GM BANNED FOR CHEATING?!?!?!
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As of 1 hour ago, on May 6, 2024, the alleged owner of this account, GM Brandon Jacobson, has posted on Reddit and says he is innocent. Wow. I will post an update video soon!
isnt it 3 am in nyc now??
If he is innocent, let him play OTB against Naroditsky and magically lose all the games
You will have to make a 30 minute video to read his reply lol
@@garbanzo2687He's a good player man
Yep.. just read it.
Kramnik jumping for joy rn
Out of all the chess memes, I never expected Kramnik to be the longest living one. Interesting
I find this meme very interesting, this meme made me laugh 96 times ou of 98 times. The ratio is very high. I think it might be very interesting to everyone
@@noysam3570 hans neimann is by far the longest living meme. there are still idiots spamming "the chess speaks for itself" at every mention of his existence
@noysam3570 I think because whenever we think Kramnik is finally done ranting about cheaters in chess, he drops another bombshell. But, I agree that the Hans Niemann memes were bigger, but that cheating scandal is over a year old now
from* joy
Hikaru should do a speedrun with this opening just to piss Kramnik off.
YOOOOO up this a lot
I just wanna see Kramnik's reaction video. Or more accurately the clips from it
doesn't matter kramnik was still proven right that there are lots of cheaters on the GM level and they are blatantly cheating
@@1boo I don't follow the chess scene very closely, were there other GM's we know for a fact were cheating? One is not the same as many, and I don't think anyone was ever under the impression that there were 0 GM's cheating.
@@1booLOL no he wasn't proven right, he was proven to be a paranoid old man who doesn't understand statistics
I love that "Magnus getting drunk" is a plausible explanation
If this did not include alcohol (or LSD...) I'd be surprised.
Back in high school, my friends and I used to get together during the weekends, order a bunch of pizzas, get drunk and play games like CS, CoD, or grind Runescape. We are around our 30 now, live far apart, but still do basically the same through discord every once in a while. I can 100% imagine 2 GMs just hanging out in discord, getting drunk together and blasting through dozens of chess matches, practicing endgames till the morning.
@@lepsek 👮♂️
4:20 "are they smurfing?"
imagine being so strong that playing against Daniel Naroditsky is smurfing 💀
It doesn’t matter who ur playing against, smurfing is still smurfing
@@spartapros2120 Not every alt account means smurfing.
There are really not many people who can pretend they are "only" a 3100 player while actually being higher rated@@spartapros2120
@@spartapros2120 That's exactly what smurfing means. It does very much matter who you are playing against. Maybe you should look up the definition of smurfing.
Dude's rating was 3100, how is that a smurf? Only Hikaru or Carlsen can smurf to 3100, and even still, against Danya, a smurf would be Stockfish.
Kramnik calling up all his high school bullies to say “told you so”
This is a good one
Twist: It was Kramnik
@@justin4203and he did it to "gather data"
@@justin4203🤣🤣🤣🤣
it probably WAS Kramnik trying to prove his point
He sacrificed... HIS REPUTATION!
the reputation gambit...
Underrated comment
@@Fusion237?
Interesting...
What reputation? Nobody knows who the cheater is :D Reputation was definitely NOT sacrificed (at least yet)
Get Daniel into the studio and talk about his experience on this. He obviously must’ve kept playing, knowing what he was up against, and taking the challenge.
I agree. Anybody 1600+ can pretty much tell in a few moves that they're playing against a cheater.
Cool seeing you here! Have you ever thought of making a synthesizer/sequences out of a chessboard? Maybe steps travel from A-H, and notes are 1-8 and the pieces and positions control the sounds?
Wow Cuckoo, you're also a chess fan?! You should make some backing tracks for chess games!
Was wondering the same thing, maybe Danya and this account agreed to play a weird opening and then wire in Stockfish moves.
I'd love to hear his thoughts on this, so strange
Danya is probably one in like 1% of GMs who in this case think "well how often do you get to play a high level player who is using stockfish, might as well see if I can win some games and learn something for myself"
what a gigachad
Except he wasn't using stockfish. The owner of viih_sou is Brandon Jacobson, a legitimate grandmaster who specialises in blitz
@@massivecowbreakout7555
could be. but Im leaning more towards him using some kind of engine, wouldnt get banned for no reason, even if you are being as generous as possible you gotta admit this is beyond suspicious
@@nbassasin8092 No measure of human behaviour is that reliable. So long as the guilty are punished, it is inevitable that at least some innocents will be mistakenly punished alongside them.
Is this an example of that? It's literally impossible to know for certain. That is _why_ it's impossible to guarantee the innocent will be exonerated. Without magical psychic powers, there will always be uncertainty and edge cases between certain guilt and certain innocence.
Anyone who is truly an expert in reading and predicting people will acknowledge this as one of the most important things for any aspiring people-reader to learn. Anyone who claims to be able to read people _reliably_ is a charlatan.
@@massivecowbreakout7555 . Jacobson is a known cheater. Look it up.
@@massivecowbreakout7555 His fide score is 2400 in blitz but his performance is like 2800. I doubt even Hikaru could play like that
10:42 “and if you open your eyes, daniel naroditsky- DANYA HAD NOTHING REMAINING”
i thought no one else noticed it lol
Yeah what was that weird cut?
Yeah why was it cut tho?
Yeah anyone know why was it cut?
He took a smoke break, trust me
GM banned for cheating. Levy is going to become a GM. It's all coming together now!
the GM position is opening up for levy
Its you once again
He's got an open file to become a GM
That's actually a badass opening, i rly hope this guy isn't a cheater and just a genius underdog haha
To the frat boys of chess officialdom, it does not matter.
I think he cheated.
Definitely cheated
I don't think he cheated
@@A_dzure me neither... His reddit post confirms a lot of the suspicions i had about him not being a cheater, the odds and probabilities are in his favor by a big margin
10:42 what? Levi knows how to edit
😂
😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Perfecet
imagine if danya drops like 150 elo, then grind again the ladder to retrieve his elo, then receives a message from the website "you were granted +150 elo after a cheater was banned" xD would have been a way to reach a peak elo
I don't think it works that way, they would have to recalculate all the following games with the new rating and nothing will change then ...
You don’t gain back all the elo you lose from a cheater. For example, a regular game you would lose 8 elo, but I’ve only ever gotten 2-5 elo returned for losing to cheaters. I have never had the full loss of the elo refunded.
The law of conservation of elo forbids these types of manipulations.
and he sacrificed.....HIS ACCOUNT!!!
I haven't noticed it being here before, but having the board to grey for when Levy makes hypothetical moves is a nice addition
it's featured in like every one in three videos or so, I always get annoyed when it's turned off. so useful.
Same. I like it too.
It's like that in every video.
9:11 wow that's subtle
Daniel Lives near me. I've bumped into him a few times. The first time I geeked out and you could tell he was not used to be recognized.
awesome! have you played chess together?
What is his address?
@@andycosta7625 bruhhh...
@@andycosta7625why do you want to know
@@andycosta7625 lol
" GM BANNED FOR CHEATING!!! " Title for future reference
he already added 3 exclamation points
@@ChillBeans42he added 3 more
@@AdamAcre that's what I said. there were 3 and then he added 3
dont tell'em!!
@@Qbeczeq0 DON'T TELL'EM!!!!!
Obviously the GM/cheater is a Gotham sub. Levi, you never should have taught people to sacrifice the ROOOOOOOOOK!! 😁
Why do I feel like I'm watching some sort of top secret government project but for chess
Kramnik: “GM gets banned for cheating. I think anyone would find this interesting.”
This kind of freakish chess is just genuinely terrifying at this point.
New opening invented. "Vihh's rook sacrifice opening"
I invented that when I was 8.
I always lost, but I want credit.😅
@@keithg460😂😂
Nice opening 5.0 for white
The Viih Attack
This feels like a GM trying to discover a new opening. Using real games instead of vs him/herself to create more “accurate” results. It would be curious to explore the differences made after the original few opening moves. Maybe using stockfish to identify the obscure position. Just a thought, just throwing it out there
They shot up in rating by a lot after switching to this apparently new genius opening. Yeah nah, Ockham's razor suggests they were cheating with an engine for at least some of the game.
At this point I check the comments first to see if it's clickbait
Is it?
Kramnik crying real tears right now that he finally proved everyone wrong
Kramnik is like: "Finally😮".
Lol Buster from Brawl Stars pfp nice
Buster lol
No Xero13g is the brand ambassador of this opening
Kramnik: They called me a madman
4:10 ”Like Magnus just got drunk and decided to play Naroditsky and looses rook to him 70 times in a row”. LMAO🤣
Fed up with all the "fell off" comments
L + ratio + u fell off + trump better
@@user-zu6ts5fb6g you fell off
@@user-zu6ts5fb6g"L plus uhuh yeah yeah blah blah plus WHAAAAAAAT"
@@user-zu6ts5fb6g💀
@user-zu6ts5fb6g L ratio + no like + all politicians are clown that want your money
Kramnik got fed up of everyone not believing him, so he made this account to prove his point lol
"Vih" stands for "Vinícius" in Brazil, a very common name. "Sou" means "I am". "Vinicius I am" would be the nickname's "translation". I searched for Brazilian titled players with that name, but found only FMs and IMs, not a GM.
Deve ser a Viih Tube
Já pensou? Hahahaha
Pode ser mais um monte de nome. Vitor. Vitória. Mas também é improvável que o mano fosse botar as iniciais no nome da conta
Mano deixa de ser viralata, a história é distorcida, não é um GM Brasileiro, é um gringo se passando nesse perfil, Brandon Jacobsen e não foi banido por cheating
@@NathanGW Essa informação não existia antes
Kramnik can finally rest in piece now... oh wait hans neiman is trying to be the new world champion
There's a chance its not a cheater and just a high level player who have just dedicated themselves to this opening so much and have it as the primary thing they play. That now they're experienced at clawing their way out of it's disadvantage. Or it could be someone who uses an engine for only a specific amount of their moves and play the rest on their own
Plot twist: It's that one guy from the pub who has played every position
itd be the best ever plot twist if it was Kramnik on the banned account. He was banned for 3 months already for using someone elses account :D
I thought the GM was you... sorry levy
Pin of shame??
Levy is a mere IM he has not yet entered the grand hall
I'm willing to donate my 300 elo to put him over the edge
@@KaitouKaiju You would do that, with your 300 elo? sniff, you bring a tear to a grown man's eye, that you would do such a thing for someone you just know from online. Levy needs to meet you on one of his youtube channels and an emotional video where you talk about why you would donate your 300 elo to him and he will talk about how happy he now is to finally become a GM and forever grateful to you and you both break down in tears and hug.
@@KaitouKaijuThat's unfair. You'll just gain the 300 elo back in 3 days.
FYI:
The account was closed for fair flay violation. This could include engine cheating but doesn't have to.
Smurfing or playing on an account with lower rating than ones true strength is also a fair play violation for example.
Nobody on the planet can beat Daniel this badly. Nobody. The guy was cheating 100%.
@@BigBoy-ql5rn if he did cheat, chess should name-drop him since it's an actual GM. I'm pretty sure the site always verifies the identity of titled players, so they have his name. I just don't understand why they would keep his identity secret, helping and encouraging a cheater.
@@veni1 Could be they will release it, they just don't right away. May need to confirm things, or have procedure to follow, or whatever. What if it turns out it's a 12-year-old kid? Should their real name be released? Probably not in most cases.
Could be valid reasons to not release it at all, or it could be something they release after a few days making sure it's legit.
They don't want a lawsuit like the Hans situation, I think they're just making sure that the guy really cheated and their detection is not giving false positive. @@Jdorty
@@BigBoy-ql5rnMaybe its a Gm good at Compensating and defending and countering mistakes
Was Bobby Fischer's Death Confirmed?
Hmmmm
Interesting
rook gets less play at the start of the game so its less valuable than bishop or knight. rook seems to be quite sluggish in its moving when there is lot of other pieces also.
If this is Kramnik trying to prove a point...
Levy’s thumbnail guy never fails to be kidnapped
Imagine working your way up to be a GM and then you start cheating out of nowhere for 100 matches against GM Danny before getting banned. Just crazy...
And Kramnik must have salivated seeing this 😅
Or he cheated to work his way up.
@@psychohist how would he cheat irl lmao
@@WxvesVFXIt's very easy to cheat irl, I've done it before and I haven't got caught
@@WxvesVFX Ask Magnus
@@WxvesVFXare you a hikaru fan? Because it's only hikaru who seems to think it's impossible to cheat in real life, even though people have been caught cheating in real life.
The Ware defense/opening is actually good. you gain a bishop pair and your opponent gets a rook that will probably just stand in the corner until the endgame. so you trade a weird position for an active piece advantage
I suspect it's someone who wants to prove a point, namely: cheating without getting detected is easier than most people think, but it does require a baseline high level (e.g. a GM). If I'm right, that person will soon come out with a detailed, documented account of how/when exactly they cheated, and only got "caught" when they purposefully decided to make it blindingly obvious by beating one of the world's top blitz players 70 times in a row down an exchange...
Lol, this aged poorly. 😛
Imagine training your whole life just to end up cheating in the end
Hans Niemann doesn't recap his training to his world champion anymore. Guess why
the cut from disappointing mention of "And....Daniel Naroditsky" to just cut screaming in my headphones "DANYA HAD NOTHING LEFT"
I played this opening with a similar rated player twice and I won. This is the type of opening where you just put all theory on the garbage can and focus on tactics.
Kramnik is celebrating rn 😂😂😂
Kramnik got peace 😂😂
Could a GM not get better at one opening that's played over and over again? Could you or another gm try this opening 100 games in a row and see how far you take it? If Magnus and hikaru win with bongclouds, do they deserve to be called cheaters?
I lost to this opening twice when I was a kid. I still remember.
Bro thinks he's Kramnik 💀
Hmm, who knows? What this smells like to me is a decent player who's testing their own engine, likely a fork of a publicly available one. You can play at any speed you like if the engine is coded to make the moves directly. Better yet the speed of play and the depth the engine plays can then be set dynamically in response to how 'hard' the position is. Why the same 'odd' opening every time? I suspect partly for the LOLs, partly to test the dynamic engine depth, but mostly because an unusual opening will make it harder to spot which engine is being used.
Why?
If my wild guess is correct, this isn't 'cheating' it's a 'programming exercise'.
you can just use lichess engine feature for that. (or use unrated games)
As an Brazilian, my heart dropped as soon as I saw the flag...
Levy said that you can change the flag, I hope thats the case
Even if he is Brazilian, he doesn't represent the people of Brazil as a whole. So you have nothing to worry about.
@@gooffoon I know, it's just sad anyway
@@Ludrovisco I'm sorry but a cheater in chess is peanuts compared to the other issues in which Brazil is seem.
Dude who cares about nationality?
@@tmpqtyutmpqty4733 The brazilian chess scene is quite small, so one of our gms cheating is very demoralizing for us brazilians
You have to make a course on that openning!
Kramik: 😃 Levy: At least it wasn’t me! 😅
Levy never fails to milk the GM title from now on
a GM is doing an experiment to see how bad of a position they can get in the opening and win anyway with engine aid. The idea is to find an opening where the win is decisive but hard to find, and all other moves lead to a solid advantage for black.
but then you do that in unrated games (and ask the other person, if it is okay)
Most good cheaters will play the 2nd or 3rd best move as long as it isnt immediately losing, then just wait eventually your opponent will make a mistake.
whenever i win a GM, i get banned, this is how it's going, GM cant lose.
2:48 In Brazil "Viih" is normally an internet abbreviation for the name Vitor/Victor or the female Vitória/Victória. "Sou" could either be the verb "am" or abbreviation for the surname Souza/Sousa which is very popular in Brazil.
It’s Viih Souse. Son of Keyser Soze.
Kkkk não mesmo 🤣
It's clearly Viih Tube, what a sad ending after such a brilliant acting career.
@@brian_chalega😂😂😂😂
@@iTyp3z7SosMula is a Grandmaster???
Love then Danya gets hyped. Underrated GM.
Your content has gotten a lot better, that is a legitimate compliment, keep up the good work!
imagine its a social experiment with a bot playing chess, it would be so cool
im beyond bewildered. an extremely erratic and positional opening, complex, lightning quick gameplay, yet both play reasonably and make mistakes in a human way. id be equally amazed if this was a human as if it were an ai. not to mention, all done on an account that has existed for a good while, having inexplicably received gm title despite playing like this for so long. playing for dozens of games at 4am. what in the actual fuck happened here
Bruh, you know that's 4am right now in some place of the globe, right? (japan, at the time of my post) Right now in my country? It's 4pm in Brazil.
Timezones are amazing bro.
If the guy was playing from Portugal, for example, 4am in Brazil it's early Morning in Portugal, 8AM. Italy? Probably almost lunch time, 11AM.
Kramnik has been edging to these games all day
wow, imagine being a gm and then giving it up
Brandon Jacobson has changed his description to "Kramnik please notice me"
🤣
Kramnik must be enjoying this 😅😅
I'm out of the loop, why is everyone commenting this? :D
Levy never fails to milk Magnus vs Hans
oh, wrong cheating conflict.
Levy never fails to milk Hikaru
damn it
i dont like how levy just knows the exact time the games happen between the two
Luv these satires, they are splendidly and candidly entertaining! 😎
I should not watch this while driving
You really shouldn’t. But no car accident, right?
@@ZephyrBassPiano and he didn't respond
@@MozartAmadeus-fm5dd no crash yet
@@ColCamhow abt now?
Commenting and replying while driving is nasty work 😂
Kramniks kicking his feet
Kramnik living rent free in all of your heads
My thanks to editors greying out the board on hypothetical moves!
Its clearly Daniel playing himself or a friend
I think I know what was going on there, Levy.
Due to Magnus and one or two other notables using such moves, a certain strong player decided to use it and mix having an engine play out the game, AND occasionally THEY play out the game. The point was to see if such a maneuver could win at the highest levels. Whoever was doing it is probably compiling a list of gm responses, vs engine responses, so they can understand both winning and losing ideas in the opening and subsequent moves. With the aim of using it in their own games, but whether against strong opponents or weaker opponents, to be decided by the analysis afterwards.
Possible suspects would include certain top grandmasters, but could include a lower ranked grandmaster that remains more anonymous. AND could include a 'team' effort; a strong lower ranked player doing it for another stronger player for analysis.
Regardless, the games are a matter of record, so anyone exploring the analysis to see if such moves could be used in say, titled Tuesday, well now there is deniability, they could simply claim to have looked at it and decided it would be fun.
Very sneaky. 😄
Yeah. That's great but playing it for 500 games straight is gonna give it away
This seems like Daniel intentionally setting up an opening and trying to beat a computer, with his friend inputting the moves from the computer
Not true. I ain't got the time for shit like that.
Maybe because danya could have done that without using the account of a GM and playing rated games? That makes far less sense than a simple cheater...
@@DanielNaroditskyGMthanks for confirming.
@@DanielNaroditskyGMwhoah it's the real Danya
Lmao. Love your stream Daniel 😇
bobby fischer spirit possessed him fr
After levy’s full description what it honestly sounds like is an AI that has been set to learn how to AVOID being detected by an anti cheat system. And so it began with its final plan and figured out how to ramp up to being able to use it in a 70 game streak until being caught.
The reason for giving up the rook is that the Queen rook doesn’t come into the game till later whereas the white bishop is an attacking piece earlier on. So it’s a gamble to eliminate an active piece for a passive piece in the hope that you win the game in the middle game.
10:34
Rare footage of levy videos being edited
Loving the 20min videos rather than 30+
To be honest Knight G7 (second game) was something i was looking at as well. You remove the defender of the black knight, and thus at the very least it's a pawn that you took, and at the best, you are opening up the opponent's king.
Thought it was levi, but then i remembered he's not a gm😊
In 2022, the brazilian youtube chanel Raffael Chess, react a game from Viih_Sou, in the video he said he suspected this account belonged to Luis Paulo Supi, a Brazilian GM, and that at that moment he was preparing for a championship, since that date the owner of the account was already a misery
The problem is that Supi can't beat Daniel in speed chess. Certainly not this badly anyway, regardless of the opening.
it's not supi
It was probably Daniel using stockfish on another account to train
plot twist he’s playing both accounts at the same time
2:46 "Viih Sou" means "I'm Viih", with "Viih" being a common nickname for someone whose name begins with "Vi", like Vitória, Vítor, Vinícius etc.
Sou could also be "Sousa / Souza", a common surname. So e.g, Vinicius Souza. But that is probably a fake name anyway.
Yeah, It's probably fake. @@mandrews817
PLEASE tell me it's Kramnik...
...crap. It wasn't.
Yet.
that first game is actually nuts like wtf
New opening created cheater variation
That's a sophisticated version of a pattern I like to call "grandmaster-when-losing". Basically, the opponent plays a crappy line, then allows the other player to get an edge, and then magically becomes a "grandmaster". They suddenly find your every move, quickly, with best play. Of course, that's probably when the engine takes over.
I like to call that "deep opening preparation for a gambit". When Rosen gets you with the crappy -3 eval stafford line, when does that point happen when the engine takes over?
My question is how the f do you cheat at this kind of speed? How are you using an engine and making moves this quick?
@@teutorixaleria918 there are programs for that sometimes they are detectable tho but they allow to move instantly or fast
@@teutorixaleria918and in these programs u can stop the engine and then turn it on again and it will play for u, u don't even have to use the mouse
@@teutorixaleria918 Programming knowledge, or buying from someone who has said knowledge, is necessary for any competent online cheater.
Chess helps me to escape from this cruel world.
i personally like jungle chess for this purpose (also called *Dou Shou Qi* )
but when you finally stop playing the negative emotions come flooding back twice as strong no?
Who asked bro?
This world is not cruel. People are cruel but the world is balanced
What makes the world balanced?@@rainmaker132
4 seconds into the game: white has been up 2 points for a very long time.
I'm surprised you didnt make a video on this account before the ban. That opening is wild.
His nickname is an abbreviation for vsause
"Hey, Vsauce! Michael here. Chesscom's got good algorithmes... or is it?"
No wonder Levy didnt get a ban cuz he doesnt have a GM
Shin of pame incoming?
@@Labib2003For what? This joke is pretty funny.
Me no funny think, joke bad, attempt pin shame failed of.
Yoda
That was no cheater you fools... my master Bobby has returned from the dead
I bet it would be possible to write a program that overlays arrows colour coded on the board, which moves an engine would choose. That would make the time needed for cheating fascinatingly little.
All I'm saying is that it's likely possible to cheat online in any time control.