The 16 Types - Inferior vs Dominant Function
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INFJ: realizes plans can frequently be collapsed by chaos, and so decides to develop Se and stop planning all the time.
Also INFJ: makes a long detailed plan to stop planning.
Well, as I have matured, have gotten into the habit of making plans with lots of wiggle room.
Wait this is me
I'm learning that when those unknowns hit, we should just take action. I found that trying to perfect that unknown into a known ends up being the factor which tears things apart, and taking action will prevent us overthinking ourselves into failure. And our intuition gives that action the guidance we would otherwise be continually second-guessing. This even applies to the little things.
Best way to beat that out of you is get into martial arts.
You need a bit of a plan in how to defeat your enemy, but you can't really strategize once you're in the ring. You HAVE to pivot your plans and next moves in real time amidst the chaos; which requires you to perceiving things as they are (Se).
@@dab0331 as an intj I will take your advice ✍️
1:13 - ENTP & ENFP (Ne/Si)
1:42 - INTP & ISTP (Ti/Fe)
2:10 - ENTJ & ESTJ (Te/Fi)
2:52 - ESTP & ESFP (Se/Ni)
3:49 - INFJ & INTJ (Ni/Se)
4:16 - ESFJ & ENFJ (Fe/Ti)
5:12 - ISFP & INFP (Fi/Te)
6:24 - ISTJ & ISFJ (Si/Ne)
Thank you
🙏🏼🙌🏼 The Lord’s work!!
ISTJ
Thanks!!
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INxJ's using Se against their Ni be like overcoming problems against problems that have problems which cause problems with the current problems we have.
Jumping with both feet into a rabbit hole, falling into the next one, climbing in and out of endless others - the art of thinking too much.
Absolutely right
😂 that's sound confusing🤣
Best description ever! xD (INFJ)
"Oh great, it caught my interest. Now I have to get the job done or else I'll end up being frustrated."
INTP: My internal experience differs a bit from that description. I *want* to communicate well, it's just that I seem to only have three options on how to do that:
- Be really precise and provide tons of context: Takes a ton of time and burdens the receiver with having to actually read through all of it, which depending on the context, many won't.
- Be quick and concise: One-way ticket to Being Misunderstood town, occasionally with a layover at Causing Unintentional Offense.
- Shut up: Works and is very consistent, but does have its downsides.
I prefer to believe that INTPs aren't actually any harder to understand than anyone else (at least when they want to be understood)... it's just that they're really sensitive to *being* misunderstood and go overboard with their attempts to avoid it.
Absolutely spot on.
I like to blame other people for expecting sound logic to be packaged in feels. The message is clear enough, easily understandable, but some people let their own feelings block them from taking it in.
What I've found, though, is that the people who know me well don't have those problems with communicating with me. My colleagues listen to me, and trust that whatever I say is said because I care about people, even if my inadequate display of emotion comes off as a somewhat unlikable attitude.
The only person who really complains is my daughter. She wishes I'd be able to be emotionally supportive, instead of always analysing her emotions and how they relate to the situation. But she's also realised that it's enough to tell me that she needs help whenever she's having turbid emotions, because I don't need any kind of introductory emotional story to understand that her need for help is real.
Okay, that was mostly tangents. Where was the point again?
Agreed
This is so true.
I have this same experience as an infj. It's like the concept I'm trying to convey is a tapestry. All the threads make a whole picture, but if you only show a few threads the big picture will be misunderstood.
If I tell more of the threads to make a more full picture, I will be lecturing. So, I generally remain quiet, or try to state a general summarized thesis statement of what I want to say and add the details if asked.
I think for ENXPs, having inferior Si isn't just a dislike of details, but also a lack of wanting to consistently work on something. Like goals, or basic life necessities. Knowing exactly what needs to be done and how to do it, but struggling to actually do it.
ooh this is good. i'm hyper aware of the small details, but trying to figure out how to do them stresses me out.
Yes. You can add to the list : disregarding routines and body physical needs.
~ ESFJ in Ne phase
You’re spot on. My friend is an enfj and she NEVER just tells me the raw truth. She’s always trying to make me and my other friends feel good and that’s awesome but she also sugarcoats our flaws and mistakes. She’s too nice.
As an inf-Fe I struggle with that too! I understand the need to package my suggestions nicely, but people just ignore them because I'm not direct enough. They'll take whatever I say as me agreeing with them, even if it's the opposite of my intention. When I try to be direct (not insulting) they get offended 🤦 I give UPPPPP 🤣
Here's another ENFJ agreeing with your comment. Yes we are too nice and sometimes it would be better to be more direct...
Basically, the point about excessive Fe usage for ExFJ lies in the limitation of the ability to influence everyone based on charm and sugar-coated messages (it’s just the reverse paradigm of excessive blunt Ti usage explained in the video). One would be at risk of being perceived as shallow, manipulative and/or just dumb.
Our current world might demand developing social skills and being able to interact with ppl. But it it also asking for a big sense of rationality. If you fail to demonstrate rational capabilities in a group, your opinion will not matter in any context requiring big decisions, for big decisions are often rational based one.
As an natural Fe dom, I’ve been triggered my sense of objectivity not being considered by others.
ISTP here, and this is incredibly accurate. I am almost always right (I don't mean it in a smug way) but people refuse my insights and suggestions all the time. It took me a while to realize that it was maybe because I had that "you're wrong" attitude. I think that is such an easy hole for us to fall into because I simply don't care what others think of me (only what they might do). But then it would make me very sad to see people get hurt over the things I warned them about. So I tried changing my wording and adapting the "here's a suggestion" attitude is really not as hard as I thought. The best thing is I love learning new things and gaining skills, so being even a little bit more people friendly opened me up to a whole another world I had been neglecting. Highly recommended.
I've learned not to give unsolicited advice. Unless someone is doing something that hurts themselves and/or others to the point that it bothers me, I stay quiet. My 'go-to' when I see ppl engaging in stupid behavior is, "Whatever works for you." We all have different strengths; understanding typology & cognitive fx stacks, I'm reminded that not everyone favors logic or critical thinking and that's ok. Live & let live, live & let die. Do you to the full!
Glad
I was just thinking about this yesterday, I'm an INFP but there are times when I have no choice but to act in an extroverted manner (if that makes sense) but at the same time it becomes confusing because I don't feel true to myself anymore. It's during rare moments where I have to wear a cloak and remind myself that I need to get stuff done, that feelings need to take a back seat.
Ria wow thanks for explaining. I’ve been struggling to understand this aspect of demon Te. It’s so true. Sometimes you just have to say no to that Fi, in order to fit in with the normal world. It feels so inauthentic and painful to the deepest part of your being. Even if it’s not a big deal, it feels like a big deal to me. But I guess that’s just because I haven’t learnt how to starve my Fi.
Yes, I often encounter this! I'm mostly procrastinative and shy and unproductive, but there's some days when I'm suddenly a blunt productive extrovert.
For Te dominants, sometimes, they get overwhelmed by their emotions, then they shut everyone out (a friend of mine did this). For Fe dominants, it is their mindset that somehow berates or belittles them. They feel like they are not competent enough, that they are not capable of finding a reason for their actions.
I think you divert the problems of the extraverted Deciders... their struggles are usually within themselves, not to people outside.
As an ENFJ I feel my inferior Ti alone makes me less confident than most people about what I consider to be true and logic. But the combination inferior Ti with dominant Fe adds another layer to it as you brilliantly put in this video. I'm a master in the art of sugarcoating 😂 except when I'm arguing about politics with strangers online 😂😂😂 anyway, it's hard to find this balance between making people feel good and say what you need to say sometimes, but as we age we get more opportunities to develop our tertiary and inferior functions...
I feel like Fe doms being Ti inferior can make actually them fail at harmonizing with the group due to being too agreeable or accepting. I think your analysis fits where if you're not direct or blunt at all many people will end up perceiving you as fake. It's like playing a game too safe. An Fe dom can be so focused on avoiding conflict that they don't have their own identities and opinions, and sometimes that's necessary for a social environment. That's my take on it at least.
Absolutley, Its ironically actually made things less harmonious, I know an ENFJ friend who is really kind and sweet, but he tends to overpromise and when he says he will do something, he says what he wants to do for the other person rather than what they can do, so it sorta got me suspicious of him because I thought he was purposefully lying and being fake, so while Fe doms are really nice and sweet, I hate it how they can look really fake and you cant really analyze them because you feel like theres a side you probably arent seeing
Fe doms can be very annoying to be around for extended periods of time (i.e. 10-12 hr work shift) bc you can clearly see how their poor use of logic and critical thinking renders their use of FE directionless & almost meaningless. In other words, it reveals how dense they are and you find yourself thinking, "The longer I'm around you, the dumber I get".
Yes... I've used my INFP flexibility to "act" in whatever way I needed to to reach "goals" (i.e., dreams). This meant method role playing a thinker to get through school. We can fake a more dominant Te when necessary... But it isn't comfortable even with positive reinforcement.
Sometimes it's fun, tho.
Being around an ENTJ has helped... and opened my eyes about how shady common ppl are. So, definitely something to be gained from exploring the inferior function. Even if you kinda had to hack it by watching someone who already had that function as their dominant one.
This is a very interesting comment because I'm torn between INTJ and INFP and don't know whether it's because I got better at Se or Te. Can you say more about faking a more dominant Te? What does that look like?
@@CE-do2vm , idk. My father was an ISTJ, and I watched him a lot at work when I was young. However, I think I may have been more of an ISFP back then, as children are often sensory oriented I think...
Anyway, when I'm in a work setting, I can fall into that ISTJ role easily and am annoyed with ppl who "play" and talk at work. It's an internal value thing, but kinda thinking... It's confusing to try to explain. I still procrastinate, but often for good reason, when a true Te would just deal with whatever the issue was (that made me procrastinate) quickly. They know how to make that stuff disappear, whereas I get hung up on it trying to get it resolved "properly"? Still, when the Te comes out, it's a quicker than usual Te Dom annoyance at group inefficiency (coz I already know that scheduled meeting is going to be a huge waste of time, because it FEELS annoying when I've been in them in the past) or a quicker annoyance at ppl "playing" when they should be doing their work. It goes deeper than Te... But rather than do the INFP stiffle and hide avoidance thing, sometimes I just come out and call ppl on their bs and inefficiency for a change, even tho I know they'll turn all petty and punish me for it eventually. But, there's that feeling that is ENTJ in flavor where I'm like, "You know what? Who wants to be around this petty, common, backstabbing trash anyway? I have talents they'll never value or realize, I should be running this joint if anything! That supervisor is an idiot! If they can't appreciate me, and want to play reality show gang warfare at work over some comment they didn't even understand, forget them! I can do better!" Tho... I'd never say that aloud, and my thoughts aren't even in words.
IDK if that helps? Prolly not, soz.
@@CE-do2vm, also, to complicate matters, I had very good vision/eye sight until recently. I was always looking at things, fascinated with beauty, aesthetics, and colors... So I've often wondered why Se is so low on the list. I'm intuitive for sure, tho, I can't remember lists or directions, forgetful of short-term memory things, but good with long-term memory. I think in pictures and just knowing things. So, I've been hung up on Se, as well. I'm an INFP who enjoys looking at things. But, not an ISFP, because... it's complicated.
INFJs depends on the stability of the picture they keep in mind. Which in turn depends on the predictability of the situation. If the situation starts to change intuition floods INFJ with new insights interfering with the execution of the plan. Sometimes INFJ feels the need to share insights with people when he has doubts about their validity, expecting that it will either help to stabilize the situation (if it depends on other people) or in the hope for additional support.
INTP. Whenever I fell for a guy, my thinking would get messed up, especially in my 20s and 30s. It was a scary feeling because it felt out of control. As I got older I’d rather prefer being single. My mind is much calmer not emotionally entangled. Even being with family can feel too taxing on my nerves.
I can relate......definitely. INTP here.
For enfjs and esfjs... they're often the first ones in any group to point out when someone is acting unreasonable and correct them through fe-ti. When they're really mad at someone they will often point everything that's wrong with you and how stupid you are.(It's awesome like they rehearsed a script for it... almost like how an istp or intp would give logical reasoning) And they get really butthurt when someone treats them like a stupid person. They're also really good at explaining/teaching/mentoring people for a job...it's like ti coming out through fe(That's why they make great managers, project leaders, teachers etc).
The downside of having Fe lead and Ti inferior would be deciding themselves through their own logic and limited perspective what the social norms are and how people should act...without verifying it through external sources(also they demand respect from people because they're so nice) and then getting hurt over why people won't be nice to them or misinterpret something as disrespect towards them, which might lead them to lash out or sink in that bad Fi.
This is what i have seen atleast.
a pretty late reply but HOLY SHIT.... im literally speeclesh HOW DO YOU KNOW ME, i MEAN noo... but THIS DESCRIBE ME TOOO WELL, ITSSS SCARYYYYY HOLLLYYYY
This is really me lol
This is exactly why I avoid ESFJ'S at all costs.
Bleak -- as an INTP I think people sometimes think that I am dishonest. Just because I don't want to tell somebody something doesn't make it untrue when I end up having to explain it. My external environment doesn't often correlate to my internal processes and that means I often am misunderstood when people observe me, my environments, and interactions. Furthermore, my other big struggle is often neatly explaining my thoughts. I tend to say something and then doubt myself because people look at me bewildered. Then I struggle to explain the steps as to how I got there, because I may have been thinking about it for days. Not sure if that made any sense. I think this works in the same way for ISTPs who are mistaken for being manipulative.
“A true thing, poorly expressed, IS a lie”
Stephen Fry
You're a gift to society.
Stephen Fry was wrong. The truth is always the truth, regardless of the packaging. If you don't like the way it is expressed, that would be your problem.
@@brownin329 I agree. The quote is just a complaint - without providing a reason - that someone didn't like the delivery. Usually wjen this happens, it is because people want to disagree with something but they cannot provide an argument
To put it in a nutshell: the quote is displaying hipocrisy and nothing more
@Luce M it will not be a lie. It will be a harsh truth immature people are unable to accept.
Nathan, my experience with lead Fe's (I'm a lead Ti, so I have a great admiration for their command of that function I'm not very good at) is the following. They're inclined to be taken advantage of by people who abuse their conciliatory nature, and what's needed is Ti reasons to say "no, you're in the wrong here, go away."
I'm an ENFJ...I don't exactly dislike conflicts, especially because of my upbringing, but I'm constantly trying to find nice ways to say unpleasant things, and many times it makes the point I'm trying to convey not come across clearly. However, I've come to discover that most people eventually here these things from others, so I'm always just happy to be the fun one who creates harmony 😂😂😂
As an inferior Fe, I hold back from wielding that Ti truth for fear of being resented or experiencing backlash. I'd rather ppl learn lessons on their own or from others than resent me for sharing truths they may not be receptive to that may or may not help/benefit them. Whatever works for you.
Brilliant insights, young man. Yeah, the strict adherence to Ni visions is what people call rigidity. When external Se circumstances have changed, yet I am still blindly pursuing my Ni vision, I usually say, "Oh, the paradigm has shifted" It is akin to an Ni visionary who sets out to build the best vacuum tube ever. 7 years and 5 million dollars later he realizes the market has shifted towards sillicon chips, drats.
I think for EXFJs without much use of Ti, they tend to be accepting of questionable or bad behaviour. ENFJs Ni-Se seems to help in the process of developing more use of Ti at least.
I think it might be harder for ESFJs. I had an ESFJ friend who had a bf who was outright controlling and rude to her but she was defending him after complaining about what he does and resorted to doing things behind his back. She stopped speaking to me after she knew what I was going to say and continued saying the same things to a mutual friend (who was more comforting than I was). It sucked but I didn't know how to help her.
Hmmm. I’m not sure about ESFJ and ENFJ. I think the imbalance of Fe and Ti is true in terms of bluntness, but that feels more like Te to me, not Ti. Ti concerns itself with personal reasons as opposed to personal values (Fi), so sometimes Fe doms may struggle to stop sometimes and realize: “wait, why am I helping this person again? What are the legitimate REASONS as to why I’m helping?” as opposed to just instinctively harmonizing people’s values. The “tribe over individual” aspect of De doms (ENTJ, ENFJ, ESTJ, ESFJ) often relate their demons to struggling with themselves INTERNALLY (Fi and Ti) regarding values and reasons respectively, meaning, in the long run, these types may lose touch with their own personal subconscious motivations (values and reasons), which to me, is equally as important as Te and Fe. You’re right about getting through life with Fe being essential, but this video perhaps felt like a Te more than Ti to me. But nonetheless, you’re still correct regarding Fe’s hesitation in tough love.
Interesting take. To add to it, I'd say Ti focus on ensuring an action makes sense in the first place, so that you don't spend time, effort and resources on something that is doomed to fail before it even begins. So, an Fe dominant may not only lose touch to their own motivations, but also to why they thought their course of action was sensible or justified.
I would say being too much Fe simply causes you never to have your own stance, your own logic, and you do everything in the name of everyone, rather than yourself.
Very interesting and useful. As an ENFP, I do see the details sometimes, and then I'm consumed (blissfully) by them....but only in the projects that absolutely fascinate me. It tends to be detail that specifically supports a project or goal that has tremendous personal value to me. It's when my Fi and Ne are working together, sizzle sizzle, that I tap into my Si. It's never about making money, it's always about creating something beautiful. :)
Thank you very much for your effort, I can always go back to your videos whenever my thoughts gets a little bit chaotic about MBTI, trully appreciated
As an ENFP I must confess it is so hard for me to take my SI seriously. So many times I see the big picture of what needs to be done so completely that the idea of checking or the small details seems downright offensive. Then I misfile key data under "N" and not "M" or miss a filing deadline, knowing full well I filled those forms week ahead of schedule, but did not hit the "SUBMIT" key. I'm told to slow down but going fast usually works for me...until it doesn't 🤦🏾♀️
Resonates with me 100% *banghead*
If I slow down and get bogged in the details, I won’t get things done in the same way. I have always been baffled how the systems and procedures people have time to factor in all their checking and organisation? 🤯🤷🏻♀️ but secretly, I still think I am better and produce brighter results (until I don’t... damn)
@@Mellyouttaphase I totally agree 100%!. I think it away my problem is I see so much of the big picture, like like how to create a online meeting, and then, I'll forget to invite the key note speaker 🤦🏾♀️ for that meeting. Next thing I know I've got a room full of people waiting for some amazing lecture but the person giving a lecture isn't there because I didn't send them the invite. 🤷🏾♀️ I don't think Si Doms have that problem. On the other hand, I like how fast I move as an Ne Dom. And although I need to work on developing my Si I wouldn't change my cognitive function stack for the world!
Okay I feel like you just walked into my brain and stole my words. We are definitely of the same type. Nice to meet you my ENFP sibling
Detailed vid - love it! Over the years I definitely have continued to soften how I express my logical insights.
Growth is key for all of us...maximize our potential in all MBTI types.
I don't think Ti dominant vs. Fe inferior was expressed extremely enough. It's not only who will listen; it's what is the point of being so smart if you aren't going to use that knowledge to help people?
It's about being discerning regarding who to share knowledge with bc not everyone is ready or receptive to what you have to share. But yes, thanks for that reminder to pass it on and not hold on to it, keeping it only to/for oneself. Write a book, a blog, start a podcast, etc.
Great ideas... I really appreciate your channel.Regarding (4:16 - ESFJ & ENFJ (Fe/Ti). It definitely is hard to give tough love to someone you love. I think that is the case for over a half of the personalities. What the Fe does over the Ti is making certain decisions harder. For example ENFJ personalities will make a decision that is illogical knowing full well that it is illogical, simply by allowing the Fe to be more dominant or the decider.
Lots in here to digest, Nathan. Thank you.
Loving the growth of the channel
I was actually thinking about this since morning!
Nice, I needed this
I don't think ESFJ's and ENFJ's have that much difficulty in allowing themselves to convey when they're upset, at least not with their inner circle. The problem with Ti can happen when they automatically assume that the reason communication broke down was a lack of shared values rather than the broad range of other factors that cause conflicts to occur, many of which may be situational and based on logistics or some other benign obstacle. When EXFJ's guilt others rather than problem-solving, it prevents them from achieving harmony, the goal of their dominant function. Maybe this is more of a problem in less healthy EXFJ's though.
ENFJ here and I found this mind-blowing!
Ugh how many times have I tried to explain this to my ENFJ in these exact same words and got guilted right away for being cold and trying to problem solve. They literally create problems because they're trying to avoid confrontations and this just doesn't sit well with me as an ENTP.
Whoa, how does the sentiment often expressed by Se doms (with regards to what to focus on) resonate so strongly for me as an INTP with Se polar?
A solid vid, once again!! 🙏
I really enjoy this series discussing the functions
ENFJ & ESFJ: depending on the person they can either be confrontational or not, really. But the one way that i've seen inferior Ti manifest is the unquestioning of facts and beliefs, or what's right for you and just going with what everyone says in the moment. If one hasn't integrated Ti, there is a certain level of disregard for personal accountability for their own thoughts and lines of logic. However when one learns to use Ti to spot inconsistencies in thinking, they become increasingly quicker at coming up with their own arguments, and often, criticisms. I wouldn't say that I'm too nice since I've never had trouble telling people what I think with the right tact, but often I just haven't come up with anything, my Ti is not razor sharp.
Amazingly explaind, thanks!
Great video, Nathan!
Hahaha .. Ne Si .. so damned true.. I honestly go WHERE THE FUCK DID THAT COME FROM..then I'm like that's soooooo much effort..moves on.. then it starts again ..
Good points, and I'm glad you called Fi "individualism" because at least I can stomach that, whereas "individual preferences" and "individual values" make me physically ill for some reason. They seem trivial and irrelevant to solving life's problems, which is why we have a brain, right? Whereas everyone has to be an individual. I'm not even aware of my values and preferences, and I am always absorbing other people's values and preferences. The way I was brought up was to process other people's feelings and make them feel okay about whatever those are. I am an emotions processing plant (sort of like a sewage processing plant, and other people have compared me to that), which may be the only thing that other people like and value about me, and which has subsequently the one thing that has brought meaning to my life even though it makes me feel like a slave. Maybe I'm being demented (feel free to tell me so) but what demon would create such a creature?
Spot on! I really appreciate you sharing your insights. You are too smart for your own good. I imagine you hear that a lot. 😅
Also, I’d argue that *when* ESxPs channel their energy into a vision, they’re unstoppable. The way you’ve said it in this video makes it sound like we’re incapable of doing that 😇. I think I know what you meant, though... If you were to take a large group of ESxPs, this recurring theme would present itself... We’re too caught up in the here and now...
My mom's an ESFJ, and you were spot on.
Very insightful.
as an ENFJ, the area that inferior Ti massively interferes with is my objectivity. Having Ti as my inf function doesn't allow me to look at certain situations or people with enough objectivity as they should be looked at through, which I find can get in the way of some important decision-making opportunities.
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I'm an ENFJ, and yeah, it's hard to feel like you are missing a function when you're the idea gatherer. It's a habit of mine to ask people for their opinion, then my Ni takes it from there. If I'm adapting to something on the fly, Introverted Judgment is good enough usually. Really my biggest weakness is lack of focus, personally. I get too caught up in 'side quests'.
such an interesting, helpful, concrete example-d video!
Hey idk if you already did this or not, but it would maybe be cool if you could do some videos for each type on how to tell if they are in their shadow function. I think with everything going on its extremely common. If not.. great video as always :)
Love this video except it would be even better if you wrote an on screen visual for the type you’re speaking about to help the viewer absorb information better. Keep up the good work!
Absolutely!
You nailed the resolution thing!
I think for me as an INFP this is accurate, I chicken out on being inner self around others, I end up being that stereotypical invisible INFP wallflower rather than the confident unique person I am in my head.
Estp part is 110% true! I heard me say 3:40 at least a million times😅
Thanks for the video, it was a very good one!
As an INTP, I've worked SO much on Fe. Even so, it's a challenge. I spend more time laying the long-term groundwork with specific people then I've been inclined to in the past, trying to show that I care about them in ways they'll understand so that when it matters, I can speak hard truths and they might be more receiving. It's often exhausting but produces better results... Sometimes... Because when it comes down to it, there are often a dozen things I don't see and wind up tripping over in my pursuit to explain something effectively without offending others.
With ENFJs in overwhelming situations or social drama it seems to me at least that they have trouble appraising things objectively and are very attached to everything happening around them. Despite their seemingly eternal capacity for emotion this does eventually wear them down. I find myself helping with drama despite my distaste for it.
I'm an INTJ so I don't often have massive/ visible emotional reactions to things, and being blunt/brutally honest is my natural mode. So, an ENFJ friend of mine will run social situations by me for a detached perspective and translate my blunt statements into polite remarks with similar sentiments. (Ex: "Gossip about mutual friends is divisive and cruel" ->/Fe filter/ -> "Maybe we shouldn't gossip about people we care for")
my best friend is an enfj and that struggle with tough love couldn't be truer, with so many people around her regardless of how close they are or not she struggles with clearly defining her standards/boundaries, explaining your limitations can be done without being stand-off ish but i think in her mind no matter how she phrases them it will come out as socially insensitive so she doesn't at all, or at least very rarely unless it's in indirectly or hidden beneath passive aggressiveness
Great video, at a few moments i lost track of what types were being talked about. If you could put the types ur discussing on screen before, or in a corner during ur talking about them that would be awesome.
There is a time stamp above
I'm an ENFJ, and yes. Tough love is the last thing I want to put forth! It feels sick!
~ENFJ
Thank you for this video!!! This is one of the, if not the, first video(s) I’ve been able to watch multiple times over: beyond satisfying work.
🤣😂 Also, I would just like to know if maybe le aforementioned doggo only goes when they think they can get’em & really enjoy trying to scare them away?
I like looking at you. It's insanely funny.
@Lapislazuli He reminds me of Linguini from the movie, Ratatouille. 😂
he looks cool af cmon ,love how much effort he is putting into making sure everything he said is as accurate and understandable as possible
ThAt hAir
The eyebrows too XD it's thicker than mine XD
Ti/Ne here. Great video. This particular topic has my grip these days. I've thought about it EXTENSIVELY.
So, for me, when I am not satisfied emotionally (eg not having enough friends, that number is still very low but still) it fucks up my thinking. Specifically it turns away from my problems and focuses it on the small stuff. Example: I'll use my Ti on everything unimportant such as making my room more useful to me or play a game better, but not use it to make better life choices. It is like it is turned off on actual problems.
Anyone else with the same experience?
The Ti - Fe one relates to me when interacting with strangers about existential topics online. However, I also relate to the Te - Fi one in relation to in-person interactions. My tritype is 835 which I heard only ENTJs and ISTPs fall into. No idea of my MBTI
A bit of a long comment, but I think you're getting used to them by now :P
This is true for me (INFJ), I need to make a conscious effort to take in all the facts because my Ni neglects them because they don't 'fit the vision' or simply says "I can ignore them because they are not relevant" when in fact a small detail can predetermine the outcome of the entire process. I'd say the plan/vision falls apart because it doesn't work in the real world. In other words, Ni can drive a vision that is not palpable which results in its failure to realisation. This can happen by over dedicating to said plan/vision (stubbornness), refusing to let go of said plan/vision.
I don't think it's lack of adaptability, because I consider myself quite adaptable (this is subjective, depends how you measure adaptability), when I am less adaptable is when I really want things a certain way regardless of them being plausible (I had experienced this) and I am most adaptable when I keep on open mind. Allowing for a new plan/vision to be formed by taking into consideration everything that has happened thus far, basically make the previous plan/vision an iteration of what's next. This is where my Ni and my Se work in tandem, and are the most active I think. It's a beautiful experience that I went through a few times, it's like the world becomes more clear and you can just feel your brain working and remodeling (or updating an existing model) the world based on this new information.
I think the key for Ni doms is to recognise that the grand vision/plan is not absent of death because new information can emerge which can drastically change direction, regardless of how pretty or great the vision is. The moment you recognise that the vision/plan can die and a new one can be made you also recognise that change is part of realising said vision (even through it changes), the core of the vision (which ironically enough, is not visible) remains the same, the details surrounding it are the ones that in fact change with time. This is where Se is really powerful because it accumulates palpable information that can be stacked and when the vision/plan needs changing, that's when the entire Se stacked information comes in really handy. It can actually make a dramatic impact on how the Ni dom sees the world by marking the initial plan/vision more robust, palpable and down-to-earth. It makes it more possible.
I don't think the Se is messing up the Ni, it's rather the Ni ignoring the Se loud signals telling it 'the plan' doesn't work and it's time for 'a new plan'. This ignorance can be paid in a good amount of negative emotion and losing a sense of meaning depending on how long this has been going on. I think a good advice for Ni doms, at least what I would tell a much younger self, is to stay present for as much as it is possible, not too draining, pay attention to what is going on and integrate this information with the Ni from time to time. The immediate and expedient is not always a good choice, you have to look at things in the long term and this is where Ni shines and can actually help prevent going down paths that cause harm in the long run.
Thank you, just thank you! This is really helpful.
I worked with and ENFJ manager and an ESFJ supervisor not too long ago. Neither sought out confrontation. In fact I'd say that they both disliked it and were both a bit incompetent at it. However, when they had to do it, at least at work, they would both bite the bullet and do sort of a poor job of it. What do I mean by a poor job? They let problems fester for too long. They expressed their displeasure in ways that were slightly explosive and a little more emotional than seemed relevant, as if they'd been stuffing. When the final confrontation took place, it was usually quite dramatic and with less-than-ideal attention to practical matters.
Hey Nathan, it is fun when you use videos to start a collaborative dialogue on a topic... don’t have much to say on this one but gotta feed Algor. 👀 Starting with an overview of the 8 pairs would have been helpful tho - you know, for the uninitiated. 🧶 Cheers! 🖤
That one sticky-out strand of hair, haha.
I thought I was an INTP but I relate so much to inferior SE. Could you possibly do a video explaining in detail the differences between the inferior function and PoLR for each type because I also relate to SE PoLR as well. Thanks.
Great prospective 💯👌oh that damn Ti in ENFJ... well... let me explain...hmmm....how to get it right...logically Ye...well might get back to you on this on 😳😂There you have it😩🤪😂
if you have inferior si you might have had that phase where you thought you were gluten intolerant
I am ENFJ and i'd say that what is a bigger struggle than being blunt is making sense of something on the spot.
Being EIE in socionics, which is beta type, i can be quite harsh or blunt, if appropriate.
But when talking to people and getting my logic criticized i may end up simply rambling incoherent things that any high T user would roll their eyes at.
Another thing to notice with infeiror is that compared to the Polr it's close, but not the same.
Since Ti supplements Fe but is weak for me, i appreciate those who can make sense of ideas and systems, to find logical truth. Inferior is valued, polr is not.
Polr is weak and unvalued and ends up being a weak spot because of neglect.
As an ENFJ, I believe that my NI allows me to be honest to people to shake them, & makes me want people to get them out of their box. Maybe my Se helps with this, because I don't feel afraid of change. I would rather say that I believe my Ti sometimes helps to regulates my over intuition, but if the TI doesn't pop up, I can convince myself about very abstract/false truth.
INTP:
Yes, I think you described my daily experience
i'm an enfp but i relate more to the infp one.
Geez i was just doing the what he said about the entp 😂
esfj here. definitely feel like a red pill blue pill situation when using ti. everybody's subconscious gets shook up n look crazy.
As an Infj living with two Sensors, I get looked at with a *wtf? quite often .
true definition for nightmare
ISFP. I can be quite stubborn at times, but I might not like it but I do feel have a pretty good grasp of the inferior Te. There seems to be a need for support workers in the current work climate, I initially went against it, but I'm starting to think that maybe that is the way to go. No harm in trying it, if I don't like it, there are other areas to explore. I have a son with an intellectual disability, so there's no doubt that I can do it, the desire isn't there. Nowadays everything is about qualifications, certificates and what not. I'm not adverse to studying, I have a Bachelor of Science, afterall, lol
as an ESFJ, Ti totally messes me up, cause when i finally get the courage to use it, i ended up saying something that sounds exactly the way i didnt wanted to sound.
i'd disagree on the inadaptability of intjs. as one, i've learned adaptability helped me greatly, was even necessary over time.
Intp part was quite interesting. Would you say that’s why intp/infp or intj have hard times with dull conversations or ones that don’t involve philosophical or scientific questions and theories? Idk good video btw🙃
I'm not sure I see the connection between what is said in the video and your insight. Could you elaborate? Thanks!
I MP What he mentioned about Intp & istp, I just made comparisons to other personality types (like the ones I mentioned in the comment) who also give insights or ideas yet those ideas don’t seem to be expressed well enough for people to agree to or understand. Similar to the quote, “insight can fall on deaf ears”.
I can see why my question was a bit off topic to the video. I’m mainly comparing personality traits more than functions.
On ENFJs and ESTJs, its not just that they may sometimes need to be disagreeable. I don't think they usually have a problem doing that, if they feel they need to. Lacking Ti more crucially means that whatever they are doing may just be completely disconnected from how reality works.
Me as an ISTJ with Si - Ne axis. Sometimes I see something sparks my curiosity (Ne), and I want to "know what it is" (Si), it can turn out some bizarre, and even detrimental, harmful, wacky source of 'data' (Si) as a form of manga, story,... you named it, and it disrupted Si build-up system, causing it from wandering and not working well, absent-minded, brain fog, to completely shut Si down and go out of its wacky way. That's when ISTJ psyche in trouble, that's when the psyche becomes intrusive, compulsive, obsessive.
I went through it and now I must be very careful about the 'data' I take my time in, to prevent those intrusive, wandering images could be created in my head unconsciously, uncontrolled. That's how, sometimes easier said than done, but have to be that way.
The more growth, the more I know I have to inject Ne more in life when needed. To think openly, look in different perspective, not rigid, find another way. A balance psyche, or a healthy personality/person needs to balanced out their first and last functions, to actualize and apply their potential for development with time.
I feel like as an INTP, my inferior function can kinda manifest in a weird way, It isnt necassarily being blunt or rude, but its actually me getting overstressed about it, If I have a problem with someone I fail to communicate it well, but also it really bothers me not knowing how to fit in or be a good friend, I really just dont know how people work or what they want
This has lead me to actually tend to be too focused on harmony with some friends because I dont know how to fix my own emotional issues or feeling like I cant be forgived, so its sorta messed me up sometimes at not understanding how people can forgive someone without a logical reason, and I tend to overthink situations and can get overly upset if I have a conflict with a friend I usually never have one with
Even though I do have an issue with sometimes looking like I don’t care about something or seeming too blunt or rude, Inferior Fe tends to show up as a security and source of stress rather than a oblivious function
Sometimes if I do something wrong I can also be way too pushy on wanting to make up for it, and it bothers/worries me when people just forgive me and excuse my faults
Lurking in shadows...check.
Inferior Fi works differently, what is on your video is Fe problem :)
Fi inferior is:
a) struggling to prioritize the tasks (all tasks are equal, and EVERYTHING has to be done (NOW!!!)) and weeding out what is important and what is not;
b) doing what you have to do rather then what you want to do;
c) achieving something because it is perceived as valuable rather then seeking what is valuable that will bring along the achievement;
d) Agreeing with valid arguments/ reasons that make sense but make you feel sick on the inside.
I’m still having problems with my personality type.
What does it mean if I do what I want to do instead of doing what I have to do? I’ve always struggled with school because when I don’t want to do something I just simply don’t do it.
Is that Fi inferior?
@@celiasdream145 "xSxP" was probably you!!
I really like your videos and would therefore give some well meant feedback, as a gift 😊The thing is that I get lost because you are not using any pauses. I am analysing and taking in everything you say and sometimes you quickly jump to another cognitive function and then I am lost. Especially if I am doing something else than concentrating heavily on the video.
See it as chapters in a book, where there are space between the lines, chapters and so on. We can talk in a high speed but still have some pauses 😊
If you use pauses I think you will reach an even bigger variety of people 😊❤
Thank you for your analysis!
Kr ENTJ
Great video.
Dominant! oh, wait wrong video
For ENTPs, inferior Si means "oh crap, i see all those details, but it takes a lot of my energy to include them in my plan... Can we skip??"
It's so weird having strong individualism as a result of my dominant trait, but being unable to make it alone. I feel hopeless.
ENTJ reply - Actually, I would say that we are quite good with managing humans and being aware of their emotions (just enough coddling to "motivate them" *read as "get them out of their feelings"* ). However, accepting that we too are humans and susceptible to BETA moments like, overwhelming feelings, burn out, tiredness, physical limitations, or crying... can be MUCH more difficult. It's one thing for other's to be weak... almost expected... but not us (not Alphas). Some personalities take pride in being smart. I take pride in "Standing up", "pushing through", and "being strong".
I beg to differ with you regarding "being good with managing humans". What ETJs are good at is managing the tasks that humans perform (workflow, operations). Most humans working under you despise and resent your approach to management, hence, my point about you being 'good' at managing tasks, workflow, operations, etc versus actual humans😅. Y'all get s*hit done and are the kings & queens of efficiency but it comes at a cost to the humans actually doing the work. To an ETJ, you're viewed as a human-doing rather than a human being. That said, if there's a goal/objective, quota, etc to be met, an ESTJ will almost always be my no. 1 pick to get it done.
Also, it makes sense that you have Fe demon considering you have a hard time accepting your own humanity with 'BETA moments: burnout, emotions, crying etc' (Fi inferior). This explains why Te doms disregard the humanity in others with such ease and callousness; you do it to yourselves so you expect that others operate the same way or you think it's ok when in fact, others are different in that they love and value themselves. Makes me sad thinking about it.
The INTJ Sensory is a PITA at times lol.
PITA?
@@brownin329 Pain in the ass. lol
Bro having fe being a dominant function or high usage of it is a double edged sword. That ti inf is dangerous to where it makes me feel sick sometimes. It’s usually bottled up with clear passive aggression like you know I’m mad but I don’t say or do anything about it till I just can’t take it no more. Usually it’s lashing out pointing out how someone has done me wrong and trying to personally attack or guilt trip simply to make them feel something on the same level as what I’m feeling. I think fe users fear and highly admire introverted thinking or well at least I do. I would like to be more objective and think things through and how things work and my own personal reasons for things. But I’ll admit to the ones I actually care about I don’t like being critical. I know sometimes people need to hear the hard truth to something god knows I do but dishing it out is a bit harder than taking it sometimes. Trying to use ti makes me look like a dumb fool more than usual. It’s like I’m being someone I’m not so falling into a grip of ti is just such a silly event. I’d stress out and overthink and analyze about any pattern I can find and use it to describe the events that are happening to me and why they are. If only I could do that same thing but on a more healthy level when I’m not losing my shit.
I need a chart of functions to get through this
I'm a bit confused between the difference of the inferior and polar functions... O_o? It seems like they're both something that is lacking / being ignored by the specific personality so I'm wondering what's the main difference.
Nathan, please help me out here. I have some serious deja vu going on with this video, including the bit about dogged determination. So either you've re-released an old video or I'm in some kind of funky creepy time loop...
Inferior Se makes me really hate surprise(if it comes from outside, not made by me), its even worse than failure.
Some Esfjs ti has no problem, cz 3rd ne gears their ti, almost like pseudo entp
How do you find sincerity in an fe user?
(INTJ) Why did we get off so easily compared to the other types?
That's it. I want an ISFJ in my life. That is not a lot to ask for, is it?