Here's how you fix the Sky Slider...remove said Sky Slider, then buy a hard shell RTT and attach it in place of the Sky Slider and boom...a dedicated overlander. Renegade package is a bonus. I find our '08 KK to be very uncomfortable...the trans tunnel intrudes so far into the footwell that you sit slightly crooked in it for your feet to line up to the pedals. To its credit, 180k miles so far and its still running great.
@@chriss5010 09 w125k. Same thing. Dash removed was the labor part. But I'm the orig owner. Still has ia t's lifetime warranty on the Eng/Drivetrain/Tranny. Used it twice, replaced the tension pully so they did the waterpump while they were at it (wink), and the front driveshaft's boot had a "tear" so the WHOLE thing was replaced. Mine has a 3inch lift, customer front steel bumper w/winch attachment, full skids, and sliders w/side rails, and the class III hitch. It's been a very reliable rig.
The skyslider wasn't the only other major flaw: the transfer case being electronic shift can toss solenoids to the tune of $1000 to fix. the previous KJ had a mechanically operated transfer case, which didn't have that problem.
Used Ranger Rovers, Maseratis, and even Bentleys are scary propositions. They are often bought buy people who have no idea what they are getting into. They merely want an impressive-looking car, not knowing that in the first few months you will spend more on maintenance and repairs than you did to initially buy the car.
Any one of the prestige brand cars I tell prospective buyers that if it’s only 10k your going to be paying me 12 or 13k for me to get it up to scratch. Now I’m mechanically skilled ( had to be when I started driving cause of all the clunkers I owned). Yes I bought a 1980s Bentley arnage turbo for 9k actually off a shop that didn’t know squat about fixing it ( I did ) the Arnage was one of the simpler cars of that type. The 6.75 liter V8 was muscle car simple with very minimal electronics. The black boxes I had to rework with electrical souder and a lot of time. ( I got the chips from a Bentley boneyard in the UK since gone out of business). I got the manuals from a local import car dealer who was going to throw them out. Took me close to a year and a half going over it when I had the time. I pretty much rewired the entire car ( adding fuses and circuit breakers where I thought they should have been and to save myself untold misery years later ). I had it ready just in time for my high school senior week to begin ( as an early graduation gift my dad had arranged to repaint it British racing green that spring for better paint drying results ). It was amazing how much simple tech was in one of those cars. Hell the transmission was a Turbo Hydromatic 400 that I rebuilt in tech school. I’ll say that the year before we had a kid graduating whos dad bought him a C5 corvette his junior year and a viper for his senior year. When they did the yearbook they used my Bentley cause it was all me and more teachers were curious about my 9k mistake then his fancy cars. I’ve still got it and spring summer and fall it comes out 2 days a week and for special occasions and she’s still hanging in there. I’ll be storing it for winter again soon. And since high school I’ve rebuilt the turbo once along with the 6.75 liter V8 ( They officially call it the 6 and 3/4 liter ). I still work for the same specialist European car garage but for day to day getting to work I drive a Toyota Tacoma 4x2 most days. Sure I love my Bentley but knowing how much work goes into keeping it going is why it’s only out a few days a week. The last thing I wanna do is the same thing i do at work for free on my own time
@@bradcomis1066 I think the new Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer are body on frame also, based on the Ram 1500. I don't know for certain, but I think the Commander was unibody, based on the Grand Cherokee.
Currently drive a Liberty with just under 100k miles it’s got intake, ported TB, exhaust, hypertech tune. Been good reliable and gets 18-19 mpg mixed driving I saw 25.5 once hand calculated going 60-65 on a 400 mile road trip. Before mods it was 14-16mpg. Sounds good and not as slow as it was.
Yeah if u got the KK body style with the electronic throttle body then one off a similar year 4.7 should bolt right up and eliminate the choke point. I got mine ported from a company called HiPoTek they only do the 02-07s now. Also my idle was 900-1000rpm the first few times after I swapped it out which ended up throwing a CEL but eventually the computer learned and the code went away
My dodge challenger averages like 26 but on a road trip to texas like 1700 miles i got 40 average during the trip was really good i was laughing at prius owners who were getting less and thats with a v6 which is great when you factor in the size of the vehicle and engine.
I think the first gen bmw minis were slightly better than modern ones because the engine was iron block and not too many electronics compared to newer ones but still I see way to many minis on marketplace for below 2k 😂
They pretty much all blow up eventual - mileage is irrelevant, could be 40k miles or 120k miles, they just blow up. Great drivers until they leave you stranded.
Yup, JLR products are notorious for that. My battery was almost dead in my Jaguar (also with the supercharged V8) and I got a transmission fault when trying to put it into park. Checked it with my scan tool and it had triggered over 60 codes. The battery was flat the next day so I charged it up all the way and all the codes went away.
My wife has a 2012 Liberty Jet Ed Limited bought new and now has 92k+ on it. She absolutly loves it and will not trade it in and has been very reliable with only brakes and battery replaced. The Liberty is also a unibody not bof. We also have a 21 Gladiator High Altitude, 90 Grand Wagoneer (like new and owned 23 yrs), and a 23 Grand Cherokee L Summit Reserve High Altitude and yet the wife only drives what she loves, her Liberty. Sometimes the Gladiator but mostly her Liberty. We do love all our Jeeps and have had great luck and driving pleasure with all in all 4 seasons on and off road.🎉🇺🇲🎉
Very interesting video. My only experience with the Mini was the 8 months some friends of mine.had the misfortune owning one. A flat tire was a 3,000 adventure. The joy of run flat tires in a very remote area. luckily things stopped moving just as the got cell service. Two nights in a motel, plus the cost of the tire plus the cost of shipping the wheel to the dealer added up in a hurry.
We were looking for a second Liberty last spring and found a 2011 for a reasonable price. When we arrived for a test drive, we found the dealership had conveniently left out the whole sliding roof aspect, and had managed to not show it in any of the photos. Having no desire for a sliding top of any kind we left and continued our search. About a week later, we found a 2012 Liberty Arctic edition in excellent shape. So, now we have a Liberty Jet and my Arctic and we love them.
My first thought about the Range Rover was also to swap the engine into something but then I came to my senses, parts for those thing would be an unknown expense.
Well if you got it for say 9k figure your going to dump 10k in parts easy though you might save if you used second hand ones. Problem with the range rovers was they got bought out by Tata motors of India and there’s virtually no support. Older orphan cars are mainly mechanical so a lot of stuff is user serviceable, newer ones like the Range Rover are not. A lot of the module issues and suspension issues aren’t horrible cause you can get them rebuilt ( though it’s going to involve overseas shipping to England ) it’s just the cost. See things like classic cars you can almost always find parts. The Range Rover? Not really ( hint Jaguars are a useful source of 5.0 V8 parts and there’s plenty of them to scavenge)
@13:30... My Supercharged S JCW convertible is an R52. If you can find a first gen S with the pretty rare JCW package, it makes 207HP. The JCW package is rare because back then, it was a dealer installed option and cost over $5k with installation. $5k for an option on a $25k car was a lot, so not many people bought it. Oh, I bought it a year ago with 92k miles for $5k. The bargains are found in the private market.
I had a kk cherokee new back in 2009 and it went everywhere on street tyres,I did 130,000kms in 1 year! No issues,super reliable and ended up putting 265/75r16 tyres on it and never got stuck
I’ve gotta lifted 2011 liberty with steel front and rear ATH bumpers plus exterior spare tire carrier/swing away set up, and I pulled it to Moab behind my motorhome and did the entire hells revenge trail, minus the gate due to a lack of a sufficient spotter. But had my entire family inside and I had zero problems tackling that trail. I took my old rubicon down that trail a couple years ago so I had set a high bar already, but i was incredibly impressed with how well the liberty did. I’ve even got some of it on my CZcams channel. Im still in Aw over it’s capability, honestly
Tommy...you didn't even mention the Liberty KK's notorious heater core. $1500 to replace in my 2012 last winter (at 70,000 miles) and $1350 was labor (have to rip the entire dash apart to access the core).
I've had two Liberty's and I have a Ram with the same 3.7. They are super reliable if you change the oil sometimes and always use HOAT antifreeze. If you put green antifreeze in them, you should drive it to the junkyard.
@@aarg2609 Hey, I found a SWEET new website. It's called google. I just like typed in HOAT antifreeze and it told me: HYBRID ORGANIC ACID TECHNOLOGY My mind is totally blown that it was THAT easy. I found the answer on my own without looking like an imbecile!
I had an 04 Liberty Renegade, trailrated and with all the off-road kit. It got me through 3 South Dakota winters where when snow comes, it comes down in truckloads. It was an under appreciated and very capable off-roader. I never an issue with it, and it never let me down. No weird top like this thing however.
Wow, I love that sliding fabric roof! I only ever remember seeing Webasto-style roofs on weird old Euro cars, had no idea it was available on a fairly modern Jeep.
The newer JL Wranglers have this option. They call it the Sky One Touch (SOT). They have been available for several years now. More/less the same thing.
My husband had the liberty with the skyslider and he would never open it because he was afraid it would break. The transmission started slipping at 70k so he traded it for a new Tacoma. I still have the Tacoma 11 years later with 250k miles on it running perfect.
In the range rovers, I believe there was a 2 way infotainment screen. The driver could see Nav, and other car rated things but the passenger could see a DVD from their side.
It's nice to finally see someone else who likes the Liberty! I think the KK in particular looks great inside and out and the 4x4 system already makes it a far better off road vehicle than the vast majority of the small SUV/crossover competition. They're seriously underrated, in my opinion.
Brought my 08' in 2019 w/94k,dealership owner said the 4x4 system was same set from the early 80's AMC days. I've never had an issue but have rarely had to use it much....rare for living in the NE lol
Own a 2005 Liberty, bought new. 300K still going strong, no major issues yet.Once got out of a watered pothole that a Ford 4X4 needed a tow truck to get out of. It amazes me only dealers can bid , these auctions should be open to the Public. The Law protects the their own.
The square liberty's were known for transmissions going out. We knew a few people in town who owned them. One was sent to auction with 70,000 miles on it after it ate the gears.
I've only rented a Liberty, and that was the 1st gen Liberty when it came out in 2002. I went down to Houston to see my girlfriend at the time, who was invited to a wedding and she invited me to come down so we could officially meet each other. We met online in November 1999, and we finally managed to meet in February 2002. I rented a Pontiac Grand Am and since I was a Travel Agent at the time, the rental agency upgraded me to the Liberty for the same price. It was my first time even becoming aware of the vehicle so I took the offer. It was actually the first generation that had the foot room issue, since it narrowed down on the front end, the foot space was at best 16 inches so your feet didn't have much acreage to move around in. The 2nd generation had much better foot room in comparison, but it is still a bit cramped down there. I did note a gas mileage average of 18 mpg while using it, but figgured since it only had 9000 miles, it might not have been completely broken in yet and mileage might go up a bit...then after further research online, I discovered that was what they got. Pretty sad in comparison. It was a brand new engine both in mileage and as a newly manufactured product, and that was the best they could do. Driving it was fairly comfortable, except for my girlfriend. I came from North Dakota where it was 20 degrees outside in February, and Houston TX was at 70 degrees. That was a 50 degree change for me. My girlfriend was from Atlanta where it was also around 70 degrees in February. Needless to say, I was a bit uncomfortable and ran the A/C for my comfort, which I can report worked excellently. However, my girlfriend had to bundle up in every jacket we had in the vehicle because I kept it too cold for her. Incidentially, I moved to Atlanta the next spring in 03 and we got married in November 03 and are happily still together. We did move back to North Dakota in Sept 06 and moved her 2 sisters up here in Feb 2017. I bought a 97 Chevy C2500 to move to Georgia with, and that was our family vehicle until we moved back up to ND. It stayed at her mom's place for a couple of years, then I went down there for a few days to get the truck running again and brought it back to ND. Currently I'm looking for a replacement 5.7l engine for it, one of the head gaskets failed and it's leaking antifreeze into the crank case. In my later years, I became an Auto Care Technician at Walmart so I got to start servicing these vehicles. Needless to say, my impression of the Liberty didn't get a whole better. Accessing the oil filter was a chore to say the least. Not the worst I've ever tried to do, but definitely they could have done a much better job of filter placement. The rest of the underbody servicing was pretty much as any other 4X4 standard configured pickup/suv would have been so not that much of an issue, though I still question the use of rubber plugs instead of actual threaded check plugs in the front and rear differentials. Overall, I do have to say I liked the Liberty I rented that trip, it was an experience and a memory of our first time together that neither of us will forget, and I'd love to find one someplace, even if it's a 2nd gen, just not with the retractable top the one here has.
Worked at a Porche/Audi/Landrover dealership, the "back lot" collected cars they would not put out on a used lot. Came within a hairs width of buying 80s Mercedes and Jeeps. Deal for employees, only one per year at cost, and do not get caught flipping it or you were fired.
My sister has a 2003 Jeep Liberty (She bought it new) that doesn't have 88000 on it. It has proved to be super reliable. I since rebuilt 2 2006 Libertys from wrecks from the July Eastern Kentucky Floods and after thorough cleanings, look and drive like new. I dropped a 3.7 Jeep engine (Also from the flood wrecks) into a 2004 Ford Ranger 4x4. Working good so far.
Love the video. As someone who spent many years in Aviation and the car biz in Denver, I really liked going back to the Auction to watch. I was close on every pick you showed. Nothing has changed with Rover, they're still Sale-Proof. Regarding CVT Trans, you couldn't give me one. We had them early on in the Honda World and I hated them then. I spent time pedaling Rovers too! Ha.......... we couldn't wait for them to clear the sidewalk on delivery day.
I had a 2005 Liberty Renegade, traded it in 2017... It was ok, definitely disappointing gas mileage, and it ate brake rotors. And Tommy was incorrect, the Liberty is unibody construction not body on frame.
@D B the only electrical issue with mine was the fan speed control, and I have the same problem with my 97 Wrangler - it only works on max. Aside from the 4.0 not fitting in the platform, it was too thirsty and too dirty for the 21st century. I'd rather have had the 3.6 Pentastar, but it wasn't around yet.
I love that top when it's new, and leaking and possibility of broken down were the only major reason I didn't bought one. But I definitely won't pay 10k for that liberty.
I am surprised that the comment section isn't filled with Range Rover owners claiming theirs have gone 250k miles without even a light bulb failure and that they just need a occasional oil change and windshield washer fluid top up to be more reliable/durable than a Lexus.
Making some progress on car audio there Tommy, thanks for mentioning Infinity. Original Kappa speakers from the early 2000's were incredible, and follow-on Kappa Perfect speakers couldn't replicate the same accuracy across the spectrum - mainly 300 ish Hz to 1 KHz. Obviously this OEM Jeep Infinity system is orders of magnitude less palatable than the old stuff but still better than Bose or "Mach" from the same era of cars.
The sky slider was not a fatal flaw in the Jeep Liberty. Very few came optioned with those. If those sky sliders were lubricated frequently it would alleviate some of the issues. I have a 12 Arctic with a sunroof. Unexpectedly reliable.
I have a liberty with a sky slider, it broke three months after I purchased it and the dealer told me parts are no longer available. Try paying four years of payments on a vehicle with a broken roof I call that a fatal flaw.
I saw one of these in a movie and it said Cherokee on the side. I had no idea the Liberty had any such package. Also I’ve been wanting a little R50 Mini for road trips since my Mini SE isn’t so great for them and my truck gets 14 MPG.
ANY 4.0L powered Nissan truck, check the coolant reservoir for trans fluid. When I worked at a Nissan dealer, when we got trade ins like that, they went straight to the auction. Very common issue.
When the L322 Vogue showed up and you asked "What's wrong with this one?" I said: EVERYTHING! And I was right XD Because I own a 2010 Vogue 3.6 diesel and whilst mine is in pretty good shape because I maintain it, I just know what they're like
1. The KK Liberty only came with the 6 speed manual option for 2008 in the US. 2. The Jeep Liberty was NEVER a body on frame vehicle. It has always been a unibody.
They are hunks of fried dogshit. I can’t believe i read like 15 comments from satisfied liberty owners. They literally fall apart sitting in the driveway.
My daughter inlaw had a Mini 2003 Cooper it had a manual gearbox 40,000 miles on it at the time. Paid big for it. The gearbox gave awful problems and it was manual. They are supposed to be a small BMW, they are definitely not. Car had to be scrapped after owning it for two years.
Had a friend with that roof in her Jeep. It jammed open multiple times and once it tore off while she was on the freeway (it was closed at the time). After spending nearly 3 months in the repair shop, the dealer eventually bought it back from her.
I'm still seeing a lot of Liberties on the road in our somewhat rural area but not a single one that I've seen to date has had a "convertible" roof of any kind. To be honest, until I saw this video, I did not know such an option, if that was what it was, had ever existed. 4X4 Liberties don't last long on used car lots in this area as they get snapped up by folks wanting a smallish, hard top, four door 4X4 for use as hunting/fishing/and beater vehicles that they can drive on the highway but not have to worry about scratching the paint or dents for that matter, resulting from driving through the briars and brambles.
I have an r50 mini with the Cvt. I am at 198k miles. Still works but it’s starting to feel rough. I drive it to work every day but I’m waiting for the transmission to give out soon. Also the headlight bulbs burn out all the time since they are on the hood like that.
11:27 The headlights go up with the hood. That’s something I like about these first gen Minis. This isn’t legal anymore so it makes these vehicles unique.
Hey Tommy, @ 2:54, you mentioned that the Liberty is a "body on frame". I am pretty sure that both the KJ and KK version were unibody (like the Cherokee it replaced in the early 2000s).
@20:50... All of those lost communication codes are from a dead battery. I'd bet at least 90% of those code won't come back if the battery is replaced and the codes are cleared.
Please!!!! I Love the KK, Take one to the Trails and show how much capable are those! With a 2,5" lift it is a rugged Bad A.. Jeep! Has a lot of torque and has a real low range transfer case!
It’s a unibody. It’s a small CUV, about the size of a Corolla Cross. He is wrong calling it a large SUV and body on frame. It looks bigger than it is because of the high ride height.
The second generation liberty is, unique as far as I know insofar as consumer reports said it was quite a bit inferior to the previous version. Way to go Chrysler.
Ive had both versions and i know for sure the second generation is superior. More dependable way better ride, and with brake traction control a better stock 4 wheeler.
the first gen libertys had more room and the seats were softer and I never seen a low mileage liberty in the first gen my shop. always gets them with 200,000+ miles still running
@@adamogden5212 nope not true, first gens where definitely smaller in and out, first gen rode like a bucking horse and had rust issues with the doors, ask me how i know.
I own a 04 Sport and a 12 Jet and I like my 04 much better, I'm a big guy and I fit better in the 04, I like the looks of the 02-06 Liberty also, they both are stiff riding although I did redo the 04 and it's a little softer now.
My husband's daughter has a 2011 Jeep Liberty without the roof slider still running. I was offered a Jeep Liberty at a used auto dealer that bought from auctions but I went for a 2012 Nissan ProX 4 which my hubby loves.
my best friend bought one of these with a working sky slider a few years ago. even after I warned her about the sky slider issue she still bought it. sure enough after about a week of ownership it broke in a partially open position. can't be moved. and she now has it duct taped down and it still leaks. Stay far away from these sky sliders.
I’m sure other viewers were the same but I personally thought the RR was a no sale. When I heard 12k and 7k guesses I thought both of youse were nuts. 1k would be too much. Probably 10k to sort everything then sells for maybe 9k. It’s destination is the scrap yard.
have had 2 liberty’s, first one had the ss roof, current one doesn’t, for obvious reasons lol. great truck, tight foot space and it’s cramped if you’re 5 foot 7+ (6 foot and it’s a squeeze), but it’s quick for what it is (a 4,300 lbs 210hp truck), eats snow in 2wd (with good tires) with 4wd for the tricky bits, and dependable. keep it happy maintain it, change it’s oil, give it good gas, and treat it right, and it’ll go happily over 150,000+
The liberty’s have problems braking lower ball joints there’s a recall for them my cousin had one brake while going 70 and it almost killed him, they leak water into the lower ball joint and would seize up and twist off
We had a completely upgraded and spec'd out 2006 Cooper S, with auto - wife's car. That thing was so much fun! The supercharger whine was also really cool to hear.
Remember when Roman was bragging that Land Rover was the ultimate luxury SUV when they bought the new Defender…LMFAO! Then they went through 3 of them because various things broke…LMFAO! I wonder if he still thinks that…
R50/R53 mini is a Chrysler engine (tritec range used in the Dodge Neon etc) chaps, how you not know that...the mk2 R56 had the bmw/psa Prince engine. Engines are fairly robust. Just like leaking oil. Crankcase oring, sump gasket (pain in the arse to change) rocker gasket, all leak.
I love how the thing to the look out for in the liberty is that. They all don’t have that. But you know what they all do have garbage engines and trannys. The ones up here in the salt belt end up rotting in front of the rear lower control arm. Then the whole control arm rips off the body. 😂😂😂
I have a feeling a slight lift and some all terrain tires would make them into beasts, especially if they're 2006 or newer model years, as those had ABS anti-slip control.
I can’t help it!!!! You missed one! I had a 2012 Jeep Patriot off road, trail rated model. I bought it to take on deer hunting trips. It excelled due to its small footprint off-road until I discovered its fatal flaw, highway performance. Because it was geared for off-road use it ran absurd RPMs on the highways. Not only did it get horrible mileage one summer I took it on a road trip to the Texas coast. 7 hours at 70+ mph in 100 degree heat and the vehicle went into limp mode. Why? The factory transmission cooler is to small to effectively cool the transmission over 70 mph. In 2012 that was the speed limit in most of the nation. In Texas we now have speed limits as high as 85. Chrysler refused to discuss this design flaw. A custom cooler was available aftermarket but it would void the warranty. Big flaw, so good off road, so bad getting there!
Fatal flaws in a Mini, let me count the ways. My buddy had a first generation and dumped it at 38,000 miles after the complete rear suspension had to be replaced.
I wonder how many times those no-sale and no-bid vehicles get relisted before the seller finally drops the reserve to get rid of it. Does the auction charge a storage fee, or is storage free as long as you pay to relist it again? How much does it cost to list every time? It can’t be just a cut/commission, or the no-sales would cause sellers to use inflated reserve prices at no risk.
I have an 08' KK sport w/155k,I drive about 80 miles round trip a day mostly all highway n get around 20mpg. Bad heater core placement but a good runner. Not a skyrider...could use a little more interior room tho.
My '05 got into the low 20's on the highway, but was really disappointing around town, about 12-14 mpg IIRC. Part of that was my short, 5 miles or less commute - it was barely warmed up by the time I got to work. I also thought the old 4speed auto held it back, more gears better matched to the engine would have been more efficient.
1st gen was a Chrysler 4cyl 2nd gen (07 and up) was a Peugeot motor. I owned a 2nd gen manual transmission non turbo it was still pretty unreliable but I dodged the transmission and turbo grenades haha.
On the Jeep I said $7500..Here in FL they are NOT valuable! So $8250 I guess I was close? I even think that is too much for those things..Here in Fl they are not favored at all!! They are considered a Neon level suv haha
Here's how you fix the Sky Slider...remove said Sky Slider, then buy a hard shell RTT and attach it in place of the Sky Slider and boom...a dedicated overlander. Renegade package is a bonus. I find our '08 KK to be very uncomfortable...the trans tunnel intrudes so far into the footwell that you sit slightly crooked in it for your feet to line up to the pedals. To its credit, 180k miles so far and its still running great.
155k on my 08'. Very bad heater core placement....had mine done last spring, $1k just in labor.
I’m impressed that you kept and drove an uncomfortable vehicle for 180k miles.
@@Cloud30000 I'm not the primary driver, so not an issue.
I just dont understand it though. Why. Soft top, proprietary mechanisms? Just sell someone a 4door wrangler?
@@chriss5010 09 w125k. Same thing. Dash removed was the labor part. But I'm the orig owner. Still has ia t's lifetime warranty on the Eng/Drivetrain/Tranny. Used it twice, replaced the tension pully so they did the waterpump while they were at it (wink), and the front driveshaft's boot had a "tear" so the WHOLE thing was replaced. Mine has a 3inch lift, customer front steel bumper w/winch attachment, full skids, and sliders w/side rails, and the class III hitch. It's been a very reliable rig.
The skyslider wasn't the only other major flaw: the transfer case being electronic shift can toss solenoids to the tune of $1000 to fix. the previous KJ had a mechanically operated transfer case, which didn't have that problem.
Used Ranger Rovers, Maseratis, and even Bentleys are scary propositions. They are often bought buy people who have no idea what they are getting into. They merely want an impressive-looking car, not knowing that in the first few months you will spend more on maintenance and repairs than you did to initially buy the car.
They’re $10k used cars with maintenance costs proper to their $100k original price.
Any one of the prestige brand cars I tell prospective buyers that if it’s only 10k your going to be paying me 12 or 13k for me to get it up to scratch. Now I’m mechanically skilled ( had to be when I started driving cause of all the clunkers I owned). Yes I bought a 1980s Bentley arnage turbo for 9k actually off a shop that didn’t know squat about fixing it ( I did ) the Arnage was one of the simpler cars of that type. The 6.75 liter V8 was muscle car simple with very minimal electronics. The black boxes I had to rework with electrical souder and a lot of time. ( I got the chips from a Bentley boneyard in the UK since gone out of business). I got the manuals from a local import car dealer who was going to throw them out. Took me close to a year and a half going over it when I had the time. I pretty much rewired the entire car ( adding fuses and circuit breakers where I thought they should have been and to save myself untold misery years later ). I had it ready just in time for my high school senior week to begin ( as an early graduation gift my dad had arranged to repaint it British racing green that spring for better paint drying results ). It was amazing how much simple tech was in one of those cars. Hell the transmission was a Turbo Hydromatic 400 that I rebuilt in tech school. I’ll say that the year before we had a kid graduating whos dad bought him a C5 corvette his junior year and a viper for his senior year. When they did the yearbook they used my Bentley cause it was all me and more teachers were curious about my 9k mistake then his fancy cars. I’ve still got it and spring summer and fall it comes out 2 days a week and for special occasions and she’s still hanging in there. I’ll be storing it for winter again soon. And since high school I’ve rebuilt the turbo once along with the 6.75 liter V8 ( They officially call it the 6 and 3/4 liter ). I still work for the same specialist European car garage but for day to day getting to work I drive a Toyota Tacoma 4x2 most days. Sure I love my Bentley but knowing how much work goes into keeping it going is why it’s only out a few days a week. The last thing I wanna do is the same thing i do at work for free on my own time
Would it be possible to put the original MSRP as configured in future videos? It might be interesting to get an idea of the depreciation.
2:55 as first gen liberty kj crd owner and fan, liberty were NOT body on frame, Tommy!
Even the XJ that it replaced was unibody right back to ‘84. Common Tommy
I think its the case the only body on frame Jeeps are Wranglers, no? (90s and up)
They have attributes of both- a hard mounted frame with the monocoque design of a unibody.
@@bradcomis1066 I think the new Wagoneer/Grand Wagoneer are body on frame also, based on the Ram 1500. I don't know for certain, but I think the Commander was unibody, based on the Grand Cherokee.
I have 271,000 miles on my 2011 Liberty
Still a dependable daily driver
Currently drive a Liberty with just under 100k miles it’s got intake, ported TB, exhaust, hypertech tune. Been good reliable and gets 18-19 mpg mixed driving I saw 25.5 once hand calculated going 60-65 on a 400 mile road trip. Before mods it was 14-16mpg. Sounds good and not as slow as it was.
Where'd you get your throttle body? I'm thinking about slapping a 4.7 on but the fastman one is supposedly better if you can find it
Yeah if u got the KK body style with the electronic throttle body then one off a similar year 4.7 should bolt right up and eliminate the choke point. I got mine ported from a company called HiPoTek they only do the 02-07s now. Also my idle was 900-1000rpm the first few times after I swapped it out which ended up throwing a CEL but eventually the computer learned and the code went away
My dodge challenger averages like 26 but on a road trip to texas like 1700 miles i got 40 average during the trip was really good i was laughing at prius owners who were getting less and thats with a v6 which is great when you factor in the size of the vehicle and engine.
I've never heard anyone call a MINI reliable.
A Brit mini or a Mexi-mini?
It will reliably empty your bank account.
@@robspear03 Not made in Britain made in Germany.
I think the first gen bmw minis were slightly better than modern ones because the engine was iron block and not too many electronics compared to newer ones but still I see way to many minis on marketplace for below 2k 😂
They pretty much all blow up eventual - mileage is irrelevant, could be 40k miles or 120k miles, they just blow up. Great drivers until they leave you stranded.
Loving this series and the factoids with each car/vehicle.
Jeep now puts the “sky slider” top int the wranglers as a $4000 option. Pretty cool roof option. Also they call it the “Sky one touch power top” now.
Usually with so many codes it can be low voltage issues that a new battery can help alleviate some of the excess codes
Yup, JLR products are notorious for that. My battery was almost dead in my Jaguar (also with the supercharged V8) and I got a transmission fault when trying to put it into park. Checked it with my scan tool and it had triggered over 60 codes. The battery was flat the next day so I charged it up all the way and all the codes went away.
My wife has a 2012 Liberty Jet Ed Limited bought new and now has 92k+ on it. She absolutly loves it and will not trade it in and has been very reliable with only brakes and battery replaced. The Liberty is also a unibody not bof. We also have a 21 Gladiator High Altitude, 90 Grand Wagoneer (like new and owned 23 yrs), and a 23 Grand Cherokee L Summit Reserve High Altitude and yet the wife only drives what she loves, her Liberty. Sometimes the Gladiator but mostly her Liberty. We do love all our Jeeps and have had great luck and driving pleasure with all in all 4 seasons on and off road.🎉🇺🇲🎉
Very interesting video. My only experience with the Mini was the 8 months some friends of mine.had the misfortune owning one. A flat tire was a 3,000 adventure. The joy of run flat tires in a very remote area. luckily things stopped moving just as the got cell service. Two nights in a motel, plus the cost of the tire plus the cost of shipping the wheel to the dealer added up in a hurry.
Let's hope BMW find a way to solve punctures and cell network coverage, how terrible of them so far
We were looking for a second Liberty last spring and found a 2011 for a reasonable price. When we arrived for a test drive, we found the dealership had conveniently left out the whole sliding roof aspect, and had managed to not show it in any of the photos. Having no desire for a sliding top of any kind we left and continued our search. About a week later, we found a 2012 Liberty Arctic edition in excellent shape. So, now we have a Liberty Jet and my Arctic and we love them.
Just bought a 2012 Jeep Liberty Arctic myself a couple months ago. Only problem so far is a leak from the glove box when it rains lately.
My first thought about the Range Rover was also to swap the engine into something but then I came to my senses, parts for those thing would be an unknown expense.
Well if you got it for say 9k figure your going to dump 10k in parts easy though you might save if you used second hand ones. Problem with the range rovers was they got bought out by Tata motors of India and there’s virtually no support. Older orphan cars are mainly mechanical so a lot of stuff is user serviceable, newer ones like the Range Rover are not. A lot of the module issues and suspension issues aren’t horrible cause you can get them rebuilt ( though it’s going to involve overseas shipping to England ) it’s just the cost. See things like classic cars you can almost always find parts. The Range Rover? Not really ( hint Jaguars are a useful source of 5.0 V8 parts and there’s plenty of them to scavenge)
@13:30... My Supercharged S JCW convertible is an R52. If you can find a first gen S with the pretty rare JCW package, it makes 207HP. The JCW package is rare because back then, it was a dealer installed option and cost over $5k with installation. $5k for an option on a $25k car was a lot, so not many people bought it. Oh, I bought it a year ago with 92k miles for $5k. The bargains are found in the private market.
I had a kk cherokee new back in 2009 and it went everywhere on street tyres,I did 130,000kms in 1 year! No issues,super reliable and ended up putting 265/75r16 tyres on it and never got stuck
I’ve gotta lifted 2011 liberty with steel front and rear ATH bumpers plus exterior spare tire carrier/swing away set up, and I pulled it to Moab behind my motorhome and did the entire hells revenge trail, minus the gate due to a lack of a sufficient spotter. But had my entire family inside and I had zero problems tackling that trail. I took my old rubicon down that trail a couple years ago so I had set a high bar already, but i was incredibly impressed with how well the liberty did. I’ve even got some of it on my CZcams channel. Im still in Aw over it’s capability, honestly
Tommy...you didn't even mention the Liberty KK's notorious heater core. $1500 to replace in my 2012 last winter (at 70,000 miles) and $1350 was labor (have to rip the entire dash apart to access the core).
I've had two Liberty's and I have a Ram with the same 3.7. They are super reliable if you change the oil sometimes and always use HOAT antifreeze. If you put green antifreeze in them, you should drive it to the junkyard.
I might be stupid but what is HOAT antifreeze?
Driving a 2004 jeep liberty with a 3.7 I bought new. 220k miles on it. Transmission has been going out for 9 years, but it still drives.
@@aarg2609 Hey, I found a SWEET new website. It's called google.
I just like typed in HOAT antifreeze and it told me: HYBRID ORGANIC ACID TECHNOLOGY
My mind is totally blown that it was THAT easy. I found the answer on my own without looking like an imbecile!
The liberty is actually unibody like an old Cherokee. I’ve also never seen a second gen liberty with a manual.
Correct…was going to post the same thing.👍
I had an 04 Liberty Renegade, trailrated and with all the off-road kit. It got me through 3 South Dakota winters where when snow comes, it comes down in truckloads. It was an under appreciated and very capable off-roader. I never an issue with it, and it never let me down. No weird top like this thing however.
it got you through only 3 winters?
Wow, I love that sliding fabric roof! I only ever remember seeing Webasto-style roofs on weird old Euro cars, had no idea it was available on a fairly modern Jeep.
they all leak and fail. how could you love it???
The newer JL Wranglers have this option. They call it the Sky One Touch (SOT). They have been available for several years now. More/less the same thing.
I drove my 2011 Liberty across country from NY to LA I miss that thing. Love this video concept Tommy great job!
My husband had the liberty with the skyslider and he would never open it because he was afraid it would break. The transmission started slipping at 70k so he traded it for a new Tacoma. I still have the Tacoma 11 years later with 250k miles on it running perfect.
In the range rovers, I believe there was a 2 way infotainment screen. The driver could see Nav, and other car rated things but the passenger could see a DVD from their side.
It's nice to finally see someone else who likes the Liberty! I think the KK in particular looks great inside and out and the 4x4 system already makes it a far better off road vehicle than the vast majority of the small SUV/crossover competition. They're seriously underrated, in my opinion.
Brought my 08' in 2019 w/94k,dealership owner said the 4x4 system was same set from the early 80's AMC days. I've never had an issue but have rarely had to use it much....rare for living in the NE lol
especially the Renegade edition. I've taken mine on Jeep only events. Even in full stock form it kept up with Wranglers with basic mods.
Own a 2005 Liberty, bought new. 300K still going strong, no major issues yet.Once got out of a watered
pothole that a Ford 4X4 needed a tow truck to get out of.
It amazes me only dealers can bid , these auctions should be open to the Public. The Law protects the their own.
@@gus892 it would have been cool to see TFL snag it and give it a off-road adventure. At least at there own course. See how if faired after a decade.
2008 Sport could also be had with 6 speed manual transmission
The square liberty's were known for transmissions going out. We knew a few people in town who owned them. One was sent to auction with 70,000 miles on it after it ate the gears.
yeah the 42rle's are known for being junk. wish jeep stayed with the 45rfe like on the 2002 liberty (and half of the 2003's)
I've only rented a Liberty, and that was the 1st gen Liberty when it came out in 2002. I went down to Houston to see my girlfriend at the time, who was invited to a wedding and she invited me to come down so we could officially meet each other. We met online in November 1999, and we finally managed to meet in February 2002. I rented a Pontiac Grand Am and since I was a Travel Agent at the time, the rental agency upgraded me to the Liberty for the same price. It was my first time even becoming aware of the vehicle so I took the offer.
It was actually the first generation that had the foot room issue, since it narrowed down on the front end, the foot space was at best 16 inches so your feet didn't have much acreage to move around in. The 2nd generation had much better foot room in comparison, but it is still a bit cramped down there.
I did note a gas mileage average of 18 mpg while using it, but figgured since it only had 9000 miles, it might not have been completely broken in yet and mileage might go up a bit...then after further research online, I discovered that was what they got. Pretty sad in comparison. It was a brand new engine both in mileage and as a newly manufactured product, and that was the best they could do.
Driving it was fairly comfortable, except for my girlfriend. I came from North Dakota where it was 20 degrees outside in February, and Houston TX was at 70 degrees. That was a 50 degree change for me. My girlfriend was from Atlanta where it was also around 70 degrees in February. Needless to say, I was a bit uncomfortable and ran the A/C for my comfort, which I can report worked excellently. However, my girlfriend had to bundle up in every jacket we had in the vehicle because I kept it too cold for her.
Incidentially, I moved to Atlanta the next spring in 03 and we got married in November 03 and are happily still together. We did move back to North Dakota in Sept 06 and moved her 2 sisters up here in Feb 2017. I bought a 97 Chevy C2500 to move to Georgia with, and that was our family vehicle until we moved back up to ND. It stayed at her mom's place for a couple of years, then I went down there for a few days to get the truck running again and brought it back to ND. Currently I'm looking for a replacement 5.7l engine for it, one of the head gaskets failed and it's leaking antifreeze into the crank case.
In my later years, I became an Auto Care Technician at Walmart so I got to start servicing these vehicles. Needless to say, my impression of the Liberty didn't get a whole better. Accessing the oil filter was a chore to say the least. Not the worst I've ever tried to do, but definitely they could have done a much better job of filter placement. The rest of the underbody servicing was pretty much as any other 4X4 standard configured pickup/suv would have been so not that much of an issue, though I still question the use of rubber plugs instead of actual threaded check plugs in the front and rear differentials.
Overall, I do have to say I liked the Liberty I rented that trip, it was an experience and a memory of our first time together that neither of us will forget, and I'd love to find one someplace, even if it's a 2nd gen, just not with the retractable top the one here has.
That top is actually pretty cool. But I would never expect one to be reliable
Worked at a Porche/Audi/Landrover dealership, the "back lot" collected cars they would not put out on a used lot. Came within a hairs width of buying 80s Mercedes and Jeeps. Deal for employees, only one per year at cost, and do not get caught flipping it or you were fired.
My sister has a 2003 Jeep Liberty (She bought it new) that doesn't have 88000 on it. It has proved to be super reliable. I since rebuilt 2 2006 Libertys from wrecks from the July Eastern Kentucky Floods and after thorough cleanings, look and drive like new. I dropped a 3.7 Jeep engine (Also from the flood wrecks) into a 2004 Ford Ranger 4x4. Working good so far.
Love the series guys! This and the junk yard thing. You two work great together!!
Love the video. As someone who spent many years in Aviation and the car biz in Denver, I really liked going back to the Auction to watch. I was close on every pick you showed. Nothing has changed with Rover, they're still Sale-Proof. Regarding CVT Trans, you couldn't give me one. We had them early on in the Honda World and I hated them then. I spent time pedaling Rovers too! Ha.......... we couldn't wait for them to clear the sidewalk on delivery day.
I like what the two are doing. Those three were 👎👎👎for me. I seen a Maroon Tahoe that sparked my interest plus TT. Keep’m coming
Very interesting and knowledgeable about cars. Thanks for educating some of us like me!
I owned a first generation Liberty (2005 I think) and I loved it. I wasn't a fan of the 2nd generation though.
I had a 2005 Liberty Renegade, traded it in 2017... It was ok, definitely disappointing gas mileage, and it ate brake rotors. And Tommy was incorrect, the Liberty is unibody construction not body on frame.
@D B I never had any trouble with mine, but I only had it for 6 or 7 years.
@D B the only electrical issue with mine was the fan speed control, and I have the same problem with my 97 Wrangler - it only works on max. Aside from the 4.0 not fitting in the platform, it was too thirsty and too dirty for the 21st century. I'd rather have had the 3.6 Pentastar, but it wasn't around yet.
I love that top when it's new, and leaking and possibility of broken down were the only major reason I didn't bought one. But I definitely won't pay 10k for that liberty.
It’s worth about $4k tops.
Wow! Good job picking POS's. It was a close run, but you had them in correct order from 3 to #1 with the biggest POS being the Land Rover. Good job!
The earliest Minis lacked a reverse lockout. A few owners made expensive mistakes.
I am surprised that the comment section isn't filled with Range Rover owners claiming theirs have gone 250k miles without even a light bulb failure and that they just need a occasional oil change and windshield washer fluid top up to be more reliable/durable than a Lexus.
Making some progress on car audio there Tommy, thanks for mentioning Infinity. Original Kappa speakers from the early 2000's were incredible, and follow-on Kappa Perfect speakers couldn't replicate the same accuracy across the spectrum - mainly 300 ish Hz to 1 KHz. Obviously this OEM Jeep Infinity system is orders of magnitude less palatable than the old stuff but still better than Bose or "Mach" from the same era of cars.
The sky slider was not a fatal flaw in the Jeep Liberty. Very few came optioned with those. If those sky sliders were lubricated frequently it would alleviate some of the issues. I have a 12 Arctic with a sunroof. Unexpectedly reliable.
I have a liberty with a sky slider, it broke three months after I purchased it and the dealer told me parts are no longer available. Try paying four years of payments on a vehicle with a broken roof I call that a fatal flaw.
I saw one of these in a movie and it said Cherokee on the side. I had no idea the Liberty had any such package.
Also I’ve been wanting a little R50 Mini for road trips since my Mini SE isn’t so great for them and my truck gets 14 MPG.
kj and kk are cherokees. Only in usa are called liberty. It's not a package, it's the name of the model
ANY 4.0L powered Nissan truck, check the coolant reservoir for trans fluid. When I worked at a Nissan dealer, when we got trade ins like that, they went straight to the auction. Very common issue.
Yes!! I just bought a 2008 sky slider kk for 1000. 108,000 miles
Mom had an 07 nitro and I remember running that Liberty in far cry 2, so I’m a sucker for them.
When the L322 Vogue showed up and you asked "What's wrong with this one?" I said: EVERYTHING!
And I was right XD
Because I own a 2010 Vogue 3.6 diesel and whilst mine is in pretty good shape because I maintain it, I just know what they're like
1. The KK Liberty only came with the 6 speed manual option for 2008 in the US.
2. The Jeep Liberty was NEVER a body on frame vehicle. It has always been a unibody.
All CVT's do not fail. My Fusion has 180K miles and feels like new.
8250 for a liberty is way to much. I never experienced a liberty that was good
They are hunks of fried dogshit. I can’t believe i read like 15 comments from satisfied liberty owners. They literally fall apart sitting in the driveway.
It’s worth $3-4k at the action and maybe $5-6k retail. Of course it didn’t sell. Used car prices are falling like a rock.
CVTs are great for hybrids, my C-Max is up to 300k miles.
My daughter inlaw had a Mini 2003 Cooper it had a manual gearbox 40,000 miles on it at the time. Paid big for it. The gearbox gave awful problems and it was manual. They are supposed to be a small BMW, they are definitely not. Car had to be scrapped after owning it for two years.
On the prefacelift R50 mini coopers the 5spd is junk as well. Post face-lift is better and 6spd conversion better still.
My 2003 Honda Pilot has a aftermarket sunroof from Wabasto was done in 2003 and looks and works great I love it
Had a friend with that roof in her Jeep. It jammed open multiple times and once it tore off while she was on the freeway (it was closed at the time). After spending nearly 3 months in the repair shop, the dealer eventually bought it back from her.
I'm still seeing a lot of Liberties on the road in our somewhat rural area but not a single one that I've seen to date has had a "convertible" roof of any kind. To be honest, until I saw this video, I did not know such an option, if that was what it was, had ever existed. 4X4 Liberties don't last long on used car lots in this area as they get snapped up by folks wanting a smallish, hard top, four door 4X4 for use as hunting/fishing/and beater vehicles that they can drive on the highway but not have to worry about scratching the paint or dents for that matter, resulting from driving through the briars and brambles.
I have an r50 mini with the Cvt. I am at 198k miles. Still works but it’s starting to feel rough. I drive it to work every day but I’m waiting for the transmission to give out soon. Also the headlight bulbs burn out all the time since they are on the hood like that.
11:27 The headlights go up with the hood. That’s something I like about these first gen Minis. This isn’t legal anymore so it makes these vehicles unique.
Hey Tommy, @ 2:54, you mentioned that the Liberty is a "body on frame". I am pretty sure that both the KJ and KK version were unibody (like the Cherokee it replaced in the early 2000s).
I thought that's what he said, and figured the same thing. I'm glad I'm not the only one.
@20:50... All of those lost communication codes are from a dead battery. I'd bet at least 90% of those code won't come back if the battery is replaced and the codes are cleared.
Please!!!! I Love the KK, Take one to the Trails and show how much capable are those!
With a 2,5" lift it is a rugged Bad A.. Jeep!
Has a lot of torque and has a real low range transfer case!
The smaller Cherokee/ Liberty has always been unibody.
It’s a unibody. It’s a small CUV, about the size of a Corolla Cross. He is wrong calling it a large SUV and body on frame. It looks bigger than it is because of the high ride height.
The second generation liberty is, unique as far as I know insofar as consumer reports said it was quite a bit inferior to the previous version. Way to go Chrysler.
That is a byproduct of the DaimlerChrysler days quality took a backseat because of the budget cuts from the bean counters in Germany.
Ive had both versions and i know for sure the second generation is superior. More dependable way better ride, and with brake traction control a better stock 4 wheeler.
the first gen libertys had more room and the seats were softer and I never seen a low mileage liberty in the first gen my shop. always gets them with 200,000+ miles still running
@@adamogden5212 nope not true, first gens where definitely smaller in and out, first gen rode like a bucking horse and had rust issues with the doors, ask me how i know.
I own a 04 Sport and a 12 Jet and I like my 04 much better, I'm a big guy and I fit better in the 04, I like the looks of the 02-06 Liberty also, they both are stiff riding although I did redo the 04 and it's a little softer now.
My husband's daughter has a 2011 Jeep Liberty without the roof slider still running. I was offered a Jeep Liberty at a used auto dealer that bought from auctions but I went for a 2012 Nissan ProX 4 which my hubby loves.
my best friend bought one of these with a working sky slider a few years ago. even after I warned her about the sky slider issue she still bought it. sure enough after about a week of ownership it broke in a partially open position. can't be moved. and she now has it duct taped down and it still leaks. Stay far away from these sky sliders.
I’m sure other viewers were the same but I personally thought the RR was a no sale. When I heard 12k and 7k guesses I thought both of youse were nuts. 1k would be too much. Probably 10k to sort everything then sells for maybe 9k. It’s destination is the scrap yard.
2:50 Those fault codes could all be related to a low battery. Land rovers are notorious for throwing out imaginary faults when the battery is low.
have had 2 liberty’s, first one had the ss roof, current one doesn’t, for obvious reasons lol. great truck, tight foot space and it’s cramped if you’re 5 foot 7+ (6 foot and it’s a squeeze), but it’s quick for what it is (a 4,300 lbs 210hp truck), eats snow in 2wd (with good tires) with 4wd for the tricky bits, and dependable. keep it happy maintain it, change it’s oil, give it good gas, and treat it right, and it’ll go happily over 150,000+
The liberty’s have problems braking lower ball joints there’s a recall for them my cousin had one brake while going 70 and it almost killed him, they leak water into the lower ball joint and would seize up and twist off
We had a completely upgraded and spec'd out 2006 Cooper S, with auto - wife's car. That thing was so much fun! The supercharger whine was also really cool to hear.
Finally a video that informs the consumer. Instead of just promoting the auto industry.
Love this series, thank you!
The biggest flaw on the Jeep is that the oil pan gasket goes bad and to install a new you you have to remove the engine or the subframe
I remember shopping for one of these (used). I wouldn't have touched a sky rider model, although I remember not being able to find one either.
Remember when Roman was bragging that Land Rover was the ultimate luxury SUV when they bought the new Defender…LMFAO!
Then they went through 3 of them because various things broke…LMFAO!
I wonder if he still thinks that…
Clearly wholesalers haven't gotten the memo that no-sales at auctions are reaching new highs.
R50/R53 mini is a Chrysler engine (tritec range used in the Dodge Neon etc) chaps, how you not know that...the mk2 R56 had the bmw/psa Prince engine.
Engines are fairly robust. Just like leaking oil. Crankcase oring, sump gasket (pain in the arse to change) rocker gasket, all leak.
I love how the thing to the look out for in the liberty is that. They all don’t have that. But you know what they all do have garbage engines and trannys. The ones up here in the salt belt end up rotting in front of the rear lower control arm. Then the whole control arm rips off the body. 😂😂😂
The Range Rover looks like the air suspension lifted itself up after the acceleration run. 🤣
I had a 1st gen Liberty KJ and I will say that they aren't slow. If you start from a stop and load the torque converter they have quite a bit of pep
TFL off road should do a series on the Liberty. Both Gens
I have a feeling a slight lift and some all terrain tires would make them into beasts, especially if they're 2006 or newer model years, as those had ABS anti-slip control.
@@directorjustin I'm fairly sure my 2005 had ABS as well...
@@AndrewAMartin my 03 has traction control.
Fun series! Looking forward to more.
Great videos I love this type of information
Need to add all GM vehicles with the 3.6L V6
Uh oh, too late for me. 2009 CTS.
Had one of those, the sunroof would break and cost you about $3k. NObody would fix them. Had to replace the whole thing.
Some details Tommy got wrong: 2011 Liberty was not available with a manual transmission and is not body on frame.
3:24 I did not know that these Liberties are so bad ass.
I can’t help it!!!! You missed one! I had a 2012 Jeep Patriot off road, trail rated model. I bought it to take on deer hunting trips. It excelled due to its small footprint off-road until I discovered its fatal flaw, highway performance. Because it was geared for off-road use it ran absurd RPMs on the highways. Not only did it get horrible mileage one summer I took it on a road trip to the Texas coast. 7 hours at 70+ mph in 100 degree heat and the vehicle went into limp mode. Why? The factory transmission cooler is to small to effectively cool the transmission over 70 mph. In 2012 that was the speed limit in most of the nation. In Texas we now have speed limits as high as 85. Chrysler refused to discuss this design flaw. A custom cooler was available aftermarket but it would void the warranty. Big flaw, so good off road, so bad getting there!
Fatal flaws in a Mini, let me count the ways. My buddy had a first generation and dumped it at 38,000 miles after the complete rear suspension had to be replaced.
very cool series guys! Nice job
I wonder how many times those no-sale and no-bid vehicles get relisted before the seller finally drops the reserve to get rid of it.
Does the auction charge a storage fee, or is storage free as long as you pay to relist it again?
How much does it cost to list every time? It can’t be just a cut/commission, or the no-sales would cause sellers to use inflated reserve prices at no risk.
Every auction is different but this one lets you run it three times before you start to see fees from a no-sale.
why are these series so gratifying to watch?
I have never seen one of those Jeep Libertys before, I thought it was a Commander from the headlights
Actually… not body on frame. Un like XJ Cherokee
One of my buddies in high school had a liberty like that that literally got totaled from that roof mechanism breaking
I have an 08' KK sport w/155k,I drive about 80 miles round trip a day mostly all highway n get around 20mpg. Bad heater core placement but a good runner. Not a skyrider...could use a little more interior room tho.
My '05 got into the low 20's on the highway, but was really disappointing around town, about 12-14 mpg IIRC. Part of that was my short, 5 miles or less commute - it was barely warmed up by the time I got to work. I also thought the old 4speed auto held it back, more gears better matched to the engine would have been more efficient.
I’ve got a 2012 liberty and I love it and the design has aged well. I’ve got 120000 and no problems
1st gen was a Chrysler 4cyl 2nd gen (07 and up) was a Peugeot motor. I owned a 2nd gen manual transmission non turbo it was still pretty unreliable but I dodged the transmission and turbo grenades haha.
On the Jeep I said $7500..Here in FL they are NOT valuable! So $8250 I guess I was close? I even think that is too much for those things..Here in Fl they are not favored at all!! They are considered a Neon level suv haha