Coffee Shop Workers Deserve Dignity, Comfort, and Safety
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I very nearly told someone "if no one worked my job you wouldn't get groceries".
FUCKEN trueeeeee
Pause! What is it you do...because if you throw out something like shipt, I drive my ass to the grocery store and walk the aisles.....I'd I didn't exist, I wouldn't get my groceries 🙃
@@justins21482
probably delivers them to the store, a cemtralized location where you can acquire a large variety of foods
@@justins21482 lol and who put them on the shelf at the grocery store ???
@@bifurioussiren the grocery fairy?
Its like that Tumblr post- "You can't demand a service while simultaneously degrading those who provide it for you"
People in the porn industry 😑
@@papatycoon4320 hey some people are just kinky like that
@@papatycoon4320 Great point.
@@LateNightRewrites hey least its not twitter
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context: brennan tells a real life story from his time working as a bartender in new york that was frequented by wall street executives. He was having a conversation with two of them and this is what happened.
@@soarinpenguinlive6372 man, you lost the point.
@@soarinpenguinlive6372 The point... Is that "even" people who "just" make coffee deserve a living wage and dignified life.
You can do more, aim for "more". If you want.
But that's beside the point.
@@soarinpenguinlive6372 what's wrong about making coffee that people need and enjoy??
@@JRod0409 cause it hard and people think the world shoud change not them
@@JRod0409 maybe the problem is that those careers aren't paying enough? Ever think of that?
The people who say shit like that are also the same people who say "young people just don't want to work" and "homeless people should just get a job" completely unironically.
Yeah, bad people
It could be perspective though. For example, in my town you can't throw a rock without hitting a help wanted sign. And most of these jobs require zero prior training. We don't have that many homeless. However, the few we do have will sit RIGHT OUTSIDE these establishments all day long begging for cash... all day every day. That IS their job.
@@101perspective How many of those places are actually willing to hire homeless people though? You're acting like just because jobs are available that means everyone can get any job. And you also have to consider the reason they're homeless in the first place is probably because they already had difficulty with employment to begin with.
@@Cadaverous0711 Well, yeah, if they are mentally ill or something like that which prevents them from doing the job then they probably won't get the job. However, that wouldn't make it a homeless issue though. That would make it a mental health, etc, issue. The homelessness would just be a symptom.
Btw, a homeless person begging for money can save enough to get a place to stay at least long enough to apply for a job. Assuming that businesses really care if they are homeless. I think most businesses care more about their criminal history, etc. Them being homeless (IN ITSELF) would probably only indicate the person would probably work for them longer before getting a better job... if anything.
@@101perspective Why do you think the people are homeless in the first place? Most of these people do have mental illnesses, some kind of addiction, a criminal record, or some combination of all three. Do you think they go to sleep on the cold hard ground for fun? Do you think they're just faking it? I'm genuinely trying to understand what the hell you think is going on here.
“All labor that uplifts humanity has dignity and importance and should be undertaken with painstaking excellence.” - MLK
He's saying that you should do your best at whatever job you have because there is pride in that.
I'm not sure what you're taking away but it feels wrong.
@@hmm9584 MLK was a democratic socialist so it wouldn't be a stretch to assume he was for worker's rights
@@hmm9584 dawg mlk was a socialist (we can argue if he was a social Democrat, or a democratic socialists, but either way, he was on the left)... he even worked with a commie
@@fishfacemuguck3379 Socialism has its benefits if you can keep corruption out of the system, such as in small-scale communities. On the large scale, not so much. Every societal system has pros, cons, and optimal places where it works best.
@@awareqwx what does that have to do with mlk being a socialist??
Also every Scandinavia country has some awesome domestic socialism... like free Healthcare, College and education, better childcare, better wages, and regulations on the private sector... so definitely not in just small communities, it has worked and been working in all the Scandinavian ones
Every worker,regardless of job title, should have dignity, comfort and safety.
@@gm6856 so do you think being paid a wage you can live off of comfortably is “a lot” or do you think there’s food industry workers making millions?
@@gm6856 the thing is that not everyone can get a better job then that. It’s not JUST teenagers that they hire for those jobs. Some people can’t get a better job for a million reasons. The lack of accessibility for marginalized groups of all kinds to get access to the resources needed to get better higher paying jobs is what keeps a lot of people from getting those jobs. Comfortably is subjective of course but I think the main goal for most people in this conversation is survival. Everyone should get their basic needs met. Food, water, heating, education, etc. Anything additional to that would make sense to be harder to obtain because it’s not a necessity. Again, the problem is that a lot of people with bigger basic needs are not getting those needs met. A family with multiple kids has a higher baseline for the things they need to survive. We don’t live in a world where that is guaranteed but it should be
No. Absolutely not. That's entitlement speaking. You do not have the right to safety or comfort or dignity. Those are things you aspire to, not rights you are guaranteed.
@@XH1927 actually depending on where you live, some of those are considered unalienable rights - but go off in your lil'bootstrap world there gramps. 🤧
@E C We don't get payed by importance
This brought flashbacks from the beginning of the pandemic when people stayed at home and service workers were considered essential as they provided that crucial link in getting the supplies from factories to families.
Biggest in your face to those elders who keep saying pre-pandemic to "never grow up to be like them" like they're outcasts because of those jobs.
What gets me angry is that the same people who patted themselves on the back for patting essential workers on the back then turned around and told those essential workers "f*ck you, lazy, get a better job, you deserve those starvation wages cause your job is low skilled/unskilled labor." That double speak is what gets me mad.
I worked *every single day* of the pandemic as an "essential worker", and I quickly learned that "essential" was code for "expendable."
@@eduardomantilla2143 my friend, I don't know if you need this or not, but every time I go to a food place or take a bus, I thank whoever is giving me that soeciffic service and remain as polite as I can without being fake. Sure, flipping burgers or driving all day sounds easy, but as a former cheff myself, I know it's not. And I worked in a souvide kitchen (or however it's spelled) cooking for the elderly. I didn't need to make 20 burgers for one customer at the drop of a hat, we had a scedule and often got ahead of it, but it was still over 200 sick and elderly needing food, and feeding them one single day worth of food and dessert took a whole day of cooking. So, whatever your job is, be proud and know it's they who are dumb for trying to degrade you. :^)
This. If your line of work is deemed essential then it should be reflected on wage. Covid shoved what jobs are actually important and those that aren't. Basically everything that cant be done remotely should get a pay bump to a lvl where you can live off that
Entitled rich people: I can’t go to work for six weeks, I’m going to have to get unemployment!
Me, an essential worker, admiring my new set of nails: Wow hun, for once I can’t relate to the struggle 🤷🏻♀️
@@blazeelvirafirehoof7844 I also thank all service workers. I've been doing it since I was a child. I never understood why people weren't kind to their bus drivers and food servers. For once, I won't go into my life story, but have a nice day everyone. :)
Someone once told me that, "Some jobs are just supposed to be terrible to inspire people to want to move up in the world!" And I was baffled by their ignorance.
I bet they also think it's possible to pull yourself up by your bootlaces too.
I have a coworker like this. He doesn’t think people who work in fast food should be paid more because he says those jobs should pretty much exclusively go to high schoolers working after school, and that adults should seek better careers. Paradoxically, he also complaints about the low quality service he gets from teenagers and thinks they should be fired if they act like they don’t want to be there, so I’m not exactly sure who he thinks is going to staff these jobs.
I bet he wouldn't be happy of Mcdonalds was only open during after school and on the weekend. These fucking people.
I wonder what he wants people in areas with almost no other jobs (i.e., most rural areas in the US) to do?
Wait until he finds out that minimum wage was originally intended to be a minimum LIVABLE wage, and was until the mid-80s.
Also, does he think that fast food places should only be open for a couple of hours a day, after schools close for the day?
McDonalds would be a seasonal restaurant if it relied solely on labor from students. They'd have to stay closed until the afternoon and they'd be extremely short staffed in the summer to the point of needing to adjust their hours of operation. Same goes with holidays. If the world actually worked how some people perceive, the very concept of "convenient service" would be non-existent because everyone would be making $50k+ per year for typing numbers into a computer or some shit and nobody left to clean the floors or make your dinner. The service sector in general is underappreciated and underpaid. I was a pastry chef for many fine dining establishments and the pay was much lower than you'd expect. It's quite common even for true professionals to get less than $15 per hour. It really sucks making food for a restaurant that charges like $100 per plate but you can barely pay your bills. What's even worse is that despite the highly specialized and skilled nature of the work, customers still demean you for any perceived mistake or inconsistency. It's no different from working at McDonald's. The kitchen is nicer and the pay is slightly higher. It still sucks regardless.
Nowadays I make most of my money through investing. I trade virtual numbers I see on my phone to try to make the number in my account go higher. I spend most days at home doing nothing. I offer absolutely nothing to society now yet that is considered success. I can't help but look back at my time in restaurants fondly. I was broke all the time and constantly in pain but at least I provided a service that brought joy to people. Nowadays I serve nobody but myself and Wall Street and for some reason, that's supposed to be more "fulfilling"? I disagree. A good barista deserves your respect way more than someone like me does.
Daydreams yuuup. Roosevelt: we need a minimum livable wage
Penny pinchers - but it's *minimum*, right?
R: did I fucking stutter?
In his 1933 address following the passage of the National Industrial Recovery Act, President Franklin D. Roosevelt noted that “no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country.”
“By ‘business’ I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level - I mean the wages of decent living,” he stated.
Obligatory shout-out to the customer who asks "why are they making you work today?" on a holiday as if they're not the reason.
Shoutout to the ONE customer who realized the implications of me working on Christmas Eve last year and tipped me more than I make in an hour.
The restaurant I work at is open 365. People will come in on Thanksgiving and Christmas all the time and say how they don't understand how they're making us work today 🙄
@@kilojuliet4 i work at a group home. the disabled people ask me "what are you doing for christmas? what are you doing for thabksgiving?" MF IM WORKING HERE
I used to actually say “because you’re here” when customers said that. “What are you doing for the long weekend?” “Nothing, bro, I’m here because you are.”
That's why it's nice a lot of places I know make it optional to work those days for higher pay. No ones making you work then but you choose to to earn more
This is why I admire Brennan. He isn’t just talented and entertaining but he has admirable values and uses his platform to share them
He also takes the time to continue learning and correcting himself, to explore concepts regardless of them being uncomfortable. I've got a lot of respect for that.
Instead of "talented" I'd say "hard working". No one is born being this good at what he does; you gotta work long and hard, and keep fighting to learn more and more about the world!
you just know that guys job was like denying health insurance claims or collecting debt or a floor manager at amazon
Or a franchisee who gave the job over to a store manager, but kept the six figure paycheck.
Or a real estate agent
Or a landlord.
This is a story from Brennan's time bartending. The guy was a wall street man
@@DrusinianX ah he was a professional gambler.
I want people who actually love working in a coffee shop to work in coffee shops. The experience is so much greater when the employees are happy to be at work.
Sick. Are you gonna supplement their income so they can make six figures or are you simply gonna demand other people do it?
I tried for 4 years, Dunkin’ Donuts and Starbucks. Both were such toxic environments that paid poverty wages. Got sexually assaulted by an employee at Dunkin. I’d be happy working at one if I got paid decent
@@mostdopecaptain3350 there's so much bullshit in your comment it's actually impressive.
Then the whole bus got up and clapped, I'm sure.
When I worked in a coffee shop I loved it. I hated the people that came by though, because they were all pretentious and telling me to "get a real job" when it's like...I actually like doing this. 🌝
@@mostdopecaptain3350 it’s a starter job if your over 19 you don’t need to be wither damn
when i worked at the craft store this young woman came in buying stuff for her “important job” with the power company. she was talking down to me about how i was working at the craft store, and I was like i’m only 19 and if people didn’t work at craft stores how would you buy all this poster-board and glitter??
Because they think in their (black) heart of hearts that they can then force teenagers into low paying jobs by telling them its a stepping stone toward bigger better things and talking down to them as if they too don't deserve a good wage just because of their age, as if bills and rent care what age you are and also ignoring circumstances that could merit needing a good wage such as helping with household bills while living with their parents or getting their own place or saving up for college or raising a younger sibling or their own child if they had a child at an early age, cause they wanna act like teen pregnancy isn't a big problem in the U.S. 💅🙄
Just because you're useful to someone doesn't make you not lowlife scum of the earth. Slavery still exists, we just justify it by giving out paychecks.
she's going to a craft store midday, I'm sure she's seen as pathetic at her job.
Also, if she's the one out buying poster boards and glitter, her job really isn't that important.
@@jcwarner90 most jobs aren’t important.
"Dignity and comfort and safety". That's a really, really good way of phrasing that. Relays the same info, but doesn't sound like anything that could be dismissed as "entitled", "lazy", or "greedy".
What people like that don't get, is that SOMEBODY has to work those jobs. Somebody has to make coffee, somebody has to cook food, somebody has to take your order, somebody has to fix your car, somebody has to stock shelves, somebody has to ring you up at checkout, somebody has to take your call. Imagine what would happen if every person in the service industry decided, "fuck this" and quit? Nothing would get done and the entire economy would implode. If you work on honest job, you deserve to live with respect, dignity, and safety.
People don't *have* to work those jobs. Personally, I wish more workers would say "fuck you, no" and deny service to assholes.
If I recall, one hospital had to shut down because the sanitation workers there were either on strike or almost all of them quit. Turns out a place you go to deal with health issues needs to be clean in order to prevent worse health issues.
When I was a garage door technician (they actually make pretty decent pay, including iron workers Union pay in some places, not near me though) I had a customer say “why this? Why not something else?” And all I said was “why’d you call us?” Supply and demand, if you work your ENTIRE life career in a coffee shop and that’s it, but you’re happy with your life, you made it in my eyes. Luxuries lose their value, money comes and goes, people come and go, but being content with your life, happy with your choices, and love the ones in your life, then you’re an honorable person. If you only want to work in a coffee shop to get through school and you’re on your pursuit of happiness I also applaud you. I worked as a garage door tech for a few years before deciding what would make me feel fulfilled. Enjoy life, be happy, find a way to make a difference in someone’s life. I had people cry to me on that job, cry, laugh, offer me beer, weed (true story lmao), offer me books on cool subjects, preach about religion, I’ve done work for doctors, lawyers, and people on welfare. Money doesn’t make you happy. Finding a way to do what you love will, and being content with your life will. I love this story, made me wanna preach a bit. I’m sorry for the lecture. Just be true to yourselves and show empathy and care even when it won’t be returned.
✊️
Garage door repair isn’t even close to mundane either. Most people don’t know, but the spring mechanism is in such insane tension, it can absolutely snap and slice right through you if you don’t know what you’re doing. We take a lot of trade jobs for granted. No matter how mundane a job title might sound, chances are it has much more interesting aspects than you’ve cared to pay attention to.
Hell yeah. I’m a lawyer. I spent a few years in a law firm with big clients and got miserable. Currently I want to become a public defendant and actually help real people
This. This guy right here has the answer
Ive been a garage door technician for going on 10 years, and i absolutely love it(aside from the random shitty customer). You get to see some INSANE houses, do interesting/challenging work sometimes, and meet loads of different people.
Heck, yesterday i got to ride one of my customer's horses after i fixed their springs. It was awesome.
The number of times I was asked "so what else do you do" when I was still early in my career was unreal. Every time I told someone that it was something I chose and invested in with my time and training, they went away with either a clear feeling of awkwardness at how rude they had accidentally been, or surprise that someone could see a future in what they thought was only ever a side gig.
Oh what do you do?
What do you think I do?
@@seanthebluesheep well I hope the answer is "money"
@@deejeh9494 Money is never the answer.
@@deejeh9494 "What is your job?" "Money."
“No it should exist but it should hurt and be bad to do it” god I love him!!
I work as a Starbucks Barista, and the amount of awful people that come through who are rude and disrespectful always makes me question why I bother with this job. But then, a semi-regular came in today, teary eyed, to thank me. Telling me how much he's been struggling, and how our interactions (small as they may be) were so important to him.
And it makes me remember that THIS is why I bother working there.
That small human connection means the world to some people. And I get to provide that. If only it paid the bills 😅
8 months late, but I hope you're getting your deserved wages for a hard job! I don't work coffee service atm but I remember how it felt, I wish you the best.
Honestly, yes. As crappy as these jobs can be, the occasional insight when you see how your product can make a positive difference in someones day is a high that is hard to replicate.
You are a sweetheart ❤
Everyone working in the service industry, deserves the same dignity and respect
Everyone deserves the same dignity and respect, regardless of employment status.
@@Malkavon Respect is earned not just given. You don’t have to respect someone. Treating them equally is a different story and isn’t respect.
I worked at a coffee shop in the Boston financial district and had very similar interactions with customers. I was talking with a banker customer one time, and he snorted and said "Yeah, but don't you want to be a millionaire someday?" I replied that no, I didn't. I just wanted to have enough money to support myself and maybe afford a few nice things every now and then. He just sort of blinked, and said "No. No you don't. You want to be a millionaire." He literally couldn't process the idea that someone wouldn't want exorbitant amounts of wealth.
Kurt Vonnegut wrote a poem about when he and Joseph Heller were at party thrown by a wealthy Wall St investor. In conversation, Kurt points out to Heller that this rich asshole makes more money in a year than Catch-22 had made since it was first printed.
Joe Heller replied, “But I have something he will never have. I have enough.”
@@iAreEddie This is neither a sign of low aspirations or depression. I'm not currently depressed and I also don't want to be incredibly wealthy. Cause there's no point in that. Making enormous amounts of money just to be able to say you have it isn't really an admirable goal. Wanting to be able to make enough money to comfortably survive and not worry that a single missed paycheck could rocket you into homelessness is.
@@iAreEddie I don't get why not wanting to hoard resources reads as depression to you. That's some wild shit, you get that right?
@@expertoflizardcorrugation3967 Very wise words. I’ll remember this.
@@iAreEddie what do you want in life? Why do you want that?
You should always treat every person in the service industry with respect. They are the glue to our society. They are the reason you can get something to eat or drink when you are hungry and don't feel like making it yourself, have a place to buy new clothes, why you have a place to buy your food, your help line, a place to store your money, etc. People in service deserve far more respect than people usually give them.
People be like "that's an entry level job" then bitch when everyone decides to move up in the world and all of a sudden it's "people just don't want to work anymore".
You do realize the world isn’t just going to stop having entry level employees right? Teenagers are going to exist as long as society exists
@@Ray.Family0308 the take of "if people stop having kids society falls apart" is unbelievably based when controlling for how obvious it is
An entry level job that people of all ages, especially "retired" people, have to work so they don't STARVE AND BECOME HOMELESS.
@@Ray.Family0308 People who aren't teenagers work entry level jobs. People who aren't teenagers HAVE TO work entry level jobs, because if they don't they literally starve, become homeless, lose medical care, and die.
@@brookejon3695 so people are incapable of doing more than one thing with their life? If you want to improve your economic standing, learn a skill while working at McDonald’s. If you’re content to struggle for money flipping burgers, then that’s a you problem.
As someone who works retail, I have had this mental conversation before and I appreciate that other people share this sentiment.
Isn’t this flawed logic on his part tho?
@@daltonbuchholz5061 perhaps however think about this. If only teens and/or college students worked those types of jobs. There simply wouldn't be enough employees. There are times when teens can't work. So we need adults to do these jobs. Adults who have responsibilities that cost more than what the AVERAGE teen/college students MIGHT have. If ever adult went to college there would still be those who would have to work those jobs because there simply isn't enough of the "adult" jobs to go around. Sometimes it's simply not possible for some people to go to college and not because they are lazy or anything that they did or didn't do. Does that mean that they don't deserve the same dignity and respect has those who have those jobs? I know that isn't what you said exactly but that is what so many people do say. This is coming from my understanding of this clip and the original comment. It is also something I have to personally deal with myself, as a mom of 2 in my 30's, who is a "cashier by trade". That's I think of it to make myself feel better. Sorry if this is extremely disjointed.
@@ChrisSeaB unfortunately I think that we have a misunderstanding of value in this country. Convenience has been the only thing propping up things like… coffee shops/fast food, it expensive and unhealthy for you. Once you recognize how absolutely useless it is to have someone make you a cup.. the industry will collapse overnight. People are willing to spend an insane amount of money on a cup of coffee. 8 fluid ounces for $6+ dollars. That would make a GALLON OF COFFEE, which is really flavored water, $96 dollars without tip. Would you walk into a store and buy a gallon of coffee for $96?? Hell no you wouldn’t. And to make a single cup of coffee yourself take two tablespoons of grounds for a 6 oz cup. A pouch of Starbucks coffee can be about 7 bucks. On average you’ll get 12 cups of coffee from it. You need 2 bags at a total of 14 bucks…. To make a gallon of coffee. Not to mention most people don’t drink black coffee so you’re downing sugar, unsaturated fat and caffeine a public health crisis in the making. “Convenience” or even the thought of treating yourself to a “gourmet” coffee is the only value and both are a lie. So you have a guy behind the counter slinging garbage at people for an insane price while they complain that they don’t make enough. They aren’t doing anything that inherently makes the world a better place. If coffee houses disappeared nothing negative except job lose would occur. But if the below disappeared.. building roads/ maintaining critical infrastructure, helping the environment or ensure human safety or saving lives…. We would be fucked. I don’t wish I’ll on people just because they’re jobs are low value, Brennan mentions this and it is inherently false.
Hmmmm I wonder if we are having different conversations. 🤔😏
@@daltonbuchholz5061 ok so grocery stores and liquor stores gas stations. All service industry jobs come to mind. At the end of the day it’s the people who work these jobs that make you able to live day to day.
This is exactly why I'm polite as possible to everyone in the service industry. I don't want to do that kind of work, hence I make sure to appreciate the people who do and I've talked to many people who ENJOY it! Because people are allowed to enjoy things that we don't! It's not that hard.
An some people are sooo rude to others for no reason
@@mahziel Wow I don't even know where to begin explaining how entirely wrong and invalid all of what you said is.
@@mahziel
What type of powder did you snort, because you’re absolutely out of this universe?? 😧
@@WOLFGANG634 ad hominem aside you haven't said anything to contradict what I said either. Go on. Tell me how you think murder and rape and suicide and poverty are all things we should accept as part of our lives and allow in society
@@mahziel wow. No need to waste breath on this genius specimen.
“Oh so you’re bad.” Honestly yeah. That’s a good way to sum it up
How?
Should brewing a cup of coffee make you a millionaire? Should you make 40 dollars an hour? Who is gonna pay that?
Socialism is bad, kids.
@@hmm9584 you understood nothing
@@hmm9584 no one’s saying baristas should make you a millionaire or $40 an hour. There’s a happy medium sir.
@@aGemmstone to be fair. I did ask for clarification but I understand plenty well.
@@nicolettekemerer8452 a happy medium? Are you willing to pay the difference? Are you gonna buy twenty dollar small coffees?
I find it doubtful and honestly pretty gross how flippant everyone seems to be with other people's money. You do know most of those places accept tips, right? You could walk in every day and give 'em a hundred dollars. Do you?
The market has found the happy medium but people are displeased because they want an easy job and to make plenty of money but it just doesn't work that way. Work harder, get paid more, that's what you do. Not try and strong arm everyone else into paying you more to do less.
Everyone telling me "just start your own Business, work for yourself!" And I'm like "dude, if everyone did that: the world wouldn't be spinning."
Edit May 2024: What I'm saying is; The world needs employees and regular workers in order to function.
I mean, you can just sell your time and skills to others.
@@SamuSeen Like a job? Like being a barista?
@@SamuSeen Oh so like other people would pay you to work for them? Huh.
@@RoseInTheWeeds like a free lance thing?
There's actually an argument that it could be more viable, but it'd require a truly free market rather than one simply in name.
I serve coffee during the nightshift at a fuel station. Its an important job. Do you want truckers to fall asleep at the wheel? They could be moving your mail, or video games, or clothes, or whatever. So whenever someone comes in who thinks they are better than me because I am the one serving coffee, I often feel tempted to tell them to leave. I get hundreds of customers every hour. I get a decent wage. I don't understand why it's frowned upon to be a provider of a service that most people use. I am just glad for jobs to be available in the first place.
Service industry workers don't get enough credit
You're awesome and your job and career are important and valuable!
Because we live in a self centered society that values peoples success by how much money they can make and how little they are willing to do for others. If you didn’t go to college=you’re not intelligent. If you’re not a lawyer, doctor, celebrity, or businessman then you’re a nobody. If you don’t make more than minimum wage, you’re worthless.
I mean. People can make their own coffee, it just wont be quite as good unless they learn what to put in it. I dont know why everyone is acting like society would fall apart without baristas lol
@@billyhewson4084 most jobs aren't "essential" to living and society wouldn't fall apart if we lost them. That doesn't make those jobs any less meaningful as careers. They are services that make life *better*, more comfortable. That is worthwhile. Also, not everyone can be a doctor or farmer dude. I'm also really interested in what job you do and why you think it's so much more essential than a barista.
Brennan is such a blessing to this earth
We need more Brennans in the world
Be careful, he could be the next Gus Johnson!
@@yoeymusic who's that?
@@Ashely56 oh boy 🤦♂️
Who is this?
As a barista trying to support my art career through coffee, bless you!
Luv U Don't givr Up🤓🤔😋
Good luck 👌
@@Crazy-pl1lo aww it's nice of you to admit you care about this persons art even though you don't know them.
@@Crazy-pl1lo you seem almost as bitter as that coffee you don’t drink, it’s okay to scroll and not type negative stuff like this, bud.
@@Crazy-pl1lo they didn’t say the coffee was the art, they’re an artist and a barista, jesus christ. and you’re just rude.
This! Exactly this! I work a minimum-wage job in a hotel, and every conversation I have with someone more than ten years older than me eventually leads to "but when are you going to get a PROPER job?" Sure, it's more their way of asking "when are you going to get a job that pays you enough to live more comfortably", but why can't I already have that? The hospitality industry would be toast without housekeepers, I shouldn't be ashamed of being one.
There is dignity in all work. And the sooner we realize that, they better we will get along.
Damn this dudes solid as hell. Straight up using his platform to speak on workers rights.
Oh yeah Brennan’s the best. Most CH staff* do this to some degree usually through satire but this is a particularly earnest and candid moment.
*Especially Adam Conover
It's a banal statement.
This is a 'I'm 14 and this is deep' tier remark, honestly, and being a socialist is neither moral nor realistic.
Again, this is a very simple-minded take on the whole thing.
@@hmm9584 lmao you're the one who just unironically used banal in a CZcams comment. Go take a hike Adam Smith lmao
@@hmm9584 no idea how properly adjusted wages equates to socialism, I thought that meant no jobs or something. But ok boomer
No legit tho, Brennan has all of the intellect and eloquent speech to be a villainous mastermind, but is incredibly upstanding with solid morals and a strong grasp of decency + respect. Favorite kind of person
I worked for a company that had a term "Aces in their places". It was meant to mean when it gets busy, the people who do the best work need to be at that corresponding station. If jobs all paid a wage that let people live safely and comfortably, servie at places would be so much better.
If I'm the best cook in a restaurant, why would you want to risk me leaving to another job not because i want to, but have to due to resource security. If people can just come in and do what they do best and not have to stress about if they will be able to afford housing, there really wouldn't be such massive turnover at most companies
"so you're *BAD.* " cuts deep tbh
Only for morons. What he is saying makes no sense.
Another barista here trying to get a lift off as a music producer, this job literally is why I can have clients
Luv U Don't give Up😁🤔🐒🐵
Small producer here, I'd love to hear your stuff just out of curiosity.
Do you have a soundcloud? :)
But do you not see the irony? You're trying to not be a barista your whole life. That's the point, not that the job is "bad" and no one should have it, but should it be a destination or a stepping stone. Either way is fine, but it all boils down how the individual values themselves and their time
@@MattGOG666 100%
@@MattGOG666 yup. I don’t think that people are understanding this concept. Not a real stat but I would estimate from my life experience that 8/10 baristas have career aspirations outside of creating delicious coffee. That’s not an issue at all. Coffee shops are a luxury & there’s nothing wrong with that either, let’s not act like it’s impossible to make a great cup of coffee at home. I do it everyday, I go to coffee shops on occasion as they’re too expensive for something I drink 2-3 times a day.
One of the big problems in this country is that we don't value service jobs in general. That idea exists in the zeitgeist for fast food, gas station workers, coffee shops, food cart vendors, kiosk workers, ect. When in reality these job are both important and extremely difficult and the people doing them should be paid ABOVE minimum wage with benefits.
Instead we somehow got the idea that these jobs aren't "real" work and started fetishizing construction and manufacturing jobs. Now that international markets make it cheaper to do those things overseas we have a huge surplus of survive jobs that no one wants to do because we have let working conditions & pay for those jobs sink so low you are basically signing up for poverty and work place injuries (that the company isn't liable for unless you have +$100,000 in court fees lieing around).
The weird tough contradiction is that we value work not based on how tough or necessary the job is, but by how much specialization is needed to do it. Not everyone knows how to program, so companies are willing to pay you more to program for them because chances are you are going to be able to find someone who values your skills more so they have to entice you to work for them. Most people already have the skills necessary to be a barista, and if they don't it doesn't take too long (in the company's eyes) to train them up.
It's a weird mismatch on what it makes sense for companies to spend money on. It just doesn't make business sense to spend money on positions than nearly anyone with a few weeks training could come in and do, no matter how important those positions are for the company's operation.
One of the contradictions at the heart of capitalism.
You'd think at some point the restaurant owners would just bite the bullet, raise salaries, and remove tipping like every other civilized country.
@@romxxii so you want every server in the country to be fired?
Do you even understand how many restaurants are in the US compared to these European countries? There are thousands and thousands and thousands of restaurants,
Each one of them with a minimum of 10 people working there.
And I guarantee you servers do not want to be on an hourly wage, because my brother can make $250 in one night.
But if he was on hourly wage he would make almost a hundred.
We are different from Europeans for a reason
@@Mr_NightOwl LOL holy fucking leaps of logic, Batman! At what point did I say they lose their jobs? I said _THEY SHOULD GET PAID MORE._ What kind of bizarre moon man logic gets you from my exact words to yours?
@@Mr_NightOwl boo hoo tipping should be voluntary not mandatory. You are defending companies from paying their employees and forcing customers to pay them directly. No server should make that much more than the BoH just because they can smile and flirt.
This, so much this. We’re not a caste society; we shouldn’t be disregarding an entire labor force (manual/retail labor) as something that is designed to keep someone impoverished or struggling for bare necessities while simultaneously saying “but they can’t stop doing it, because it’s ‘essential labor’”.
@@John-wc6lk Well now you're conflating what society is and what society ought to be.
There are not enough teenagers and part-time workers to fill a countries entire retail and service industry.
If this is the case, then we have to face the fact that there will always be people outside of those groups relegated to this type of labor.
The reason why these jobs pay less is because of the profitability of the workers labor. It's not how much the labor is actually worth to society, it's how little the business can get away with paying for the labor.
I think society ought to have wages and the value of the service to society match as closely as possible.
Society has been aiming towards this goal for a while, and the "Invisible Hand" of the free-market was seen as the metric to determine a job's societal worth.
The reasons why we invented this method of value based off of profitability is quite arbitrary and the reasons we adopted it as our main method of value is detached from the interests and wellbeing of the majority of people besides an elite few who it benefits.
The same people who benefit most from the system are the ones granted the most influence on the values we adopt in our system by the system itself. It's a vicious cycle that leads to the creation of things unnatural to any efficient human society such as individuals' hording immense political and economic power over everyone else.
This has eventually lead to the greatest conflict of interest in history: Those in power sacrificing the climate and the prosperity of the entirety of human civilization over keeping a stranglehold on profitable monopolies of what are essentially poison being fed to us for a charge (fossil fuels).
Eventually when the coastlines flood, extensive droughts cause famine, and billions of the suffering migrate from the developing world, and conflicts arise to fight over dwindling resources, only then will it cause everyone to finally realize what mistakes we've made as a society. It will be too late to mitigate the damage, but humanity will keep going on with a lesson learned, and hopefully humanity will not repeat their past mistakes.
@@John-wc6lk The point is that any job worth doing is worth being paid adequately for
@@gm6856 yea I'm a little quirky 💀
@@John-wc6lk so if it's considered "entry level" (which is a term designed to make a job sound unnecessary) then you, yourself, should not be being paid well. That's what you are arguing. If it's a job that "anyone can do" then nobody should bother being good at it.
The "anybody can do that job" mentality is a lie. Anyone can do any job, with training. Just because a job takes more education doesn't mean it's better. By the same metric, just because a job requires less education or training doesn't make it any worse.
Ugh.. it almost feels like we're a neo feudal society with a more approachable label. "peak capitalism". We're chronically servile, subject to capitalists, and virtually everyone is in some form of subsidized hell because nothing is affordable south of a 6 figure income. I'm not saying there aren't intelligent ways to leverage debt and get ahead. But it's definitely not fucking ideal right now.
Every person deserves a life of dignity by virtue of them being human.
Literally anyone who works in customer service knows how hard it is. The emotional strength needed, the physical labour, it's all HARD.
@@mayawatkins4494 agreed, you have to take all the shit from customers even though it's not your fault. I've been working in customer service for more than 2 years and i can count with my hands the number of good/nice interactions i had. It's so rare that one interaction makes my week lol im still a student but working customer service makes me never want to work in that industry again. I have great respect and admiration for anyone working in customer service for more than me, it's certainly tough.
@@wxlfie2 I tell people all the time (bc they think food service/retail is easy) that we need to overhaul the system so that EVERYONE at 18 HAS to do NO LESS than 6mos working in retail, food service, customer service, or the military. The reason being the VAST majority of mentally draining customers (and the ones who will run a server to death) have NEVER been in one of these jobs so they have NO idea how different it is from their expectations! At least with 6months they’ll actually have a taste of the mental and physical toll without any permanent damage (unless they literally do it to themselves in most cases) and anybody who can’t pass 30 days in one location cannot utilize any of that company’s establishments UNLESS they are disabled or it would place them in a food desert. That’s just my opinion.
Make America Kinder.
@@keshaartis8365 I remember when I was living with me aunt and I was like "Man I'm craving X rn but they're closing soon" and she was like "Oh they close in like an hour that's plenty of time" and I was like "Uh, no, it'll take us 20 minutes to get there, who knows how long to be seated, then at least another 20 to pick and order food amd we're probably gunna sit there an hour to eat, do you know how annoying it is when customers come in less than hour before we close?" And it finally clicked for her. Too bad I couldn't explain all the other issues with her, but I'll always remember that bc people really Don't understand that shit.
I worked fast food in high school and restaurants throughout my 20’s. At least once a month we’d get a retiree looking for part time work who figured they’d go work a simple fast food job because as they said “it’s easy money”. I rarely saw any of them make it more than a few days. Most of them didn’t even show up for their second shift.
@@thebigfootbarber8236 Honestly wouldn't mind more people doing that. I wonder if my Papa would rethink some things bc I know he was looking for something part time, just finally realize how fucking hard it all is
Aw. I’m a bartender, but the idea still stands. Thanks for helping it make sense, dude. Much appreciated.
You're welcome.
This is the mentality of the service industry. It’s necessary for these positions to exist, but the workers are often treated as a lower class of citizen and are paid unlivable wages. Now with Covid they have had hard time hiring for these positions and blame the people when nobody wants to be treated as sub-human.
I've seen a few Conservative politicians argue on TV that "these jobs are meant to be summer jobs for college kids, and they should get 'real jobs' eventually." They fail to consider the reality that not everyone may get an opportunity to leave, and that for some people, this may already be their second job that helps pay the bills.
@@romxxii Also that that logic is nonsense if the job is one we as a society require permanently. Like they’re saying we only need what, coffee and groceries in the summer?
@@romxxii Also, that claim by conservatives has never been true. The statistics show that the majority of people who work such jobs are over 30 years old.
@@romxxii What happens when children are at school?
@@DeathnoteBB They imagine that there's a perpetually revolving door of an endless supply of college students making the coffee and bagging the groceries, instantly backfilling the positions left by people who go on to become investment brokers or whatever. And if you can't make it, you're lazy.
Every human being deserves dignity, comfort, safety, and art
god, I feel like Ive had this exact conversation a dozen times
You pour coffee not like doing surgery
@@joerob3449 you're literally the evil person being described in this video.
@@joerob3449 you should not be allowed to go to coffee shops. If you don't respect the people who work there you should be denied service. That means no grocery stores, no wait staff, no fast food, no tea or coffee shops. You can live alone and sad making your own damn food out of whatever you can grow or catch until you realize that forcing the most vital people in our society to live off of scraps hurts society as a whole
@@joerob3449 No one said baristas and doctors should make the same amount of money. If a doctor makes 100k+ that’s roughly $48 an hour. 15 or 20 an hour isn’t unreasonable in comparison, that’s still less than half what doctors make.
I told my work search coach I'd be ok working another retail job at a clothes store after my winter contract ended and he went on an unsolicited rant about how I'm "still young" and should think about what I _really_ want to do before it's too late.
The idea that what I was doing and what I want for my life, something simple and sustainable with meaningful hobbies, isn't enough? That's fucken toxic.
You have to look out for your future
@@themarkus6472 so wanting stable income and employment in a field that I feel comfortable in so I can afford a place to live isn't looking out for my future?
The problem is that person usually answers with “that’s a starter job… you’re supposed to start with that job and then learn from it and move onto a better job where you can make more money and do less work” or something like that. Which is not what is going to happen for EVERYONE. Some people due to their own potential may never have another job or, due to economic or educational disadvantages may not get the same opportunities that Mr. Ladder Climber gets. This is why every job should provide the means to live with dignity and some minimal amount of comfort and amenities that are far and above what we currently consider “poverty wages“.
Or, toads on to what you're saying, maybe there's some people who LOVE that job, and given the financial freedom to continue doing that job, would improve the work environment for other workers and customers based on their love for the job, not to mention continue improving and growing in the job. A society that only allows you to do tasks like coffee making for a year and a half during college is a society that doesn't get to enjoy high quality brews or beautiful latte foam art. Skills take time and energy to perfect
So, because I’m more driven and ambitious than someone else, they should get the same benefits that I get while working menial jobs and I’m out here busting my ass day in and day out? No thanks.
@@samgardner4667 hopefully they are also busting their a** doing what they do. And I have no problem with you being paid well, even increasingly well. But people who do "menial jobs" also deserve to be paid enough to live, especially since they are doing jobs that apparently, some people do not wish to have to do
@@samgardner4667 did you READ the comment? It's not always about muh drive and ambition. They still deserve dignity and if they want niceties on top of what their living wage provides then they can change jobs. Y'all seem to think "living wage"="money for brand new luxuries every week" WHEN IT'S LITERALLY JUST THE BARE MINIMUM TO PAY BILLS COMFORTABLY WITHOUT RISKING BEING HOMELESS OH MY GOD
@@samgardner4667 also your disrespect for *necessary* jobs is showing, you should work on that and curb your entitlement
I had literally almost that exact conversation with a friend about fast food workers, and it just hurt that he insisted they were jobs that should exist but not support people as a full time job.
Does Brennan have a podcast? I could listen to him talk all day
Adventuring Academy!
I wish he had a philosophy podcast! I would love to listen to him talk about anything tho
@@bifurioussiren Yea I love the D&D podcast and you get nuggets of stuff like this but an hour of him talk philosophy would be amazing
For real everything out of this guys mouth is pudding for my ears.
The fact that it’s difficult to make a living wage in most retail/restaurant jobs blows my mind
Ikr.
I make well over minimum wage in _Alabama_ of all places, which has one of the lowest costs of living in America.
I can barely afford to split a 3 bedroom apartment with 2 other guys, which is cheaper than splitting a 2 bedroom with 1 person or having my own studio.
Not in most retail/restaurants, thats the glorious country of murica if anything.
Because the majority of those types of jobs are low-skill. If you want higher pay, ask for a raise or find another job.
@@Gravel22Gaming that’s not how things used to work.
Back in Boomer Days you could raise a family off a single income from an entry level job.
And before Boomer Days pretty much everyone worked on farms unless they were in highly niche markets, the military, or finance.
And speaking of the military, service throughout most cultures in history has practically guaranteed higher status- wealth, prestige, and preference.
But look at what a modern private gets paid today.
You can’t support yourself, much less a family, until you advance several ranks forward.
@@Jessie_Helms I agree with you. But my statement has to do with today’s environment.
I’ve actually started to pursue coffee as my career. My passion is serving others and making at least one person’s day. No matter how small the job or how small you think it is there is someone out there that loves it passionately.
If you really passionate about coffee I would recommend you own your own coffee house/shop. Because the bar isn't very High for something like a barista, the pay isn't great, and to be honest with you everyone wants to be a barista so it's going to be hard to find work and your pay isn't going to be as good for that reason also. And if this is your passion, the best of luck to you
How do you make enough money to sustain bills/groceries/ etc?
It’s a long shot but Dylan Lemay is doing alright with just ice cream
@@cleopatraonlyfans doesnt tik tok/youtube pay him I’m sure?
@@matthiasknerl4272 but isn't that the point of this video? We likely agree that a good barista is important. I'd certainly say a bad barista can ruin your day. So if this person is passionate about being a great barista, it is likely they will be in demand among café owners. And if they are in demand, they should be paid a fair wage.
You shouldn't need to go out and become a café owner to be a barista. We don't have enough demand for all the baristas to own their own business. Skilled people ought to be able to be comfortable if they're providing a service.
It's fine to say a coffee shop worker shouldn't make as much as a doctor or whatever. I get it, doctors have to study for 7 years and work a much more important job. But it's not fine to think coffee shop workers deserve to get small wages that barely support them. Just once, I'd love to see one day in the USA where all the workers who make less than 90k a year and are drowning in debt just...stop. See how all those rich upper class enjoy their lives when everything grinds to a halt.
It's been mathed out.
It would take one week of everyone just not showing up for these jobs which are "beneath dignity". Sure, fire them, but if everyone stuck to the guns? Fast food workers, delivery drivers, retail wage-slaves, garbage collectors, servers at restaurants, all the jobs which aren't "Real Jobs".
(Okay, maybe a month for garbage collectors.)
I think people would absolutely take notice of how essential these people actually are.
But think of the poor shareholders who would only make tens of millions instead of hundreds of millions if those workers got a living wage 😢😢😢
They'd still make hundreds of millions, just slightly less hundreds of millions.
@@DMKleinArts That'd simply be unacceptable! They deserve those hundreds of millions after all the hard work they put in making it! /s
Yeah amazing how this narrative still implies that corporations would lose ten fold by supplying living wages. The realities would be much less substantial to bottom lines. But in the investor world just slowing how much you are growing by loses everyone their minds. Look at that Facebook hit lol.
If only there was some way to get the workers to care about the business and do more than the bare minimum that they’re currently doing.
*cackles in Shrinkage*
You do realise the vast majority of holders are middle class, people who own a couple to no % of the company.
Reminds me of the meme
"Go to college or you'll end up flipping burgers!"
"Now that you're out of college, is flipping burgers not good enough for you!"
"What do you mean you want a living wage flipping burgers?! Get a real job!"
"Uuugh! My fave restaurant is closed because it's understaffed! Why doesn't anyone want to flip burgers anymore?! They're lazy!"
I've had arguments with people who act like people working fast food aren't deserving of good wages and benefits but demand those same people work extra hard for less pay just so they can get their favorite double mcwhopperburger. 💅🙄
The problem is, it doesn’t take a bunch of skill to flip burgers; also, no one wants to pay $20 for a burger. You start paying a burger-flipper $40/hr., that’s gonna raise the cost to the consumer. (I flipped burgers for $3.35/hr when I was 15.)
Am I wrong?
@@recynd77 What year did you flip burgers?
@@recynd77 It's also not about skill. It's about needing to get paid a proper wage for a full time job. Cause whether or not the job is flipping burgers or cleaning a school as a janitor or whatever, people need a living wage to be able to pay rent and other costs of living. Even Burger Flippers deserve that. Saying "well it's not skilled labor" as an excuse for not paying them a living wage is asinine and inhumane. Cause if everyone left burger flipping to find a better job, who'll flip your burgers?
@@eduardomantilla2143 In the 80s.
No one could live on that; but few END their careers flipping burgers, either. It’s a start.
@@eduardomantilla2143 I understand what your saying, but you’re not thinking about where the money comes from. People aren’t *owed* a living, either. If you want that, you can try moving to a communist country, and see if that suits you better. If you don’t want to be trapped in unskilled labor, get yourself a skill: ideally one that is in high demand.
There are ALWAYS lower-skilled workers; I was one of those in the 1980s, when I was 15. Few people end their careers in the same position they began it.
Years and years ago when I was still bartending, I was serving a bunch of hipster-looking dudes (when that was still a thing) and I was conversing with them. In passing I mentioned it had been pandemonium the week before and they didn't know what that word meant. I explained that it was the capital of Hell and a common synonym for chaos.
They basically replied "if you are so smart why are you working as a bartender" and laughed. It has been years and it still stings, like they cannot even fathom that someone can be wellread and enjoy mixology.
Aw. That sucks. Sounds like they were mean spirited. Bar tending can be incredibly difficult and involves lots of skill.
It's an easy job for college kids, get a real job if you're in it for respect, obviously...
@@Evan-fh2zg What's a real job
@@Evan-fh2zg You're the guy Brennan is talking about
@@Evan-fh2zg LMAO you think being a bartender is easy?
Alexa, show me some one who has never worked in the industry 🤣
Thank you Brennan. 🙌🏼 Literally just had this exact conversation about McDonalds workers last week.
Man it is so easy to tie your self esteem to the rat race, and also super disheartening. A little empathy towards others doesn't have to hurt you. We need to stop looking at life as a zero sum game.
I don't get the video because the guy is making a low IQ argument, the thing those guys meant is that working at a coffe shop shouldn't be your permanent job, I have seen people in their 50s working for minimum wage or pennies more and its ridiculous, unskilled labor is something you do to get your feet wet and save some money on early adulthood while you get qualifications or get your life together, if you are over 30 and working those shitty jobs then I dont want to hear complaints, hell even doing unskilled labor in your late 20s is a red flag.
@@382u3uuej it doesn't matter how old the person working the job is. They deserve dignity. He also didn't say anything about complaining about being a barista, the video was about the way we treat people in those positions. Basically everyone complains about their job. Also, there are simply not enough jobs on the planet for every adult to work outside the service industry. So inevitably some people will have to work those jobs.
Low skill ≠ low effort, and we should reward the efforts of people who do the work.
@@382u3uuej this is just untrue and not how our economy works. You have a very narrow, privileged view on reality, so much so that it doesn’t reflect said reality. If people did what you said our economy would collapse lmao
Disrespecting the people that provide you a service is just so fucking stupid. You know nothing about them or their life circumstances and yet you are determined to look down on others. You must have very low self esteem
@@382u3uuej disabled people exist ya know, what are they supposed to do when those are the only jobs that CAN work?? And most elderly people ARE disabled. Should they just keel over and die because you’re too embarrassed abt them bagging you groceries when they have no family or children to provide for them? That they HAVE to work so they don’t starve or can pay for their medical bills? You fail to consider the type of person these jobs are for. People deserve to be paid the bare minimum so they can eat, shit and sleep in peace without stressing about whether or not the lights will stay on that week. If they want better conditions they get better pay but someone should get THE BARE MINIMUM with MINIMUM wage but they aren’t even getting that!
@@jade4025 Where in America is somebody working and not making minimum wage?
Don't say a tipping position cause that's a whole different ball game.
Dropping some truths during DND lol not a barista, but I'm a bartender and I 100% agree man
ironically he was actually a bartender and this was a conversation he had with some wall-street jerks when working as one! :D
@@Rosietea I don’t totally agree sadly, agreeing something is good and necessary doesn’t mean it is difficult or deserving of high rewards. At the end of the day it is a lower skill job deserving lower skill pay. Doesn’t matter if people like it a lot, your worth what you worth based on your skill. If you made the best coffee in the whole world you have value. If you are in an everyday Starbucks eh.
@@rossstrickland1722 "higher rewards" here is literally a livable wage
@@rossstrickland1722 The idea here is that 'lower skill pay' should be more than enough to live with dignity, otherwise you're saying taking a certain job means you deserve poverty
@@rossstrickland1722 the foundation of a home is the easiest part to build but without it the entire house crumbles. All of these "higher skilled jobs" require an immense amount of "low skilled jobs" to function.
You shouldn't become a millionaire from mcdonalds but if you work there for 20 years you should be able to retire without living off of ramen noodles. Ponder a world where there isnt a single "low skilled worker", and everyone is a top of the line doctor scientist ceo etc etc. Who's growing the food? Who is harvesting the raw materials? Who's recycling. Who takes care of the trash? Who maintains the roads? Who sanitizes everywhere you go? Who provides public transportation? Who transports goods? Who is able to produce goods on a city-wide scale, let alone a world-wide scale? The list could go on and on but I feel like I've already listed too many.
"no, you're supposed to climb the latter" As if every fucking ceo on the planet started out as a cashier?? Frick off??
And the average CEO literally produces less value than the average cashier.
@@brookejon3695😂 nope
@@natescode 😂 yup.
@@ElectricAlien577 nope, you dullards knowing nothing about what a ceo does doesnt change that.
Yes. You should use a simple job that doesn't pay a lot to get a better job that pays more. I hope you've since figured this out and are working in a better job now than you were a year ago when you made this silly comment.
The fact that the world isn’t like this makes me want to cry from my inner soul.
Not every job should provide a great standard of living. This would actually be oppressive to the least productive workers.
A higher baseline costs requires higher return productivity.
It is good to have starter jobs. This provides options for people who can willingly choose to work there.
They develop skills and they move on.
This is hard on businesses in some ways but it makes labor affordable.
The problem is people thinking those starter jobs are careers and having no initiative to get more.
You can sacrifice economic growth to force those businesses to pay more. The net effect will be negative for the people you are trying to help.
@swath5049
This is why capitalism doesn't work. We need a system that doesn't rely on an unstable, profit driven market to provide for peoples needs.
The economy needs to be centrally planned through democracy, and resources distributed based on need. Time and time again socialism has been shown to work better in every way. Though propaganda campaigns, and indoctrination have done a lot of work to convince people otherwise.
@@swath5049
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“So you want people to work at coffee shops?”
“Yes.”
“But you think working at a coffee shop should suck?”
“Yes.”
“So basically you want slave labor coffee shops?”
“… yeah, obviously.”
Dude be speaking the truth, I’m a Starbucks barista and I get so many crappy customers that can easily ruin my day. But I also remember my job is not only to pour someone’s cup of whatever the heck they want, but to hopefully make their day a little better for them, be it either giving them their coffee or just making someone smile and want to talk with me.
Brennan Lee Mulligan, you absolute fucking gem
Welcome to the best your internet experience is ever gonna get from this moment on.
I love how D20 with Brennan is just pure solid praxis vaguely masquerading as a dungeon roleplaying game
This isn't praxis. This is literally just being decent to people
This is what happens when you have two whole generations being told that if you’re working hard and getting your hands dirty for a living(construction worker, mechanic, farmer, etc.) that you’re not only a loser, but a sucker because you settled for less. We’re taught from a young age that certain jobs, as well as the people that do those jobs, are beneath us. Instead we should be taught to take pride in our work a strive for excellence in our fields. Perfection is impossible but anyone can be excellent. Strive for excellence.
I think we’re taught that in part because our parents knew those jobs were valued less, and paid less. But unfortunately it created this attitude that people in those jobs are less because of it.
Workers being told to strive for personal excellence is only fair when they're being paid well. You shouldn't have to hurt yourself working full stop. And if a company is paying you peanuts then they should get what they're paying for with your work.
I do agree that trades have been looked down on unfairly. They're important and do require skill, and should be given more respect.
as someone who has been in retail for the past 10 years and trying to move on to anything else - I appreciate this. I was raised to treat all workers with respect, and it boggles my mind when folks lack the human decency to do the same. I do truly think something's gotta give, because some of the poor treatment I've been through over the years as well as seen others go through is simply not okay.
Thats a logic bomb right there
"...so you're bad." That killed me
“Working in a coffee shop” is the new “flipping burgers.” You may not want that job for yourself or your children but you still want those things. It’s not a stick to inspire the poor to “do better” it’s a thing you want around in society.
Maybe lol, I think you're missing his point. I think he believes that low end jobs should still, pay they're workers living wages. A lot of people, believe the poor should live with dignity. He's addressing the systemic problem while also questioning the man's morals.
@@Hana-oi9zi I think you're missing *my* point. I agree with everything Brennan said, I just think the cultural go-to has shifted from fast food workers to baristas. They both deserve a liveable wage, but when I was a kid we were all warned to avoid "burger flipping" as a career. Now it's "making coffee." It's the same BS talking point with a rebrand.
look. i think youre both missing the point. The most important lesson of this is.. respect everyone in whatever they do.
@@Hana-oi9zi define "living wage"
@@williambenton9959 I'd say a living wage is a wage that an individual is able to live on to be able to afford basic needs like rent/mortgage, food, clothes, etc. A stable lifestyle is key in point to "living wage". What that wage is in number form, I cant really say. Depends on where you live and how expensive things are. (I'm aware of inflation and if there was a way around not increasing prices with increasing wage then I believe it would be easier to raise wages)
This is also why minimum wage jobs SHOULD be able to comfortably provide for those who work them. If those services are needed and demanded, then the people who provide those services should be valued enough that they can HAVE A LIFE AND LIVE IT!
I feel like this also extends to people harping on adult content-producers (while consuming it frequently in their private life)
I used to work in Starbucks, and got paid 9 dollars an hour. They got me started with a 401k and even offered to pay for online college for me. It’s not the most valuable job because almost anyone could do it, and that’s reflected in the pay, but when you buy a ridiculously overpriced coffee from a place like that you’re also financing some great opportunities for unskilled people to upgrade their skill sets and provide more value to society and each other. Wall Street execs are valuable to people with a lot of money, but not to the rest of us, whereas baristas are valuable to everyone pretty equally.
This is how I was when I worked fast food as an adult. Everyone was quick to be horrible to us and then be like, "Well, only teenagers should work at these places. It's your fault for not having the work ethic to do something with your life."
Like... working in an 80 degree kitchen, getting food and drinks thrown at you, getting verbally berated over two pickles on a sandwich I didnt even make, literally running to do three different stations just so you can get your food in under three minutes and I dont have work ethic? All the times I was throwing up and had a fever and told I had to work anyway because all the teenagers were at school or wanting to enjoy their weekends/vacation time and I didnt have work ethic? If only teenagers should work fast food, then who is going to make the breakfast foods? All the coffees? Who is going to make anything that requires you to be at least 18 to operate? Or handle cash in the safe? Or fix a machine when it breaks? Cause it's not the teenagers, I'll tell ya that. If it's Taco Bell, then you arent going to get anything that isnt rehydrated because at least when I was there, only 18+ could pull food out of the thermalizer because that water could seriously injure you.
You need adults working these "teenager" jobs and they should be paid a rate where they can be comfortable and afford the therapy to put up with all the bullshit.
In my experience as someone who's worked fast food, the employees are usually mostly immigrants, so whenever people say things like "it's a job for teenagers" I see it as a major red flag. For many reasons honestly.
Imagine saying “working in a coffee shop isn’t a real career” to your bartender. The lack of social awareness is off the charts.
Why mess with people that touch your food/beverages?
Because it's not seen as an "upper class job". Despite the fact that if they shut down for a few hours we'd have riots and people attacking the place of business for not being open to sell them fast food and drink.
@@PoggoMcDawggo Truth. Remember when Karens freaked out during the height of lockdown because they couldn't get their Karen haircuts?
Classism. You can only convince people to not ask for more at their shitty jobs if you are able to threaten them with being forced to do even worse jobs to survive. Claiming that some jobs arent serious and dont deserve benefits or living wages is a way to ensure the existence of an underclass and keep the middle class in line.
@Jimbo Jones A golden corral shut down cause it ran out of food and the customers inside started fighting and throwing chairs at the staff. 🤷🏿♂️ people be crazy.
@@PoggoMcDawggo na we would just replace it with robots.
The same concept can be applied to pornstars and to some extent sex workers in general. People love watching porn and want it to exist, but then shame and hate all the pornstars themselves. It makes no sense.
Porn is an interesting one. I have no side personally but the counter I have heard is this. Porn is legitimately addictive and feeds off of natural urges. It would be like vindicating drug dealers because people love drugs and can’t get enough of them.
@@Rego-xn7kn counter to that counter: video games, coffee, junk food, they’re all addictive. Doesn’t mean they’re bad lmao. Also if you get rid of porn somehow ppl will still finds ways to “get off”, it’s the act itself that’s addictive
@@iesakhanji1995 it wasn’t really to do with the vice / activity being addictive. It was though people may love doing a certain thing, it doesn’t make it good. That’s the fault they are trying to convey in the argument. The addictive part is more so to tie into the drug or more specifically, “crack” analogy. People get addicted to crack, love crack but that doesn’t make the people who provide crack good
@@Rego-xn7kn true, but it doesn’t make it bad either.
@@iesakhanji1995 mhm, exactly. The argument isn’t to prove it as bad, just that it is also not inherently good.
How is Brennan this nice of a fucking guy
His mom, as far as I can tell :)
communism, baybyyy
He’s wicked smaht
I mean he’s just living his life man 🤷♂️
You cannot demand a service while simultaneously diminishing, ridiculing and reducing the people who provide that service
You actually can... There are lots of necessary jobs that are bad
@@lodevijk they're only "bad" because people insist that they are.
@@davidtaylor142 there are millions of people who ruin their health just to earn a few dollars a month. That's a bad job.
@@lodevijk and why do they only get a few dollars a month? Because people claim that they're "bad"
@@davidtaylor142 No, because that's just how economy works. You should try to just tell all the people in South East Asia who slave away for shit wages and breathe toxic air to just demand more money for their work. Other countries will be happy to relieve them of their workload.
Often the people we forget about the most have some of the most important roles. Farmers, garbage men, waiters, grocery clerks just to name a few. All jobs that go almost unnoticed to the our average every day lives, and yet society could not function without them. Just becuase a job isn't glamorous doesn't mean it's easy or any less important.
I have watched my barista friend try to have this conversation with people on the other side of his bar 🤦🏻 he’s like the best person I know. Shit sucks
Personally I’m like, mad I’m not working in a cafe
I don't wanna work there, but i Like being inside the place😏(work=responsibility Sigh,😞). 👀👀🤔🤗
I want to post this everywhere! I love the eloquence to this SO much. Every job deserves dignity and a living wage
Jobs which require performing skills which are easily attainable should be low paying, and would probably always will be, but they should be able to live in dignity.
True, but no one can take your dignity, you can only give it away.
this is why the "just get another job!" line doesn't work when we're talking about wages. somebody needs to run the coffee shops and amazon warehouses.
I love these shorts, when Brennan talks about stuff outside DnD.
If it’s extremist to believe that anyone living deserves dignity, comfort, and safety from their place of employment and living space, then I guess I’m an extremist. Sue me.
Low wage jobs should at least have benefits that make them worthwhile for retention of skilled workers. Nothing hurts a business more than an unskilled employee that doesn't care about the job
The lowest wage should literally always cover necessities and facilitate the ability to save money for the future (not a just in case fund but actual savings towards something)
@@ticklord that’s over $40k annually in the US’s cheapest city (as of December-before the gas hike).
It really bugs me how people don't consider service proffessions as real careers.
There’s a lot more money in owning than working
@@Estradiol_Gaming that is very true
Especially when those services (making a great cup of coffee, cutting your hair in a way that makes you feel great about yourself, always cooking your burger to the perfect medium rare) brings so much joy to so many people. What’s the finance guy adding? How many people did he make smile today? Probably zero.
@@emilyb3875 The finance guy made sure everyone walked away with a paycheck. Definitely made those guys happy.
Who keeps track of the bills? Who helps decide what the price should be to break even? Who makes certain that the taxes are filed correctly? The accountant and finance guy.
Every honest job deserves respect. It's a part of the community. But let's not get carried away with the pro-service rhetoric.
@@izaccsgansit3507 im gona guarantee you those “professionals” dont deserve their jobs. Never EVER underestimate how much someone will lie to you in the same breath that they try to tell you about how hard they work. Bullshit. Every last human on earth wants one thing, and one thing only: to work less and get more. Thats not a bad thing but its a true thing and anyone who says that their job is special and that theyre the ones who are the real hard workers are fucking lying
This is the conversation we need to be having!
As a barista, it warms my heart to hear this 🥹
Yeah, my grandpa used to work at an ice cream shop when he bought his first house in the 60s.
This is one of the most eloquent ways to put the idea of living wages
Minimum wage used to mean the minimum amount needed to live and raise a family. Now it's the minimum amount the employer can get away with paying.
Oh man, it's nice to hear it articulated like that!
THIS. I will continue to try to explain this concept to those around me that don’t get it: all people have value and everyone should be treated with fairness and dignity.
I work in event hospitality and end up working conferences a lot and my god the number of people who attend those and then treat the staff like shit is remarkable. It's like "I am a big important business man who is invited to this private function. How dare these people who are helping in running this function demand things of me like *paying* for my drinks"
comrade brennan laying out the truth plain and simple
Somehow he makes capitalism the big bad in half his campaigns and I love it
Oh my god finally someone knows how to treat workers. I worked at McDonald's and all anyone said is "that must suck" but the only thing that made it bad was the customers. It was a great work environment aside from people who don't work there.
Just remember, everything is relative