Thank you for doing this pod, fellas. Rejoining the hobby has been a truly joyful experience. This pod is my guiding light. Also happy to have a vintage episode after a bunk allure box last night. lol
Troy you bought your case from my LCS. I use to work for him back in 1998 and still stop by at lest once a month for the card show he has in the back of the shop.
I dont remember that triple auto ever being a chase back in the day..I always remember trying to "Find the Hull" which was a drawing type card i think /2500
We’ve learned a lot today about the Triple Auto Card. It was put together by Paul Goldin’s company after release. You’re right the Hull and Howe were pack pulled chases /2800. Discussing all this on Mondays show :)
I remember ripping off my buddy for that Brett Hull rookie when we were like 12. He didn't know it was his rookie. I then proceeded to trade it for a copy of Techmo Bowl for the NES a couple years later.
In the last episode there was a mailbag question asking if anyone has competed a set of Monumental Patches. I have 4 of the 6 Igor Shesterkin Rookie Monumental Patches, my number one PC quest is to get the other 2 if at all possible. I have never seen the other 2 for sale and unfortunately it might not be possible since all Shesterkin cards are redemptions in The Cup. To me The Monumental Rookie Patches are grail cards since the card is hard signed with the best patches possible in the hobby.
I'll mention it in my preview but most of the designs are actually throwback riffs on late 1990s and 2003-04 NBA and even NFL. Also note the 22/23 and 21/22 updates include Slaf, Wright, and even Caufield RCs. It's a very rich set for those steeped SPx history. They even include a Maurice Richard FX Radiance. Re. sticker autos, SPx has always been SPA's more daring and blinged out holofoil little bro. The stickers and cut autos are usually integrated seamlessly, and explain why SPx (in non-Bedard years) has always dipped to the $75 range. I got all my 2000-2015 boxes for $75. I'm in the minority, but I always preferred the SPx RCs to SPA, given the geometrics and 3D vibe. True too even of McD's Auto-Jersey RC, an affordable $2,000 card instead of a $7,000 FWA. My opinion is we have to stop sticking our heals in the mud over sticker autos. Do we complain about a Tier 1 RC vs a Tier 2 RC? Stickers are just a baked in lower price tier. We should all know by now based on simple economics (supply/demand quantity vs price point) the alternative is less autos in the product, not more hard-signed autos. Alternatively 2023-24 SPx is $500/box out of the gate like SPA and BD.
Appreciate your points. I (Josh) am not opposed to sticker autos in lower end products, I just have no desire to collect them and I'd prefer the cost to be put into insane parallels and inserts...but that's just maybe be. The biggest set I have an issue with stickers autos in is Black Diamond...at that price point I feel they should be hard signed.
@@hockeycardsgongshow Josh, I agree completely. It really hinges on where UD and distributor price points land. 23/24 BD was $500 out of the gate. I balked. Here we are a few months later and SSC has it at $370 and falling. Even $370 is a hard-signed price point. I will always defend sticker autos, for their inclusion in retail, unlicensed Leaf products, and my love affair with SPSL Howe/Hull/Bossy/Lafleur/Gillies RIP autos (and UD multiways).
Are box bottoms listed in Beckett monthly? I'd check myself, but I don't have one. Also, as of late, I've been buying wax wrappers from the 70s and 80s and filling them up with perfect non valuable cards and re-sealing them. I then put them on display beside the ( for eg) Yzerman rookie card.
I have had arguments with people about what series the Cup holo is in. I bought a ton of series 1 but some are saying its in series 2 as well I need to know lool
I recently tried to PSA my triple auto 50/50 hull lemieux gretzky card. I was only trying to get the autos authenticated (even though I know these are legit), however PSA would not authenticate the card as Upper Deck never released the 50/50 card with all 3 autos as the sigs were coordinated by a reseller afterwards. This gets into the other conversation where I was supposed to submit as a generic "trading card" for auto authentication and not a dual authentication. So even though that is a legit upper deck released 50/50 card, because Upper Deck never released as a triple auto, they wouldnt process the order. In PSA's view, this would create confusion if they authenticated it, suggesting that other hobbyists would somehow interpret PSA's authentication as validating UD actually released these triple autos themselves. I ended up just selling the card raw.
Yeah, we are learning all about this today. Apparently these were done by Ken Goldin's father as you'll see COA's out there referencing Paul Goldin and Scoreboard Inc.
Thank you for doing this pod, fellas. Rejoining the hobby has been a truly joyful experience. This pod is my guiding light. Also happy to have a vintage episode after a bunk allure box last night. lol
Appreciate that so much. Feedback like yours is why we do this show.!
Awesome show as always boys!!
Thank you!
Troy you bought your case from my LCS. I use to work for him back in 1998 and still stop by at lest once a month for the card show he has in the back of the shop.
Great episode guys! Johnny was a great guest!
Thanks Jeremy! Appreciate your support greatly!
I dont remember that triple auto ever being a chase back in the day..I always remember trying to "Find the Hull" which was a drawing type card i think /2500
We’ve learned a lot today about the Triple Auto Card. It was put together by Paul Goldin’s company after release. You’re right the Hull and Howe were pack pulled chases /2800. Discussing all this on Mondays show :)
I remember ripping off my buddy for that Brett Hull rookie when we were like 12. He didn't know it was his rookie. I then proceeded to trade it for a copy of Techmo Bowl for the NES a couple years later.
Love Tecmo Bowl. Super Tecmo Bowl was my jam growing up.
@@hockeycardsgongshow Bo was unstoppable!
Feel better soon!
Thank you :)
There is also the Lombardi trohy holo in Pro Set football too
Did not know that...thanks :)
Which is also claimed to be most popular of the Pro Set holograms. Us hockey folk know what the best trophy in sports is!
@@78rlewiThe Calder? 😅
@@sportsfix6975 HAHAHA!!!!
In the last episode there was a mailbag question asking if anyone has competed a set of Monumental Patches. I have 4 of the 6 Igor Shesterkin Rookie Monumental Patches, my number one PC quest is to get the other 2 if at all possible. I have never seen the other 2 for sale and unfortunately it might not be possible since all Shesterkin cards are redemptions in The Cup. To me The Monumental Rookie Patches are grail cards since the card is hard signed with the best patches possible in the hobby.
Good luck! I'm sure that will look amazing when you get it done.
Get well soon Josh!
Thank you appreciate that.
I'll mention it in my preview but most of the designs are actually throwback riffs on late 1990s and 2003-04 NBA and even NFL. Also note the 22/23 and 21/22 updates include Slaf, Wright, and even Caufield RCs. It's a very rich set for those steeped SPx history. They even include a Maurice Richard FX Radiance. Re. sticker autos, SPx has always been SPA's more daring and blinged out holofoil little bro. The stickers and cut autos are usually integrated seamlessly, and explain why SPx (in non-Bedard years) has always dipped to the $75 range. I got all my 2000-2015 boxes for $75. I'm in the minority, but I always preferred the SPx RCs to SPA, given the geometrics and 3D vibe. True too even of McD's Auto-Jersey RC, an affordable $2,000 card instead of a $7,000 FWA. My opinion is we have to stop sticking our heals in the mud over sticker autos. Do we complain about a Tier 1 RC vs a Tier 2 RC? Stickers are just a baked in lower price tier. We should all know by now based on simple economics (supply/demand quantity vs price point) the alternative is less autos in the product, not more hard-signed autos. Alternatively 2023-24 SPx is $500/box out of the gate like SPA and BD.
Appreciate your points. I (Josh) am not opposed to sticker autos in lower end products, I just have no desire to collect them and I'd prefer the cost to be put into insane parallels and inserts...but that's just maybe be. The biggest set I have an issue with stickers autos in is Black Diamond...at that price point I feel they should be hard signed.
@@hockeycardsgongshow Josh, I agree completely. It really hinges on where UD and distributor price points land. 23/24 BD was $500 out of the gate. I balked. Here we are a few months later and SSC has it at $370 and falling. Even $370 is a hard-signed price point. I will always defend sticker autos, for their inclusion in retail, unlicensed Leaf products, and my love affair with SPSL Howe/Hull/Bossy/Lafleur/Gillies RIP autos (and UD multiways).
Are box bottoms listed in Beckett monthly? I'd check myself, but I don't have one. Also, as of late, I've been buying wax wrappers from the 70s and 80s and filling them up with perfect non valuable cards and re-sealing them. I then put them on display beside the ( for eg) Yzerman rookie card.
Good question....we don't subscribe either. Maybe someone will chime in with the answer :)
Johnny is a TO legend !! How are you giving that box away???
We'll figure that out for next show....sorry at half speed right now due to covid lol
Box bottom are cards. In general cards have various thickness stock. It's a card.
Another Datsyuk nugget for ya......The first year Detroit played after Datsyuk retired, The Wings missed the playoffs...
Crazy
I have had arguments with people about what series the Cup holo is in. I bought a ton of series 1 but some are saying its in series 2 as well I need to know lool
Really...we were always told Series One.
Series one!! There are some holograms in series 2 but very common. Part of the set.
@@theloudcollector guy posted a picture in sportscard nonsense with a ripped series 2 pack he could be full of it
I recently tried to PSA my triple auto 50/50 hull lemieux gretzky card. I was only trying to get the autos authenticated (even though I know these are legit), however PSA would not authenticate the card as Upper Deck never released the 50/50 card with all 3 autos as the sigs were coordinated by a reseller afterwards. This gets into the other conversation where I was supposed to submit as a generic "trading card" for auto authentication and not a dual authentication. So even though that is a legit upper deck released 50/50 card, because Upper Deck never released as a triple auto, they wouldnt process the order. In PSA's view, this would create confusion if they authenticated it, suggesting that other hobbyists would somehow interpret PSA's authentication as validating UD actually released these triple autos themselves. I ended up just selling the card raw.
Yeah, we are learning all about this today. Apparently these were done by Ken Goldin's father as you'll see COA's out there referencing Paul Goldin and Scoreboard Inc.