Exactly How Much Torque Can DeWALT's Latest Impact Make?
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- čas přidán 9. 04. 2022
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Today we attach many of DeWalt's 20V XR batteries to the new DCF891 mid torque to see if it can surpass their CURRENT DCF899 high torque. Which is madness.
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Torque of TTC is working for Astro Tools who also make impact wrenches (air). TTC is not the only testing out there, always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool! - Auta a dopravní prostředky
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@ 2:35 the labeled tools are swapped, our bad! 15ah might be more lawn mower territory ,but it wont stop us from trying! Who's money is on DeWalt's DCF900 taking a top spot? If you find one sitting on a shelf before it's officially out, drop us a line! Haha
Torque, who started TTC, is working in product development for Astro tools,who also make impacts (air). Always consider multiple sources when looking at a tool!
I knew he was hinting at this in the last video!
I have a XR 1/4" apex(bits) type impact from 2014 and it could remove lug nuts off a 2010 Corolla. Gotten water in it and it still runs fine, batteries are still like new due to charge duration lasting.
I have a 9ah Flexvolt battery sporting those 21700s I could send your way.
Milwaukee Who ?? Where are all the Red Cry Babies Now 👶 😭 ...
Love the channel. How about a worst case scenario competition for these tools. Using the worst available batteries and trying for the highest values. Perhaps a lower power tool with a cheap battery may perform better than a higher power model with a similar cheaper, or lower amp battery. Just throwing it out there, thanks guys!
Those power curves demonstrate a well balanced, and optimized tool.
Congrats Dewalt
I used czcams.com/users/postUgkx4ynqaujg7rZKFapA8s29kTpRszJGa3-K this for the first time today to replace the front wheel bearing on my rwd 98 dodge dakota. This had absolutely no issue removing or reinstalling the lug nuts and it took off the axle nut without any struggle. Sounds like it's got some muscle to it. Time will tell
It still boggles my mind how they get so much more torque out of basically the same size impact as the previous generation.
It’s actually very simple to create torque. Torque is force x distance so you can create it by 2 simple things more force which is a mix of acceleration and mass, and distance. So if you increase the hammer weight it’ll produce more torque and you can make the plastics all light weight and only use mass for the metal.
Thx bill nye
@@tjboylan20 If increasing hammer weight reduces acceleration too much then will produce less torque. I think it's safe to say it's not just a matter of increasing hammer weight from generation to generation. There's a lot of smart people trying to figure out ways to wrench every bit of power out of these for a given price point.
Tbf the previous generation has been out for years
@@Kefka2010 Agreed. In order to increase the hammer weight while staying in the same housing would be to increase the material density substantially. Not likely. I do see that Black and Decker has a newly issued patent around the brushless motor (US 11,283,325) and the desire for more power for cordless tools. The patent makes to references to power increases, but it’s either that or lower manufacturing cost or both.
It’s awesome that these companies keep making new tools. It’s good business
competition..competition..competition.....we win! and inflation...it wins too, but we also win!
I think it's the best time ever to be in the market. Hands down the golden era of power tools
@@J.Wick. Tools surprisingly have not skyrocketed in price. The tool companies haven't decided to falsely gouge us like so many other industries.
@@802Garage agree to disagree there sir. If you haven't yet seen it, prepare. For it is coming. Hint- Watch the new releases from DeWalt.
@@J.Wick. New releases always start with a price hike, but even the 921 was quite reasonable when it cam out recently. 🤷♂️ Battery prices haven't gone up much if at all either. Plus DeWalt has still been running deals. I'm just surprised there hasn't been more gouging. I think all the tool companies were afraid to move prices because of the competition. Other companies raised prices far past inflation because they could just to boost profits.
Believe the graphic was backwards on the 894 vs 891 graph at t=165s or so. I just got that latest Metabo HPT....This 891 almost makes me wish i had waited lol. Mustard is back!! :) Honey Badger really don't curr.
Ahh yes, good call! Mislabeled. Data appears to be correct otherwise. These dang tools are so similar!
Yeah, thought so. 😁
@@TorqueTestChannel excellent info as always. Thanks 👍
Whew. I thought so too. I reworded that over and over and was confused.
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this, it had me confused for a bit.
I just started collecting dewalt tools in the last year and boy what a lucky time to get into their ecosystem. I already have the DCF921, a powerstack, 5ah battery and a few other of their tools, but it looks like I might need to add this to my wishlist. They're absolutely killing it this year. I hope someone at dewalt is watching these videos and giving their engineers the appreciation they deserve.
The 921 is awesome. I have the old 894, but this will definitely replace it in the future when I find a good deal. Love my DeWalt tools overall. I save a lot vs Milwaukee, especially on batteries.
@@802Garage I just came by an 894 a week ago, with the smaller light gun, a 5Ah and 4Ah (both XR) battery in a pawn shop for a couple hundred, thought I was getting a good deal until I saw this XD The impact is like new though basically, even though it's 2019, and the 5Ah is a 2020.
Next I'm getting me a DCB416B, freaking ASAP. Such a small housing for so many beans in a cordless grinder, it's very excellent from what I could tell when I borrowed one for a day from Home Derpot. I could barely get it to lug down on a fresh 5Ah, and with the 6Ah Flexvolt that the B model makes extra use of I honestly struggled to bring the RPM down to even 3/4 of max while grinding on plate steel.
I realize that not every tool can be all things to all people, but for the size and weight of that grinder, with a power stack and a knotted wire cup on it with a grinding wheel in my bolt bag, I'll be saving at least half an hour a day just chipping welds, and I don't think the extra 2k RPM makes the extra 2~lbs of the 418 worth carrying all day, let alone how much more bulky it is or the time I'll save over running to the pile of gubs/work trailer to get a grinder and extension cord the couple times a day we need it
@@802Garage they have the 891 at tractor supply in a kit for 250
Yes as an automotive technician I have both the atomic 921 and the new 891. They are both amazing tools the 921 is so small but does easy work on control arm bolts and caliper brackets. The 891 I got to help ease the strain on the 921 when removing lugs since someplace way over torque people lug nuts sometimes. Note though the 921 doesn't like high AH batteries past 6AH the 891 doesn't care I have a 10AH battery on it
921 for automotive use is a must have.
I got the 6ah batteries before I did the suspension repair on my car with my DCF899 and you can tell they are putting out more power than the 18650 cells. Good work as usual!
damnnn its been a while but dewalt back on top with serious competitor. love how they kept the batteries the same design in terms of still being able to be used on older and new tools
A teardown of the DCF891 vs the DCF899 would be interesting. I suspect they use similar internal components, especially the motor controller and heavy-gauge wiring. Great channel, cheers!!
Awesome impacts coming from DeWalt! I would like to see a comparison between the IR cordless impacts and the DeWalt. I use DeWalt almost exclusively at my job site, and have the IR cordless 3/8" and 1/2" guns for personal use. I find the dewlats to be very powerful and reliable, but prefer the IR for the torque settings and the 360 ring lights. Would love to see how the numbers stack up!
As insane as the 15ah seems , I'm so glad dewalt gives us options on battery capacity,
I bought the DCF891 at the big Orange Store today. It was up in the rack not down on the floor yet, I think they just got them in.
I’ll be putting it to the test.
I wonder how long of an extension and how large of a socket you would need to tip that over with the 15amp battery on it.
Asking the _real_ questions.
@@RANDOMNATION907 Literally what I was going to say word for word.
36" in extensions with 2 U-joints and a big ass socket.
A.K.A the: i cant reach that MoFo destructomatic apperatus that likes to fling nuts across the shop.
These new generations of tools just keep setting new bars, and we win as the competition heats up.
The comically large 15AH battery still makes me smile. 😁
This impact has just become available to purchase as a kit with 2 x 5Ah and charger here in the UK, bought the kit a week ago and its been honestly amazing, its been able to handle everything I threw it at easily.
just incredible
I have an absolutely battered, close to worn out Dewalt 18v 1/2" impact I use day in and day out at work - when I got it (well used/cheap/kinda broken already really) it amazed me & relegated the air-powered guns to the bin - I wondered how I'd managed/why I'd managed to work so long without a "decent" battery impact wrench - I have no clue how many hours/thousand hours I wasted turning wrenches by hand over the years.
If you're dithering about getting one - get one. You will wonder why it took you so long to get one. You will also never again want to be without one & will start watching Channels like Torque Test in order to figure out which one you're going to buy next - and that is entirely sensible because cordless impact drivers are the dogs danglies if you open/close fastners for a living.
What a time for power tools these days. A completely different story from the battery tools even 10 years ago. I always wondered what it would've been like to have a shop in the 50s and 60s with brand new American made air tools setting the standard everywhere. Guess this is the modern version 🍻
It would be cool to see more of the lug nut testing. Maybe even some with rust on them for us mechanics living in the rust belt.
Check out Shop Tools Reviews for great and consistent "nut busting". For rust, we tried doing this on the same size shown here, and found impacts taking +/- 30% different amounts of time with the same tool on the various same nuts. So the data wouldnt be very clean.
@@TorqueTestChannel thank you. That’s understandable can’t really keep it that consistent to have clean data
Be cool if they made an impact/torch for those occasions lol
Glad to finally see yellow giving red a run for its money. I've used Dewalt impact drivers for a long time and it will be nice to run impact wrenches off the same batteries if I can pick one of these up
You guys are awesome I got a old 899 that is been through hell and holds up
Well I got the 921 recently which wrecks my old 890, though that's still nice to have around if I want low torque. I have the 894 and 899, but this new 891 can pretty much replace both of them. Will definitely be looking for a good deal on it now. Thanks for the great info!
Man that is a sweet little setup. I’ve been eyeing the DCF900 for working in the garage but may add this too. You guys are very detailed
Congratulations to you who won this new Monster. 👏
My DCF921 couldn't remove the lugnuts on my 04 Honda accord tires. That was a huge Bummer
The one thing that most buyers don’t realize Milwaukee, Dewalt, Makita, Flex etc. They’re not competitors to each other. The power tool market is Monopolistic Competition meaning no company is a true competitor to each other just like gas stations. The reason is because all of their batteries are not interchangeable. Once you get deep into one line it’s not economically feasible to completely change your brand. If you have maybe 1 tool of each brand you may be able to swap fast but the majority of buyers of all these brands are already heavily into one brand. I’m personally deep into Milwaukee and it would be stupid to switch to another brand after I already have thousands of dollars in tool. However for sockets and hand tools the market is more feasible to switch but still monopolistic competition.
My First Milwaukee tool was the first GEN high torque 2763 which I use every day as an auto technician for the last eight years there wasn’t a nut or a fastener that it couldn’t takeoff. It can take off a Honda crank bolt very easily. I’m sure the second GEN 2767 could do it faster but until my first GEN breaks down I have no reason to make such a large purchase. So I’ve purchased many other Milwaukee tools due to their reliability and high quality and like you said I’m not going to switch over to any other brand just based on ratings. But I do believe if you start with an inferior brand and found bad results it is a good idea to switch to a top-tier brand.
im so happy to be on team DeWalt.
It's good to see DeWalt stepped up their game. I think channels like yours helped push them.
Please test the big 20V 8Ah DeWALT battery. It punches harder than any DeWALT battery I've used.
I have been looking forward to this all week!
Wow 👏 . I figured the 6ah would give it a boost. The 15ah was a let down. I've settled on the 8ah for the heavy draw tools. Workshop addict does some great work showing off good and not so good performance in tools.
DeWalt is always the slowest to come out with tools, BUT they are the most consistent tool out there. They are great tools. We forget, when you are the one to beat (DeWalt), that means your the best overall, even if you don’t win the race…. If that makes sense.
Those torque curves are great information. Thanks
Just bought the 900. Yea it's the man !!!
The new high torque going be an animal. I have my dcf899 all most 4 years and it been a beast . Friction ring replaced is all . Also tool is very heavy and causes batterys to break were screws hold them together
Great info! Always looking to add a new toy to the collection, great job
Picking up this midtorque tomorrow, going to run it with my 9AH
Amazing power. I'm a team red guy myself, but instead of having all these different impacts for torque ratings I would really like to see some tech go onto one that will control the torque output more, maybe even determine bolt torque depending on if there's a torque stick, extensions, etc.
Power is great but if you can't control it it can definitely make your day go from good to bad in a quickness.
Great video Gents!! I can’t wait to get my hands on an 891, it’d prob become my go to mid torque bar none 👍🏼
Glad a found this I was close to buying one of their older model high torque. But I’ll just wait.
So yeah, new mid torque is current high torque. This is getting good.
This thing is genuinely impressive. Nice to see dewalt stepping up their game
This video made me buy the last one at my local Home Depot today 👀 get to pick it up before my 10 hour shift at the dealership tomorrow and excited to get the new battery charged and rip off some lugs without a hose to trip on. ✊🏼
Thanks for all this data.
I like that dewalt is bringing the beans to compete with other brands.
Got a new DCF900 ordered today, suppose to ship in 3 weeks. Can't wait for your review on that over the DCF899.
I found the older I guess 6ah Dewalt flexvolt batteries seemed to come out of the gate hardest when fully charged.
I have a old post dewalt recip saw I chuckle when I use it with the adapter and the 6ah flexvolt thinking this could be the last time it lives!
I sold my Gen3 Milwaukee Mid torque and brought the Dewalt 891. I have a few of their 12v tools including the 3/8 ratchet. Now I’m tempted to sell my Milwaukee trimmer and get a Dewalt 60v one lmao. I want to collect more Dewalt tools now, they seem to be the best at the moment!
All these cordless tools are getting better in short amount of time. Good thing demand from consumers is always good, keeps progress from these companies going.
Great video, thanks for the info. Looking to replace my ‘old’ Rigid.
Holy crap!! Impressed! They need to expand their line though!
Dewalt definitely found some brainy people to find hidden beans in their mid torque guns. I can only imagine what those secrets applied to the new high torque will bring. Look forward to seeing you guys cover it when it comes out
Mid torque used the same anvil and hammer mechanism as the old high torque probably and a new brushless more powerful motor, to fit in the older smaller housing of the mid torque.
@@MrZimmaframe It'd be cool to see a disassembly of one of these and compare its internals to the old high torque(DCF899) and mid torque(DCF894)
Nothing nicer than seeing companies try to one up their previous gen lineup. This aint smart phones fam.
Awesome job guys
Thank you
Great video. Thank you
Damn I love these videos. My wife thinks I'm loosing it. Watching BattleBots cordless impact edition
What I like about dewalt is availability and price. The quality and performance have always been there !
On my bucket list
I just watched the first video and I'm so glad to see this video was done!
Be nice to see that combo tried with say the 10 Amp/Hr 2P configuration or the 12 Amp/Hr 3P configuration as those are the largest capacity 21700 battery packs.
I have the DeWalt high-torque and can say from my experience the 10 Amp/Hr 2P and 9 Amp/Hr which both make a difference with the 9 Amp/Hr being noticeably better/faster than the 5 Amp/Hr which tends to be my go-to battery in the larger tools. This mid-torque looks quite nice as the old high-torque isn’t great compared to some of the bigger Milwaukee’s. Higher torque in a smaller package is nice and it would be even better under some battery configurations; I defiantly notice a performance boost from the 21700 cell packs nearly irrespective of tool or “FlexVolt Advantage” or “Power Select” marketing DeWalt is putting out. I do wish DeWalt would just knock off the orange vs. blue marketing and just make a single line of tools to take best advantage of whatever battery you’re using.
Thanks for the interesting and helpful video.
How good is TTC!! It's like the gold standard.
Brilliant video thank u
One thing I wish you did was get the torque rating for each power level. Just a graph overlay of the three different settings would be interesting to see
My go to for news hands down
Just imagine what they could do with a 60v high torque.
Or a 1 inch D handle
Or a steam powered train engine and the right gearing.
Twist apart grade 8 bolts?
I've been wondering this too, they made a flexvolt hammer drill, why not make a flexvolt high torque?
@@heltfeil Too much maintenance.... I'll take a 9ah 60v pack on a 1/2 if it could handle it, if not a 3/4 or larger.
I bought my Ridgid high and mid torque in a package deal for $300 on black Friday week. This channel was a big deciding factor in what I was going to buy. Somehow I knew that Dewalt would come out with something more awesome as soon as I broke down and bought impacts. doh! 😂
With this I'm getting the same feeling I got when AMD announced Ryzen to actually take on Intel. They had some aging, decent for light work tools, like AMD had cpus, and then just cranked it up to 11 with their newest stuff.
Exactly! Good way of putting it. Intel became comfortable with their 10 years of quad cores, and AMD busted out mainstream 6,8,12,16 core CPUs and lit a fire under Intel's ass. Competition is good and looking forward to additional insane performance or atleast worthwhile upgrades from all brands
it caused intel to figure some shit out, thats for sure. gave up a few less used benchmarks to kick the ever living shit out or amd on the rest. happy to see that dewalt is finally getting back to where they should be
You must not remember when the Athlon64 came out and totally wiped the floor with Intel.
I want to hear Roadrunner sound effects everytime you pull out that comically huge battery.
Amazing jump in performance, may have to consider going yellow
@torque test channel You made a typo at the 2:27 mark. The graph shows the 894 spanking the 891. I was so confused at first and then I double checked the impact and the gauge. Lol 😆
Glad someone else saw this, I had to rewatch multiple times to make sure I wasn't crazy lol. Made the 891 look like a wimp
So if they refresh the high torque with a newer motor, it's really gonna be a wrist breaker
I need this now! My poor 894 in for retirement soon 😢 also you have the model numbers swapped at 2:27
Edit: just bought one at my Lowe's, they have 3 more haha
I'm in the market for a new impact and drill, so this was perfect timing.
look at this absolute unit
Yes, I want one. Do you ever wonder how consistent these impact guns are to their brothers on the shelf? Have I missed you discussing this before? I just wonder if I'm pretty much gonna get what I see here when I pick one up. Thanks so much.
Very consistent so far of the doubles we've tested
Awesome videos and content sir
I wonder if some of the larger mah battery torque increase is due to the power transfer dynamics. More weight on the opposite end of the anvil should increase the efficiency of the blows, versus lost energy into the operators hand. You could try testing a specific battery like a Powerstack, then strap a few lbs. to the bottom of the battery.
The only thing about the Makita mid toque is that it's close to being a high toque in size so its like inbetween mid and high toque wrench's
deng thats awesome new stuff from de walt
My thoughts on the 15ah result: The 6ah pack is rated to deliver 70A based purely on cells, the 15ah pack probably uses the 18650 25S (i've not found out what it actually uses yet) so should theroetically have a current limit of 150A (!!!) but presumably that is being bottlenecked by circuitry etc, and I suspect that many cells jammed together requires some sort of current drain management to prevent the middle of the pack from overheating.
Amazing mid range
Great video
Just picked one up today my 3week old 887 Impact driver could not take off my 2012 Town and county Lugs 891 did it on setting 1 like to a Knife threw Hot Butter
Crazy awesome!
Looks like this thing runs great with the 5ah!
They also make an 8amp hour battery and it’s definitely worth the buy
The 15ah battery makes more sense on the miter saw or table saw. Maybe the SDS hammer. Things that don’t need to fit into tight spaces.
Honestly, I'm glad what DeWalt is doing with the batteries.. The only real difference I see in general is the bigger the battery the longer it is going to last charged... Just a general way of looking at it.. And it should be that way and kept that way.
Dewalt really showing the beans in all categories. Their best 12V stuff are insane, and the options in the 18V range is turning out to be some serious stuff.
The first DeWalt tools I got were a 14V drill and impact driver. Smaller and lighter so they fit in my toolbox along with everything else, and amazing power for their size. A pleasure to work with, and they've lasted... Since then I've bought other brands beside DeWalt, but after my experience with that first set, I've never spent money on cheap power tools ever again.
Would love to see the Hercules ratchets vs the dewalt ones since you can modify the Hercules 12v to take dewalt 12v batteries
Have you guys done a test to see the actual torque of an impact wrench using all the different battery sizes available on that platform, I would be interested in the makita lxt high torque using from 2.0ah to 6.0 or even 8.0. Thanks for this video. Subscribed.
That's odd a 'mid' vs 'high' is not that much torque. Good to see them stepping up their game. Still love my Milwaukee's after so many years of abuse they are kicking strong.
Has there ever been a test on the old 18v impacts with a 20v adapter on them? Comparing the gains or losses of upgrading batteries? If not I can send you my two impacts to do the tests.
Would have liked to see the performance with the 2ah battery as well since it's the most common DeWalt battery that comes with most of its tools and would make the tool almost as compact as with the power stack but I know with less power but would have liked to know how much but great video still can't please everyone I guess
Thanks for the vid. is that dewalt impact still gonna be given away? i went with the m18 mid torque when it first came out to replace my ageing ingersoll rand, but im not a fan boy, would love some yellow in my garage
I need this.
This competition between huge companies is what makes the world advance. No matter what brand you get you'll likely be happy. I'm really happy dewalt has come back with such authority compared to how underpowered they were. They're seriously just as good as any other top tier brand.
They need to start mounting the batteries backwards to gain some working room up front, especially for drills, impacts, and 18-20v ratchets. That's why I prefer the 12v ratchets, they are big enough as is, a big battery getting in the way is not going to help. I have one of the old Earthquake ratchets that seems to be the same as the AC Delco 12v ratchets. Loud, weak, slow, but it works and isn't really designed to be real strong. Otherwise I have a bunch of Ryobi as I don't use these tools to make my paycheck.