametamega946
    @uberultrametamega946 Pƙed rokem

    At about 20 minutes Kisses says that he is not a huge fan of Jordan Peterson. I am a bit surprised to hear this. I hope he elaborates on his feelings about Peterson.

  • @petermathieson5692
    @petermathieson5692 Pƙed 4 lety +1

    I was disappointed with the exchange where the interviewee said that most of the male/female wage gap came down to choices, to which Konstantin responded that he knew of cases when women claimed to have been discriminated against because they were female. Fair enough, that sometimes still happens... but what about a problem far - vastly - more pervasive, namely institutional sexism. Here in Canada, and in most of the Western world, affirmative action hiring policies give preference to any candidate who meets minimum job requirements AND qualifies on one or more of the favoured social justice categories. The inevitable result: white males are shuffled to the back of the line, being hired ONLY IF other candidates cannot be found. This doesn't happen in some isolated cases but not in others. It happens in all cases. It is a matter of policy and practice. It is systemic. This happens at the entry level and at each successive promotional level. People are judged not on the content of their character, but on the basis of belonging to a favoured group, and white males, not belonging to one of those groups, are shuffled to the back of the bus. In the US, 6 out of 10 black college graduates work in the public sector versus 2 of 10 "whites" an accident? Hardly. It's just on example, among many, of systemic racism and sexism.

  • @avengemybreath3084
    @avengemybreath3084 Pƙed rokem

    A woman like this makes me wish I were younger, better looking, and more successful.

  • @michelefox9539
    @michelefox9539 Pƙed 4 lety +3

    One of the issues I have with the 'effective altruism' movement where it relates to sentient use is that it entirely overlooks Animal Rights, their moral right not to be commodified per se. Another, is methods of selection of 'most effective' charities - either subjective or driven by consideration of profits in most instances. Often the approving body has a direct relationship with the recipient. There is no question in my mind that donations are better directed to prevention of blindness, but dogs should not be bred to be used in any scenario. (Or indeed, any other sentient being.)

  • @kipling1957
    @kipling1957 Pƙed 5 lety +1

    Bret Weinstein sent me here. Also I used to live in Portsmouth.

    • @maxwest6595
      @maxwest6595 Pƙed 5 lety +1

      Portsmouth University has improved quite a lot going by its position in The Graun's league table.

  • @AlexCMoro81
    @AlexCMoro81 Pƙed 7 měsĂ­ci

    ❀

  • @henne2k
    @henne2k Pƙed 3 lety +3

    The woman of my dreams 😊😎

  • @ManInTheBigHat
    @ManInTheBigHat Pƙed 5 lety +7

    23:45 men increase status to get sex partners. No debate about that. But she goes on to say, "Women who are higher in status... I think they're desirable." Well, isn't it really up to us men if that's the case? As far as I can tell it is generally not true. Ah, but later I find out she dates women. So, high status women are attractive to other women.

    • @ulalaFrugilega
      @ulalaFrugilega Pƙed 4 lety +4

      ManInTheBigHat also the wage gap between lesbians and straight women might very well relate to the fact that lesbians don't give a fuck about how men see them, certainly not wether or not they seem attractive to them.

  • @xhaltsalute
    @xhaltsalute Pƙed rokem

    I am an omnivore as most of humankind evolved. I don’t want to give up meat because I don’t have an issue about animal slaughter and I love animal protein. I also believe that plants don’t like to be heated to cellular explosion or die by molar grinding. Also plants have such a hard time running away. So to solve the dilemmas I maintain my omnivorous heritage.

  • @iga279
    @iga279 Pƙed 5 lety +4

    Great Interview, and a very wise and charming interviewee! Thank you guys for restoring my faith in female wisdom. Ha ha ha ha. (no kidding this time).

  • @JurijFedorov
    @JurijFedorov Pƙed 5 lety +2

    It's nice to see a leftist point of view being presented without it being radical leftist. As a centrist I would love for more videos that are not from an extreme political position.
    It's also interesting how many punches she pulls while talking about certain scientific experiments. She is constantly trying to agree with leftist point of views while introducing scientific results that go against leftist point of views. I think this makes it a video that's very easy to digest for socialists and communists too.

    •  Pƙed 5 lety

      It's not a leftist point of view but an alt-right point of view.

  • @_abracadabra
    @_abracadabra Pƙed 2 lety +1

    19:54 Oh how things change. #JToTheBToTheMotherlovingP

  • @howardkendallstoupe5820
    @howardkendallstoupe5820 Pƙed 4 lety

    ready to help

  • @jimmydurmody2490
    @jimmydurmody2490 Pƙed 5 lety +5

    This woman is awsome!!!