2023 Mercedes Benz C300 | Apex Business Car
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- čas přidán 30. 07. 2024
- We review the new Mercedes Benz C300 business sedan. The updated C Class carries over many of the best things from higher-end luxury products while not overwhelming the driver with distractions. We discuss pros and cons, then drive it like professionals. This can be cross-shopped with the Genesis G70 and G80, BMW 3 Series, Lexus ES350, Audi A6, and Acura TLX.
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Index:
00:00 Interior and Exterior
1:55 Mechanical Overview
4:18 Driving Impressions Extended Edition
10:53 Final Thoughts - Auta a dopravní prostředky
1:15 While Jack is busy talking, Mark is conducting BUSINESS🤌
hysterical!!!!!!!!!!! Best auto bros in the bizness!
I think that was Kraken
I think it's Hibiki Harmony?
Man that scared me more than it should 🤣
Why do jack sunglasses look crooked on his face
That red and black two tone looks like an early 2000s seat conversion kit for a Honda Civic…
Terrible. I cannot believe people out there actually go out and buy these cars.
@@Ryan-ds2wx Genesis g70 is way better, even ES is
Yes. Hideous.
It actually reminds me of the early SLK - they had the same color scheme, and what looks to be similar leather.
@@aprtur So this car has 3 options for the interior material: Vinyl, Leather, and Nappa Leather. This color scheme is the standard leather. Not sure what grade it would be though.
Has Patagonia approached you guys about a sponsorship deal. You could drive the c300 to close that business deal.
I also totally noticed that brand placement!
I just bought a C300 and I love it. I’ve had BMWs in the past which offer a little more sportiness but not as much luxury as the Mercedes. The interior technology takes a little time getting used to but offers so many options making it fun for the average tech type person. The ride is smooth and quiet. The engine and transmission interaction combined with the mild hybrid work seamlessly. I’ve owned my C300 for about two months and I’m getting about 26mpg in the city and over 34 on the highway. It’s a great small luxury sedan.
Nice to hear!!! I like the C class, but I’m interested in the new E.
26 in the city for a hybrid?? thats fuking horrible
Good luck with your money pit
@@alfredooliva5175it’s a mild hybrid. Not the same as a PHEV
I was able to get a certified 2016 C300 sport w/40k miles for $25k in December 2019. Original MSRP was $53k w/ options. Three years and 25k miles later I'm still happy. It's smooth, comfortable, powerful enough, and has good fuel economy. W205 still has physical controls and no fake engine noise. I found an independent European shop for more modest pricing and it has been a reliable car.
I picked up a 2015 C63 Amg-S ed1 with 6k miles 2 months ago, and can report a similar experience so far :) Gas mileage is the worst of any car I've driven though.
Bought a 2015 c300 sport w/29k miles for 18k in 2020. It’s now at 63k miles and has not had a single issue.
How is interior quality?
25k miles? That is pretty low mileage. Let's see how it performs at 80k+. My Subaru has 123,000 miles. That would be a good benchmark to test vehicle reliability. My wagon has been great. I had to replace the brakes, and my backup camera is experiencing some issues, but everything else works perfectly. I always did every oil change and recently did a CVT Transmission fluid change for added dependability. Doesn't even squeak yet!
@@colechapman6976you drive a CVT Subaru and you’re shit talking Mercedes owners? Have some self awareness, bud
The way they powered through the garage door opener flying off without missing a beat is talent that cannot be taught.
I've seen alot of car reviews, but showing us under the car makes this special and more interesting. You can tell alot of the priority of the engineering by looking under the car. Subbed.
After suffering from my IBS all night this is a wonderful surprise in the morning before the kids head off to school.
After watching this, I'm even more pleased with my TLX purchase. Excellent vid as usual from the best reviewers on the tubes.
Bro, one word. RELIABILITY!
@@layne4376 anything is better than the germans quite frankly, their depreciation shows it
@@gigi9467 Acuras depreciate as fast... And depreciation means nothing. Germans sell order of magnitudes more than the japs while also being more expensive to service overall. So, more offer and less demand from the lower class buyers. The high class earners will anyways buy new always. Thats the reason why the german depreciate more. Its not some market force punishing their reliability or anything.
And it can be easily proved. The more expensive a car is the more it depreciates. An LS600h loses $40k after its first lease. Any Ford EcoSport econobox will keep its value better than that. Does that the EcoSport more reliable than the LS? Or better built?
@@an-dr6eu you argument is that germans cars depreciate as much as japanes? Lol ok buddy sure
but this is better than the TLX in pretty much every way. The TLX might look a little better but other than that...
So in summary, Mark nails the bad ride quality (all the traditional car magazine reviews agree) but Jack insists it's really refined. I'm with Mark on this one. We gentlemen in our 40s like it soft.
As a current gentleman in his 40s, what would be the best car if I want it soft, quiet but not extremely sluggish where the transmission needs to think 4seconds before reacting?
@wrakowic Probably a 5 series hybrid. They're nice and refined, and federal gov with give you back like 7500 for buying one. The Volvo recharges are good as well, the s60 for a sedan, and any of the SUV's will do.
@@wrakowiccheck out the Ioniq 5. It’s fast, quiet and has a nice ride. My dad traded his fully loaded 2020 x5 for one and he likes the Ioniq more.
@@wrakowic
Toyota/Lexus Hybrid E-CVTs are surprisingly responsive. I know that sounds weird but they're completely different from regular CVTs (no belts) and extremely smooth. I'd suggest trying a Lexus ES300H as well as what was suggested by Aiv. Pretty much any luxury hybrid will have excellent throttle response from my experience as any transmission lag is covered by instant electric torque.
To some, that boat ride is a feature. Kids are sleeping in the backseat, and the ES, which has already been stiffen up compared to previous generations, is HELPING them not to drive spiritually and not tailgate. Also, at least compare it with the E-class which has similar backseat room and cargo room.
I don't understand MB's push to make a car that will be outdated very quickly based on the interior control layout. One of MB's biggest strengths for decades was the fact their cars aged incredibly well in terms of looks and features over the years. This "Tesla" design that so many manufacturers seen to be integrating into their cars is beyond me. My 2012 C300 (where the number actually reflects the engine displacement) is still solid as a rock with 133k on it, aged very well and has a usable interior. Looks like I'll continue driving that car for a long time.
SavageGeese has very quickly become my favourite motoring channel.
Gentlemen, another great review.
Thank you.
I understand we've had a lot of inflation the past few years, but my 2012 E350 4matic with designo-style Quartz Metallic Blue paint and Ivory interior clocked in at $67k. It's insane to me you could spec a base c-class to $60k these days.
I know what you mean…we had a fully loaded 2008 e550 and that was $66k msrp. We loved that car.
And they're only getting worse visually. Your generation of E class is one of the nicer looking modern Mercedes.
@@flurpoid I think you mean better
My wife just purchased one. She has had 4 BMW's, I had a couple Audi S4's, this is our first Mercedes. I now drive a Mazda MX-5 ND2, so I appreciate a light nimble sports car. The Mercedes isn't that. What it is is very comfortable and luxurious. It is solid and well-built and just has a quality feel. We made a point to not get the AMG suspension, and the rear steer and adjustable dampers were not available, so MSRP was low 50's with AWD and upgraded sound system. The base suspension is German taught, without play in the steering. It drives smooth and quiet, not detached or boat like. You can place it well, and see out well. Put it in "sport" mode and use the paddle shifters does not turn it into a great sports sedan. In normal mode and normal driving, road trips, and what you use a car for everyday, it is enjoyable to drive because it is so refined. Tech is pretty cool. Important controls are screen or capacitive on the wheel, but always there. And the LED lighting package is so cool, especially at night.
I sat in the rear seats of all the vehicles at a Mercedes dealer and now I know why SUVs are more popular. They are so much more roomy for passengers. More legroom, headroom and the seats are much higher above the floor, so the knee angle is much better too. Sedans look nicer though...
I bought one and love it... they did an amazing job with the car. It is basically an E350 and an S-class having a baby and they got the 2023 c300w
I love you guys more with each video.... after at least 3 years of watching every video consistently, I really love you guys. One of you need to run for President, with the other as your Vice President.
Key takeaway: "At $50,000, I like it. It blends all the good that Mercedes-Benz and you can make excuses for the things that don't work because you're not going into a mortgage...not nearly as quiet, ride refinement isn't there..."
You’ll never know how badly I needed the laugh I got from the goose video bomb. Thanks lads.
When you said “the most controversial c class” I had to pause and think as to why.. I get it, but hate that people look at it that way. I have a 2021 Volvo XC60 R design. I test drove this new C class when it came out. The C300 I drove had an MSRP several thousand lower than my Volvo. Once you spend a few minutes in the cabin, everything falls to hand (or mind) easily and is far more detailed and cohesive than my Volvo. Once on the road the adaptive suspension impressed me and the MB 9at feels like a dual clutch compared to the spongy 8at in the Volvo. I’ve driven many older Benz products and this thing is a different animal. I walked away very impressed. I love the variety of color options they offer both inside and out. It’s been a few months since my test drive but it’s still in my top 5 for my potential next car. They are definitely not the stoic, solid Mercedes of yore but they sure are sweet. Love to hear your guys take, I was thrilled to see this one pop up.
2005 Subaru Legacy GT vs 2023 Benz C300 4Matic. Will be interesting to compare 2.0 litre engines of c300, c43, c63, and imagine some desperate corporate scenario wherein Mercedes offer an extra 100 hp reflash-over-the-air for c300 customers who renew their lease. Feels like 10 years ago Camry, Accord, Taurus all offered 300 hp sedans. Love the high resolution videography of water spots and splashes.
the new legacy with the turbo is actually so good. Just nobody wants it :(
I was a real Merc fanboy but they went to toilet like no other brand in the last 8 years. Not even talking about the shitty screen-capacitative button-piano black crap-everywhere interiors. What a shame.
I bought a 2022 C300 7 weeks ago. It’s my first luxury car and my first German car. Mine is the mid trim, plus it has the AMG Line package, which is mostly appearance stuff but does have a sport suspension. The ride is a little harsh, but I’m fine with it. It’s still more plush than the ND1 Miata that was my daily driver for 4+ years.
I feel like your review was good, fair, and pretty accurate. It’s a very nice car, but it isn’t the best value. This isn’t the car I thought I’d buy, but I got a great deal on mine, and after almost 2,000 miles already, I really like it. Quiet (enough), comfortable (enough), looks good inside and out, pretty good fuel economy (averaging 30 mpg), and I love the Burmester 3D sound system!
The new C-Class isn’t going to be everyone’s cup of tea, but I’m happy with mine so far.
Had a 2019 C300 4Matic. Traded it it for my 2022 Outback, the Benz had HVAC issues the vents retained moisture and smelled all the time. After being taken to the dealership 7 times in 2 1/2 years I wanted to trade it in for n E class but the dealership didn't want to take it in for trade. So Subaru took it in and I'm much happier.
from a benz to a subaru??
Same BS stories... Why would the dealer not take it back? You didnt lease it? Couldnt find another Merc dealer? How do you go from driving a responsive and fast C300 to a fat ass Outback with their unresponsive na 4 boxers and the sluggish CVTs?
To be fair my Audi does that, and so does my brother’s RAV4 (both smell like a swamp when you turn off the A/C). I think it must have something to do with the materials they’re using for the HVAC ducting. Glad you’re happy with the Subaru.
The S60 could be included in that list for the price and options.
"The C Class is the baby Benz"
A Class be like bruhh
Whats the e class then?
@@enjoshi-godrez8775daddy class
The A class is so embarrassing, we try not to talk about it
@@user59371a45 AMG with 500 horsepower out of a 4cyl isn't bad
@@rm0234 what a45 model has 500? The amg has 380.
I've been waiting for this review! I was looking at this model recently.
If you do ultimately make the mistake of getting one of these, lease it. Don't buy it.
@@brandonwiggins540 leasing was the plan.
What are your criteria?
Here in Europe (Romania) this C300 is price-equivalent to a similarly optioned BMW 330i and *not* to the 6-cyl M340i that you keep referring to, unless you get the M340i with 0 options added, which is insane. The M340i starts at €68k while the C400 and the 330i both cost between €64k and €67k after you add all the options necessary to make you feel like you're driving something premium (like the variant you've reviewed) instead of a box of missing features with a badge on, as is the case with their base versions.
The ES 300h in Luxury trim (with Mark Levinson sound and all the other nice features) is €73k. In theory, the ES being a significantly larger car, it competes with the 5-series and the E-class. In practice... you have to be a very special kind of person to get that ES as the interior, even though it's luxuriant, is dated, the tech in general is way below what the Germans have and the engine is just a (small) stable of dead horses.
As the owner of an Audi S4, forget not about the A4. The 2.0 is a decent engine when taken care of, and you can still get an interior that isn't just a giant screen.
Agreed, I drove the 3series, previous gen C300 and the A4.. I went with the A4 for its build quality and ride refinement and performance... the 7spd S-tronic trumps the other gearboxes. In addition I flashed the ecu with a Unitronic Stage 1+ tune, wow what difference in performance. No joke 0-60 mph 4.8sec
@@genzigzag I know right! That tune is epic
Suntory Hibiki? I see your a man of culture as well, **tips cap**
@1:16 - These are the gems that keep me coming back.
Can you guys put cams in the wheel wells during road tests so we can see some of the fancy suspension setups do their magic? Bushing and spring deflections, wheel travel, etc….
Mmm. . .worth researching furter! Great review!!
I don’t even care what car the review is about anymore I see SG upload I click view
That into tune👍🏽
The G20 3 Series definitely has a noisier chassis, but is tolerable if equipped with adaptive suspension and acoustic glass. Sadly, US customers don't get the acoustic glass option for the 3. In fact, BMW only offers it on the X7 now.
i just picked up a '23 3 series and i find it quite refined on the road in terms of NVH. my wife's A7 with the acoustic glass is definitely quieter but i have no complaints with the BMW. i do have the adaptive suspension which helps too. I had an A35 before this and it was soooo loud and harsh inside.
@@myemailiscool I have a 2021 M340. It’s more quiet than my wife’s 2020 RDX. It’s also tons more quiet than the rental sedans I get from Hertz consisting of Kias, 300M’s, etc.
@@billm47645 one time i had a rental chevy malibu and strangely that was super quiet inside 😂 that was all it had though. i've done 2 3+ hour drives already in the m340i and i agree with you. To get more quiet inside, you need to go a full step up in size + price.
I'm still not convinced about having TVs in the car for the driver.
It would be okay if it was connected to a camera in the trunk, so you could keep an eye on your bullion as you drive to a business meeting.
I will never be convinced, either. Pre 2012 autos in my garage until the day I die.
@@12ealDealOfficial Its not 100% but it was a big selling point for me on the Mazda 3. The speedometer is digital but looks analogue and you can turn off all the other digital stuff so it looks normal.
@@12ealDealOfficial I'm right there with you.
@@12ealDealOfficial is that the magic number? I'm in the same boat. It's maddening to me that, going forward, I'll be expected to pay for an ever-expanding suite of features I absolutely don't want, and paying something of a premium to find good examples of vehicles that will have become vintage by the time I need to purchase them.
I love the bottle behind 🤣
lovely interior basic exterior
Finally. 🥰 We get some alone time with Mark
Nice econobox. I'm glad they kept the spirit of the w203 alive.
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Having test driven a lot of the choices in this size class, I found that the one with the best ride/handling/steering feel is actually a Porsche Macan (starting at $57.5k).
Was gonna say, they left out the Stelvio. Best looking exterior, best driving. And it's a tall wagon.
Lol “starting” is the important word there. Porsche has nothing standard really so unless you just want a bare bones 4 popper macan with no other options at all thats rly shit for the value. I would take a SQ5 over that anyday. Way more standard stuff on similar architecture.
@@yzhan225 I had an SQ5 once as a service loaner for a couple days. Pretty far away in terms of driving dynamics. But, you’re right. You need to be ready to spend $75k (ish) to get a nicely equipped Macan S, which is the Macan you want.
So you test drove all the small luxury sedans and found the best one to be an suv?
@@marclangman4836 The Macan is more so a wagon with an increased right height than an suv, but yes, it has a better ride/handling balance and better steering feel than any new sport sedan. If you wish you could buy an e90 3 series wagon, the Macan is what you want.
The sip of whiskey in the intro is what makes this video.
+ alternative options like Audi (just silently mentioned in the description), Volvo, Infiniti, Alfa and perhaps more. I couldn't figure out why you missed those as if they're not good enough?! interesting
I love this car
I had this as a rental over the last weekend, and had a pretty good time with it. It had a good mix of power, and felt really luxurious on the highway. Also, we were getting nearly 700 miles per tank, which is astounding. Loved the vent style and interior lighting. Would I buy it? Probably not, but it was a blast to drive coming from a Mazda household.
Then you go back to the Mazda touch controls and remember why you love them so much 😉
Hell yeah I definitely need that one it's time to upgrade my 2011 C300 luxury yeah definitely switch it for that one
1:50
"Let's get this in the shop." He says as he's in the shop with Mark taking heavy pulls 😂
Apex business man ❤
😆😆😆 I love this channel
So much screens, so many colors, so beautiful, which episode of pimp my ride was this from?
Did they ever fix the high pressure fuel pump problem that's over 10 years old now and across several models, including AMGs? Asking for a C250 owning friend...
when he shows up with the bottle of hibiki i lost it XD
I picked the G70 and I do not regret it.
Mark and his Hibiki Harmony though! 🥃
The modern Benz infotainment/tech style which huge touchscreens as a centerpoint must be the worst possible. They dialed the "disposability" up to 11.
All cars infotainment systems get dated now. It may be that in a decade all cars are big touch screens and the tablets sticking up from the dash screens will be so dated.
If you drive a Camry, Altima, Accord (which are fine cars), and wonder "what is the extra $15K to $20K getting me" by moving up to these Euro sedans, I can only tell you to go drive one. Any of them; C300, A4, 330i, Giulia, etc. Within 30 seconds you will feel the massive dynamic difference, the leather (if you option it) in these Euros is of much higher quality, and the tech features far more extensive. That is what you're paying for. It may not be worth it for some, but for those who like to drive, no Camry or Accord would ever get us out of these. (A TLX Type S may, I haven't driven one but that one may get me to switch).
Yeah you also feel it in the repair bills
You compared this car to cars like the tlx type s and m340i, but remember that that is not quite the segment this competes in. This competes with the 330i and A4, as opposed to their sporty models
So you mentioned why one would get a ES, a 3 series, and a G70. Where would the TLX fall in this spectrum?
My uncle has a TLX Type S, but he will be abroad in a year and doesn't plan on keeping it, and I'm wondering if I should consider putting in an offer to buy it from him.
I got extensive experience comparing two cars of the same model but with different engines. To be exact, it was a w204 c200d and a w204 c320cdi 4matic. I have driven thousands of miles on both cars in the same locations, sometimes both in one day. I also have serviced both of them by myself, with major maintenance too. For me, 4pot is an absolute banger. If you can squeeze the same amount of power from a 4-cylinder just do it. More cylinders mean worse weight distribution and speaking about l4 vs v6 both turbo, they give you also A LOT of layout and maintenance headaches. C320 is an absolute pain to maintain because to take off X you need to remove Y, Z, A, B, C, and D before. Also on other hand, C320's front feels much heavier in tight turns even though it has way better tires, sport springs, sway bars, shocks, and sportier wheel alignment than is recommended by the factory. Deffinetly you can install wider fanders to accomodate even wider tires, widen front track, add more camber and so on, but nobody will do it.
but the sound of 6 cyl makes it worth it
@@ang5738, I would prefer don't hear it at all because all this consumer turbo DI engines sounds like diesel. Nothing close even to old simple japanese 4-pot in chassis without noise canceling. And if you know how sounds a proper sport engine at 9000rpm... than modern cars are nightmare. And no, artificial sound from speakers can't help.
What about the A4 when it comes to comfort and quiet riding? It's not as tech focused as this C class and maybe not as dynamic as the BMW and G70 but I think it gives you the quattro system and ride refinement 🤔
I love cars and I work IT with decent salary but like the previous video about dealers, I will never pay the ridiculous fees they want to charge. It’s nuts.
Half the country works in IT nowadays... Decent salary my ass. Yeah, nice numbers compared to 2 decades ago if we dont take into consideration the expenses going through the roofs. If you want to have a stable healthy life on an IT wage, you cant afford to drop 50k on a car...
Recently I read a test/comparsion of this C300 in the european press, it scored a lot more points than the Genesis G70 2.0T, slightly less than BMW 330i, and somehow, the Genesis was still the most expensive one!! (all cars AWD)
The last new Merc I drove, all panels flexed and moved like crazy. The door cards and switches for example flexed like cardboard. Map light was the same... Hopefully their quality has improved there? Maybe it's normal, I drive old Toyota's so maybe I'm just not used to it
I am really surprised that the Lexus IS was not mentioned at all while the ES was.
Yeah the IS300 or IS350 are closer competitors than an ES.
Outdated.
Thanks for the review, I'm happy I got the 2023 Integra for $37,500
I’m a business man that works on enterprise valuations (true). I prefer what my 2021 BMW M340 in Portimoa Blue tells you about me. That I value speed, precision (steer….), and I’m not afraid to tell you what your assets are worth! If I were to look at this car, there are about 10 SUVs I have greater interest in!
Liar. No true businessman likes SUVs.
Driving dynamics and you did not talk about Alfa Romeo Giulia at all! :)
Wouldn’t the Lex ES be more comparable to the 5 series and E class? This would be more in the Lexus IS class comparison.
ES is in same price category here.
@@savagegeese Ahh. Got it. I was thinking size wise.
You have a point. I have a 2021 ES, and my previous car was a 2017 C300. At the same time, my son in law had a 2016 E class. In my mind, and in driving these cars, it feels like the ES is more akin to the E class. I loved my C300, and would have moved into another, or an E class, but my lease was up at the height of the auto chip shortage, and MB had literally nothing available I would lease. I went to Lexus, only because they had product. I am exceptionally happy with this Lexus, it does almost everything better than the C. I especially like the non turbo V6 at 302 horsepower.
@@savagegeese ES and IS both overlap with this, honestly - you can get a fully loaded IS350 for about $55k. So for the dynamic element, the IS is a better choice than the ES. Outdated or not, the IS is the only NA V6, FR sports sedan available on the market (obviously this changes a bit as you go up-market, with a few V8 options)
@@davidcoughenourdavidc9064 I traded my 2015 C300 for a 2022 ES 300h. I wanted something larger, but NOT a SUV and I wanted a hybrid.The C-Class was soon going to get expensive to repair too. I agree that the ES does everything just a little better and the ride is like a magic carpet.
Volvo S60 is kind of a sleeper in the segment as well
Mr. Savagegeese, what made you go with Patagonia over North Face? Does you local mall only have a Patagonia store? I think that Eddie Bauer and L.L. Bean are more comfortable and cost less as well.
Peasant spotted
It is a great small luxury car. Yes it isn't a sport sedan in the realm of the 3 series or G70, but it isn't as boat like as the ES and more advanced than the old A4.
The new M254 2.0L inline 4 is I believe the first I4 turbo with a 48V MHEV system. Every other application thus far is always on a 6cyl motor and cost far more.
Not the first one, M264 has had a MHEV since 2018
As a Mercedes-Benz technician, this car is actually very interesting to learn engineering wise.
Fun fact: the w206 uses the M254, which is literally a 4-cylinder modular version of the M256 inline 6. Uses the same ecu, same components, virtually almost everything & some to share components & cut production cost. These cars have been coming in the dealerships ALOT for 48v battery malfunctions, so for anyone out there thinking about buying/leasing this, expect frequent visits to the dealership & phone calls about back ordered components 🥲
I hope not, if i visit the dealership 3 times for that, it is considered a lemon and we are going to have a HUGE problem.
On the plus side, you get a to drive a newer model for basically free.
What about the gas tanks de compression on hybrids?
Is there any place where I can find more technical documentation on the difference between the engine in the various trim levels of the W206?
@Sirco2tech Based on that, would you try and talk someone out of buying one?
I would definitely go for the Genesis G70 that car actually drives really good i love the seats and the twin trouble V6 is really really good
the 2023 c300 drives amazing
That V6 is noisy, vibrates a lot and its not very pleasant to drive in general. Very average response and unrefined overall. The G70 is not a rival. Its very clumsy. Its just a fancier dressed KIA Stinger. A nice car on its day in the semi premium segment but no match for a proper, modern, platform like this C Class.
LOL what’s up with the Hibiki Harmony appearance? I just had some tonight. 😂
Would it be fair to say that as cars get bigger and heavier (and higher up) with beefed up suspension components and massive brakes wheels and tyres and big complicated motors and engines that unless a model runs air suspension )or something expensive) it's going to ride pretty badly compared to something from 25 years ago when weight was still mildly tolerable?
Really nailed this review... given the power plant (especially considering the price) it's definitely dead to me.
We had a 330 BMW loaner recently and the 4 cyl was so loud and unrefined. It totally ruined the experience, especially considering the 50K plus price tag
@@Wasabi9111 I could totally see that. No matter what the power output looks like you are still going to have the less than desirable characteristics at play.
Its an appliance. Cars reduced to basic transportation that garners zero second thoughts are ok, at the sub 20K price point. For the price point in this vid, a dishwasher you forgot you owned isn't going to cut it.
While far from sporty, I’ll hold on to my 17 ES 350. Power is descent while being a very smooth drivetrain and reliability is top notch. I drive it to/from work and not on any twisty roads. My dad has a 17 E300 4matic. Nice looking vehicle, but I’m far from impressed with its ride quality and its turbo 4cyl power train.
My wife has a 2013 c300 sport and it's a nice driving car. Got a kleeman tune to open up the throttle so it has same power as the c350. Really really fun driving car and we are having a hard time even looking at a new one because of the turbo 4 issues
Keep the current one better car in my opinion.
@@asabir141 all facts. 2014 and older are still solid vehicles.
@@brandonwiggins540 yeah that's why we are holding onto it. The v6 is nice
any info on the tune? how much did it cost?
Keep it as long as you can. Just keep an eye out for the usual maintenance suspects.
What you see if what you get. Nothing jaw dropping, nothing major to complain about.
1:11 I see that bottle of Hibiki. Good taste
Not sure why you say “hate to mention this” when referencing the g70 as a solid competitor. I have a loaded 2022 G70 TT3.3 and I love it. Out the door it was $55,000. It is very dynamic and refined. I drove the TLX S TYPE and it did not drive as solid as the Genesis. Does not get the cred it deserves from you guys!
Because they hate the Koreans. They can’t stand to see them build good vehicles. They don’t even hide there bias against them anymore lol.
Tried one of these, with decent option is easily 60k+ car. I was smiling the entire time in a 330i, didn’t at all in the C300.
Great review. Who was the rough dude drinking whiskey who photobombed the introduction? 😳
Guy who is weak.
Mark already in the Holiday Spirit
Is the C300e coming to America? Having 60 miles EV range sounds like the perfect compromise to not having to fill up the tank for months.
can't wait to see how the C63 performs with that 700hp four pot!
For the businessman whose business is being in the business of a business man
I test drove all the cars in the segment. Mercedes tries to appeases everything and ends up appeasing none. Audi takes zero risks and you can tell. BMW had the best drive enthusiasm. Lexus had the best ride quality and interior by far. If you need a classic luxury commuter go with Lexus. If you want a really solid driving experience go with bmw 3 series. If you want chincy interior and high maintenance cost go with Audi. If you don’t know what you want from a car, go with Mercedes. I went with the ES350 and have loved every minute of driving it.
could you guys do an end of the year comparison between vehicles in the same category? Also, could you add a category such as longevity? I remember Mark some years ago saying he recommended an extended warrantee on a particular car, can't remember what, so a guy guy like me at the end of the long working road that might consider buying one last personal luxury car. would know if this would be a good long term buy.
He said that about the C8 corvette and has said it about other vehicles as well
@@JuanCarlosLTO C8 isn't my cup of tea, a lot of the videos I don't watch if its a car I'm not interested in. That is why I was asking about a year end summary of the "best of" kind of thing. I would consider a nice sedan for myself but what's out there seems limited now.
@@nomehdrider I’m a sedan type of guy and although my needs haven’t changed, I tend to look more at SUV’s for their perceived practicality.
I am considering a C300 for our next car. Within the segment I have had many 3 series, an A4, IS350 and have been looking at this one just because I’ve never had a Mercedes and this one being a new model, the timing works in its favor.
I also like what Genesis does but their G70 is in need of a redesign. So I don’t know what I’ll get… my wife just wants a Civic though and she’ll be the primary driver so… 🤷🏻♂️
Don't you mean the Lexus IS? Are the ES and IS in the same segment?
1. Genesis G70
2. BMW M340
3. Merc C43 AMG
How are you guys finding the new C300 quieter and more refined than a 3-series? A standard suspension 3-series has better refinement over road imperfections and it's just as quiet at speed.
Because it is quieter and more refined.
@@Hyrppa95 Trust me it is not. LOL Rides harsh over imperfections in the rode. These are not the true Mercedes-Benz they were known for. Also, reliability is one of the worst per Consumer Reports.
1:39 Look at that vent fit and finish🤣
I watch the non enthusiast car reviews for the sick intro remixes
Interesting you talked about the lexus ES but not the lexus IS as a competitor.
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You guys should review the BMW M340i
Please do the M340I
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Volvo S60 deserves consideration too
I don’t think Jack has ever been truly impressed by any car.
You get divorced a baker dozen times, have a gajillion kids, and have your father and law who smokes while on oxygen move into your house, you’d be testy too!
992 GT3, 718 GT4 RS, C8 Z06
@@joe718gt4 Mx5 ND2
He liked the Carrera T and GTS also
he's a porsche fanboy, we still love him but it's good to keep that in mind when watching these reviews. His most highest praise is always reserved for Porsches.
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